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ZippyDSMlee
09-23-2007, 07:33 PM
I am as much as a left as you can get I guess
I believe prostitution should be legal and regulated same for drugs, hell the war on drugs needs to be redirected to a war on poverty and healthcare we can take some stress off the lower end the need for drugs will lessen and if we regulate and not ban it we will remove money from the cartels and underground organizations.

Back to health care the best thing we can do is go after the insurance system they are getting a free ride and making money off people and then claiming they can't cover them when people need it the insurance and paramedical company's are the reason why healthcare has not changed in America, dont get me wrong I see the trouble with universal healthcare and think a better route would be to rain in the insurance company's and make them offer low end coverage make them offer better rates so states can buy slots to give to the needy and/or sale at even lower rates, efficacy in government also needs to happen to make it work also by raining in the drug makers and getting them to give the government and states better cheaper generics, the government has buying power why cant it put it to use for the people.

To me a smaller government(and yes you can have a small government that regulates big biz and other things its all about how you go about it, one can regulatue not with fines and pentailies but with support and government money take away corporate welfare and big biz will shape up just a bit,add a bit of regulation and you have a healthy goverment and corporate machine) keep the corporations at arm length to ensure they are not harming the public or profiteering off them either, making sure the middle class is protected at both ends and helping the states deal with the poor as well as running the country normally ,there is a balance to things and if you give in to any one like the government is now then we are setting ourselfs up for failure in time, it seems the government and even politician's have forgotten the middle class makes this country the poor can be dealt with after the middle class because no middle class means no taxes no taxes mean no money no moeny everyone is in the poor house (as the US we should take care of the poor but only at the cost of the rich not the middle class persay), speaking of which the rich need to be paying more in taxes or at least no less than the middle class .

The 2 party system is broken IMO,The dems are a bunch of rich kids who can't wash their own rears the reps are a bunch of old guys who get off playing "master" in authoritarian roles over the people the alt parties are shadows of the "neo parties" they rail against, what can happen to help make this country a better place would a multi party system help any?

I mean what would happen if a 3rd party got into the white house would it be forgotten in 5 years, we need more than the new age hosepocky politics we have today.

Really what has happened that we cant have normal people in high office jsut mostly rich people who know how to talk out both sides their arse........

BTW if I am confusing its ok I am confusing :P
LOL

This is me first post mod me kindly :P

torchbearer
09-23-2007, 07:38 PM
Welcome to the forums...

ZippyDSMlee
09-23-2007, 07:45 PM
Welcome to the forums...

and there was much rejoicing :P

but really Ron Paul is my fav so far and I doubt anyone better will show up, its a shame politics is a game for snakes and not simi normal people 0-o

Altho Ron and Obama are probably the most "normal" of the lot, Edwards is not to bad but really in the end its choosing the lesser of evils as always ><

bbachtung
09-23-2007, 07:45 PM
Welcome. All freedom lovers are welcome here. You and I likely disagree on a lot, but I hope that we both agree that Ron Paul is the best hope for this country in generations.

As for the health insurance issue, I would suggest reading Ron Paul's criticism of federal regulation and corporatism in the industry here (http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/document.php?id=760). A pretty good paragraph is:



No one can take a back seat to me regarding the disdain I hold for the HMO's role in managed care. This entire unnecessary level of corporatism that rakes off profits and undermines care is a creature of government interference in health care. These non-market institutions and government could have only gained control over medical care through a collusion of organized medicine, politicians, and the HMO profiteers in an effort to provide universal health care. No one suggests that we should have universal food, housing, TV, computer and automobile programs; and yet, many of the poor to much better getting these services through the marketplace as prices are driven down through competition.


As far as getting rid of corporate welfare, Ron Paul is your ideal candidate, and protecting the middle class and the poor are the key reason behind his support for real money (a return to the gold standard) to keep the market-manipulating Federal Reserve from continuing to devalue our money to the detriment of all but the richest and most well-connected.

Here's an example of Ron Paul's advocacy of sound money and why it will help the poor and middle class:



I share the concern for the inequality that has developed in our country. I think it's very real. I think it's a source of great resentment. And, unfortunately, I think it's one of those things that puts a lot of pressure on the Congress to increase the amount of government programs and government spending, which I do not think is the answer.

I believe the inequality comes specifically from the type of currency we have. When there is a deliberate debasement of a currency, it is predictable that the middle class is injured, the poor are hurt, and there's a transfer of wealth to the wealthy.

And until we understand that, I do not believe we can solve this problem. And if we resort to continued monetary inflation and more government programs, we will only make this inequality worse.

This is exactly opposite of what happens when you have a sound currency and free markets, because it is the sound currency and free markets which creates the middle class and creates prosperity and allows the best distribution of this wealth.

http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/document.php?id=918

If you like Ron Paul and want to help him out, give whatever you can to the campaign ASAP (the 3rd Quarter for FEC reporting ends on 9/30). Even $20 will go a long way in getting RP's message out and pushing up his fundraising numbers (which, unfortunately, equal credibility to many in the media).

To give, go to https://www.ronpaul2008.com/donate/?c=1787

RP4ME
09-23-2007, 07:47 PM
Hi supporter of legalized prostitution - may you find comfort here in the arms of Born Again Christains, catholics, liberals, libertarians , hard core conservatives, anarchists and I think atleast one satanist....

Welcome!

pcosmar
09-23-2007, 07:55 PM
We are a diverse bunch, united by a love of Liberty.
Please don't confuse Ron Paul with the other politicians. After meeting him in person and hearing him first hand, he is truly different. He is a real nice guy.

constituent
09-23-2007, 07:57 PM
welcome... you should fit right in (beware the fascists).

RP4ME
09-23-2007, 07:59 PM
welcome... you should fit right in (beware the fascists).

Where are their fascists here - i havent met one yet.......Bring em on! Fascists here are friendly and take on a diffrent connotation outside thsi forum = Hitler

G-khan
09-23-2007, 08:01 PM
and there was much rejoicing :P

but really Ron Paul is my fav so far and I doubt anyone better will show up, its a shame politics is a game for snakes and not simi normal people 0-o

Altho Ron and Obama are probably the most "normal" of the lot, Edwards is not to bad but really in the end its choosing the lesser of evils as always ><

Welcome to the forum..

I like Ron Paul and do not see him as evil but more like a mongoose in a pit of cobras.......

lucius
09-23-2007, 08:03 PM
Cool...join the tribe...welcome!

Tin_Foil_Hat
09-23-2007, 08:17 PM
Welcome, I guess. Sounds like you are a fan of regulating everything so I'm not sure I understand why RP appeals to you.

I'm glad you broke up those run-on sentences with a paragraph space every few lines. Kept me from falling asleep. :p

That gets you two rotten tomatoes instead of three. ;)

Corydoras
09-23-2007, 08:20 PM
Welcome.
For whatever reasons you're backing Ron Paul!

ZippyDSMlee
09-23-2007, 08:32 PM
Hi supporter of legalized prostitution - may you find comfort here in the arms of Born Again Christains, catholics, liberals, libertarians , hard core conservatives, anarchists and I think atleast one satanist....

Welcome!

Hey human sins should be taxed regulated and kept in the light to be ridiculed and ignored, by banning it you make it more than what it is and help underground originations at the same time while I understand it will always be frowned on by logic thumping conservatives its still one more thign to fix when ever everything gets fixed :P

Either you ban it and regulate the ban of it or you welcome it tax it while you police it, either way millions are spent on it and probistion is more costly in the end once you add up the non taxed illicit funds ontop of the money spent to fight it.


bbachtung
Hey no candidate is perfect for most individuals, Ron paul wants states to take charge of themselfs not be coddled by the fed thats a start another start is untangling the screwed up logic in current goverment.
From what I have seen theres only 2 ways to cover 80% of the population or more with healthcare universalized witch would be large cumbersome and costly in time,lives and money or reinvent how the insurance system works if people on minim wage can afford coverage and medicines that would instantly take care of half half of thos who are not covered right now the other half being the truly poor and I think buying power of states could help cover some of them, while I do not think we can cover100% we can at least try and cover as many as possible under the current system we can only cover what we can afford at jacked up rates.

The free market can only be free when there is no profiteering, remove greed(to a point) from it and it stabilizes into balanced capitalism, I understand that capitalism=greed but profiteering is boundless greed and that will only destroy us.


My point being regulation has its place to nudge corporate away from profiteering off the people there are plenty of profits to be made there is no need to go overboard with it, the same can be said for regulation if the fed would reinvent how cable/sat and communication worked they all could freely compete with each other if when the time comes only 1 or 2 reign then maybe the goverment can fund a 3rd alternative or state based something if its in the best interest of the people(say corporate censorship or other BS, HEIL to Fuax and the emmy BS), the goverment needs to keep tis distance from big biz at the same time prune and foster it some.

Hell its time to make a 4th branch of goverment which would cover regulation over business bear with the train of thought when you ban lobbying they would need a box to gripe on, while no money items or gifts are exchanged words and infermation are this 4th branch can take in that infermation sort it and deal with it, then again they way it would turn out is like home land security a mishmash of stuff...oh well its a good thing only some crazy ideas come to light :P

I guess my point is goverment needs overhauling and dropping of a lot of the redundant cogs and gears.


Dont get me wrong capitalism is more stable than socialism but can suffer from the same top heaviness it can suffer from, keeping the system running smooth and lite for the benefit of all within the country is not such a bad idea.

pcosmar
Ron is probably the best politician to run for any public high office in awhile, I only wish he'd win.

angelatc
09-23-2007, 08:37 PM
and there was much rejoicing :P



Do you mind if we call you Bruce?

Seriously - welcome. There's all kinds here. None of us agree on everything, but we all agree that Ron Paul is pretty much the only hope we have for real change.

Even if you're a "tax the rich and feed the poor" kind of guy, you have to admit that it's not working. 60 years after the New Deal, and the gap between rich and poor is only growing.

That's because of the fiat money system. Unless there's a fixed value, that whole RObin Hood-esque thing won't work.

bbachtung
09-23-2007, 08:38 PM
With your support (and that of all of the disenfranchised, disgusted populace), Ron Paul will win.

ZippyDSMlee
09-23-2007, 08:42 PM
Welcome, I guess. Sounds like you are a fan of regulating everything so I'm not sure I understand why RP appeals to you.

I'm glad you broke up those run-on sentences with a paragraph space every few lines. Kept me from falling asleep. :p

That gets you two rotten tomatoes instead of three. ;)

If you ban it you regulate it by default, regulation has a place ,we regulate driver IDs and other things, and regulation can mean merely suggesting a code of ethics(ESRB,MPAA) to pulling funds to verbly flogging whoever over whatever whatever,whatever entails losses and gains or the carrot and the stick analogy is basic regulation the question is dose the feds need to get into peoples homes and tell them what they can not do on a regular basis the answer is no thats for the states to decide :P
The same can be said for corporate regulation the states are generally closer to the people, if people complain in the form of a vote sht will fly and thigns will be done.

But really what I would like to see is some of the more dim fed laws shoot down and then have the states pick up the slack where needed and if the feds just have to make the states play fair(gays/abortion,ect) then so be it but I would rather let the states make the laws up as they go as long as they can insert some form of balance into it.

y 10:20 PM
Corydoras
corporations need a swift drop kick to the goinal area and there needs to be much more room between Fed and big biz them groping each other day after day in public is gettign sicking.

this would be reason 1,reason 2 would be reworkign the fed to work better for the people is number 2.

ZippyDSMlee
09-23-2007, 08:50 PM
Do you mind if we call you Bruce?

Seriously - welcome. There's all kinds here. None of us agree on everything, but we all agree that Ron Paul is pretty much the only hope we have for real change.

Even if you're a "tax the rich and feed the poor" kind of guy, you have to admit that it's not working. 60 years after the New Deal, and the gap between rich and poor is only growing.

That's because of the fiat money system. Unless there's a fixed value, that whole RObin Hood-esque thing won't work.

No zippy will suffice I have earned that nickname and rep that comes wif it :P
LOL

I am more tax the rich and feed the middle class kinda guy, altho I would not be hear without the "feed the poor mentally"(disabled on SSI) ,the trouble is with life there will always be poor and always be rich the in the middle not so much and the middle is what makes us US the middle is what stabilizes us,hell without the middle no one would take care of the poor,the FED and state need to feed the middle class and make a hobby out of saving the poor, the rich need to pull their own weight and since the pounds come with the moeny and land they have they will need to pay a bit more its only fair after all.

screw the left/right BS I want to see a working accountable balanced goverment with that most things will work them selfs out.

ZippyDSMlee
09-23-2007, 08:58 PM
With your support (and that of all of the disenfranchised, disgusted populace), Ron Paul will win.

Wont happen, sorry thats not how neo politics work you can not gain momentum on a flat surface, and that is where we are now, its goign to take at least half the population to wake up and realisize the the rich and elites run the country and the 2 parties are playing games with the populace to drag out their ownership of society, and yes I wear my tinfoil hat proud :P

But really its going to take 70%+ of the nation to be disenfranchised before any real change will happen and by then it might come down to revolution.
Hopefully I'll b dead long before things fall apart that much 0-o

inibo
09-23-2007, 09:14 PM
Hi supporter of legalized prostitution - may you find comfort here in the arms of Born Again Christains, catholics, liberals, libertarians , hard core conservatives, anarchists and I think atleast one satanist....

Welcome!


Let's not forget the apostate qabalists!

http://pics.livejournal.com/inibo/pic/00001a1z (http://openqbl.org)

fsk
09-23-2007, 10:38 PM
If you're totally disillusioned with government, you might consider "agorism". You can look on the Internet or read more on my blog.

ZippyDSMlee
09-23-2007, 10:47 PM
If you're totally disillusioned with government, you might consider "agorism". You can look on the Internet or read more on my blog.

disillusioned with current big goverment for big biz yes all governments or archetypes there of no.

I believe the goverment can work as long as limits are reasonable and big biz is kept at arms length but watched to ensure it dose not grow out of control, currently we have very little limits on goverment and big biz thus time,money and lives are wasted.

torchbearer
09-23-2007, 10:50 PM
I don't like rotten fruit, but i do like wine.... isn't wine really rotten fruit?

ZippyDSMlee
09-23-2007, 10:56 PM
I don't like rotten fruit, but i do like wine.... isn't wine really rotten fruit?

but the bottles hurt more 0_o



LOL

Marceline88
09-23-2007, 11:11 PM
Let's not forget the apostate qabalists!

http://pics.livejournal.com/inibo/pic/00001a1z (http://openqbl.org)

Wooohooo, let's hear it for all the Metaphysician Alchemists too!!! :) :) :)


Seriously. :)

inibo
09-23-2007, 11:28 PM
Wooohooo, let's hear it for all the Metaphysician Alchemists too!!! :) :) :)


Seriously. :)

But of course. After all "Love is the Law..."