Ending the Ron Paul = anti-semite FOR GOOD

[Derek Johnson]

Yesterday, for no other reason than ugly media smear propaganda, Michael Medved mentioned that "Stormfront" and white supremacist group "were big supporters of Ron Paul, btw", just before the media announced that a security guard in the Holocaust museum in DC had passed away from his injuries.

I almost ran off the road. So I called and chewed Medved out for this smear on the basis that many of the Austrian economists and Classical liberals were/are actually Jewish...and Ron Paul can't help it if F'd-up groups or group members like Stormfront donate.

What I need from you guys to support one point in a YouTube vid I'd like to make that will include the call is numbers:

from wiki, Stormfront gets about 40,000 unique url hits per day...and it's surprising and sad that it is that high. I'm totally agaists racial quotas, or racial anything, and I understand that the white man is the modern punching bag, nevertheless, Stormfront and white supremacy is an egregiously disgusting group...and they can go F-themselves.

Am I safe to say there are 40,000 "white supremacists" and about 4,000,000 Ron Paul supporters? If so, 1% of Ron Paul supporters are "white supremacists", and by this alone...Medved has absolutely NO STATISTICAL BASIS for the smear he put on the good doctor, and only truly honest politician of our time.

I need support on both numbers, because I want this video to get passed around to kill the false idea that Paul = Stormfront, as some of Medved's audience will actually believe this shit.

Help me on the numbers, please, so my video is grounded in fact...not bias, emotion, propaganda and smear...

...and let's end this for good, Mises, Rothbard and Russo all would approve of our action here, Medved and Beck are putting a pretty disgusting brainwash on America....especially the last few days.

God bless!
Derek

[AuH20]

Barry Goldwater was jewish too! He hated the Fed!


"Most Americans have no real understanding of the operation of the international money lenders. The accounts of the Federal Reserve System have never been audited. It operates outside the control of Congress and manipulates the credit of the United States" — Sen. Barry Goldwater (Rep. AR)

[specsaregood]

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[RM918]

Which raises further questions: Why are all the chicks in that picture in a good mood, and the guys are all scowling?

[JasonC]

Schiff is jewish...

[He Who Pawns]

many Austrian School and libertarian luminaries have been jews. von mises, schiff, rothbard, rand, etc.

[Matt Collins]

Which raises further questions: Why are all the chicks in that picture in a good mood, and the guys are all scowling?They are jealous of Ron ;):p

[ItsTime]

I heard Ron Paul went to right wing extremist sermons by Rev Wright.

[Charles Wilson]

Michael Medved is a neocon. He smears Ron Paul every chance he gets. Most folks who listen to him subscribe to his brand of nonsense. I just ignore him. When he appears on one of the TV shows I am watching, I change the channel.

"While focusing on the theme of Hollywood vs. America, radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh interviewed Medved and then asked Medved to guest-host his talk show. Medved went on to serve as a regular guest-host for Limbaugh on close to 30 occasions."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Medved

[Derek Johnson]

Barry Goldwater was jewish too! He hated the Fed!

Goldwater stands tall, good one. The truth, as I see it is this:

Jews are Republicans (yep, many neocons, others not), Democrats (many liberal others blue dog), Libertarians (many Ron Paulers, btw), Gun owners, gun grabbers, Anarchists, pot heads, anti-drug, boozers, anti-booze....you get the point.

This is why Stormfront and Protocols of Zion conspiracy advocates are, well, wrong. Jews are not monolithic, inasmuch are Christians or Muslims are not monolithic.

And if I had to list all the great Jews that brought us to free market economics a la Rockwell, Ron Paul, Rothbard, Tom Woods...the list would be long indeed....longer than Michael Medved's very long tongue.

[He Who Pawns]

Michael Medved is a neocon. He smears Ron Paul every chance he gets.

Medved smears Dr Paul for one reason, and one reason only -- because Dr Paul does not believe in fighting pre-emptive wars on Israel's behalf.

[disorderlyvision]

many Austrian School and libertarian luminaries have been jews. von mises, schiff, rothbard, rand, etc.

Rand was not jewish, she was atheist.

[Derek Johnson]

Rand was not jewish, she was atheist.

I think her parents/family were, correct me if I'm wrong. My bro-in law is Jewish, so is my wife's ex, so is one of my ex's....but who cares...except media propaganda machines like Medved.

[Annihilia]

Well duh, we all know this is crap. It's a matter of fighting the media smear lest we will end up marginalized like the Birchers.

[phill4paul]

Which raises further questions: Why are all the chicks in that picture in a good mood, and the guys are all scowling?

That's funny that is exactly the first thing that came to my mind.:p

[Derek Johnson]

Give me the numbers of RP supporters, please! I've looked, but man, I can't nail that one down. Please help me out.

I'll use the wiki-posted 40,000 "Stormfront" hits/per day [to Stormfront's webpage] and assume that equals 40,000 active white supremacists in the US [that may be off, but I don't know how else to get this data]...this will be the numerator. This was my prime counter-argument during my call to lord Medved, that the Stormfront/white supremacists were only a tiny fraction of total Ron Paul support...which undermines his propaganda allegation.

What you all can point out [# of US Ron Paulers] will be the denominator....

...the quotient will be the Medved propaganda, which will make his point mathematically STUPID and IRRELEVANT...and this video will make Medved look stupid and irrelevant.

[sevin]

A unique hit is not the same as a unique visitor. Everytime you hit a new page on the site it is a new unique hit. So one visitor might have hundreds of hits every day.


Only if you think every single white supremacist visits stormfront on a daily basis and as I pointed out above the 40,000 hits != 40,000 users.

I don't have any images handy of Ron Paul with a bunch of jewish people but he definitely doesn't appear to be a white supremacist:
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/5111/balloupaul15.jpg

How come every girl is smiling and every boy is frowning?

[RM918]

How come every girl is smiling and every boy is frowning?

Hey, the one behind Paul's right shoulder /could/ be scowling. We can't prove it.

[satchelmcqueen]

Which raises further questions: Why are all the chicks in that picture in a good mood, and the guys are all scowling?

because ron paul is the shiznit.:D

[Derek Johnson]

Numbers of RP'ers?

[pacelli]

Am I safe to say there are 40,000 "white supremacists" and about 4,000,000 Ron Paul supporters?

Help me on the numbers, please, so my video is grounded in fact...not bias, emotion, propaganda and smear...

...and let's end this for good, Mises, Rothbard and Russo all would approve of our action here, Medved and Beck are putting a pretty disgusting brainwash on America....especially the last few days.

God bless!
Derek

I can get you started. On the day of primaries, Ron Paul got ~1,123,071 votes.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/candidates/#302

[pdavis]

Which raises further questions: Why are all the chicks in that picture in a good mood, and the guys are all scowling?


How come every girl is smiling and every boy is frowning?

As someone who is a black male I can tell you many black males generally (there are exceptions) do not smile (usually do to a coolness, swagger, and/or bad boy mentality).

[Derek Johnson]

I can get you started. On the day of primaries, Ron Paul got ~1,123,071 votes.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/candidates/#302


Nationwide? That means 40,000 / 1,123,071 = 3.5 % of Ron Paulers [who donated, voted etc] are white supremacists with the following 2 assumptions:

1. There are 1.12 millions RPers nationwide
2. Every unique Stormfront url daily hit is:

a. a Ron Paul supporter
b. a real living breathing white supremacist
c. donated to Ron Paul

If this is good data [anyone else, please pile on], I'll go with it for my little YouTube video that contains my on air call to Medved.

Making a Ron Paul = white supremacist smear based on 3.5% is trite still, and it makes my point...I just want it to be honest, unlike Medved's show.

[Derek Johnson]

As someone who is a black male I can tell you many black males generally (there are exceptions) do not smile (usually do to a coolness, swagger, and/or bad boy mentality).

Although I am white [w/a little euro gypsy mix], my brother is married to a black woman...and my hometown is mostly black, and I taught 2 years at the high school in Marlin, TX which is also mostly black.

You're generalization is pretty much true, but not absolute, as you stated above. I've witnessed black nerds, black [Star Trek] "Trekies" [seriously], black everstudious egg heads [who get teased as being white for it...kinda sad]...so the absolute gansta generalizations is off, and it's sort of an act anyway..esp after the real inter-racial friendship / marriage / relationship develops...my brother has been married for 13 years, others fail...just like in other American subculture groups. People are people afterall...but it's really hard to beat the Marlin HS Bulldogs in football, track, or basketball...;)

...and I think you meant to say...swagga ;)

[aravoth]

Which raises further questions: Why are all the chicks in that picture in a good mood, and the guys are all scowling?

Because every woman in the world that gets within a certain proximity of his manliness suddenly loses all inhibitions and wants to sleep with him.

[Chieftain1776]

Yesterday, for no other reason than ugly media smear propaganda, Michael Medved mentioned that "Stormfront" and white supremacist group "were big supporters of Ron Paul, btw", just before the media announced that a security guard in the Holocaust museum in DC had passed away from his injuries.

I almost ran off the road. So I called and chewed Medved out for this smear on the basis that many of the Austrian economists and Classical liberals were/are actually Jewish...and Ron Paul can't help it if F'd-up groups or group members like Stormfront donate.

What I need from you guys to support one point in a YouTube vid I'd like to make that will include the call is numbers:

from wiki, Stormfront gets about 40,000 unique url hits per day...and it's surprising and sad that it is that high. I'm totally agaists racial quotas, or racial anything, and I understand that the white man is the modern punching bag, nevertheless, Stormfront and white supremacy is an egregiously disgusting group...and they can go F-themselves.

Am I safe to say there are 40,000 "white supremacists" and about 4,000,000 Ron Paul supporters? If so, 1% of Ron Paul supporters are "white supremacists", and by this alone...Medved has absolutely NO STATISTICAL BASIS for the smear he put on the good doctor, and only truly honest politician of our time.

I need support on both numbers, because I want this video to get passed around to kill the false idea that Paul = Stormfront, as some of Medved's audience will actually believe this shit.

Help me on the numbers, please, so my video is grounded in fact...not bias, emotion, propaganda and smear...

...and let's end this for good, Mises, Rothbard and Russo all would approve of our action here, Medved and Beck are putting a pretty disgusting brainwash on America....especially the last few days.

God bless!
Derek

It's bait...don't take it. He controls the forum i.e. he can cut off your mic and make up bullshit. He's probably waiting for someone to call in so he'd have an excuse to link Paul with the 89-year old wacko.

[Cowlesy]

40,000 sounds way way way too high to me. Most White Nationalists are National Socialists as far as we've seen when they've trolled, and hold views completely antithetical to Dr. Paul. There seems like a small libertarian'ish contingent that just wants to be left alone, and can live in peace with anyone --- I'd hypothesize given the number we've had to ban here, it'd be around 3-4% of your 40,000, if that.

[silverhawks]

While you're at it, you might want to leave a few informed and non-inflammatory comments here.

Dailymotion - Why Neo-Nazis Support Ron Paul - a News & Politics video (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3qwse_why-neonazis-support-ron-paul_news)

Just found it.

[Derek Johnson]

It's bait...don't take it. He controls the forum i.e. he can cut off your mic and make up bullshit. He's probably waiting for someone to call in so he'd have an excuse to link Paul with the 89-year old wacko.

Chieftain1776, hey bud:

You misunderstand. The call has already been made, I made it yesterday just after he made the ambush smear, right before he announced that the security guard died.

I know, amazing timing....:rolleyes:...but I absolutely crushed Medved like a bug on air...you will see for yourself :D

And the reason I could shove an apple in his neocon mouth and rotisserie him over an open fire is b/c the numbers of white supremacist Ron Paulers is statistically insignificant...

...NOW do you understand why I am asking for the number of Ron Paul supporters, contributers, voters? Right, because I want to back up my "on air" charge that the actual numbers do not match his smear...i.e. Ron Paul supporters = white supremacists.

In fairness to Michael Medved, he let me speak, or in this case, bite off his head and shit down his neck. I called him a propagandizer 3 or 4 times and he didn't lower my volume of delay me out...it's all on the audio, which will be posted later.

And my God bless the soul of the brave and heroic slain officer, Stephen Tyrone Johns, thank you sir for your service, and shooting that 88-year of waste of a human life piece of shit scumbag white supremacist.

[Chieftain1776]

I still think it's a bad idea but here's a suggested line of argument I've used at another site if you decide to go through with it:


Well than I guess you've got problems with Guiliani, McCain, and Huckabee. Pat Robertson who came out in support of Guiliani but was happy with the neocon foreign policy in general "Pat Robertson's work, NEW WORLD ORDER, is a catch all for conspiracy theories. It combines the paranoia of the Old Right with modern versions. A summary of Robertson's book is found on page 177 of the writing in which Pat says a conspiracy has existed in the world working through Freemasonry and a secret Order of the Illumaniti, a group combining Masons and Jewish Bankers...Robertson was accused of anti semitism after the book was published. Researchers found some of his sources were anti semites who blamed Jews for world problems."
http://www.livingston.net/wilkyjr/link26.htm

And John McCain and Huckabee whose endorsement of John Hagee they courted..which was eventually given to McCain after a visit to Hagee's mega church. Hagee posits the following antisemitism and crackpottery "anti-Semitism, and thus the Holocaust, was the fault of Jews themselves -- the result of an age old divine curse incurred by the ancient Hebrews through worshiping idols and passed, down the ages, to all Jews now alive....Most readers will be shocked by the clear record of history linking Adolf Hitler and the Roman Catholic Church in a conspiracy to exterminate the Jews." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/21/mccain-backer-hagee-said_n_102892.html

Sorry for the length but you want to play the game of guilt by association you should "hate [them] big time now--because of [their antisemite supporters]

If that, instead of ideas, is the metric of support then I pose the following question. What is more dangerous to our country.. a small number of nutjobs latching on to the candidacy of a non-interventionist like Ron Paul or a bunch of nutjobs latching on to the neocon foreign policies of McCain, Guiliani, Huckabee et al to LITERALLY ignite Armagedden!?!?
http://www.alternet.org/story/39748/

Sorry to the community for the long post but the double standard needs to end. If you want to want to argue on the merits of the ideas..fine. But guilt by association discredits most of the Republican field on your very own terms!

And the scary part is the nutjobs like Hagee and Robertson are mainstream!

The problem with our movement is that because we believe in a small government policies it attracts the conspiracy theorists. For example non-intervention and sound money/anti fed is attractive to those who believe a small group whether Jews, Illuminati etc. Same goes for our principled defense of property rights and the white supremacists who believe that is code word for their beliefs. Barry Goldwater had the same problem in '64.

As I showed above the Neocons have the same problem with crazy Armageddon types but they rarely respond to the accusations. In fact they actively court and seek finanancial support from evangelical organisations that preach Armaggedon in the church!

I still think the best approach is to ignore them and not be defensive. It's not numbers but it's a solid argument imo. Hope this helps.

[Derek Johnson]

40,000 sounds way way way too high to me. Most White Nationalists are National Socialists as far as we've seen when they've trolled, and hold views completely antithetical to Dr. Paul. There seems like a small libertarian'ish contingent that just wants to be left alone, and can live in peace with anyone --- I'd hypothesize given the number we've had to ban here, it'd be around 3-4% of your 40,000, if that.

Cowlsey, thanks.

Maybe I should just ask everyone here:

What percentage of US Ron Paul supporters are also US Stormfront dickheads, best guess?

Less than 1% devistates Medved's smear, but it's nice to have hard numbers...which in this case may be tough.

[Chieftain1776]

Sorry I was writing and missed your post. I'm glad it went well...you usually do a good job but I was worried about Savage b/c I've heard what a lunatic prick he can be.

[Derek Johnson]

I still think it's a bad idea but here's a suggested line of argument I've used at another site if you decide to go through with it:


The problem with our movement is that because we believe in a small government policies it attracts the conspiracy theorists. For example non-intervention and sound money/anti fed is attractive to those who believe a small group whether Jews, Illuminati etc. Same goes for our principled defense of property rights and the white supremacists who believe that is code word for their beliefs. Barry Goldwater had the same problem in '64.

As I showed above the Neocons have the same problem with crazy Armageddon types but they rarely respond to the accusations. In fact they actively court and seek finanancial support from evangelical organisations that preach Armaggedon in the church!

I still think the best approach is to ignore them and not be defensive. It's not numbers but it's a solid argument imo. Hope this helps.

Chieftain1776, dude, slow down. Read the entire thread [and understand what is going on] before you get into Aliens and Chupacabras...the smear is done, the call is done, all is as good as can be, save Stephen Tyrone John's family...just please answer the original question instead of diatribing.

[paulitics]

Barry Goldwater was jewish too! He hated the Fed!

I had no idea he was Jewish and I have been around for quite a while. It's amazing how so hung up on race we are not, that the issue of race on most of these guys never even come up here.

Peter Schiff, Rothbard, Penn and Teller,Stosesel, Rand. There are so many, it's like we have a Jewish libertarian conspiracy. All of these collectivists who use race as a means to divide ourselves, can go Fu.. themselves. This includes the racists at stormfront , the idiot who killed a security guard, and Medved for feeding into this B.S...oh. And why the hell would RP's heros include Martin Luther King, and Ghandi if he were racist? I am so sick of this B.S. And fuck the MIAC report too for putting CFL, RP , veterans, etc on there who should not be targeted.

[eduardo89]

This is something I found on Stormfront which confirms that Ron Paul and his message are not compatible with white supremacism....


Libertarianism is inherently individualist, racial thought is inherently collectivist. There is no compromise possible. Even Libertarian 'hero' Ron Paul points out this fact quite clearly, as he speaks of worshiping Martin Luther King and Rosa Parts, yet 'white nationalists' are duped into following this path regardless. You can't support a ban of interracial marriage and be a 'true' libertarian; you can't support marriage freedom and be a 'true' racialist. You could try to create some sort of half-hearted libertarian half-hearted racial state... but why? National Socialism stands for freedom of the folk, only those who oppose the folks' interest would have reason to fear a National Socialist government "oppressing" them. Personally, I'm fine with race traitors fearing my government.

[Derek Johnson]

Sorry I was writing and missed your post. I'm glad it went well...you usually do a good job but I was worried about Savage b/c I've heard what a lunatic prick he can be.

Ok cool.

Savage, LOL, what a putz: move the slider to about the 5:00 mark:

YouTube - Foreign Policy with Fred Thompson and Michael Savage the UN & Constitution Article 6 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH5bRclG-fE)

[paulitics]

Hitler was a collectivist. You have to be in order to be a racist.

[devil21]

As someone who is a black male I can tell you many black males generally (there are exceptions) do not smile (usually do to a coolness, swagger, and/or bad boy mentality).

See, if a white person wrote that we'd be "racist". Good lord this racism crap pisses me off.

[Derek Johnson]

I had no idea he was Jewish and I have been around for quite a while. It's amazing how so hung up on race we are not, that the issue of race on most of these guys never even come up here.

Peter Schiff, Rothbard, Penn and Teller,Stosesel, Rand. There are so many, it's like we have a Jewish libertarian conspiracy. All of these collectivists who use race as a means to divide ourselves, can go Fu.. themselves. This includes the racists at stormfront , the idiot who killed a security guard, and Medved for feeding into this B.S...oh. And why the hell would RP's heros include Martin Luther King, and Ghandi if he were racist? I am so sick of this B.S. And fuck the MIAC report too for putting CFL, RP , veterans, etc on there who should not be targeted.

Exactly!

If you're a Ron Pauler, you support an ecomonic theory that the Jewish heros, if not perennial hereforward giants Mises and Rothbard perfected to the point that they totally destroyed Marx, Keynes and the rest of the state nonsense...forever.

We are who we are because of Mises/Rothbard....both Jews. Understand this Medved, you piece of shit?

You better believe that I pointed this out to Medved during my call...as well as pulling in the late great Aaron Russo into the mix, who was a Ron Pauler like none other. God bless him.

[Derek Johnson]

This is something I found on Stormfront which confirms that Ron Paul and his message are not compatible with white supremacism....

Eduardo, thanks! This is going in the video, it's perfect, it sums it all up. Stick this in your pipe Medved!


Libertarianism is inherently individualist, racial thought is inherently collectivist. There is no compromise possible. Even Libertarian 'hero' Ron Paul points out this fact quite clearly, as he speaks of worshiping Martin Luther King and Rosa Parts, yet 'white nationalists' are duped into following this path regardless. You can't support a ban of interracial marriage and be a 'true' libertarian; you can't support marriage freedom and be a 'true' racialist. You could try to create some sort of half-hearted libertarian half-hearted racial state... but why? National Socialism stands for freedom of the folk, only those who oppose the folks' interest would have reason to fear a National Socialist government "oppressing" them. Personally, I'm fine with race traitors fearing my government.

[eduardo89]

^^ ahh when you quote it like that it looks like i wrote the second part myself and i could be connected to stormfront by my (future) political opponents :P

[Derek Johnson]

^^ ahh when you quote it like that it looks like i wrote the second part myself haha

You should have claimed it! ;)

Although the person who wrote it is from a different piece of cloth than we are, it's perennial truth. It also proved Medved and the anti-Paul media of this ilk...well...

WRONG

[Steeleye]

I had no idea he was Jewish and I have been around for quite a while. It's amazing how so hung up on race we are not, that the issue of race on most of these guys never even come up here.

Peter Schiff, Rothbard, Penn and Teller,Stosesel, Rand. There are so many, it's like we have a Jewish libertarian conspiracy. All of these collectivists who use race as a means to divide ourselves, can go Fu.. themselves. This includes the racists at stormfront , the idiot who killed a security guard, and Medved for feeding into this B.S...oh. And why the hell would RP's heros include Martin Luther King, and Ghandi if he were racist? I am so sick of this B.S. And fuck the MIAC report too for putting CFL, RP , veterans, etc on there who should not be targeted.

Barry Goldwater was actually Episcopalian descended from converted Jews, originally "Goldwasser". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/barry_goldwater#personal-life (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/barry_goldwater)

[krazy kaju]

Considering that Ron Paul has the pictures of Mises and Rothbard, two Semites, on his office wall, and considering that he has extensively read the works of and interacted with Semites like Mises, Rothbard, Hayek, Block, etc., I doubt Ron Paul has any tie with anti-Semitism or racism.

[krazy kaju]

We need to get Jewish supporters of Ron Paul to start a "Jews for Ron Paul" website.

EDIT: Just noticed some tool started such a website, and he turned out to be a homosexual, pagan Democrat. Great.

[Derek Johnson]

Considering that Ron Paul has the pictures of Mises and Rothbard, two Semites, on his office wall, and considering that he has extensively read the works of and interacted with Semites like Mises, Rothbard, Hayek, Block, etc., I doubt Ron Paul has any tie with anti-Semitism or racism.

Tell that to Medved

[Chieftain1776]

I had no idea he was Jewish and I have been around for quite a while. It's amazing how so hung up on race we are not, that the issue of race on most of these guys never even come up here.


Yeah actually in the documentary Goldwater on Goldwater (great doc btw) it shows a clip of him addressing the charge of white supremacist support by basically saying something like "They're not going to support me because I'm 1/4 Jewish by my grandparents and a committed Episcopalian"



This is something I found on Stormfront which confirms that Ron Paul and his message are not compatible with white supremacism....

Awesome find Eduardo


Savage, LOL, what a putz: move the slider to about the 5:00 mark:

Yeah he was pretty tame...I guess this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Savage_(commentator)#Controversies) is what I was worried about.

[LT for the Truth]

That pic is priceless :D As another black male, I don't smile in pics neither but I would smile today! Now lets Audit the Fed

[Sandman33]

We need to get Jewish supporters of Ron Paul to start a "Jews for Ron Paul" website.

EDIT: Just noticed some tool started such a website, and he turned out to be a homosexual, pagan Democrat. Great.

Thats cool!

All in all it still spreads diversity in the masses and furthers the divide and conquer agenda.

I've honestly never been to this stormfront site that people here speak of. Whats it really about?

[Chieftain1776]

We need to get Jewish supporters of Ron Paul to start a "Jews for Ron Paul" website.

EDIT: Just noticed some tool started such a website, and he turned out to be a homosexual, pagan Democrat. Great.

Actually during the campaign I believe someone did and Dr. Walter Block, a prominent economist of the Austrian School, took a lead role in defending Ron Paul from such accusations.

[Derek Johnson]

We need to get Jewish supporters of Ron Paul to start a "Jews for Ron Paul" website.

No need, there are already thousands of Jewish Americans who support Ron Paul, many of whom are not zionist meat-heads like so many Christians. End collectivism already.

"Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations; entangling alliance with none."

I believe Presidents Washington, Jefferson, Monroe, and Cleveland all stated variations of this idea...Cleveland quoted Jefferson during his inaugural speech.

All nations means all nations. And with none, means NONE! If American zionists do not understand this wisdom, it is their problem...and neoconservatism is on it's way out...it is expensive, and we have no money.

I'm about to engage some neoconservatives here if anyone cares to pile on:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/forum/cd/discussion.html/ref=cm_cd_notf_thread?ie=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1LHCC8HH8X3OO&cdPage=1&asin=1416562850&cdThread=TxBK94UGCBCALO#

Regarding another interventionalist, Mark Levin's 'Neoconservatism [Liberty] and Tyranny' #1 best selling book. We Americans will fall for damn near anything...so it seems.

[Chieftain1776]

Oh and Derek, you here's another point you can throw in the video:

"Paul was in Congress when Israel bombed Iraq’s Osirak nuclear plant in 1981 and — unlike the United Nations and the Reagan administration — defended its right to do so. He says Saudi Arabia has an influence on Washington equal to Israel’s. His votes against support for Israel follow quite naturally from his opposition to all foreign aid."
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/22/magazine/22Paul-t.html?pagewanted=4

[Derek Johnson]

Oh and Derek, you here's another point you can throw in the video:

"Paul was in Congress when Israel bombed Iraq’s Osirak nuclear plant in 1981 and — unlike the United Nations and the Reagan administration — defended its right to do so. He says Saudi Arabia has an influence on Washington equal to Israel’s. His votes against support for Israel follow quite naturally from his opposition to all foreign aid."
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/22/magazine/22Paul-t.html?pagewanted=4

Thanks, bingo!

Mark Levin brings this up in his latest book...but he failed to mention that Paul supported it and the Reagan admininistration opposed it.

While Levin's book is not Tom Wood's 'Meltdown' [or anywhere close]...is not far off the mark on most points [save WWII did not end the great depression] though Levin's economic knowledge is somewhat unsound...but the book is a pretty strong attack againsts statism...and for that I'm greatful...

...until Ch10, which could have been entitled 'Neoconotopia'...and he even drags the Founder's into this nation building bullshit. :eek: Won't work on me Mark, I read books.

[Chieftain1776]

Thanks, bingo!

Mark Levin brings this up in his latest book...but he failed to mention that Paul supported it and the Reagan admininistration opposed it.

While Levin's book is not Tom Wood's 'Meltdown' [or anywhere close]...is not far off the mark on most points [save WWII did not end the great depression] though Levin's economic knowledge is somewhat unsound...but the book is a pretty strong attack againsts statism...and for that I'm greatful...

...until Ch10, which could have been entitled 'Neoconotopia'...and he even drags the Founder's into this nation building bullshit. :eek: Won't work on me Mark, I read books.

I actually ordered Joe Scarborough's newest book and waiting for it. From what I've heard from his morning show he going to have some choice words against the neo-cons. Unfortunately he buys the global warming tripe so we'll see...

As for Levin's book...I'll wait for it in the library instead of spending money on it ;)

[purplechoe]

Proof of Ron Paul's Racism! ROCK SOLID EVIDENCE!

http://dynw.com/ronpaulisracist/

[james1906]

RP needs to do some public events with Kinky Friedman. Problem solved.

[tremendoustie]

Cowlsey, thanks.

Maybe I should just ask everyone here:

What percentage of US Ron Paul supporters are also US Stormfront dickheads, best guess?

Less than 1% devistates Medved's smear, but it's nice to have hard numbers...which in this case may be tough.

A lot closer to 0.1% than 1%

[james1906]

http://www.openentrance.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/ice-cube2-061507-3.jpg

I blame Ice Cube for the trend of black guys not smiling in photos. Ice Cube only has this expression.

[Flash]

All the people calling Ron Paul a racist or racialist are mostly Neo-Con snobs who only associate themselves with rich White people and mysterious black friends whom are never seen but always referenced in racial conversations.

[RoamZero]

Heh, so you're the one that called him? I was listening at the time, you did a pretty good job. The main point you missed is that Medved sneeringly pointing out the Stormfront/Paul connection added absolutely NOTHING to the story at hand (the museum shooting). So what if it's 100% fact? It's like pointing out that Hitler was an avid dog lover (also a fact) every time a pet-related story makes the news because you dont like dogs/pet owners.

Also, something you could have gotten Medved on is the fact that he never goes on to explain the reasoning behind the Stormfront idiots' support. While Ron Paul is against the Fed and a State's rights supporter based strictly on economical and constitutional issues, the Stormfront idiots think that the Fed is part of the Jew conspiracy and project their twisted views onto Paul. And Paul is one of the few Anti-Fed politicians, so naturally he would attract idiots like the Stormfront people. The only thing I would agree on with Medved is that Paul did a poor job distancing himself from these people, but he didn't do that as result of sympathy for the Stormfront movement but out of principle. As a fellow Republican, and considering the position the Republicans are in now, Medved should by all rights be doing everything he can to support fellow Republicans, and mentioning an issue like the Stormfront problem without fully explaining it only hurts.

[I Am Weasel]

http://www.openentrance.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/ice-cube2-061507-3.jpg

I blame Ice Cube for the trend of black guys not smiling in photos. Ice Cube only has this expression.

with an attitude such as that, it's no wonder we have the racist ramblings we have in this nation today. The only politically correct term I can use would be trash, the N word I guess I'll skip on. But a black person is black when I go up to them and smile and say hi, reaching out my hand to shake theirs and am greeted the same way. I've also had my share of run ins with the other side which have a chip on their shoulder, almost dare I say soulless and without a conscience.

[CMoore]

That is the CUTEST picture!!!! I just love it. You can really see the love these women have for him. Up until now my favorite Ron Paul picture was the one of him sitting alone in the empty room with the flag on the wall. But this picture is at least a tie with that one.

[anaconda]

Which raises further questions: Why are all the chicks in that picture in a good mood, and the guys are all scowling?

The two guys on the left appear to be in good spirits. That is a darn cute photo.

[anaconda]

I actually ordered Joe Scarborough's newest book and waiting for it. From what I've heard from his morning show he going to have some choice words against the neo-cons. Unfortunately he buys the global warming tripe so we'll see...

As for Levin's book...I'll wait for it in the library instead of spending money on it ;)


Isn't Scarborough a warmongering neocon?

[pacelli]

Is it possible to stick to the fucking REQUEST at the beginning of this thread? How did this get off on icecube and how cute he is? Do you people really not care about the issue reported in the OP?

[Liberty Star]

Yesterday, for no other reason than ugly media smear propaganda, Michael Medved mentioned ...

Medved has his reasons for bashin RP, he's at times a tool of war crazy necons and has been tied to mega crooks like Abrmoff:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Michael+Medved+Abramoff&btnG=Search


Why should RP supporters waste much time on crap he has to sell..I'm afarid we're giving attention to wrong distraction here.

[Derek Johnson]

Heh, so you're the one that called him? I was listening at the time, you did a pretty good job. The main point you missed is that Medved sneeringly pointing out the Stormfront/Paul connection added absolutely NOTHING to the story at hand (the museum shooting).

RoamZero

Your memory doesn't match the audio. As you will find out tomorrow when I post the audio. I said the connection suggests a direct association...which is unsupported by the tiny number of actual living breathing white neo nazi morons.


So what if it's 100% fact? It's like pointing out that Hitler was an avid dog lover (also a fact) every time a pet-related story makes the news because you dont like dogs/pet owners.

There was no need to make an analogy like that...and it's risky to do so not to mention being easily misunderstood when you are talking to over 1,000,000 [possibly] people to a host who has control over your volume signal, as well as the last word. If you have called talk radio, you'd know that whatever it is you want to say, you have to get it out in 30 seconds or less. His main charge was an unwarranted association which I dismissed with NUMBERS, e.g. many Ron Paul supporters, very few white neo nazi morons...therefore any suggestion of association is unsupported by the sample size, from a statistical standpoint...totally insignificant.


Also, something you could have gotten Medved on is the fact that he never goes on to explain the reasoning behind the Stormfront idiots' support. While Ron Paul is against the Fed and a State's rights supporter based strictly on economical and constitutional issues, the Stormfront idiots think that the Fed is part of the Jew conspiracy and project their twisted views onto Paul. And Paul is one of the few Anti-Fed politicians, so naturally he would attract idiots like the Stormfront people.

RoamZero. Bud, if you listen to talk radio then you are aware of the time each caller gets. You have articulate a fact or opinion and support it with known fact or opinion...all in 30 seconds or less. There was no time for the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, no time for the Rothschild's family history...

...there was only time for one point, maybe two. I made two:

1. The rebuttal I stated above
2. Libertarianism, Austrian economics, and Classical Liberalism have been advanced by many, but the greatest contributors happen to be Jews...and the list is not short either

Going on and on about conspiracy theories on national radio will not work, will get you cut off, and please try this for yourself if you have any doubts about what I am telling you.


The only thing I would agree on with Medved is that Paul did a poor job distancing himself from these people, but he didn't do that as result of sympathy for the Stormfront movement but out of principle.

RoamZero:

You are wrong. Ron Paul riduculed a donar while saying he was going to keep the money given to him...stating that the money would be better used on his campaign than by the white supremacist. If you have not noticed, Ron does not directly mock or ridicule...and for him to do so to the white supremacist dickhead is somewhat out of his character...Ron handled it perfectly, he knows how to handle the media and fringe groups better than you or I do.


As a fellow Republican, and considering the position the Republicans are in now, Medved should by all rights be doing everything he can to support fellow Republicans, and mentioning an issue like the Stormfront problem without fully explaining it only hurts.

Totally agree! :D

[RSLudlum]

This 2007 article by Aaron Zelman of "Jews For The Presevation of Firearms Ownership" might clear things up a little bit ;)



excerpt: A Personal Message from Aaron Zelman

Apparently there's a small handful, out there, of similar [white supremist] websites which, for some reason defying all logic, offer support to a man who is, in fact, their mortal ideological enemy. Paul, as I interpret what he has said over the past 20 years, is for individual freedom above all other considerations. Obviously racists and neofascists are collectivists, meaning that to them, it is the group that comes first, far above and beyond the interests of any "mere" individual. They are, therefore, socialists of one stripe or another (never forget that Hitler considered himself a socialist), and the enemies of freedom.

"Nazi" is an acronym for "National Socialist Workers' Party".

Why these socialists should admire Paul is a puzzlement. But then, they are what they are -- racists and neofascists -- so none of their lunatic thought processes should be taken very seriously, nor should the object of their irrationality be held in any way responsible for them.


read entire article here: http://www.jpfo.org/alerts/alert20071120.htm

[Derek Johnson]

Is it possible to stick to the fucking REQUEST at the beginning of this thread? How did this get off on icecube and how cute he is? Do you people really not care about the issue reported in the OP?


No fucking shit pacelli! Numbers please!

Give me the fucking numbers y'all side-tracking mofos!


Sheesh, A.D.D. or something.

[Derek Johnson]

Medved has his reasons for bashin RP, he's at times a tool of war crazy necons and has been tied to mega crooks like Abrmoff:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Michael+Medved+Abramoff&btnG=Search


Why should RP supporters waste much time on crap he has to sell..I'm afarid we're giving attention to wrong distraction here.

Liberty Star, I'll be nice to you, and try to exert restraint and show patience. But man are you a sheep or what? Say ba'a'a'a. Say it damn it! Michael Medved suggested to about 1,000,000 people [give or take] that Ron Paul support is essentially the evil that perpitrated the horrible murder in the holocaust museum.

If your willing to bend over and take that proverbial, metaphorical abrogation of all things decent, then you can [fucking] be afarid [sic] that "we're" [don't lump me in please, I didn't serve this country to re-enter the civilian world as a pussy] giving attention to wrong distraction here."

Look, I didn't bring this shit up, Medved did. He did it about 5 minutes before the brave guard died [God bless his soul].

That disgusted me on many levels, and I let Medved know that:

1. I didn't appreciate it
2. he was wrong for doing it
3. his charge was intellectual dishonesty and essentially the smear was pure propaganda for the weak minded
4. he should apologize to his audience and Ron Paul
5. we Ron Paulers are correct on economic theory because of some fine FINE Jews

While you worry about "giving attention to wrong distraction here" Liberty Star, I'll fight back thank you very much

[Derek Johnson]

This 2007 article by Aaron Zelman of "Jews For The Presevation of Firearms Ownership" might clear things up a little bit ;)

Aaron Zelman rocks :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

[Liberty Star]

DJ,
Perhaps I didn't take time to make my point or read yours fully and I'm surprised that that shmuck has 1 million listeners. I see that you actually are more involved in trying to correct talking heads false propaganda than just merely seeking apology on a forum, after reading your whole post and your rational argument with Hannity, I think my above short response was bit misplaced.

I am of the view that we're past the stage of seeking apologies from known commoditie neocon tools in media. If they correct their approach, it's productive exercise; if they just get ratings by "playing" ever growing RP and Libertarian base, then there may be better options like just exposing their record/agenda/discrediting them and moving on.

We may have a different perspective here. If someone like Cheney bashed RP, would I be offended , no. Tools like Beck, Hannity and this guy medved are not much different. But if interacting with these idiots gets message out, more power to you and hope many more join in this effort.

[RoamZero]

You are wrong. Ron Paul riduculed a donar while saying he was going to keep the money given to him...stating that the money would be better used on his campaign than by the white supremacist. If you have not noticed, Ron does not directly mock or ridicule...and for him to do so to the white supremacist dickhead is somewhat out of his character...Ron handled it perfectly, he knows how to handle the media and fringe groups better than you or I do.

Even though the reasons for holding onto the donations were sound to me, it's impossible to deny the way the mainstream press spun it ( see the headline http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22331091/ ). Would it have been better, in the greater scheme of winning over supporters, to mimic Reagan and return the money? I think it's possible, so some of the criticisms for how he handled the situation are understandable in my eyes. But hindsight is 20/20.

And Ive heard Medved carry over callers for a few minutes at times, but I guess that's a crapshoot since he's in complete control and can hangup on you on a whim. Having never called in all I can say is that you did a better job than I could have :p

My main point however is for those that DO choose to call the next time he brings up the issue, is be prepared for him spewing the "Not all Ron Paul supporters are Neonazis but nearly all Neonazis are Ron Paul supporters!, It's 100% fact!" rebuttle. If you have the opportunity try and ask him why he needs to bring up the connection at all without fully explaining the truthful context, and why he never hesitates to bring up that connection whenever anything even remotely stormfront related makes the headlines, especially in an environment where he should be helping fellow Republicans.

[Chieftain1776]

Would it have been better, in the greater scheme of winning over supporters, to mimic Reagan and return the money? I think it's possible, so some of the criticisms for how he handled the situation are understandable in my eyes. But hindsight is 20/20.

Yeah this is a strategic question. In politics Republicans run into the same question on prominent issues like the Sotomayer confirmation... i.e. "Can we call her on the racist statement she made or will the liberal media spin it as anti- Hispanic"

It's controversial but I think we lose when we play the game of "disassociation" because it allows the Left wing media to define who is "respectable". It's gotten so bad that cutting taxes is considered "racism":

Rangel, who is black, has a long history of levying charges of racism against his political and ideological adversaries. For example, when the Republican-led Congress pushed for tax relief in 1994, Rangel denounced the plan as a form of modern-day racism. "It's not 'spic' or '******' anymore," he raged. "[Instead,] they say, 'Let's cut taxes.'"

Similarly, when Republicans sought to reform a bloated and abused welfare system through budget cuts, Rangel remonstrated that the planned reforms were beneath even the standards of Nazi Germany: "Hitler wasn't even talking about doing these things," he insisted.
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2085

The more we play the game on their terms the more we let them shape our message and politics. Ron Paul I think handled it well by basically saying "I believe in freedom and anyone who supports that agenda can donate. My views are shaped by long held principles. That's it". He even got the bigot to say "We know he's not a white supremacist"

I, for example, wouldn't allow some of the people on this forum into my house. Same goes the guys like "Revs" Hagee and Pat Robertson who are just as nutty, have more followers, but have Guiliani and McCain show up at their churches!. Since this isn't a social movement but a political one I won't refuse their help in mutual political goals.

Even the NYTimes realizes this:

"Paul never deals in disavowals or renunciations or distancings, as other politicians do. In his office one afternoon in June, I asked about his connections to the John Birch Society. “Oh, my goodness, the John Birch Society!” he said in mock horror. “Is that bad? I have a lot of friends in the John Birch Society. They’re generally well educated, and they understand the Constitution. I don’t know how many positions they would have that I don’t agree with. Because they’re real strict constitutionalists, they don’t like the war, they’re hard-money people. . .
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/22/magazine/22Paul-t.html?_r=1&pagewanted=4

I'm actually glad that crazies like "Rev" Jerimiah "Government created Aids" Wright and Bill "Blew up the Pentagon" Ayers are associated with POTUS because anytime someone makes the guilt by association claim they get it thrown back in their face.

Sorry Derek... still no numbers ;)

[Chieftain1776]

Isn't Scarborough a warmongering neocon?

Well I believe he unfortunately did support Iraq but felt he was duped by the "imminent threat". He's taken a lot of heat for criticizing the GOP foreign policy, for example he like did at CPAC. Mark Levin and RedStaters have taken shots at him as well for saying Colin Powell is more of a conservative than the Neocons on foreign policy.

Also he seems to be on board with Pat Buchanan's views on foreign policy and welcomed Ron Paul on his show to talk about the wrongheadedness of WWI, Korea, Vietnam, Gulf I and Gulf II... which is "radical" for today's debate. He's had RP on several times. So I think he's sympathetic at the very least.

We'll see how consistent he can stick to his "restrained foreign policy" beliefs from now on.

[Derek Johnson]

DJ,
Perhaps I didn't take time to make my point or read yours fully and I'm surprised that that shmuck has 1 million listeners. I see that you actually are more involved in trying to correct talking heads false propaganda than just merely seeking apology on a forum, after reading your whole post and your rational argument with Hannity, I think my above short response was bit misplaced.

I am of the view that we're past the stage of seeking apologies from known commoditie neocon tools in media. If they correct their approach, it's productive exercise; if they just get ratings by "playing" ever growing RP and Libertarian base, then there may be better options like just exposing their record/agenda/discrediting them and moving on.

We may have a different perspective here. If someone like Cheney bashed RP, would I be offended , no. Tools like Beck, Hannity and this guy medved are not much different. But if interacting with these idiots gets message out, more power to you and hope many more join in this effort.

Cool, thanks. The timing of it was an opportunity that Medved just couldn't pass on. I didn't plan to call the show, I just happened to be on the road...and BOOM!

I know Michael well, and his manipulation of so many opinions pisses me off. One minute he's talking about this horrible DC event, the next he says "oh, btw, all Stormfront dicks are Ron Paul supporters....and the security officer just died...this portion of show is brought to you by 'Mathnasium...1-800-222......"

AAARRRRGGGG!!!

[specsaregood]

You are wrong. Ron Paul riduculed a donar while saying he was going to keep the money given to him...stating that the money would be better used on his campaign than by the white supremacist. If you have not noticed, Ron does not directly mock or ridicule...and for him to do so to the white supremacist dickhead is somewhat out of his character...Ron handled it perfectly, he knows how to handle the media and fringe groups better than you or I do.


I know a lot of people disagreed with Ron Paul's position here; but my experience shows that he was correct. While going door to door we came across a black lady. As soon as she saw us and our Ron Paul shirts she got excited and asked us to come inside. She led us to her computer where she pulled up the video of him saying what you stated above (I think it was a CNN interview) and she played it and loved it! She said, "That man is exactly right! Why should he give the money back to racists so that they can promote racism with it? Keep their money!" --not an exact quote was a while ago, but that was the gist of it. She ended up taking a couple bumper stickers and putting a Ron Paul sign in her yard.

[Derek Johnson]

Even though the reasons for holding onto the donations were sound to me, it's impossible to deny the way the mainstream press spun it ( see the headline http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22331091/ ). Would it have been better, in the greater scheme of winning over supporters, to mimic Reagan and return the money? I think it's possible, so some of the criticisms for how he handled the situation are understandable in my eyes. But hindsight is 20/20.

And Ive heard Medved carry over callers for a few minutes at times, but I guess that's a crapshoot since he's in complete control and can hangup on you on a whim. Having never called in all I can say is that you did a better job than I could have :p

My main point however is for those that DO choose to call the next time he brings up the issue, is be prepared for him spewing the "Not all Ron Paul supporters are Neonazis but nearly all Neonazis are Ron Paul supporters!, It's 100% fact!" rebuttle. If you have the opportunity try and ask him why he needs to bring up the connection at all without fully explaining the truthful context, and why he never hesitates to bring up that connection whenever anything even remotely stormfront related makes the headlines, especially in an environment where he should be helping fellow Republicans.

First point, I like Ron because he does have a steel spine...and he plays politics by his rules. His lack of fear in the political world is amazing, and he only gets away with it because he's right on viturally all positions.

2nd & 3rd, yes Medved will give you a long rope if he thinks it's engaging or you will hang yourself...in which he will slam the door on you and move to the next call.

In my case I assumed it would be a quickie, since defeating that argument with "sure, Stormfront dicks support Ron....all 100 of them" was too easy...and I wanted to get out that Jewish Europeans [since Medved is also playing the anti-semite card] and Americans lent a big hand in the Liberty, real money, free market Ron Paul movement. I sounded pissed, but I destroyed him completely...rightfully so, he was dead wrong. But I do respect Mike, he does not have a glass jaw [like Hannity, Oxycoton-ass, Levin, O'Reilly, Savage etc.]...he will trade punches without volume jockeying or delay outs. And this is why his neocon show is better than the other neocon shows...it's actually real, not orchestrated and coreagraphed.

[Derek Johnson]

I know a lot of people disagreed with Ron Paul's position here; but my experience shows that he was correct. While going door to door we came across a black lady. As soon as she saw us and our Ron Paul shirts she got excited and asked us to come inside. She led us to her computer where she pulled up the video of him saying what you stated above (I think it was a CNN interview) and she played it and loved it! She said, "That man is exactly right! Why should he give the money back to racists so that they can promote racism with it? Keep their money!" --not an exact quote was a while ago, but that was the gist of it. She ended up taking a couple bumper stickers and putting a Ron Paul sign in her yard.

LOL, hell yeah! I met an elderly black man when I was going door to door, he said 'dat da dude who want to legalize weed', I said "yes sir" [and before I could get a chance to get into that further] 'well, he good people den'.

It was great!

[Elwar]

One of the most linked from sites for the Obama Forum was stormfront.com

Conclusion: Stormfront and white supremecists support Obama.

[Brooklyn Red Leg]

While you're at it, you might want to leave a few informed and non-inflammatory comments here.

Dailymotion - Why Neo-Nazis Support Ron Paul - a News & Politics video (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3qwse_why-neonazis-support-ron-paul_news)

Just found it.

Ugh, I couldn't finish watching that, I almost yarfed all over my computer screen. That guy is an idiot.

[Derek Johnson]

Ugh, I couldn't finish watching that, I almost yarfed all over my computer screen. That guy is an idiot.

Wow! Lindbergh was not a Hitler supporter/advocate, he's distorting Lindbergh's hypothetical of prefering an alliance to Germany over the Soviet Union.

And jackass said he wasn't a neocon, yet was promoting mid-30s intervention...but there are too many flaws to list individually, I was amused...what a clown...."Ron Paul supporters hate JEWS, yes they do, yes they do". Oh sure they do....like Murray Rothbard [who helped Ron run in 1988], Aaron Russo [who was a probably the biggest Ron Pauler ever] or Aaron Zelman...check this out:

"Apparently there's a small handful, out there, of similar websites which, for some reason defying all logic, offer support to a man who is, in fact, their mortal ideological enemy. Paul, as I interpret what he has said over the past 20 years, is for individual freedom above all other considerations. Obviously racists and neofascists are collectivists, meaning that to them, it is the group that comes first, far above and beyond the interests of any "mere" individual. They are, therefore, socialists of one stripe or another (never forget that Hitler considered himself a socialist), and the enemies of freedom.

"Nazi" is an acronym for "National Socialist Workers' Party".

Why these socialists should admire Paul is a puzzlement. But then, they are what they are -- racists and neofascists -- so none of their lunatic thought processes should be taken very seriously, nor should the object of their irrationality be held in any way responsible for them.

Of course the ADL's real objective here is to force a candidate whom they see as their ideological enemy (once again, much more a matter of the eye of the beholder than of any character flaw their enemy may possess) to do a little dance for them whenever they feel like it. They want to push him through the ceremonial meat-slicer of renunciation, regret, and remorse that so many others have been pushed through in recent years. The trouble is that, like every other form of blackmail, it never ends. The instant he complies with their demands, he becomes their property, their toy, their organ-grinder's monkey, no longer a threat to the anti-Constitutional establishment they are part of."

Aaron Zelman
http://www.jpfo.org/alerts/alert20071120.htm

We hear you Aaron, and we stand with you.

[He Who Pawns]

Rand was not jewish, she was atheist.

Believe me, she was ethnically Jewish.

[eduardo89]

^^ Everyone knows Rand was Jewish, just because she later became an atheist doesn't mean she wasn't ethnically a Jew.

[Derek Johnson]

I actually ordered Joe Scarborough's newest book and waiting for it. From what I've heard from his morning show he going to have some choice words against the neo-cons. Unfortunately he buys the global warming tripe so we'll see...

As for Levin's book...I'll wait for it in the library instead of spending money on it ;)

Levin's book is ok, it's a pretty good book for leftists, overall, but the unsound economic positions Levin advocates and nation building / foreign interventionalism definately keeps this "best seller" from the big boys, like Block, Williams, DiLorenzo, Woods etc.

[Derek Johnson]

YouTube - Michael Medved Uses Holocaust Museum Murder to Smear Ron Paul !! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4IBOd8iueU)

Thanks for your help everyone, I used the material you gave me...and hopefully the false projection smear is clear and obnvious.

[TGGRV]

I'm part Jewish and Ron Paul is one of the few politicians worldwide that I respect. That being said...


This is something I found on Stormfront which confirms that Ron Paul and his message are not compatible with white supremacism....
Libertarianism is inherently individualist, racial thought is inherently collectivist. There is no compromise possible. Even Libertarian 'hero' Ron Paul points out this fact quite clearly, as he speaks of worshiping Martin Luther King and Rosa Parts, yet 'white nationalists' are duped into following this path regardless. You can't support a ban of interracial marriage and be a 'true' libertarian; you can't support marriage freedom and be a 'true' racialist. You could try to create some sort of half-hearted libertarian half-hearted racial state... but why? National Socialism stands for freedom of the folk, only those who oppose the folks' interest would have reason to fear a National Socialist government "oppressing" them. Personally, I'm fine with race traitors fearing my government.
What's the difference between the KKK and the New Black Panthers Party? None. As long as one will get a free pass from people, I will not mind the other one. As long as stupid shit like La Raza, the NBPP, affirmative action exist, I won't completely be against other racist organizations who are against "oppressed" minorities. I wouldn't support neither of these organizations, but I can't say that I don't understand them. For example, if I'd be rich, I'd make scholarships only for white males, even though I'm a woman. I'm also amused that blacks are far more racist than whites - look at how they voted for instance - yet whites get called for it. It's funny when you call out blacks for racism. So that nobody spins this in the wrong way, I have nothing against blacks as individuals. I treasure each individual on the beliefs and morals that he/she has. I judge a race by it's trends and average actions though and no, I don't hold the actions of their race against the individual, which is morally unsound.

[Derek Johnson]

I'm part Jewish and Ron Paul is one of the few politicians worldwide that I respect. That being said...


What's the difference between the KKK and the New Black Panthers Party? None. As long as one will get a free pass from people, I will not mind the other one. As long as stupid shit like La Raza, the NBPP, affirmative action exist, I won't completely be against other racist organizations who are against "oppressed" minorities. I wouldn't support neither of these organizations, but I can't say that I don't understand them. For example, if I'd be rich, I'd make scholarships only for white males, even though I'm a woman. I'm also amused that blacks are far more racist than whites - look at how they voted for instance - yet whites get called for it. It's funny when you call out blacks for racism. So that nobody spins this in the wrong way, I have nothing against blacks as individuals. I treasure each individual on the beliefs and morals that he/she has. I judge a race by it's trends and average actions though and no, I don't hold the actions of their race against the individual, which is morally unsound.

I'll summarize: collectivism. Mises and Rothbard helped define it, and thoroughly debunked it.

End collectivism.