USA: Land o’ the Free – Can you prove otherwise?

[JiMMy_247]

To celebrate the upcoming 4th of July, I started a series of posts over at my blog that examines the state of freedom in America. I was hoping that maybe some of you would have some quick facts that you thought would be applicable. I’m trying to keep it short and not too abrasive. It’s aimed at people who aren’t so well versed in the real political state of America.

So far, I’ve only posted the Intro (http://quixoticstudios.com/qxc/politics/usa-land-of-the-free-intro/) and the first topic: the State of Imprisonment (http://quixoticstudios.com/qxc/politics/usa-land-of-the-free-imprisonment/). I have a lot more I'm working on and will be posting soon, but I still thought that I could get some additional info here.

Thanks.

[JiMMy_247]

Wow, I can't believe that nobody here has anything to say on the topic of freedom. I thought for sure I might get some facts, statistics, etc out of this thread.

I just added the next post in the series. This time its about education (http://quixoticstudios.com/qxc/politics/usa-land-of-the-free-education/). Maybe that will help get the gears turning about the kind of stuff I'm looking for.

If not, then I guess I wont bump this again.

[Bman]

YouTube - ATF Agents Raiding Waco Compound (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmYe_lW7kRA)

[JiMMy_247]

Thanks, I hadn't considered Waco. I could see that being useful if I could explain it properly. (there's a lot of misconceptions about what went down there)

[Bman]

Thanks, I hadn't considered Waco. I could see that being useful if I could explain it properly. (there's a lot of misconceptions about what went down there)

There's some recorded phone calls made by people inside the building, to emergnecy services, during the raid. I wish I knew off hand where to link those for you. It's when I stopped calling the people in the WACO incident fringe christian nuts.

[disorderlyvision]

Here are a few ideas

Drug war:
http://i524.photobucket.com/albums/cc329/disorderlyvision/drugz.jpg

police:
http://i524.photobucket.com/albums/cc329/disorderlyvision/fattycop.jpg

Surveilance:
http://i524.photobucket.com/albums/cc329/disorderlyvision/camera_front.jpg

Obama:
http://i524.photobucket.com/albums/cc329/disorderlyvision/change-1.jpg

And it is for the 4th so dont for get the BBQ:

http://i524.photobucket.com/albums/cc329/disorderlyvision/ATT00000.jpg

AND THE pARTY:

http://i524.photobucket.com/albums/cc329/disorderlyvision/wtfimages.jpg

Protests:
http://i524.photobucket.com/albums/cc329/disorderlyvision/pyzamsignwars.jpg

[angelatc]

To celebrate the upcoming 4th of July, I started a series of posts over at my blog that examines the state of freedom in America. I was hoping that maybe some of you would have some quick facts that you thought would be applicable. I’m trying to keep it short and not too abrasive. It’s aimed at people who aren’t so well versed in the real political state of America.

So far, I’ve only posted the Intro (http://quixoticstudios.com/qxc/politics/usa-land-of-the-free-intro/) and the first topic: the State of Imprisonment (http://quixoticstudios.com/qxc/politics/usa-land-of-the-free-imprisonment/). I have a lot more I'm working on and will be posting soon, but I still thought that I could get some additional info here.

Thanks.

Think children and/or safety. Helmets, seatbelts, child protective services, air travel. Auto travel paperwork requirements, DUI and immigration checks.

[123tim]

Use my family as an example.

Turned in to child services because we didn't schedule an appointment for our newborn son three days after he was born. I'm still fighting it two months later and seem to be going nowhere using the route that I have chosen to follow. Time to deviate my from course.

In case you're wondering, there is no other reason for us being turned in. We simply and politely turned down an offer for an appointment with a doctors office (that we had no previous dealings with) mostly because we had our own doctor. We also had our own ideas of when we should take our son for in for a checkup (After two weeks in case you're interested).

This isn't a single, isolated incident.....Anyone can report anyone else to the Government (Child Services) for any reason, and without any accountability or factual basis to back up their claims. I'm sure that we're going to see more and more of this.

[123tim]

Think children and/or safety. Helmets, seatbelts, child protective services, air travel. Auto travel paperwork requirements, DUI and immigration checks.

Just saw yours after I posted mine. Spot on!

[JiMMy_247]

this is all good stuff...



Think children and/or safety. Helmets, seatbelts, child protective services, air travel. Auto travel paperwork requirements, DUI and immigration checks.

I can see a lot of this going under the topic of 'Movement' (I'm trying to break it up into as many topics as i can, within reason, so that I can keep the posts short )




Use my family as an example.

Turned in to child services because we didn't schedule an appointment for our newborn son three days after he was born...

this is perfect for the 'Family' freedom topic. I always prefer personal experience to statistics. So any info you want to send me on this would be great.

[lynnf]

To celebrate the upcoming 4th of July, I started a series of posts over at my blog that examines the state of freedom in America. I was hoping that maybe some of you would have some quick facts that you thought would be applicable. I’m trying to keep it short and not too abrasive. It’s aimed at people who aren’t so well versed in the real political state of America.

So far, I’ve only posted the Intro (http://quixoticstudios.com/qxc/politics/usa-land-of-the-free-intro/) and the first topic: the State of Imprisonment (http://quixoticstudios.com/qxc/politics/usa-land-of-the-free-imprisonment/). I have a lot more I'm working on and will be posting soon, but I still thought that I could get some additional info here.

Thanks.


now, the police taser (torture) you until you do what they want you to do

'nuff said.

lynn

[Andrew-Austin]

http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

U.S. NATIONAL DEBT CLOCK



The Outstanding Public Debt as of 30 Jun 2009 at 04:19:37 PM GMT is:
$ 1 1 , 3 7 6 , 3 9 3 , 5 7 3 , 5 7 3 . 4 8

The estimated population of the United States is 306,462,928
so each citizen's share of this debt is $37,121.60.

The National Debt has continued to increase an average of
$3.70 billion per day since September 28, 2007!

[JiMMy_247]

now, the police taser (torture) you until you do what they want you to do

yeah that's definitely a serious issue. I may end up taking excerpts from a previous blog post & video: The Largest Street Gang in America (http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendID=456210497) that is about that very issue.





http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

U.S. NATIONAL DEBT CLOCK

This is a big one. Thanks for the citation. It helps to put things into perspective.

[mczerone]

Thanks, I hadn't considered Waco. I could see that being useful if I could explain it properly. (there's a lot of misconceptions about what went down there)

If there's an ideological aversion to side with the Branch Davidians, don't forget Ruby Ridge and Rainbow Farms. Hell, even Raich and the other medical coop raids in California

People that just wanted to insure their own lives while dissenting from Federal control are consistently and systematically raided and/or killed by Federal Agents with no provocation.

[slacker921]

Take a 15 minute slice of your day and try to write down everything about that 15mins that is regulated by Washington. Now write down what would happen to you if you violate any of those regulations or laws. You're on a short leash.

[evilfunnystuff]

I think this qualifies

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/06/04/MNJQ1807UK.DTL


Bureaucrat scuffs dream of homeless shoe shiner

He sleeps under a bridge, washes in a public bathroom and was panhandling for booze money 11 months ago, but now Larry Moore is the best-dressed shoeshine man in the city. When he gets up from his cardboard mattress, he puts on a coat and tie. It's a reminder of how he has turned things around.

In fact, until last week it looked like Moore was going to have saved enough money to rent a room and get off the street for the first time in six years. But then, in a breathtakingly clueless move, an official for the Department of Public Works told Moore that he has to fork over the money he saved for his first month's rent to purchase a $491 sidewalk vendor permit.

"I had $573 ready to go," Moore said, who needs $600 for the rent. "This tore that up. But I've been homeless for six years. Another six weeks isn't going to kill me."

The bureaucrat told Moore that she found out about his business after reading about his success in this paper.

Along Market Street, Moore's supporters are indignant. Nothing happens when mentally ill men wander the street talking to themselves and drunkards pee in the alleys. Yet Moore creates a little business out of thin air, builds up a client base, and the city takes nearly every penny he's earned.

Christine Falvey, spokeswoman for Public Works, said the department's contact with Moore was meant to be "educational."

"We certainly don't want to hamper anyone's ability to make a living," Falvey said. "Our education efforts are actually meant to support that effort by making our streets an enjoyable place for people to visit."

That is unlikely to mollify Moore's clients.

"Nothing like kicking someone when they are down," ranted attorney Loren Lopin, one of Moore's clients who donated $100 to help him get housing. "I am pissed."

Moore is nothing if not dutiful. He attempted to work his way through the byzantine city government channels, although he didn't get much help.

"I guess my gripe is that when the city came by and told him to get his papers in order but couldn't tell him how to do it," said Travis See, who manages the Custom Shop Clothiers on the corner of Market and New Montgomery. "This lady couldn't even tell him which building to go to so he could stand in line and waste all day."

When Moore found the permit application, he got a money order and headed down to the appropriate department to pay. But because he didn't have a valid ID card, they wouldn't take his money.

Could this be any more difficult? Moore doesn't want to get into city housing, preferring to make it on his own. But could you blame him if he gave up, kicked back and settled into a life of panhandling, subsidized housing and soup kitchen meals?

Luckily, Moore has quite a few fans. Lopin recruited a fellow attorney to donate to the first month's rent fund. She lets Moore keep his shoeshine stand in the store so he doesn't have to roll it up from the Bay Bridge exit ramp on Folsom where he sleeps.

Some of them remember Moore from the days when he was pushing a shopping cart down Market Street and holding the door open for customers at McDonald's on the chance they might hand him a quarter.

"As soon as I got that money I ran down and got a bottle," he said. "I took my alcoholism very seriously. I just got to thinking, why not take this seriously too? In 11 1/2 months, I haven't touched a drop."

He's turned into a bit of an institution at Market and New Montgomery. His regulars drop off shoes in the morning and pick them up when they leave the office. Guests at the Palace Hotel have become clients. See said Moore has become so popular that panhandlers swipe his brushes and polish because he's too much competition.

"He's the best thing to happen to this corner in a long time," said See. "It just seems like this process is turning out to be particularly uphill for him."

The only one who isn't furious about this is Moore. He insists that city functionaries are giving him a break because they are letting him continue to shine shoes while he waits for a copy of his birth certificate to be sent from Kansas. Once it arrives they will allow him to get an ID card and then hand over almost every cent he has.

What a deal.

"I'll do whatever they want," Moore said. "But I won't jump through no more of those $491 hoops. Those are getting expensive."

C.W. Nevius' column appears Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday. E-mail him at cwnevius@sfchronicle.com.

This article appeared on page A - 1 of the San Francisco Chronicle

[angelatc]

Here's one I just learned about: apparently your printer identifies the documents you print.

http://redstateeclectic.typepad.com/redstate_commentary/2009/06/connecting-the-dots.html

[angelatc]

Just saw yours after I posted mine. Spot on!

I think about your ordeal often. Gives me chills!

[Indy Vidual]

USA: Land o’ the Free – Can you prove otherwise?

1) Have you tried starting a business?
2) Homeschooling?
3) Do you know about Monsanto vs organic farming?
HR 875 The food police, criminalizing organic farming and the backyard gardener, and violation of the 10th amendment
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=12671

YouTube - Criminalize Organic Farming? EXCUSE ME?! BILLS: HR 875 and S 425 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epXNJNjYBvw)

4) All taxes combined take well over 50% of the average Americans' income.

5) Our major banks and financial giants are partly owned by the Feds.

6) Police are getting more aggressive

7) We invade and occupy countries who never attacked us.

8) The CIA runs secret prisons + people are tortured.

9) "Free Speech Zones"

10) ............do you need more?