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Cowlesy
06-26-2009, 02:43 PM
That's right, we are hearing 210 - 210 with 14 undecided. Keep calling the swtichboard 202-224-3121 and emailing through here to ensure your message gets heard!

Remember: Over the 2012-2035 timeline, job losses average over 1.1 million. By 2035, a projected 2.5 million jobs are lost below the baseline (without a cap and trade bill). Particularly hit hard are sectors of the economy that are very energy-intensive: Manufacturers, farmers, construction, machinery, electrical equipment and appliances, transportation, textiles, paper products, chemicals, plastics and rubbers, and retail trade would face staggering employment losses as a result of Waxman-Markey.


From ATR's site:
This would be funny if it wasn't so sad:
Congressional leaders are hell-bent to pass the cap-and-trade bill today - regardless of whether members had an opportunity to read the final. Reps. Barton and Gohmert are taking on the Acting Speaker with parliamentary inquiries on whether there actually is a complete copy of the FINAL bill in the House of Representatives.

Transcribing parts of the debate (we'll post the transcript later):

Rep. Louis Gohmert on extra 300 pgs: "Where is a physical copy I can get, read, and look at?"
Acting speaker: "The Chair's not responsible for disseminating those copies...The gentleman has not made a parl. inquiry I can answer."

Barton: "I have another inquiry...is there a rule that requires a copy of the legislation be present in the body?" Chair: "I am not aware of such a rule."

A few minutes later the Acting Speaker claimed the final copy was:

"at the desk, where it's supposed to be."

It is still, however, as the Acting Speaker admits, missing the additional 300 pages that were just added. That is, the clerk is inserting the pages right now.

So really, there is NO final bill.

What a travesty! Welcome to Speaker Pelosi's new era of honest, open, and transparent government. (http://www.atr.org)

Lord Xar
06-26-2009, 02:48 PM
I think it might be more effective to hammer the 14 undecided.

Is there a listing of these?

FrankRep
06-26-2009, 02:52 PM
I think it might be more effective to hammer the 14 undecided.

Is there a listing of these?

True

Cowlesy
06-26-2009, 03:05 PM
Republican List (Unlisted are solid no)

Solid Yes
Bono, Mary California
Ehlers, Vernon Michigan

Lean Yes
Castle, Michael Delaware
Lance, Leonard New Jersey
Lobiondo, Frank New Jersey
McHugh, John New York
Reichert, Dave Washington
Smith, Chris New Jersey

Undecided
Deal, Nathan Georgia
Kirk, Mark Illinois
Petri, Thomas Wisconsin

Lean No
Frelinghuysen, Rod New Jersey
Gerlach, Jim Pennsylvania
Democratic List (Unlisted are solid yes)

Lean No
Boswell, Leonard Iowa
Etheridge, Bob North Carolina
Foster, Bill Illinois
Halvorson, Debbie Illinois
Hinojosa, Ruben Texas
Kaptur, Marcy Ohio
Marshall, Jim Georgia
Salazar, John Colorado
Thompson, Bennie Mississippi

Undecided
Arcuri, Michael New York
Boccieri, John Ohio
Brown, Corrine Florida
Carney, Chris Pennsylvania
Dicks, Norm Washington
Donnelly, Joe Indiana
Green, Al Texas
Kind, Ronald Wisconsin
Kirkpatrick, Ann Arizona
Ortiz, Solomon Texas
Space, Zach Ohio (voted yes in committee)
Teague, Harry New Mexico
Tonko, Paul New York

Lean Yes
Abercrombie, Neil Hawaii
Adler, John New Jersey
Baca, Joe California
Bean, Melissa Illinois
Bishop, Sanford Georgia
Cardoza, Dennis California
Clay, William Missouri
Costa, Jim California
Driehaus, Steve Ohio
Fudge, Marcia Ohio
Grayson, Alan Florida
Himes, Jim Connecticut
Kagan, Steve Wisconsin
Kildee, Dale Michigan
Kosmas, Suzanne Florida
Kratovil, Frank Maryland
Maffei, Dan New York
Mary Jo Kilroy Ohio
McMahon, Michael New York
Meek, Kendrick Florida
Meeks, Gregory New York
Mitchell, Harry Arizona
Murphy, Scott New York
Nye, Glenn Virginia
Peters, Gary Michigan
Rodriguez, Ciro Texas
Shuler, Heath North Carolina
Skelton, Ike Missouri

Solid No - Call to confirm/thank/support!
Altmire, Jason Pennsylvania
Barrow, John Georgia
Berry, Marion Arkansas
Boren, Dan Oklahoma
Bright, Bobby Alabama
Childers, Travis Mississippi
Costello, Jerry Illinois
Cuellar, Henry Texas
Dahlkemper, Kathy Pennsylvania
Davis, Artur Alabama
Davis, Lincoln Tennessee
Defazio, Peter Oregon
Edwards, Chat Texas (No "in current form")
Ellsworth, Brad Indiana
Griffith, Parker Alabama
Herseth, Stephanie South Dakota
Holden, Tim Pennsylvania
Kissell, Larry North Carolina
Kucinich, Dennis Ohio
Matheson, Jim Utah
McIntyre, Mike North Carolina
Melancon, Charlie Louisiana
Minnick, Walt Idaho
Mollohan, Alan West Virginia
Pomeroy, Earl North Dakota
Rahall, Nick West Virginia
Ross, Mike Arkansas
Scott, David Georgia
Tanner, John Tennessee
Taylor, Gene Mississippi
Wilson, Charlie Ohio

If your Congressman is on an undecided or leaning list below PLEASE click here and enter your zip code to get your representative's number and talking points on this issue.

If you have new information please let me know at pkerpen at afphq.org.

Cowlesy
06-26-2009, 03:09 PM
http://www.afphq.org/062509-we-need-your-help-stop-cap-and-trade-energy-tax

Brett
06-26-2009, 03:10 PM
Kratovil, Frank Maryland

That one is mine. Been calling him all day, no answer, "no position", and now office closed. Consider him a vote yes.

Cowlesy
06-26-2009, 03:10 PM
Michele Bachmann on the floor right now "We either choose LIBERTY, or we choose TYRANNY" ---very interesting.

FrankRep
06-26-2009, 03:12 PM
Michele Bachmann on the floor right now "We either choose LIBERTY, or we choose TYRANNY" ---very interesting.

That was awesome.

http://www.c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN_wm.aspx

Cowlesy
06-26-2009, 03:12 PM
Kratovil, Frank Maryland

That one is mine. Been calling him all day, no answer, "no position", and now office closed. Consider him a vote yes.

Dang --- Try the switchboard at the Congress maybe?

Thanks for banging the phones for this.

Brassmouth
06-26-2009, 03:16 PM
Undecideds are most likely holding out for favors.

This will pass. This bill will accelerate the collapse of the American Empire.

HOLLYWOOD
06-26-2009, 03:20 PM
Steny Hoyer is at the plate... Are you listening to this BS? You voted for Obama... you vote Cap N Trade. Put a frigin sickle and hammer pin on his lapel... the party, the party, the party. Wrong on the energy prices... Ask Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan Chase, Merrill Lynch, Morgan Stanley.... et al.

FASCISM in all it's glory! CHANGE you can believe in!

Maybe Communism
http://media.moddb.com/images/members/1/302/301802/Hammer_Sickle_Avatar.png

Cowlesy
06-26-2009, 03:23 PM
Steny Hoyer is at the plate... Are you listening to this BS? You voted for Obama... you vote Cap N Trade. Put a frigin sickle and hammer pin on his lapel... the party, the party, the party. Wrong on the energy prices... Ask Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan Chase, Merrill Lynch, Morgan Stanley.... et al.

FASCISM in all it's glory! CHANGE you can believe in!

Maybe Communism
http://media.moddb.com/images/members/1/302/301802/Hammer_Sickle_Avatar.png

I can't stand listening to this asshole.

I can't stand listening to any of them!

Gage
06-26-2009, 03:24 PM
Finally Ellsworth got it right!

Any more updates?

purplechoe
06-26-2009, 03:26 PM
Called my congressman Kirk here in IL is still undediced but I gave his staffers a piece of my mind!

awake
06-26-2009, 03:26 PM
Propaganda- jobs, jobs, jobs...

awake
06-26-2009, 03:27 PM
Government can only create jobs by destroying others--- this bill will do it efficiently. Hoyer is a real ticket...

georgiaboy
06-26-2009, 03:29 PM
glad y'all are watching & posting tidbits - i can't stomach it this time around.

Cowlesy
06-26-2009, 03:30 PM
Just kicking up what is sent to me

Undecided Reps: Sheila Jackson Lee 202-225-3816 (D TX 18th) John Salazar 202-225-4761 (D CO 3rd) Collin Peterson 202-225-2165 (D MN 7th) Tim Holden 202-225-5546 (D PA 17th) Tim Walz 202-225-2472 (D MN 1st) Mike McIntyre 202-225-2731 (D NC 7th) David Scott 202-225-2939 (D GA 13th) Henry Cuellar 202-225-1640 (D TX 128th)

Objectivist
06-26-2009, 03:30 PM
Sam Farr is part of the Republic of Santa Cruz nutjob eco-wackos.

JK/SEA
06-26-2009, 03:32 PM
RICK LARSEN WILL BE VOTING YES. He also voted for the bail outs. This guy has got to go.

Lord Xar
06-26-2009, 03:35 PM
Did Ron Paul speak? And if so, any particulars?

awake
06-26-2009, 03:35 PM
This will be a fully government run market... which is not a market at all.

Paulitical Correctness
06-26-2009, 03:37 PM
Boehner speaking now.

FrankRep
06-26-2009, 03:41 PM
Boehner speaking now.

Good stuff.

Objectivist
06-26-2009, 03:45 PM
Good stuff.

Agreed.:cool:

Paulitical Correctness
06-26-2009, 03:48 PM
Snap!

malkusm
06-26-2009, 03:52 PM
Hahahahahahaha

Boehner is going to be talking a while guys, better get comfortable.

awake
06-26-2009, 03:56 PM
It will create jobs alright, every one a government bureaucrat or officer...

awake
06-26-2009, 04:06 PM
No one will buy or sell with out the mark (green stamp of course)...

Cowlesy
06-26-2009, 04:07 PM
Boehner's staff definitely did some Yeoman's work today since this 300 page amendment was uploaded at 3:09AM TODAY --- and he is ripping it to shreds.

Are you hearing some of these things? This bill will crush the economy. It is so insane, I don't think they could ever enforce all this shit.

Cowlesy
06-26-2009, 04:09 PM
Republicans who are considering a yes vote Bartlett (MD) Fax: (202) 225-2193 Castle (DE) Fax: (202) 225-2291 Dent (PA) Fax: (202) 226-0778 Ehlers (MI) Fax: (202) 225-5144 Frelinghuysen (NJ) Fax: (202) 225-3186 Gerlach (PA) Fax: (202) 225-8440 Inglis (SC) Fax: (202) 226-1177 Tim Johnson (IL) Fax: (202) 226-0791 Kirk (IL) Fax: (202) 225-0837 Lance (NJ) Fax: (202) 225-9460 LoBiondo (NJ) Fax: (202) 225-3318 Petri (WI) Fax: (202) 225-2356 Platts (PA) Fax: (202) 226-1000 Ros-Lehtinen (FL) Fax: (202) 225-5620
>> Karsten Friday, June 26, 2009 5:35 PM

sluggo
06-26-2009, 04:11 PM
Thanks for doing this, Cowlesy.

georgiaboy
06-26-2009, 04:16 PM
bleeping fake Republicans.

UnReconstructed
06-26-2009, 04:28 PM
That democrat in Alabama, Bobby Bright is mine. I've been trying all day to reach his office without success but I see that he is a solid NO so that is good. Something is messed up with his house website too.

Paulitical Correctness
06-26-2009, 04:32 PM
lolwaxman

Cowlesy
06-26-2009, 04:41 PM
This bill's passage would be absolutely devastating for freedom.

LibertyEagle
06-26-2009, 04:41 PM
That democrat in Alabama, Bobby Bright is mine. I've been trying all day to reach his office without success but I see that he is a solid NO so that is good. Something is messed up with his house website too.

If that happens again, call one of his local offices. They send your comments forward.

FrankRep
06-26-2009, 04:46 PM
lol waxman

LOL. He's so pathetic.

awake
06-26-2009, 04:54 PM
"...They (the government) want to substitute totalitarian government
control for the market economy. No longer should individuals
by their buying or abstention from buying determine what is to be
produced and in what quantity and quality. Henceforth the
government's unique plan alone should settle all these matters.
'Paternal' care of the 'Welfare State' will reduce all people to the
status of bonded workers bound to comply, without asking questions,
with the orders issued by the planning authority."

Mises - Socialism

LibertyEagle
06-26-2009, 04:54 PM
LOL. He's so pathetic.

He reminds me of that little rat that turns into a human, in Harry Potter.

Mandrik
06-26-2009, 04:56 PM
I faxed and called Todd Platts' office today and yesterday. I'm going to be seriously disappointed if he votes yes on this. He even has some local town hall meetings coming up next month. I may have to take off work, thank him for being one of the first to co-sponsors of HR1207, and then ask him WTF he was thinking.

Vote no, Platts!

FrankRep
06-26-2009, 04:57 PM
So the final vote will be around 8:00PM?

This is just an amendment vote right now.

Rangeley
06-26-2009, 04:59 PM
So the final vote will be around 8:00PM?

This is just an amendment vote right now.

It looks like this is the actual bill, at least how CSPAN is presenting it.

FrankRep
06-26-2009, 05:00 PM
It looks like this is the actual bill, at least how CSPAN is presenting it.

The Final vote will be 7:00 PM Eastern. They just broadcasted it.

Paulitical Correctness
06-26-2009, 05:01 PM
Final vote is now, 11 minutes left.

Rangeley
06-26-2009, 05:01 PM
The Final vote will be 7:00 PM Eastern. They just broadcasted it.
Yes, its happening right now.

reagle
06-26-2009, 05:02 PM
yea 193
nay 182

so far

go_carolina_528
06-26-2009, 05:02 PM
Final vote happening now.

Currently 185(Yeas)-177(Nays)

77 NV

With about 11 minutes left in the vote

FrankRep
06-26-2009, 05:03 PM
Yes, its happening right now.

I just noticed that. oops.

Yes: 201
No: 185

so far

Kludge
06-26-2009, 05:04 PM
Passed.

go_carolina_528
06-26-2009, 05:05 PM
6 Republicans voting Yea now. Traitors

IPSecure
06-26-2009, 05:06 PM
The government does not work, let's replace it...

Paulitical Correctness
06-26-2009, 05:06 PM
Passed.

yep. :(

Mandrik
06-26-2009, 05:07 PM
Yeah, that's GG.

FrankRep
06-26-2009, 05:07 PM
Passed.

32 more votes to go.

FrankRep
06-26-2009, 05:08 PM
Atlas Shrugged comes to mind.

reagle
06-26-2009, 05:08 PM
yea 209
nay 201

nv 24

go_carolina_528
06-26-2009, 05:08 PM
210- 201 with 23 not voting.

4 minutes left

Rangeley
06-26-2009, 05:09 PM
Yea's need just 7 more votes out of 23.

Cowlesy
06-26-2009, 05:11 PM
It's going to pass, I've already seen the backslapping and handshaking.

go_carolina_528
06-26-2009, 05:11 PM
216-203

15 nv

Bruno
06-26-2009, 05:12 PM
This tax will affect nearly everything produced.

Paulitical Correctness
06-26-2009, 05:12 PM
6 Republicans voting Yea now. Traitors

8 :mad:

FrankRep
06-26-2009, 05:12 PM
8 Republicans said yes? crap

Rangeley
06-26-2009, 05:13 PM
Its somewhat amazing that this bill would not have passed without those few Republicans.

AdamT
06-26-2009, 05:13 PM
It's over. It passed, along with a big chunk of our liberty. Traitors - like usual.

IPSecure
06-26-2009, 05:14 PM
And corrupt media to boot...

georgiaboy
06-26-2009, 05:17 PM
anyone else smell something burning?

time to take up fiddling.

malkusm
06-26-2009, 05:19 PM
We need to find out who the 8 Republicans were that voted Yea, and demand that they are removed from the party.

AdamT
06-26-2009, 05:21 PM
I don't think it'll pass the senate... I hope.

The Senate is an even greater den of traitors and sellouts than the House. It will be a war trying get them to vote no.

A war we intend to wage :)

FrankRep
06-26-2009, 05:21 PM
8 Republicans Voted YES on the Cap-and-Trade TAX Bill. If you live in their district, call them and give them hell!!

Liberty Rebellion
06-26-2009, 05:22 PM
Bullshit

Cowlesy
06-26-2009, 05:23 PM
This is NOT OVER. (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=197540)

Bryan
06-26-2009, 05:24 PM
We need to find out who the 8 Republicans were that voted Yea, and demand that they are removed from the party.

Bono Mack
Castle
Kirk
Lance
LoBiondo
McHugh
Reichert
Smith (NJ)

HOLLYWOOD
06-26-2009, 05:30 PM
8 Republicans Voted YES on the Cap-and-Trade TAX Bill. If you live in their district, call them and give them hell!!

3 No Votes for trillions to be spent?

Were they Dead? Yeah who were the 8 republicans... but if you watch the voting closely you see some change votes when they know the bill will pass.

Liberty Rebellion
06-27-2009, 12:35 AM
Can someone refresh my memory? I can't seem to remember which Article in the Constitution gives the federal government the authority to do anything that is in this bill.....


Oh that's right.... I'm supposed to be bound by contracts and laws, but when it comes to the Federal government, they can do whatever they want:rolleyes:

RP4EVER
06-27-2009, 12:53 AM
Up Up and to arms let no man forget today!

With that said..........the two Senators of my state (Webb and Warner) will in all likelyhood vote yes.....but Ill give em hell anyways.

damania
06-27-2009, 08:02 PM
Peter Schiff on Glenn Beck talking about Cap and Trade:
http://www.askbutwhy.com/2009/06/cap-and-trade-scam.html