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Galileo Galilei
06-05-2009, 01:06 PM
Which Revolution did the most to benefit human liberty?
1)
Scientific Revolution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_Revolution
2)
Glorious Revolution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glorious_Revolution
3)
Industrial Revolution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_Revolution
4)
American Revolution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution
5)
French Revolution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution
6)
October Revolution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Revolution
7)
Velvet Revolution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velvet_Revolution
8)
Ron Paul Revolution
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22ron+paul+revolution%22&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi=g10
9)
Some other revolution
List of revolutions
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_revolutions_and_rebellions
1000-points-of-fright
06-05-2009, 01:21 PM
The Evolution Revolution!
YouTube - Evolution Revolution (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmTmvBzNFY4)
Galileo Galilei
06-05-2009, 01:48 PM
The Evolution Revolution!
YouTube - Evolution Revolution (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmTmvBzNFY4)
That's not a real revolution.
CaseyJones
06-05-2009, 01:49 PM
Lets make it this one :D
Galileo Galilei
06-05-2009, 02:14 PM
Lets make it this one :D
good idea!!
krazy kaju
06-05-2009, 02:15 PM
I'll say the Industrial Revolution just because it forced many nations to liberalize their laws in order to allow more commercial freedom or fall behind the rising industrial powers.
Sandman33
06-05-2009, 03:28 PM
The one that produced the U.S. Constitution.
After that the Scientific revolution because it dispelled SO much hogwash cult bullshit.
heavenlyboy34
06-05-2009, 04:16 PM
It's hard to decide, but I picked French. I seem to remember that more tyrants were killed in that revolution than in the others mentioned. :cool:;) (I could be mistaken, tho)
Galileo Galilei
06-05-2009, 07:34 PM
I picked the Scientific Revolution, because you need truth before you can have liberty. Tyranny depends on deception and ignorance.
Galileo Galilei
06-07-2009, 04:46 PM
No votes for the Glorious Revolution? John Locke would turn in his grave!
Athan
06-08-2009, 10:44 AM
He wouldn't turn if he knew which choice was winning. Those who followed his teachings.
Kraig
06-08-2009, 10:56 AM
lmao the American Revolution is winning? What a joke. The American Revolution which lead to the most powerful country in the world dominating it's subjects through military force and and its winning?
disorderlyvision
06-08-2009, 11:21 AM
I picked the Scientific Revolution, because you need truth before you can have liberty. Tyranny depends on deception and ignorance.
I didn't pick the scientific revolution. Though it has made activism easier, and allowed people to network. It has also ruined privacy. You can be tracked and spied on with little effort. I am undecided on the cost/reward aspect of the scientific revolution. It has some positive aspects, but it has some very scary negatives aspects as well.
Galileo Galilei
06-08-2009, 11:51 AM
I didn't pick the scientific revolution. Though it has made activism easier, and allowed people to network. It has also ruined privacy. You can be tracked and spied on with little effort. I am undecided on the cost/reward aspect of the scientific revolution. It has some positive aspects, but it has some very scary negatives aspects as well.
At least the cave man had the liberty to swing his wooden club.
Young Paleocon
06-08-2009, 12:06 PM
It's hard to decide, but I picked French. I seem to remember that more tyrants were killed in that revolution than in the others mentioned. :cool:;) (I could be mistaken, tho)
No most that were killed were mostly innocent. It led to the Napoleonic Wars and the complete transformation of Europe after the Congress of Vienna. The traditional roots of French society were ripped up by the revolutionaries and a proto-communist government was attempted with price controls, a draft, the seizing of Church lands, and the total centralization of the country. Previously France wasn't that centralized under the Monarchy, at least compared with after the revolution and onward, because the Church had always held the Monarchy in check thus allowing for quite of bit of local governance. I also think Marx looked back to the French Revolution as the beginning of the proletariat uprising against the bourgeois. Just to show you where that revolution was at in the heart of the grand master.
Galileo Galilei
06-08-2009, 12:15 PM
No most that were killed were mostly innocent. It led to the Napoleonic Wars and the complete transformation of Europe after the Congress of Vienna. The traditional roots of French society were ripped up by the revolutionaries and a proto-communist government was attempted with price controls, a draft, the seizing of Church lands, and the total centralization of the country. Previously France wasn't that centralized under the Monarchy, at least compared with after the revolution and onward, because the Church had always held the Monarchy in check thus allowing for quite of bit of local governance. I also think Marx looked back to the French Revolution as the beginning of the proletariat uprising against the bourgeois. Just to show you where that revolution was at in the heart of the grand master.
Karl Marx was an opponent of the two most entrenched and anti-liberty power bases in France; the Monarchy and the Church.
Both were shattered by the French Revolution.
The problem with the French Revolution was that it was not followed up by enlightened leaders. The Americans followed up thier revolution with the Constitution.
Young Paleocon
06-08-2009, 12:24 PM
Karl Marx was an opponent of the two most entrenched and anti-liberty power bases in France; the Monarchy and the Church.
Both were shattered by the French Revolution.
The problem with the French Revolution was that it was not followed up by enlightened leaders. The Americans followed up thier revolution with the Constitution.
The problem with the French Revolution is that it's leaders thought they could remake the world and destroy the institutions such as the monarchy and the Church and replace them with a cult of reason that they would lead. They thought they were "enlightened". They were Rousseauian to the fullest and attempted to uproot society and replace it with the state. Though we may disagree with those institutions that were uprooted we must also recognize how they had been a part of French life and how their immediate eradication would lead to a massive vacuum which has led France into it's tumultuous modern history. Not saying that just those two things destruction caused Frances troubles, but that couple with all of the other aspects of the Revolution along with what followed has led it to where it is today.
Galileo Galilei
06-08-2009, 12:32 PM
The problem with the French Revolution is that it's leaders thought they could remake the world and destroy the institutions such as the monarchy and the Church and replace them with a cult of reason that they would lead. They thought they were "enlightened". They were Rousseauian to the fullest and attempted to uproot society and replace it with the state. Though we may disagree with those institutions that were uprooted we must also recognize how they had been a part of French life and how their immediate eradication would lead to a massive vacuum which has led France into it's tumultuous modern history. Not saying that just those two things destruction caused Frances troubles, but that couple with all of the other aspects of the Revolution along with what followed has led it to where it is today.
The problem with the French Revolution was that all the national power was concentrated into a uni-cameral legislature, much like the Article of Confederation.
A uni-cameral legislature does not adaquetly represent society and is ripe for corruption and demagogery.
Nor did the National Assembly have an independent judiciary, or an independent executive, or checks and balances between them.
It did have a bill-of-rights, but the bill-of-rights were merely paper rights, with no teeth.
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