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sevin
06-23-2009, 08:20 AM
Okay, they are trying to take guns away again, but this time the way they are doing it is very sneaky. Lautenberg has introduced a bill that would make it illegal for anyone on the government terror watch list to buy guns. While this bill may have good intentions, the problem is it gives government the power to ban anyone it feels like from owning guns, as now "right-wing extremists" are considered potential terrorists. In fact, technically this bill would enable the attorney general to put all of the people who voted against Obama on no-gun lists, because according to the DHS, they’re all potential terrorists. This list already has over a million people on it and it is growing by as many as 20,000 a month, although some believe the list is in the tens of millions.

But wait, there's more. The bill authorizes the Attorney General to revoke gun licenses and permits held by potential terrorists (terrorists being defined basically as, Anyone the government does not like). That means you! If they don't like you, or if they "suspect" you, they can revoke your gun license.

Here is a full analysis of HR 2159: http://republicbroadcasting.org/?p=1864

Check this out: http://blacklistednews.com/news-4575-0-15-15--.html

And here is the NY Times article: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/20/us/politics/20watch.html?_r=3&partner=rss&emc=rss

Here is the bill: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-2159

Here is a summary of the bill:


Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act of 2009 - Amends the federal criminal code to grant the Attorney General the authority to deny the transfer of firearms or the issuance of a federal firearms and explosives license to any individual if the Attorney General: (1) determines that such individual has been engaged in or has provided material support or resources for terrorist activities; and (2) has a reasonable belief that such individual may use a firearm or explosive in connection with terrorism. Allows any individual whose firearm or explosives license application has been been denied to bring legal action challenging the denial.
Prohibits the sale or distribution of firearms or explosives to any individual whom the Attorney General has determined to be engaged in terrorist activities.
Permits the Attorney General to withhold information in firearms and explosives license denial revocation suits if the Attorney General determines that the disclosure of such information would likely compromise national security.
Authorizes the Attorney General to revoke firearms and explosives licenses and permits held by individuals determined to be engaged in terrorism.

Do not just email your congressmen. Call them and fax them!!!

We are not far from seeing guns taken away from the majority of Americans. What happens when America is disarmed?


In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

http://www.oneumbrellaforliberty.com/blog/view/id_25/title_Why-gun-rights-are-so-important (http://www.oneumbrellaforliberty.com/blog/view/id_25/title_Why-gun-rights-are-so-important/)

When the government starts making lists with hundreds of thousands of people on them, lists of people to take guns away from, we have a serious problem.

Danke
06-23-2009, 08:32 AM
While it is important to keep this issue at the forefront, I wonder if the mods can combine the numerous threads? There are well over a dozen so far.

ex:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=196955&highlight=

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=191853&highlight=

sluggo
06-23-2009, 08:41 AM
I just called the NRA.

They don't have any information that confirms that Lautenberg is doing anything that hasn't already been done. It seems that this is all about HR 2159, which was already introduced by Rep. King and is currently sitting in subcommittee.

It almost sounds as if the NY Times revived an old story and attached Lautenberg's name to it, hoping to garner some public support for this confiscation scheme.

Good ol' NY Times.... :rolleyes:

In any case, the bill is REAL and the NRA rep I spoke with assured me that they will oppose it without question.

TCE
06-23-2009, 09:55 AM
Okay, they are trying to take guns away again, but this time the way they are doing it is very sneaky. Lautenberg has introduced a bill that would make it illegal for anyone on the government terror watch list to buy guns. While this bill may have good intentions, the problem is it gives government the power to ban anyone it feels like from owning guns, as now "right-wing extremists" are considered potential terrorists. In fact, technically this bill would enable the attorney general to put all of the people who voted against Obama on no-gun lists, because according to the DHS, they’re all potential terrorists. This list already has over a million people on it and it is growing by as many as 20,000 a month, although some believe the list is in the tens of millions.

But wait, there's more. The bill authorizes the Attorney General to revoke gun licenses and permits held by potential terrorists (terrorists being defined basically as, Anyone the government does not like). That means you! If they don't like you, or if they "suspect" you, they can revoke your gun license.

Here is a full analysis of HR 2159: http://republicbroadcasting.org/?p=1864

Check this out: http://blacklistednews.com/news-4575-0-15-15--.html

And here is the NY Times article: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/20/us/politics/20watch.html?_r=3&partner=rss&emc=rss

Here is the bill: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-2159

Here is a summary of the bill:



Do not just email your congressmen. Call them and fax them!!!

We are not far from seeing guns taken away from the majority of Americans. What happens when America is disarmed?



http://www.oneumbrellaforliberty.com/blog/view/id_25/title_Why-gun-rights-are-so-important (http://www.oneumbrellaforliberty.com/blog/view/id_25/title_Why-gun-rights-are-so-important/)

When the government starts making lists with hundreds of thousands of people on them, lists of people to take guns away from, we have a serious problem.

You left out a few notable ones, including Pol Pot and Cambodia. Your point was made, though.

sevin
06-23-2009, 09:57 AM
While it is important to keep this issue at the forefront, I wonder if the mods can combine the numerous threads? There are well over a dozen so far.

ex:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=196955&highlight=

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=191853&highlight=

Yes, I saw that first thread, but the title gave no information as to what it was about and as a result no one was clicking on it and it was getting buried.

This is too important to go unnoticed.

sevin
06-23-2009, 05:18 PM
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