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shrugged0106
09-22-2007, 11:02 AM
I know I shouldnt find it funny, but the little devil in me giggled a bit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzkd_m4ivmc

Bloody Holly
09-22-2007, 01:19 PM
lol

priceless

I don't care what anyone says, the guy was being a dumb ass.

SwordOfShannarah
09-22-2007, 01:23 PM
lol

priceless

I don't care what anyone says, the guy was being a dumb ass.


You may not care what anyone says, but that doesn't mean what you have to say is true or has any merit.

nexalacer
09-22-2007, 01:24 PM
That's pretty clever. I enjoyed it :)

CJLauderdale4
09-22-2007, 01:25 PM
I want a new Ron Paul shirt that has Ron Paul on the front, and...

DON'T TAZE ME, BRO!!

on the back...

We've been saying this in the halls at work all week!! Classic...

Bloody Holly
09-22-2007, 01:38 PM
You may not care what anyone says, but that doesn't mean what you have to say is true or has any merit.

yeah because you tube videos are never edited. He was being a complete useless moron.

CJLauderdale4
09-22-2007, 01:46 PM
I'm on the ground, on my stomach, with my hands behind my back, and 4 officers with 8 knees holding me down...

Besides, "he's being a dumb ass", please explain why this guy needed to be tased again??

Oh, that's right. He wouldn't shut up and he was making a spectacle of the police. Forgot, that's a felony, isn't it??

SwordOfShannarah
09-22-2007, 01:47 PM
yeah because you tube videos are never edited. He was being a complete useless moron.

no, he wasn't.

Bloody Holly
09-22-2007, 01:49 PM
no, he wasn't.

yes...he was.

When you go to a place like that, speak your mind. If asked to leave, don't act like an irrational douche bag. Sit down. It wasn't a conspiracy theory forum was it? He was being disrespectful and not complying with the rules. People have the right to ask him to leave or sit down. If he doesn't comply, that's his problem.

CJLauderdale4
09-22-2007, 01:55 PM
yes...he was.

When you go to a place like that, speak your mind. If asked to leave, don't act like an irrational douche bag. Sit down. It wasn't a conspiracy theory forum was it? He was being disrespectful and not complying with the rules. People have the right to ask him to leave or sit down. If he doesn't comply, that's his problem.

I could see if he were threatening John Kerry, but he wasn't. He was actually siding with him and saying that he should've contested the election in 2004.

In fact, John Kerry wanted to answer his questions, and was in the process of doing so when the guy got tased.

Even if he wasn't following the rules and being disruptive, the cops had him on the ground, on his stomach, with their 8 knees in his back, and with his hands behind his back when they decided to tase him.

Why?

SwordOfShannarah
09-22-2007, 01:55 PM
yes...he was.

When you go to a place like that, speak your mind. If asked to leave, don't act like an irrational douche bag. Sit down. It wasn't a conspiracy theory forum was it? He was being disrespectful and not complying with the rules. People have the right to ask him to leave or sit down. If he doesn't comply, that's his problem.

The question is why was he asked to leave? Because someone didn't like his questioning? Because he was obnoxious? Whatever happened to "I may not agree with what you have to say but I'll defend your right to say it to the death".

And what right does anyone have to touch him in anyway at all? Whether he follows the rules exactly or not no one has the right to use force against him and that is what they did. He was not using force against anyone nor did he pretend to. He was only seconds away from being finished. Cutting off his mic was enough- no further action was needed.

You speak about rules.. and the rules are that you can ask a question unless we don't like how you ask it? You can ask one question but if you ask three you will be removed forceably?

You're going to find out you're alone on this one- but go ahead, keep making an argument to destroy freedom of political speech and for excessive, unnecessary force. We all still know the truth. :D

dircha
09-22-2007, 02:52 PM
yes...he was.

When you go to a place like that, speak your mind. If asked to leave, don't act like an irrational douche bag. Sit down. It wasn't a conspiracy theory forum was it? He was being disrespectful and not complying with the rules. People have the right to ask him to leave or sit down. If he doesn't comply, that's his problem.

No, that's not his problem. It's the officer's problem, and it looks very likely that the officer will be reprimanded for use of a tazer in violation of the department's regulations.

The student was handcuffed, under control by 6 officers, and posed no threat.

Using a tazer on a handcuffed person who poses no threat is a violation of department regulations.

In fact it is a violation of regulations at most departments around the country.

Mesogen
09-22-2007, 03:05 PM
yes...he was.

When you go to a place like that, speak your mind. If asked to leave, don't act like an irrational douche bag. Sit down. It wasn't a conspiracy theory forum was it? He was being disrespectful and not complying with the rules. People have the right to ask him to leave or sit down. If he doesn't comply, that's his problem.

When was he asked to leave? never. He was immediately under arrest. When the cops were shoving him away they weren't telling him to leave, they were trying to arrest him.

And what rule was he breaking?

I never saw on the video anyone asking him to shut up or asking him to sit down.

What I did see was some guy (representing Kerry?) signal to someone off camera, the cops also were taking signals from someone off camera, and when the time was right, they started their arrest.

The guy tried to leave, but that's not what the cops wanted.

Watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOlmNBxke-E

Bloody Holly
09-22-2007, 03:06 PM
Okay I don't agree with the way cops handle such situations. It's happening alot lately with the tazing and mulitples of cops restraining but at the same time, using common sense at events like this should be a priority. People who go in like scattered brained barbarians....well it never turns out well. Take this as a learning lesson.

Cops are trained this way. I'm not sure if hiring only dumb cops is prevelant in certain states (I'm sure it is) but this is the result.

Both sides were wrong. If the student wouldn't have acted out and took his seat when asked, this wouldn't be a news story. When it comes to stories like this, I would like to see the unbiased and uncut version which I don't think that I have. I've seen the poor innocent student version only. Not the uncut one. Have any links?

glts
09-22-2007, 03:11 PM
What ever happened to peace officers? For those of you old enough to remember good old Andy Griffith of Mayberry. He was a peace officer. I realize it was just a show but in most places that was what police officers were like- peace officers. I feel that this was an over reaction on the police's part and gives us much insight into the way they are being trained today. Escalate the situation and then ask questions.

pcosmar
09-22-2007, 03:17 PM
He was being a complete useless moron.
No, He was being a victim. Expect many more.
This kind of S**t will keep happening till it is stopped.

jonahtrainer
09-22-2007, 03:23 PM
yeah because you tube videos are never edited. He was being a complete useless moron.

There are over 8 YouTube videos from different angles. None appear to be edited as they are all internally consistent and were uploaded shortly after the incident. If the videos have been edited I think the burden is on you to prove it. The videos establish the Facts of the case. The law is to be applied to the Facts of the case.

I have researched the applicable Florida law and applied it to these facts in answering the question "Should the UF police who attacked Andrew Meyer on Constitution Day be tried and convicted for Attempted Murder?" I also analyze possible defenses for the police (Trespass, Breach of the Peace, Inciting a Riot [the officially cited reason which is probably their only real defense])

Read the case from a prosecutor's role and apply the law as the jury. You can vote on my blog (http://pleasedonttasemebro.blogspot.com/). Remember, you are to rationally, intelligently and logically apply the law as it is to the facts as they are. This means you are not to bring in outside or personal bias.

As far as him being a complete useless moron; what difference does it make? Irrelevant.

SwordOfShannarah
09-22-2007, 03:29 PM
Okay I don't agree with the way cops handle such situations. It's happening alot lately with the tazing and mulitples of cops restraining but at the same time, using common sense at events like this should be a priority. People who go in like scattered brained barbarians....well it never turns out well. Take this as a learning lesson.

Cops are trained this way. I'm not sure if hiring only dumb cops is prevelant in certain states (I'm sure it is) but this is the result.

Both sides were wrong. If the student wouldn't have acted out and took his seat when asked, this wouldn't be a news story. When it comes to stories like this, I would like to see the unbiased and uncut version which I don't think that I have. I've seen the poor innocent student version only. Not the uncut one. Have any links?

Both sides are not wrong. Only the police are wrong. I've seen townhall meetings with lots of angry citizens yelling at their board and they are not tazed or escorted out (although that is starting to change as well). There is no law that says you can't ask questions in an excited manner. And that's really all there is to it. He broke NO LAW.

If you persist in your argument please show us what law the student broke. If you can't you have no argument.

Bloody Holly
09-22-2007, 03:31 PM
There are over 8 YouTube videos from different angles. None appear to be edited as they are all internally consistent and were uploaded shortly after the incident. If the videos have been edited I think the burden is on you to prove it. The videos establish the Facts of the case. The law is to be applied to the Facts of the case.

I have researched the applicable Florida law and applied it to these facts in answering the question "Should the UF police who attacked Andrew Meyer on Constitution Day be tried and convicted for Attempted Murder?" I also analyze possible defenses for the police (Trespass, Breach of the Peace, Inciting a Riot [the officially cited reason which is probably their only real defense])

Read the case from a prosecutor's role and apply the law as the jury. You can vote on my blog (http://pleasedonttasemebro.blogspot.com/). Remember, you are to rationally, intelligently and logically apply the law as it is to the facts as they are. This means you are not to bring in outside or personal bias.

As far as him being a complete useless moron; what difference does it make? Irrelevant.

uh right. Someone just posted a video in this thread. Edited or not edited?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOlmNBxke-E

Mesogen
09-22-2007, 03:32 PM
Okay I don't agree with the way cops handle such situations. It's happening alot lately with the tazing and mulitples of cops restraining but at the same time, using common sense at events like this should be a priority. People who go in like scattered brained barbarians....well it never turns out well. Take this as a learning lesson.

Cops are trained this way. I'm not sure if hiring only dumb cops is prevelant in certain states (I'm sure it is) but this is the result.

Both sides were wrong. If the student wouldn't have acted out and took his seat when asked, this wouldn't be a news story. When it comes to stories like this, I would like to see the unbiased and uncut version which I don't think that I have. I've seen the poor innocent student version only. Not the uncut one. Have any links?

This is the argument that "if only you had listened, I wouldn't have to beat you."

The problem is if you should listen to illegal orders in the first place.

Mesogen
09-22-2007, 03:33 PM
uh right. Someone just posted a video in this thread. Edited or not edited?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOlmNBxke-E

Uh. It was edited to highlight the actions of the cops and the signalling to cut the mic right when the student brought up "Armed Madhouse."

SwordOfShannarah
09-22-2007, 03:35 PM
uh right. Someone just posted a video in this thread. Edited or not edited?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOlmNBxke-E

hmmm- so because one video is edited they all are? None of the other non-edited videos count because of this one? Uhhh... Even this shows clearly they grabbed him from behind for no reason. Good one..

So - are you from the Fred Thompson campaign? John McCain? Which Neo-con do you support anyway? Thanks for visiting..

fluoridatedbrainsoup
09-22-2007, 03:37 PM
beautiful stuff. my favorite part besides the hammer pants is the people laughing while the tazing is going on. amerikkka, what a laugh riot.

on another note, i expect to see the electric slide tazered soon in one of these videos. if i had any skill i'd do it myself. electric slide is a beautiful song and dance.

Bloody Holly
09-22-2007, 03:42 PM
hmmm- so because one video is edited they all are? None of the other non-edited videos count because of this one? Uhhh... Even this shows clearly they grabbed him from behind for no reason. Good one..

So - are you from the Fred Thompson campaign? John McCain? Which Neo-con do you support anyway? Thanks for visiting..

I am a supporter of Ron Paul. Just because I don't agree with everything you or others say does not mean I'm from someone else's campaign.

Have you ever liked a musician but then found that you didn't agree with their fans? It's much like that actually.

Have you ever been to a Ron Paul meetup only to find that you didn't like the people that attended? Did you still support Ron Paul afterwards?

I think of Ron Paul much like Martin Luther King. Martin Luther King had a dream. His dream wasn't fulfilled because the followers and others decided to twist his dream into what they thought it meant instead of the direct translation. As a result, his dream is exclusive rather than for all.

I am not here for you. I'm here for Ron Paul.

Also, I want to see non-edited versions. Just like with how mainstream media has their twists, so do people who post their own footages on you tube...doesn't mean all do that but alot do in order to achieve their version and garnish sympathy for just their perception.

If you think you tubers are above it and it's just a mainstream media thing only, well it's not.

Bloody Holly
09-22-2007, 03:43 PM
beautiful stuff. my favorite part besides the hammer pants is the people laughing while the tazing is going on. amerikkka, what a laugh riot.

on another note, i expect to see the electric slide tazered soon in one of these videos. if i had any skill i'd do it myself. electric slide is a beautiful song and dance.

lol

Mesogen
09-22-2007, 03:55 PM
Here's your non-edited versions (you know You Tube has a search function!!)

No one asks him to sit down. The woman cop asks him to hurry up with his question but that's it. He then takes the next 30 seconds to ask his questions. Then they arrest him (illegally).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaiWCS10C5s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIYTJ75U4NU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJbh2MlNHug

There are many others, but this should do for now.

jonahtrainer
09-22-2007, 04:07 PM
This is the argument that "if only you had listened, I wouldn't have to beat you."

The problem is if you should listen to illegal orders in the first place.

Someone posted this in response (https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8744632379205923705&postID=8369310483647929563)to my blog (http://pleasedonttasemebro.blogspot.com/)on whether the officers should be convicted of attempted murder:
“Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer's life if necessary.” Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306. This premise was upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States in the case: John Bad Elk v. U.S., 177 U.S. 529. The Court stated: “Where the officer is killed in the course of the disorder which naturally accompanies an attempted arrest that is resisted, the law looks with very different eyes upon the transaction, when the officer had the right to make the arrest, from what it does if the officer had no right. What may be murder in the first case might be nothing more than manslaughter in the other, or the facts might show that no offense had been committed.”

I read the John Bad Elk (http://supreme.justia.com/us/177/529/case.html) case. In 1900 a guy fires his gun on an Indian reservation. A law enforcement officer comes and asks if he fired it. He said yes. The next day three law enforcement officers go to get him. They have no written warrant. They follow him around and finally after many hours tell him he has to go in. He says no. One of the law enforcement officers reaches for his gun. The defendant pulls his gun and shoots him dead. He is tried and convicted of murder. The trial court judge instructs the jury that the defendant cannot resist the arrest. The Supreme Court disagrees.

So, to answer your question Mesogen: Along with many other cases, the right to self defense, even lethal force, against illegal or unlawful arrest by law enforcement officers appears to be very grounded in American law.

SwordOfShannarah
09-22-2007, 04:22 PM
I am a supporter of Ron Paul. Just because I don't agree with everything you or others say does not mean I'm from someone else's campaign.

OK but you sound exactly like a neo-con. I don't care that you disagree- but I do care you are in support of what can only be considered "police state" action. I find your support for it offensive.


Have you ever liked a musician but then found that you didn't agree with their fans? It's much like that actually.

Really? So the music I like determines my support or lack of for the constitution? That's a new one to me. No one ever died for their favorite band did they? I think this issue is a little more serious and not as similar as you think.



Have you ever been to a Ron Paul meetup only to find that you didn't like the people that attended? Did you still support Ron Paul afterwards?

I think of Ron Paul much like Martin Luther King. Martin Luther King had a dream. His dream wasn't fulfilled because the followers and others decided to twist his dream into what they thought it meant instead of the direct translation. As a result, his dream is exclusive rather than for all.

I am not here for you. I'm here for Ron Paul.

Uhh... ???? Do I really think you're from another camp? Probably not, but I want to point out to you that you really sound like you are right now. These things aren't really things to have opinions about. Either you support preserving the constitution or you don't. This persons free speech has been attacked, without question - and in some ways you support it. Expect to be rattled for that.


Also, I want to see non-edited versions. Just like with how mainstream media has their twists, so do people who post their own footages on you tube...doesn't mean all do that but alot do in order to achieve their version and garnish sympathy for just their perception.

If you think you tubers are above it and it's just a mainstream media thing only, well it's not.

You didn't even bother to look on the net and see if there was a full version of the video we're all talking about. Thanks!

One last thing.. just because I disagree with you.. don't taze me bro!! I know I need to be careful with you. :p

Mesogen
09-22-2007, 04:22 PM
Yes, jonahtrainer. Maybe I shouldn't have phrased it like that.

It's not really much of a question. No, you shouldn't listen to cops giving illegal orders. You should resist false and unlawful arrest.

jonahtrainer
09-22-2007, 04:33 PM
Yes, jonahtrainer. Maybe I shouldn't have phrased it like that.

It's not really much of a question. No, you shouldn't listen to cops giving illegal orders. You should resist false and unlawful arrest.

Well, what you 'should' do is a question each of us has to determine individually and is a whole separate issue.

But this taser event is not so much a freedom of speech issue as it is an unreasonable seizure issue. I find it appalling that the MSM, and most people, do not even address the unreasonable seizure issue.

The Supreme Law of the Land is that The People to be secure in their persons from unreasonable seizures shall not be violated. That is the Law. For those who uphold and support the Constitution and understand it they should immediately find this event disgustful (on 1st, 4th, 5th, 6th and 8th Amendment grounds). There is no room for disagreement among reasonable people. By analogy, there is no room for disagreement among reasonable people that 2+2=4 or that water is composed of three atoms; 2 hydrogen and 1 oxygen.

As far as convicting the officers of attempted murder ... I think reasonable minds can differ. I am not even sure how I would vote if I were on that jury.

paulitics
09-22-2007, 04:44 PM
The question is was the guy being arrested before he resisted?....It appears that they were arresting him right after they were cutting off the mic. They grab his hands behind his back as if to handcuff him and say something to him, in which he shouts "whoa what am I being arrested for?" If this is the case, there was absolutely no basis for arresting him.
Not even close.


I see this as a black and white issue. Unless we now arrest people for being annoying at a public forum or asking the wrong questions, there was no law broke. Not even close. Lord help this republic, if this becomes precedent.

And for debating wether or not he should be tased, is like debating wether or not police brutality is justified for someone defenseless and imombilized. This was no different than Rodney King or hundreds of other police brutality. The biggest defense I get from the other side is "well, he was being a jackass". " He got what he deserved". Come on.

glts
09-22-2007, 04:54 PM
First they came for the communists,
and I did not speak out - because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists,
and I did not speak out - because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I did not speak out - because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews,
and I did not speak out - because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me -
and there was no one left to speak out for me.


Martin Niemoller