100,000+ protest Iran's election...This is HUGE!!!

[enjoiskaterguy]

I have been amazed at the amount of opposition from the people of Iran, saying there was vote fraud involved in their recent presidential election. People are even protesting in the USA today. Protests have lasted since Friday, June 12th, after the results were in.

Help me track this historic event to place. Post updates here. E-mail all the liberty-minded websites. This is huge.

here is a couple videos of the huge rallies and protests taking place.


15th June 2009 millions protest in iran against election fraud in Iran

YouTube - 15th June 2009 millions protest in iran against election fraud in Iran (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ey9Kgf-cB40)


Protest against fake elections TEHRAN IRAN 13 June 2009 17:45 PM

YouTube - Protest against fake elections TEHRAN IRAN 13 June 2009 17:45 PM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nifgnonH-BU&feature=related)



Riot in Tehran 13 june 2009 17:00 pm

YouTube - Riot in Tehran 13 june 2009 17:00 pm (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCiVx6sh6mA&feature=related)

Iranians protesting against election results 2009

YouTube - Iranians protesting against election results 2009 (3/4) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5w6rWdrPTbE&feature=related)

[ramallamamama]

I wonder how 2A would have helped the people in this situation...?

[Jordan]

I think we're seeing the beginning of a civilian led revolution. Lets just hope the US doesn't make it a priority to get involved.

[brandon]

ehh, it won't mean a damn thing.

1,000,000+ Americans protested the Iraq war. How did that turn out?

[Kade]

ehh, it won't mean a damn thing.

1,000,000+ Americans protested the Iraq war. How did that turn out?

http://sneakerboxx.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/barack-obama-is-superman.jpg

[Kade]

The last time Iranians protested in such large numbers, they got this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/06/Imam_Khomeini_in_Mehrabad.jpg

[ramallamamama]

I'm falling back for now. Without popular support I'll be a fish in a barrel. All my preps weren't for nothing.

I tend to think that the 3.4 million that never bothered with the process or to educate themselves about our country's fine beginnings will only get what they deserve. American Idol or freedom, they already made their choice.

If and when the chance arises to defend the republic I'll do so, in the meantime I'll be defending my own back 40.

[RedLightning]

This protest isn't going anywhere. Just a bunch of yelling and screaming...

[dannno]

http://sneakerboxx.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/barack-obama-is-superman.jpg

:rolleyes:


So how did that turn out??

[Feenix566]

This is huge! This is a very positive sign for the global liberty movement. The fact that a hundred thousand Iranians feel emboldened enough to openly defy their government should give us all hope. It may not change anything in the short term, but in the long term, this may be a sign of things to come.

[RonPaulR3VOLUTION]

:rolleyes:


So how did that turn out??

A lot of angry Democrats. I wonder if they should be labeled as extremists too. :D



1. If this happens, I am through with Obama.
No vote from me ever again and I will ACTIVELY campaign for someone else.




10. ditto on that! nt




111. F*** that piece of shit.
F*** all these Quisling Dems (and I include Obama in that assessment).
Not "Change I can believe it".
You can belittle it all you like but I am thoroughly sick of broken campaign promises and the cover up of prior crimes. They are complicit. So f*** them.




138. Amen.




158. he is as corrupt as all of them,
so he can go f*** himself.
your constant defense of the indefensible is a joke.




59. What a coincidence! That's just what Cheney wants.
Cheney: Death only option for some detainees if Gitmo closed
http://tinyurl.com/CheneyDeathOnlyDetaineeOption
I bet Bush feels the same way. Not that that would be a coincidence.


http://tinyurl.com/DemForumTortureCoverup

[Liberty Star]

ehh, it won't mean a damn thing.

1,000,000+ Americans protested the Iraq war. How did that turn out?


Good point, that resulted in increasing costs of Iraqi freedom war and economic collapse in US:


http://msnbcmedia2.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/060429/060429_protest_vmed_1p.widec.jpg



Thousands of anti-war protesters march in NYC

The demonstrators stretched for about 10 blocks as they headed down Broadway. Organizers said 300,000 people marched, though a police spokesman declined to give an estimate.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10704049/

[t0rnado]

Why are you all happy about this? Haven't any of you heard of Operation AJAX(No, this isn't some Alex Jones conspiracy bullshit)? Ron Paul had mentioned it several times in the debates. Back in 1953, the CIA sent Kermit Roosevelt to Iran in order to cause riots. He paid local groups and "activists" to go to the streets and start rioting. Then the homes of religious leaders were bombed and it was blamed on the elected president. That allowed for the installation of a pro-Western leader in Iran.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/latulippe/latulippe41.html
http://www.iranchamber.com/history/coup53/coup53p1.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/3/3/stephen_kinzer_on_the_us_iranian

[someperson]

t0rnado, I kind of had the same thought...

I hope these events were brought about by a genuinely displeased populace, but a part of me feels like it's 1953 all over again.

[constitutional]

Why are you all happy about this? Haven't any of you heard of Operation AJAX(No, this isn't some Alex Jones conspiracy bullshit)? Ron Paul had mentioned it several times in the debates. Back in 1953, the CIA sent Kermit Roosevelt to Iran in order to cause riots. He paid local groups and "activists" to go to the streets and start rioting. Then the homes of religious leaders were bombed and it was blamed on the elected president. That allowed for the installation of a pro-Western leader in Iran.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/latulippe/latulippe41.html
http://www.iranchamber.com/history/coup53/coup53p1.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/3/3/stephen_kinzer_on_the_us_iranian

That's exactly what runs through my mind.

Mousavi, the opposition candidate who is urging these protests is a reformist hoping to improve relationship with the western world. A perfect candidate for CIA to support.

Makes me want to throw up when some here call such protests as a liberty movement.

Think about, Mousavi has claimed victory and is urging protest and civil unrest. Correct me if I'm wrong, this sounds... well planned.

Hate to admit it, but I think the Iranian people have spoken here in favor of Ahmadinejad.

[LibertyEagle]

What am I missing here? Khameini runs everything anyway, doesn't he? Ahmandinejad is just the front man.

[Kade]

What am I missing here? Khameini runs everything anyway, doesn't he? Ahmandinejad is just the front man.

You are correct.

It was a protest the likes of which the world has never seen that put the first Ayatollah in charge... he is the Supreme Leader, they are a Theocracy, and the "Constitution" is a joke that allows the people to feel like they have any semblance of freedom...

People originally thought they were getting a "pro-freedom" government when they threw out the reformer Shah... even though he was a monarch, and a despot, he also was willing to allow woman to vote, full suffrage, religious freedoms, and most importantly, he did not believe in using Shari'a law for the country.

The revolution overthrow his regime... The Ayatollah came in, and his revolutionary guard took control of the media first, implemented Shari'a and killed or drove out any reformers against his position.

The country is out right fascist Theocracy.

[Old Ducker]

That's exactly what runs through my mind.

Mousavi, the opposition candidate who is urging these protests is a reformist hoping to improve relationship with the western world. A perfect candidate for CIA to support.

Makes me want to throw up when some here call such protests as a liberty movement.

Think about, Mousavi has claimed victory and is urging protest and civil unrest. Correct me if I'm wrong, this sounds... well planned.

Hate to admit it, but I think the Iranian people have spoken here in favor of Ahmadinejad.

I take the opposite view. It wouldn't surpise me in the least if the CIA assisted the Iranian regime to monkeywrench the elections in order to keep Ahmedinejad so the zionists and Neo-cons can have their war.

[someperson]

I take the opposite view. It wouldn't surpise me in the least if the CIA assisted the Iranian regime to monkeywrench the elections in order to keep Ahmedinejad so the zionists and Neo-cons can have their war.

Both perspectives are quite plausible; I hope for the sake of their populace, that these events have not been manipulated.

[Old Ducker]

It's very difficult to keep up to date on Iranian developments right now. All the blogs are down, and even the official news agency is unavailable (or perhaps overloaded).

Edit. Okay this isn't true. A few bloggers from inside Iran are still viewable, here's one:

http://www.rottengods.com/

here's another, not updated but a very brave iranian:

http://www.fireonquran.com/

[Reason]

lol this shit most likely CIA sponsored just like the last one was, I find it amusing that no one here is realizing this

[paulim]

lol this shit most likely CIA sponsored just like the last one was, I find it amusing that no one here is realizing this

I don't understand what the big deal is at all. I read through several iran-election-threads and... nothing usefull. Some emotions, many assumptions. A fraud is also not proven up to date. Its impossible and pointless to pick sides.

[constitutional]

lol this shit most likely CIA sponsored just like the last one was, I find it amusing that no one here is realizing this

Seriously, read all the posts in the thread before replying. I hate to open threads for new posts just to see posts like these.

[paulitics]

What am I missing here? Khameini runs everything anyway, doesn't he? Ahmandinejad is just the front man.

You are not missing anything, everything else is just speculation whether the CIA wants Ahmandinejad in or out. Our stated policy is to destabalize Iran economically and politically. This is all we know at this point. They could be playing both sides. What Khameini says and does at this point is key.

[Old Ducker]

You are not missing anything, everything else is just speculation whether the CIA wants Ahmandinejad in or out. Our stated policy is to destabalize Iran economically and politically. This is all we know at this point. They could be playing both sides. What Khameini says and does at this point is key.

What I am reading is that there is a division deep in the government. Ahmedinejad and Khamenei made a power grab against the "moderates" including Rafsanjani and Khatami. The old intelligensia has never accepted islamic rule, the moderates simply want the country to become more integrated with the world economy. The youth simply want to lead normal lives.

Islam is a blanket that has stifled a far older and richer Persian culture and tradition. There is a chance that a civil war will break out that will end up sweeping the entire Islamic regime aside. Let us hope they succeed.

[revolutionisnow]

I just turned on the tv and heard Brian Williams and some other guy explain why they think it was fraud: because the votes were on paper and they were counted so fast.

[paulim]

There is a chance that a civil war will break out that will end up sweeping the entire Islamic regime aside. Let us hope they succeed.
Thats none of your damned business. And if you pray for a violent revolution or a civil war you are additionally a damned asshole (thats an ad hominem)


Islam is a blanket that has stifled a far older and richer Persian culture and tradition.
that fits with christianity quite as well.

[dannno]

lol this shit most likely CIA sponsored just like the last one was, I find it amusing that no one here is realizing this

I was very skeptical from the beginning.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=196070

Any time a major world event occurs, the US media is almost always either:


A) Completely wrong

B) Missing a vital part of the story

[Old Ducker]

Thats none of your damned business. And if you pray for a violent revolution or a civil war you are additionally a damned asshole (thats an ad hominem)

that fits with christianity quite as well.

That's Mr. Damned Asshole to you, moron. What culture, outside of past imperialism, has christianity stifled? As for revolution, not only do I wish it on Iran, but here in the US as well.

[paulim]

That's Mr. Damned Asshole to you, moron. What culture, outside of past imperialism, has christianity stifled? As for revolution, not only do I wish it on Iran, but here in the US as well.

I don't want to convert this thread in a dialogue but one answer you'll get:
celtic culture
germanic culture

countless african, american, asian, pacific tribal cultures

[Eric Arthur Blair]

The election was not a fraud. Ahmadinejad won it and want you are seeing now is the face of cowardice and terror in the Iranian people particularly its youth who now know war with Israel and its proxy the US is a certainty.

[Old Ducker]

I don't want to convert this thread in a dialogue but one answer you'll get:
celtic culture
germanic culture

countless african, american, asian, pacific tribal cultures

I don't think you get it. Persia is home to the world's first monothestic faith and one that is still practiced, mostly discretely, in Iran. Christianity, as well Judaism and Islam, is built on it's foundation.

[Bodhi]

Wow, I skipped to the end of the thread, and it is way off topic. Can't say I'm surprised.

What I can say is, I'm glad to see people on the streets of Iran protesting. Americans should take a note of it. As in, get your ass out of the mall or wallmart and take it to the streets.

Oh well, they are all asleep anyway, most people reading this are probably awake.

[Indy4Chng]

Why are you all happy about this? Haven't any of you heard of Operation AJAX(No, this isn't some Alex Jones conspiracy bullshit)? Ron Paul had mentioned it several times in the debates. Back in 1953, the CIA sent Kermit Roosevelt to Iran in order to cause riots. He paid local groups and "activists" to go to the streets and start rioting. Then the homes of religious leaders were bombed and it was blamed on the elected president. That allowed for the installation of a pro-Western leader in Iran.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/latulippe/latulippe41.html
http://www.iranchamber.com/history/coup53/coup53p1.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/3/3/stephen_kinzer_on_the_us_iranian

So the people in Iran should "shut the hell up" when their government riggs the election? How can you be against this? You have no proof that is what caused this. What they are doing is fucked up. But as other posters have said pray to god we don't get involved.

[brandon]

We really have no clue if their was fraud or not. It really doesn't matter though. This election is just more proof for something that should be blatantly obvious by now:

Democracy is an utterly terrible form of government

Ever democratic election results with a significant portion of the population being disenfranchised and oppressed. "Democracy" is nothing but a politically correct buzzword that has been drilled into our minds in the attempt to give us the illusion of "having a voice."

[roho76]

I am confused about this whole thing and don't know what to think. If they get rid of Amadenajad then what boogie man will they have left but on the other side won't he be replaced by a US/CIA plant if they succeed in over throwing him?

[fr33domfightr]

I have some questions if anyone knows:

1) How did they count all the votes so fast? Do they use machines or count manually? Do they use exit polling??

2) Is the counting shown publically, with some observers, such that the people can see how the counts are being totalled?

3) Does anyone know how the ballots are marked? Is it shaded, or do they have punch cards, with "chads," like we had in Florida?


Thx,
FF

[puppetmaster]

You think we are not involved in this. How many signs do you see in english on your tele?

[TGGRV]

Thats none of your damned business. And if you pray for a violent revolution or a civil war you are additionally a damned asshole (thats an ad hominem)
I'll quote you if a civil war or revolution will happen in the US. It's none of your business that people want liberty.

I have some questions if anyone knows:

1) How did they count all the votes so fast? Do they use machines or count manually? Do they use exit polling??

2) Is the counting shown publically, with some observers, such that the people can see how the counts are being totalled?

3) Does anyone know how the ballots are marked? Is it shaded, or do they have punch cards, with "chads," like we had in Florida?


Thx,
FF
They count manually. Independent observers don't exist in Iran and in a lot of polling stations the opposition observers were denied entry in the polling stations.

I'm amused though by how naive you are. You really think elections fraud in countries like Iran happens by altering them all over the place? No, they usually centralize all the ballots somewhere devised on place of provenance. Like from the polling station X, you have the box Y. They just throw the box Y full of ballots and put the box Z filled with the ballots that they want and just forge the papers signed by the observers.

[fr33domfightr]

I'll quote you if a civil war or revolution will happen in the US. It's none of your business that people want liberty.

They count manually. Independent observers don't exist in Iran and in a lot of polling stations the opposition observers were denied entry in the polling stations.

I'm amused though by how naive you are. You really think elections fraud in countries like Iran happens by altering them all over the place? No, they usually centralize all the ballots somewhere devised on place of provenance. Like from the polling station X, you have the box Y. They just throw the box Y full of ballots and put the box Z filled with the ballots that they want and just forge the papers signed by the observers.


My questions were valid. I never stated how I thought a vote count might be manipulated. I was only asking questions. I was hoping for an answer from someone in Iran or someone very familiar with their process. If votes are actually thrown away, shouldn't they show up in the centralized location trash bins?? It's probably hard to hide millions of votes for any candidate.


FF

[Andrew Ryan]

Why are you all happy about this? Haven't any of you heard of Operation AJAX(No, this isn't some Alex Jones conspiracy bullshit)? Ron Paul had mentioned it several times in the debates. Back in 1953, the CIA sent Kermit Roosevelt to Iran in order to cause riots. He paid local groups and "activists" to go to the streets and start rioting. Then the homes of religious leaders were bombed and it was blamed on the elected president. That allowed for the installation of a pro-Western leader in Iran.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/latulippe/latulippe41.html
http://www.iranchamber.com/history/coup53/coup53p1.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/3/3/stephen_kinzer_on_the_us_iranian
What I was thinking as well.

[tpreitzel]

Interesting perspective on the Iranian election:

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/KF16Ak01.html