Tea parties my ....

[Old Ducker]

Look at what REAL civil disobedience looks like:

YouTube - Iran: The Volcano Erupts (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3er0fleyg6A&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Erottengods%2Ecom%2F&feature=player_embedded)

In comparison, we aren't worthy to fetch their slippers.

[max]

Thats because in Iran the CIA is funding and organizing the mayhem.

Mobs never act spontaneously...there must always be funding , leaders, and agent provacatuers

[Old Ducker]

Thats because in Iran the CIA is funding and organizing the mayhem.

Mobs never act spontaneously...there must always be funding , leaders, and agent provacatuers


oh bullcrap. In Tehran 1 in 6 people in a city of 10 million are in the streets. There is no way the CIA could have that kind of influence.

[LATruth]

Thats because in Iran the CIA is funding and organizing the mayhem.

IMO the CIA is infiltrating and promoting nonviolent protest movements as well.

[paulim]

Look at what REAL civil disobedience looks like:

In comparison, we aren't worthy to fetch their slippers.

Can't you simply buy a ticket to teheran. Everyone would be better of. You would get the violence you need and RPF members wouldn't need to worry about their worth.

Edit: maybe we can start a chipin

[newbitech]

oh bullcrap. In Tehran 1 in 6 people in a city of 10 million are in the streets. There is no way the CIA could have that kind of influence.

have you ever been to a cattle farm? when I was a kid, about 10 maybe, I was out at a friends farm in Plant City FL. My friends mom was seeing the rancher and we went for the weekend.

So we go out to the pasture to find one of the old nags to ride. We were told not to spook the cattle. Well being the kids we were, we found this old betsy cow grazing next to the the old nag. Once we got up on the horse, we started yelling at the cow. The cow spooked and rumbled off. We didn't think anything of it until about 5 minutes later, an entire heard of cows, probably 50-60 cows came charging back our way.

The horse then got spooked and reared up. I ended up falling off in front of the stampede, but luckily I was close enough to the fence. My friend tho, lol he grabbed onto that horses next and held on as the horse took off running in front of the stampede.

Morale of the story? You only have to spook one cow to start a stampede in the entire heard.

[LATruth]

Can't you simply buy a ticket to teheran. Everyone would be better of. You would get the violence you need and RPF members wouldn't need to worry about their worth.

Nah, we would just organize "permitted" tea rallies and bring our boxes of tea back home with us after we're done cleaning up. We really know how to send a message here!

http://www.scenetorrents.org/pic/smilies/shutup2.gif

[LATruth]

Morale of the story? You only have to spook one cow to start a stampede in the entire heard.

One flaw in your analogy, our cows aren't drugged and brainwashed.

http://www.scenetorrents.org/pic/smilies/banana.gif

[max]

oh bullcrap. In Tehran 1 in 6 people in a city of 10 million are in the streets. There is no way the CIA could have that kind of influence.

Obviously not every protester is a CIA paid thug.....And what about the other 5 out of 6....They support the current president or really just dont care.

Most of the protesters are just sheep that voted for the other guy, and who came out of the woodwork after the real organizers started the fire with their bullshit claims of "voter fraud"....an alegation with absolutely no basis whatsover.

This "coup" in Iran is a dog and pony show....brought to you by the same government/media complex that brought us the McCain-Obama charade....the "Rose Revolution" in Georgia...."The Orange" revolution in Ukraine....the short lived coup against Venezuela....the 1954 coup that put the Shah in power....and on and on and on it goes...

I am ASTONISHED to see so many Ron Paul supporters - who ought to know better - accepting what the media says at face value...

[Young Paleocon]

Couldn't it be that there are a mass of unemployed youth that have been living under a dictatorship with massive inflation for 30 years? I mean hell L.A. rioted yesterday because of a Lakers game, I don't think it requires CIA ops every time something like this happens.

[Objectivist]

I didn't see any Christians In Action in that crowd, could someone point them out for me?

[roho76]

Why is everybody's signs in english?

[Spike]

I've gotta admit, I'm not so sure that the CIA hand is not in this. I remember watching The Revolution will be Not be Televised, about the CIA's role in overthrowing the Chavez government in Venezula, so it is very possible that the same type of thing is going on here.

But I'm still not ready to put money on that view. Even if Mousavi gets into power, the same theocratic rule is going to persist, and the military may still continue its civilian nuclear program.

Let's remember that American media propaganda have repeatedly said that Iran's nuclear program is for weapons, which some agencies, including American ones, have reported that is not true. Also, the same media has twisted Ahmadinejad's words about bombing Israel off the map, which again is not true. He was referring to the Zionist regime, and wiping it off the map of history, so to speak, not genocide.


So, even though I don't like to admit it, this uprising could lead to a civil war which will make the Iranian nation even more vulnerable if Israel and America strikes.

In my eyes, if this leads to a civil war and Israel strikes, then who are the real patriots and the traitors?

The situation is getting very murky. I finally have come around to Max's initial point. But I'm still cautious to believing it fully. Only time will tell.

[Steeleye]

I don't see why they're having such a bitchfest. The mullahs run the show in Iran, no matter who the people elect. Kinda like the Bilderberg Group with us.

[kahless]

oh bullcrap. In Tehran 1 in 6 people in a city of 10 million are in the streets. There is no way the CIA could have that kind of influence.

Yeah, there are getting to be way to many posts and threads with people obsessed with invoking the US government or the global elite as part of a conspiracy theory for every topic. It clearly does not apply here.

[Spike]

Yeah, there are getting to be way to many posts and threads with people obsessed with invoking the US government or the global elite as part of a conspiracy theory for every topic. It clearly does not apply here.

I initially thought that.

But I then took a step back, and realized that there are always larger forces at work when history takes place. Revolutions, and civil conflict don't just happen. Even the tea parties were backed by very powerful people, who had different motives then the vast majority of the people who participated in those rallies.

If you look at the history of the CIA, and if you look at American military corporations interests for war in Iran, and also Israeli' interests, you'll notice that these people often act covertly. Before attacking Iran, they would probably want to destabilize the country, and this current uprising in Iran may lead to a mini civil war. So the conditions are arising for the American and Isareli military to strike. This is just speculation, of course, but its always good to question the official version of events.

This isn't 'global elite conspiracy.' Documents by the RAND corporation have speculated that world war three could propel a new economy into being. And destabilizing and attacking Iran could surely bring about world war III.

[Sandra]

They're pissed because they think Ahmadinajad was actually born in Kenya.

[Dr.3D]

they're pissed because they think ahmadinajad was actually born in kenya.

rofl :d

[Indy Vidual]

Look at what REAL civil disobedience looks like...

No, you are incorrect. (EDIT: History has produced both violent and non-violent civil disobedience)

"Civil disobedience (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_disobedience) is the active refusal to obey certain laws, demands and commands of a government, or of an occupying power, without resorting to physical violence. It is one of the primary tactics of nonviolent resistance."

[LATruth]

No, you are incorrect.

"Civil disobedience (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_disobedience) is the active refusal to obey certain laws, demands and commands of a government, or of an occupying power, without resorting to physical violence. It is one of the primary tactics of nonviolent resistance."

That line was written by the CIA, stand down and take the blue pill.

[Indy Vidual]

^^^
Gandhi and Ron Paul both have used a peaceful interpretation of Thoreau’s original concept of Civil disobedience, which is not necessarily non-violent.

[LATruth]

^^^
Gandhi and Ron Paul both have used a peaceful interpretation of Thoreau’s original concept of Civil disobedience, which is not necessarily non-violent.

Gandhi was a tool for the Indian elite and squashed a true middleclass uprising for the people.

[Indy Vidual]

Gandhi was a tool for the Indian elite and squashed a true middleclass uprising for the people.

Oh....
Source?

[LATruth]

I have done a lot of research on revolutions and their history etc. One source info was:


Professor Brian Martin

photo of BrianBrian Martin is Professor of Social Sciences in the School of Social Sciences, Media and Communication at the University of Wollongong.

In a paper titled: CRITIQUE OF VIOLENT RATIONALES

A Review Article of Critique of Nonviolent Politics: From Mahatma Gandhi to the Anti-Nuclear Movement by Howard Ryan

http://www.uow.edu.au/arts/sts/bmartin/pubs/97BRpr.html


Mahatma Gandhi in India, who guided the people of India to independence from Britain. Despite the violence of the Partition of India following independence, and numerous revolutionary uprisings which were not under Gandhi's control, India's independence was achieved through legal processes after a period of national resistance rather than through a military revolution. Some argue that Gandhi's politics was biased, serving wealthy Indians at the expense of workers and peasants. Some argue that Gandhi called off actions when lower class uprisings seemed possible, thereby undermining revolutionary possibilities.

See thread http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=193707

[Indy Vidual]

OK, thanks for the interesting article.

[Pericles]

Nah, we would just organize "permitted" tea rallies and bring our boxes of tea back home with us after we're done cleaning up. We really know how to send a message here!

http://www.scenetorrents.org/pic/smilies/shutup2.gif

Best sign "Next Time, We're bringing our guns!"

[LATruth]

best sign "next time, we're bringing our guns!"

+ 1776

[Uriel999]

They're pissed because they think Ahmadinajad was actually born in Kenya.

I literally lol'd at that.

[TGGRV]

Couldn't it be that there are a mass of unemployed youth that have been living under a dictatorship with massive inflation for 30 years? I mean hell L.A. rioted yesterday because of a Lakers game, I don't think it requires CIA ops every time something like this happens.
The people living in Iran have all the rights in the world to riot.


In 1990 the students here had a two months anti-government protest. And it was similar to the US tea parties - they were singing anti-gov songs and gathering around. It turned into a bloodbath though when the president had the secret services infiltrate some stupid miners and bring them here. What's hilarious is that the people in the SS had different helmets, non-existent in the Romanian mines - it's hilarious that they managed to trash all the other parties offices, the houses of reporters who were in their favour and so on and yet some idiots claim that the stupid miners weren't controlled by the SS. And a month later I was born.
YouTube - Piata Universitatii 13-15 iunie [4] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28frNfd9VNU)
They talk in English at 2:08 and 4:18. What's hilarious is that no law was broken until the cops attacked the crowd. That was Romania's shot at freedom and getting rid of socialism. And my parents foolishly believed in it and stayed here when they had work visas for the US.
YouTube - Homage for the students from University Square, June 1990 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSAZvilm1bU)
The images with the huge crowds at around :48 are from 1989. This is how class warfare and civil unrest solved by the former looks like. It's hilarious that Obama called right wingers terrorists. Our president in 1990 called those who were against the government knaves. And everyone made badges on which knave was written on and wore them. It's sad that I would have been there if these things would have happened now. My grandfather made the first NGO in Romania and it was based on human rights and he called the PM and told him that he can be a liaison in between the protesters and the government(my grandfather was injured in 1989) and the PM told him that the situation is already fixed. The next day the miners were beating up people in Bucharest. Ha, I rambled a lot. :P

[Kraig]

Funny thing is whenever we DO see uprisings like this here in the US it probably will be the CIA behind it like it is in Iran. :eek:

[LATruth]

The people living in Iran have all the rights in the world to riot.

Actually they don't have the "right" to riot. They just do it.

Americans on the other hand have the right to "assemble", yet we apply for for government permission and more often than not do nothing but watch MSM and piss and moan on RPF about what would be a peaceful solution to highway robbery.

[LATruth]

Iran =

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/04/middle_east_the_iranian_revolution/img/1.jpg

America =

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_KgBT8kIRgBo/SXi4q4sSjjI/AAAAAAAAE2o/DF8aDuYrYJQ/s320/Elian+at+gunpoint.jpg

[revolutionisnow]

Thats why the US has XE/blackwater and devices like these
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4857417

http://media.npr.org/programs/day/features/2005/sep/audio/main.jpg