Cash For Clunkers Passes

[angelatc]

4 GOP members voted for it. (bangs head....)

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h8vpy0qfEc_YKCM2t3_r25hmTxVgD98TB21G1

Paging Collins (ME), Cochran (MS), Bond (MO), and Voinovich (OH) to the tar-and feather office, please.

[Anti Federalist]

4 GOP members voted for it. (bangs head....)

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h8vpy0qfEc_YKCM2t3_r25hmTxVgD98TB21G1

Paging Collins (ME), Cochran (MS), Bond (MO), and Voinovich (OH) to the tar-and feather office, please.

Makes perfect sense.

"Buy" a couple of huge car companies, with extorted money, then pass a law that gives more money extorted from your fellow citizens (who are smart enough and handy enough to keep an old car going) as an "incentive" to buy new cars.

Watch what happens next, soon it will be illegal to own or operate an old vehicle.

Some states have already tried this.

[MelissaWV]

How much energy went into making the clunkers?

How much space is going to be taken up by them?

How many car dealerships are now going to have a huge inventory of big vehicles they can't sell?

How much pollution is going to be produced "scrapping" these things?

Is it all going to be worth it for everyone to get a few more mpg (which, by the way, doesn't always jive with what the vehicle actually gets)?

Way to go environmentalists... :(

[jkr]

retrofit them

[Anti Federalist]

retrofit them

Humbug.

Older engines and technology, when running correctly, generally yields better economy.

[disorderlyvision]

4 GOP members voted for it. (bangs head....)

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h8vpy0qfEc_YKCM2t3_r25hmTxVgD98TB21G1

Paging Collins (ME), Cochran (MS), Bond (MO), and Voinovich (OH) to the tar-and feather office, please.

fucking Bond... go figure:rolleyes:

[Ninja Homer]

After everybody trades in their old "clunkers" would be the perfect time for a nuclear EMP, wouldn't it?

[tangent4ronpaul]

Can anyone tell me what cars have the absolute worst gas mileage?

Can you only take advantage of this once, or trade in incrementally - clunker, to clunker...

just askin...

-t

[tron paul]

This a great opportunity to get back $4500 of the money that DC stole from you at IRS gunpoint.

Prices are about to explode from inflation. Interest rates are going to go berserk.

If you don't have reliable transportation with enough ground clearance to get out of Zombie Town, please go down to your Ford or Toyota dealer and buy a truck or SUV.

The Clunker program is only funded until Sept. Better Hurry!

Last chance. Final Warning. No rainchecks.

See ya'll deep in the mountains! Or in an urban FEMA camp. Whatever you want.

http://www.cashforclunkers.org/

[james1906]

This a great opportunity to get back $4500 of the money that DC stole from you at IRS gunpoint.


Unfortunately, your 'clunkers' must get 18 MPG or less. So if you were rich enough to afford a monolith SUV or truck, you get money at the expense of me. For I am a pissant with a Ranger and VW each with 150k+ miles.

[angelatc]

I predict that the bulk of the money will go into Japanese cars. Every socialist I know supports unions by driving imports.

[tron paul]

Unfortunately, your 'clunkers' must get 18 MPG or less. So if you were rich enough to afford a monolith SUV or truck, you get money at the expense of me. For I am a pissant with a Ranger and VW each with 150k+ miles.

What I said about inflation and interest rates applies to everyone, clunker or not. Replace that Ranger while you can get a loan with low interest. Inflation might wipe out most of the loan in a while.

I don't think owning a truck/SUV makes one rich. Even if it did, fine.

I'm no class warrior because I realize that, given our progressive tax slavery system, non-pissants pay much higher rates and amounts in taxes. Many medium and small business owners are double-taxed for going through the trouble of employing others.

Two wrongs don't make a right, so the only reasons I see to not want some Americans to get some of their wrongfully confiscated money back are misunderstanding or jealousy.

Of course we should all get our money back, but that would be making the perfect the enemy of the good. Incremental progress is OK. It's worked Satanic miracles for the Commies, after all.

[Objectivist]

Do the 2008 Chryslers and GMs qualify for this cash handout?

[mediahasyou]

in regards to co2, one clunker can produce more emissions than 99 regular cars.

then again, co2 is harmless.

[Objectivist]

in regards to co2, one clunker can produce more emissions than 99 regular cars.

then again, co2 is harmless.

But you have to figure the amount of time all clunkers are driven in total time. Reality is, newer out of tune automobiles create more carbon emissions.

[jim70769]

I just bought the wife a 2009 Nissan Armada. Sticker price was 47k. 12 miles city and 18 highway.Will they buy that from me and can I make a profit. Personally I dont care if gas is 7 dollars per gallon I need my suv

[angelatc]

Our cars are over 11 years old so we don't qualify for the full $4500, unless they changed it from the version I saw a couple of weeks ago.

Apparently they only want the nice clunkers.

[2orb]

then again, co2 is harmless.

It's plant food.

[slacker921]

HR-6441 got zero co-sponsors (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-6441).. if it had passed way back then it might have boosted car sales enough to prevent us from having to hand GM and Chrysler money for them to go through bankruptcy. Ah well.

[paulitics]

So the fine print says that these cars must be shredded, not just traded in? So tax dollars are being paid to destroy perfectly able cars, including the parts for an extra 2mpg? How idiotic, it's beyond belief.

[HOLLYWOOD]

So the fine print says that these cars must be shredded, not just traded in? So tax dollars are being paid to destroy perfectly able cars, including the parts for an extra 2mpg? How idiotic, it's beyond belief.


Strip the car before turning it in... sell the parts on EBay or Craigslist.

Done all the time with Mercedes and BMWs.

[akihabro]

If you car gets that horrible mileage you should keep it. It probably is a 4x4 or has an EMP proof carbureted engine. IF there is anymore restrictions on cars you'll see it in Kommiefornia first.

[Uriel999]

Oh man, this shit PISSES me off. Companies typically can buy clunkers for dirt cheap and get carbon credits for crushing them allowing them to belch out as much poison into the air as they want but me driving my 67 dart convertible on a sunny day is evil and my car must go.

[MelissaWV]

I predict that the bulk of the money will go into Japanese cars. Every socialist I know supports unions by driving imports.

I'm going to be buying an import next month. The new American-made cars that I've had in the past have been awful, with random electrical problems, brakes going bad far too early, etc. The imports I've previously owned ran great, were safe, and far better value.

I want bang for my buck, considering how little the Gov. lets me keep. I don't think it's a bad thing. It's all anecdotal, I know, but I am probably just getting a quiet little Civic (not the hybrid) for weekend trips.

Once I move out of cities and have a place to work on cars, then I'd consider getting a nice old American car.

[james1906]

What I said about inflation and interest rates applies to everyone, clunker or not. Replace that Ranger while you can get a loan with low interest. Inflation might wipe out most of the loan in a while.

I don't think owning a truck/SUV makes one rich. Even if it did, fine.

I'm no class warrior because I realize that, given our progressive tax slavery system, non-pissants pay much higher rates and amounts in taxes. Many medium and small business owners are double-taxed for going through the trouble of employing others.

Two wrongs don't make a right, so the only reasons I see to not want some Americans to get some of their wrongfully confiscated money back are misunderstanding or jealousy.

Of course we should all get our money back, but that would be making the perfect the enemy of the good. Incremental progress is OK. It's worked Satanic miracles for the Commies, after all.

Big SUVs tend to run $30K at the bare minimum. People who can afford that definitely do not need taxpayer subsidies.

I know this is a good time to buy a car, but I'm happy not having a car payment. I want to keep it that way for a while.

[Madcat455]

If you car gets that horrible mileage you should keep it. It probably is a 4x4 or has an EMP proof carbureted engine. IF there is anymore restrictions on cars you'll see it in Kommiefornia first.

There hasn't been an "EMP" proof engine made since 1974(that I know of). Just because you have a carburetor, doesn't mean that the EMP won't fry your electronic Ignition modules.

Only engines safe from EMP's are engines with NO electronics. Carburetors, and Point style Ignition systems only.

Just an FYI for ya, if you're preparing for that type of scenario.

[Madcat455]

FWIW.. I'm holding out for the new Chevy volt. I figure that's the way I'd want to go if I got a new car... get one that's totally different. And it makes sense since I've been seriously contemplating converting my Alero to electric.

All this BS passing congress... and by the time that car's released, they may actually be paying ME to get it...LOL.

*excuse me while I go to the corner and sob.....

[slacker921]

Oh man, this shit PISSES me off. ....

Did it piss you off when Ron Paul authored a similar bill (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-6441)?

[TGGRV]

Can anyone tell me what cars have the absolute worst gas mileage?

Can you only take advantage of this once, or trade in incrementally - clunker, to clunker...

just askin...

-t
My shit car has 31-32mph and it's not even a SUV. lmao. What's hilarious is that soon insurance and taxes on it will cost more than the whole frigging car.

[Ninja Homer]

I'm going to be buying an import next month. The new American-made cars that I've had in the past have been awful, with random electrical problems, brakes going bad far too early, etc. The imports I've previously owned ran great, were safe, and far better value.

I want bang for my buck, considering how little the Gov. lets me keep. I don't think it's a bad thing. It's all anecdotal, I know, but I am probably just getting a quiet little Civic (not the hybrid) for weekend trips.

Once I move out of cities and have a place to work on cars, then I'd consider getting a nice old American car.

American muscle cars pre-1974 are the way to go. As long as it doesn't get completely rusted out or crushed in an accident, pretty much anything on it can be rebuilt and brought to almost new condition. It's not even that hard to do compared to today's cars.

American muscle cars are also a really good investment. Baby boomers will be retiring for the next 20 years, many of them have a lot of wealth, and many of them want muscle cars as a way to relive their youth. Obviously, there's a limited supply of these cars, so they're only going to go up in value. For example, a friend of mine bought a '66 Shelby GT350H in 1999 for $35,000, and it's now worth over $185,000. When the economy turns around, it will be worth even more.

[MelissaWV]

American muscle cars pre-1974 are the way to go. As long as it doesn't get completely rusted out or crushed in an accident, pretty much anything on it can be rebuilt and brought to almost new condition. It's not even that hard to do compared to today's cars.

American muscle cars are also a really good investment. Baby boomers will be retiring for the next 20 years, many of them have a lot of wealth, and many of them want muscle cars as a way to relive their youth. Obviously, there's a limited supply of these cars, so they're only going to go up in value. For example, a friend of mine bought a '66 Shelby GT350H in 1999 for $35,000, and it's now worth over $185,000. When the economy turns around, it will be worth even more.

I am thinking along those lines, yes, and I am fairly handy at fixing up vehicles. Unfortunately, I am not in a situation currently where I would have access to a garage, where trees spew terrible pollen/leaves/branches, and where car accidents are an inevitability. That's why I'm waiting until I move :)

[angelatc]

American muscle cars are also a really good investment. Baby boomers will be retiring for the next 20 years, many of them have a lot of wealth, and many of them want muscle cars as a way to relive their youth. Obviously, there's a limited supply of these cars, so they're only going to go up in value. For example, a friend of mine bought a '66 Shelby GT350H in 1999 for $35,000, and it's now worth over $185,000. When the economy turns around, it will be worth even more.

I don't think we're talking about investments though. I think we're talking about transportation.

I don't see how driving a new car will save me any money. Insurance alone will eat up that $4500 in no time.

[Anti Federalist]

There hasn't been an "EMP" proof engine made since 1974(that I know of). Just because you have a carburetor, doesn't mean that the EMP won't fry your electronic Ignition modules.

Only engines safe from EMP's are engines with NO electronics. Carburetors, and Point style Ignition systems only.

Just an FYI for ya, if you're preparing for that type of scenario.

Yup, MC is right.

Or, if you have a "mid model", with everything except ignition being manual, you can "Faraday cage" the EIC modules.

On Ford Duraspark models, it's very easy to to do.

You can also go aftermarket with a self contained distributor/EIC control with an easy to replace chip.

That's what I did on my 4x4 F-150 when I swapped engines.

I have one of these running my 300 inline 6
http://www.performancedistributors.com/32820bk.jpg

I have a replacement module, shielded and stored safely within the truck, swaps out in five minutes.

As extra back up I also hold a point and breaker distributor, wire and coil set.

Keep in mind a good EMP pulse will fry all the rest of the electronics as well, gauges, battery, alternator diode packs, voltage regulators, controlled wipers and so on.

Got shielded spares for that as well.:D