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johnwk
06-13-2009, 07:20 AM
SEE: Congress Sends Obama Bill to Regulate Tobacco (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2009/06/12/ST2009061202324.html)


By a 3 to 1 margin, the House of Representatives today approved a bill passed by the Senate yesterday that gives the federal government sweeping new powers to regulate tobacco.

President Obama hailed the bipartisan votes in Congress on the bill, which he said "truly defines change in Washington." He said he looks forward to signing it into law.

The problem with H.R. 1256: The Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-1256 ) is, Congress has not been granted a power to regulate the manufacture, marketing, and distribution of tobacco products, or any products, and, every Republican who voted in favor of the bill has participated in another assault upon our constitutionally limited system of government and sided with those in Washington who work feverishly, day and night, to create a federal government without defined and limited powers, and, they mock the very reason for which our Constitution’s Tenth Amendment was adopted!

Of course, we are led to believe by those who VOTED YEA (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2009-187) on the passage of the bill, that Congress’s power to regulate Commerce was intended to allow Congress to enter the states and regulate the manufacture, marketing, and distribution of tobacco products within the various states. But the historical evidence, during which time our Constitution was framed and ratified, establishes something far different regarding the power granted to Congress to regulate commerce. Let us look as some irrefutable facts.

A fundamental rule of constitutional law is, words contained in our Constitution carry the same meaning today as they did when the Constitution was framed and ratified. So, what was the meaning of “commerce” to those who framed and ratified our Constitution?

The historical record establishes that the word “commerce”, as our founding fathers used the word during the framing and ratification process of our Constitution was synonymous with “trade” ___ the exchange of goods between the states. ___ the transportation and exchange of goods between point A and point B, and/or, between the people of point A and point B.

The delegated power over commerce as intended by our founding fathers had absolutely nothing to do with a policing power over the manufacture, marketing, and distribution of goods, wares, or merchandise, nor a policing power over the cultivation of agricultural products or their use. As a mater of fact it is sheer insanity to even suggest the State Delegates to the Convention of 1787 which framed our Constitution, or the State Legislatures when ratifying the Constitution, intended by the power in question to be surrendering a policing power to Congress allowing Congress to henceforth enter the states to dictate the regulation of a state’s manufacturing industry, or regulate its agricultural industry, or was given the dictatorial powers as described in The Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-1256 )

As we shall see, Congress was given the power to regulate commerce for a very narrow purpose ___ to insure free trade among the states and prevent one state from taxing another state’s goods as they passed through a state.

Let us take a look at the historical intentions of those who granted the power in question. A clue to those intentions is quickly pointed out in Art. 1, Sec. 9 of our Constitution.



“No Preference shall be given by any Regulation of Commerce or Revenue to the Ports of one State over those of another: nor shall Vessels bound to, or from, one State, be obliged to enter, clear, or pay Duties in another.”

Indeed, we now begin to learn the intentions of our founding fathers . . . to insure an uninhibited trade [movement of goods] among the states and nothing more!

As pointed out in Federalist Paper No. 42 concerning the intention of the power to regulate commerce, Madison states the following:


“A very material object of this power was the relief of the States which import and export through other States, from the improper contributions levied on them by the latter. Were these at liberty to regulate the trade between State and State, it must be foreseen that ways would be found out to load the articles of import and export, during the passage through their jurisdiction, with duties which would fall on the makers of the latter and the consumers of the former. We may be assured by past experience, that such a practice would be introduced by future contrivances; and both by that and a common knowledge of human affairs, that it would nourish unceasing animosities, and not improbably terminate in serious interruptions of the public tranquility.”

The power to regulate commerce among the states was intended to prevent one state from taxing another state’s goods as they passed through its borders, and that is the limited power granted as established by the historical record!

Additionally, Congress was also to have oversight in a specific and clearly identified area related to commerce __ oversight dealing with each state‘s inspection laws:



No state shall, without the consent of the Congress, lay any imposts or duties on imports or exports, except what may be absolutely necessary for executing it's inspection laws: and the net produce of all duties and imposts, laid by any state on imports or exports, shall be for the use of the treasury of the United States; and all such laws shall be subject to the revision and control of the Congress.

If our beloved RINOs were sincere about the health consequences connected with smoking, and obedient to our Constitution and the oath of office they took to support “this Constitution“, they would ask the people of the states via Article V of our Constitution for the desired power to regulate the manufacture, marketing, and distribution of tobacco products, just as was done with regard to prohibition and “intoxicating liquors” by the 18th Amendment:



After one year from the ratification of this article the manufacture, sale, or transportation of intoxicating liquors within, the importation thereof into, or the exportation thereof from the United States and all territory subject to the jurisdiction thereof for beverage purposes is hereby prohibited.

Of course, this regulatory power was withdraw by the people when they adopted THE TWENTY FIRST AMENDMENT (http://www.albany.edu/~wm731882/21st_amendment_final.html)

So which of our Republicans who VOTED YEA (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2009-187) to authorize the exercise the stated powers over tobacco, is willing to point to and substantiate from the historical record that Congress is vested with the power to regulate the manufacture, marketing, and distribution of tobacco products which they now intend to exercise?

Fact is, the majority of Republicans in Congress are nothing more than progressive democrats who cleverly work with democrats to seize powers not authorized by our written Constitution, and they thumb their nose at our Constitution’s Tenth Amendment and federalism, our constitution’s plan. In short, they are low life and spineless cowards!


JWK

" I believe that there are more instances of the abridgement of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachment of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." ___ Madison Elliot`s Debates, vol. III, page 87 (http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=lled&fileName=003/lled003.db&recNum=98&itemLink)

Freedom 4 all
06-13-2009, 07:49 AM
Wasn't regulating tobacco one of McCain's big issues? No doubt this will be a "bipartisan" thing.

TGGRV
06-13-2009, 08:02 AM
Isn't it hilarious that Democraps want to regulate tobacco, but don't mind legalizing drugs that much? It's like WTF?

johnwk
06-13-2009, 08:24 AM
Here is a list of the RINOs who intentionally voted to allow Obama to exercise a dictatorial power not authorized by our written Constitution, and voted to violate our Constitution’s Tenth Amendment. In clear language, they are domestic enemies of our written Constitution and must be removed from office in 2010



Aye OH-7 Austria, Steve [R]
Aye AL-6 Bachus, Spencer [R]
Aye MD-6 Bartlett, Roscoe [R]
Aye IL-13 Biggert, Judy [R]
Aye CA-50 Bilbray, Brian [R]
Aye FL-9 Bilirakis, Gus [R]
Aye CA-45 Bono Mack, Mary [R]
Aye TX-8 Brady, Kevin [R]
Aye SC-1 Brown, Henry [R]
Aye FL-5 Brown-Waite, Virginia [R]
Aye FL-13 Buchanan, Vern [R]
Aye MI-4 Camp, David [R]
Aye VA-7 Cantor, Eric [R]
Aye LA-2 Cao, Anh [R]
Aye WV-2 Capito, Shelley [R]
Aye LA-6 Cassidy, Bill [R]
Aye DE-0 Castle, Michael [R]
Aye FL-4 Crenshaw, Ander [R]
Aye PA-15 Dent, Charles [R]
Aye CA-26 Dreier, David [R]
Aye TN-2 Duncan, John [R]
Aye MI-3 Ehlers, Vernon [R]
Aye MO-8 Emerson, Jo Ann [R]
Aye OK-5 Fallin, Mary [R]
Aye LA-4 Fleming, John [R]
Aye NE-1 Fortenberry, Jeffrey [R]
Aye NJ-11 Frelinghuysen, Rodney [R]
Aye CA-24 Gallegly, Elton [R]
Aye PA-6 Gerlach, Jim [R]
Aye TX-4 Hall, Ralph [R]
Aye MS-3 Harper, Gregg [R]
Aye WA-4 Hastings, Doc [R]
Aye IL-15 Johnson, Timothy [R]
Aye NY-3 King, Peter [R]
Aye IL-10 Kirk, Mark [R]
Aye NJ-7 Lance, Leonard [R]
Aye OH-14 LaTourette, Steven [R]
Aye NY-26 Lee, Christopher [R]
Aye NJ-2 LoBiondo, Frank [R]
Aye IL-16 Manzullo, Donald [R]
Aye CA-22 McCarthy, Kevin [R]
Aye TX-10 McCaul, Michael [R]
Aye NY-23 McHugh, John [R]
Aye CA-25 McKeon, Howard [R]
Aye WA-5 McMorris Rodgers, Cathy [R]
Aye MI-10 Miller, Candice [R]
Aye PA-18 Murphy, Tim [R]
Aye MN-3 Paulsen, Erik [R]
Aye PA-19 Platts, Todd [R]
Aye FL-12 Putnam, Adam [R]
Aye MT-0 Rehberg, Dennis [R]
Aye WA-8 Reichert, Dave [R]
Aye AL-3 Rogers, Michael [R]
Aye IL-6 Roskam, Peter [R]
Aye FL-18 Ros-Lehtinen, Ileana [R]
Aye IL-18 Schock, Aaron [R]
Aye IL-19 Shimkus, John [R]
Aye ID-2 Simpson, Michael [R]
Aye NJ-4 Smith, Christopher [R]
Aye TX-21 Smith, Lamar [R]
Aye NE-2 Terry, Lee [R]
Aye OH-12 Tiberi, Patrick [R]
Aye OH-3 Turner, Michael [R]
Aye MI-6 Upton, Frederick [R]
Aye OR-2 Walden, Greg [R]
Aye TN-3 Wamp, Zach [R]
Aye VA-1 Wittman, Rob [R]
Aye VA-10 Wolf, Frank [R]
Aye FL-10 Young, C. W. [R]
Aye AK-0 Young, Donald [R]


Regards,
JWK

If we can make 51 percent of America’s population dependent upon a federal government check, we can then bribe them for their vote, keep ourselves in power and keep the remaining portion of America’s productive population enslaved to pay the bills ____ Our Washington Establishment’s Marxist game plan, a plan to establish a federal plantation and redistribute the bread labor and business has earned.

Anti Federalist
06-13-2009, 09:35 AM
John,

Great points, well made and concise.

The whole post fails due to the failure to address one key point:

You are assuming that anybody in DC, republican or democrat, gives a frog's fat ass about the Constitution and the limitations it places on doing such things.

They don't care anymore, they don't even pay lip service to it anymore.

They, meaning the ruling class, has pretty much adopted the stance that "anything goes", they can do what they want, when they want, for any reason they want, and they don't give a fuck what you want, or what the Constitution says they can do.

idirtify
06-13-2009, 09:58 AM
Will they regulate tobacco grown by the user to be used by the user? Yes, absolutely. You know how I know? Because they have left a conspicuous vagueness in their definitions, leaving open their route to regulate the homegrown and the home-grower/user.

While they conveniently fail to directly define “tobacco product”, they define “cigarette” as including “tobacco, in any form, that is functional in the product, which, because of its appearance, the type of tobacco used in the filler, or its packaging and labeling, is likely to be offered to, or purchased by, consumers as a cigarette or as roll-your-own tobacco..” [emphasis mine]

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c111:5:./temp/~c111ggVJRE:e27393:

The meaning is obvious. They intend to assert that anyone who possesses tobacco that appears to be for cigarettes is required to register as a producer and comply with all the regs and pay all the taxes – because IT IS LIKELY to be offered to others.

If you still doubt me, they later define “cigarette tobacco” as “tobacco that is intended for use by consumers in a cigarette”. Now you might prefer to assume they are using the word “consumers” to indicate “ingesters” rather than “purchasers”, but they have already asserted that all such tobacco is a regulated product simply because “it is likely” to be sold. Besides, if they really meant “ingesters”, they only need state it as “tobacco that is used in a cigarette”.

Thereby, with these little tricks, they have successfully prohibited grow-your-own / roll-your-own tobacco. If you possess it without registering/complying, you go to jail.

This is VERY bad news for EVERYONE (not just smokers/growers/rollers). If you think crime is bad now, you ain’t seen nothing yet. Just watch it skyrocket as the regulation/prohibition of tobacco intensifies.

And if you smoke Nazis still think you are safe from the currently escalating persecutions against this minority (tobacco users), please refer to Martin Niemoeller’s famous quote.

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Brett
06-13-2009, 10:02 AM
20% of the people smoke.
40% of the people vote.

No doubt smokers SHOULD band together and get who they want in office. This could easily be overturned if all smokers worked together.

Side note: All the democrats kept citing the fact that 1000 people under 18 start smoking every day. That's merely 25% of the people under 18 that die every day because of abortion. Hmm...

johnwk
06-13-2009, 12:18 PM
20% of the people smoke.
40% of the people vote.

No doubt smokers SHOULD band together and get who they want in office. This could easily be overturned if all smokers worked together.

Side note: All the democrats kept citing the fact that 1000 people under 18 start smoking every day. That's merely 25% of the people under 18 that die every day because of abortion. Hmm...

This is not about smoking. It is about the Washington Establishment assuming unauthorized powers.

America, we have a problem! We are being destroyed from within by a group of domestic enemies who have managed to seize political power and whose mission is in fact to bring “change” to America ___ the dismantling of our military power; the destruction of our manufacturing capabilities; the creation of an iron fisted control unauthorized by our written Constitution over private enterprise; the devaluation of our nation’s currency, and, the future enslavement of our children and grand children via unbridled debt and inflation.



The July 4th march on Washington is on!



Regards,
JWK

We are here today and gone tomorrow, but what is most important is what we do in between, and is what our children will inherit and remember us by.

idirtify
06-15-2009, 10:11 AM
A very likely reason for this move by FDA has been brought to my attention by my very astute brother. FDA knows that pot will soon be legal. They also know that it is MUCH easier to homegrow than tobacco (doesn’t need all the complex curing and processing). Therefore they figure if they can get away with placing controls on the homegrower of tobacco, it will be an automatic foot-in-the-door for regulating and taxing homegrown marijuana. Do you people realize what this means? It means that mere possession of loose herbal material (tobacco or mj) that you grew yourself in your own garden will be taxable. Do you know what that means? It means that if you are caught possessing said herbage but can not show registration and licensing papers, you will go to prison!