Obama:"Holy Quran Tells Us Be Conscious of God and SpeaK Always the Truth"

[Liberty Star]

I didn't believe AP story till I saw the video clip:


YouTube - Moslem Obama Reads Quran , Appreciates Islam and Turkey (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoQkMHg_oWg)



"The Holy Quran tells us, 'Mankind, we have created you male and a female. And we have made you into nations and tribes so that you may know one another,'" Obama said in the Cairo address.

Obama also referred to a miracle called al-Isra, or the Night Journey, a significant event from the Quran. According to Muslim tradition, an angel took the Prophet Muhammad from Mecca to Jerusalem and the heavens, where Muhammad prayed with the prophets, including Moses and Jesus. Obama noted the al-Isra story in the speech when addressing the future of Jerusalem, saying the city should be "a place for all of the children of Abraham to mingle peacefully together."

And when the first Muslim American was recently elected to Congress, he took the oath to defend our Constitution using the same holy Quran that one of our founding fathers, Thomas Jefferson, kept in his personal library.


On the key issue of Israeli settlements in the West Bank, Mr Obama said "there can be no progress towards peace without a halt to such construction".

After the speech, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu summoned ministers to a special meeting and ordered aides and officials not to comment until a government statement was released.




I had read that Obama's daddy was an African arab muslim but is he himself into Islamic religion ( not that it matters) ? This is incredible for a US president elected just after operation Iraqi freedom that many pro war evangelicals hoped would spread Jesus' preachings in the mideast and the world. Instead now we have a US President and our military's commander-in-chief praising Allah and Mohammed's Quranic teachings in mideast?


This begs the question, is Obama actually a good apology to the world from American voters and a suitable punishment for war monger/neocon crowd in America?

Even if American voters elected son of an African arab Muslim man for this apology/punishment combo message, isn't there a risk that there could be significant collateral damage and many innocent Americans could also get hurt if he brung about socialist overtake of US businesses, massive spending on welfare/wealth redistrubtion schemes and destroyed free economic enterprise that has been a hallmark of American capitalism since way before Iraqi freedom war?

What say you.

[FSP-Rebel]

I say OB is a crapshoot and I heartily favor secession. Pick a state that has the potential to do so, move there and help the cause.

[Liberty Star]

I say OB is a crapshoot and I heartily favor secession. Pick a state that has the potential to do so, move there and help the cause.


Personally idea of "secession" in the middle of this battle of ideas in America does not appeal to me, it's sort of like giving them free reign and an easy win.

[Liberty Star]

This linked video is interesting. Although source is holy land based memritv that is known for anti arab and pro occupation bias, did Libyan leader just say what he said about Obama's faith?

YouTube - Gaddafi Endorses Obama (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7xjcuCuCtI)

[TurtleBurger]

I don't care if he quotes Satan, if it keeps them from shooting at us and us from shooting at them.

[bubbleboy]

Satan wants to kill you.

[FSP-Rebel]

Liberty Star, I'm insulted that you'd think that I was in favor of bush et all plundering amerikans. (smiling, giving you a hard time) Anyway, what are we suppose to do to temper OB's language?

[Liberty Star]

I don't care if he quotes Satan, if it keeps them from shooting at us and us from shooting at them.

It's too early to tell but if he actually succeeded in abolishing Israeli occupation over arabs and their land, he may actually bring us to a reasonable cease fire with them that you alluded to. But it's too early to know that.

[Liberty Star]

Liberty Star, I'm insulted that you'd think that I was in favor of bush et all plundering amerikans. (smiling, giving you a hard time) Anyway, what are we suppose to do to temper OB's language?

I guess didn't speak clearly enough, I took that opportunity to speak my mind on an entirely different issue relating to "secession" talk that is lately gathering steam in Bush's hometown Texas and few other states that also happened to be hung ho champions of Iraqi freedom till very recently. On second thought, I should have said it in proper context, I'll edit that as that can be misinterpretted by some as you did apparently. It was not at all directed at your comment.

[AuH20]

It's too early to tell but if he actually succeeded in abolishing Israeli occupation over arabs and their land, he may actually bring us to a reasonable cease fire with them that you alluded to. But it's too early to know that.

He's still in the pockets of AIPAC. Don't fall for this show.

[LATruth]

The title of this thread bleeds irony.

[Liberty Star]

He's still in the pockets of AIPAC. Don't fall for this show.

Like I said, it's too early to tell and actions speak louder than words.

But even Aipac knows the grave risks ahead if Israeli lobby lost its disproportional influence in money driven US political system. With conditions in US changing rapidly, there is small chance that radical elements of anti american lobbies are retreating in self-interest if nothing else. But bad people usually don't retreat voluntarily, so it remains to be seen but some of the recent developments are worth taking note of.

[AuH20]

Like I said, it's too early to tell and actions speak louder than words.

But even Aipac knows the grave risks ahead if Israeli lobby lost its disproportional influence in money driven US political system. With conditions in US changing rapidly, there is small chance that radical elements of anti american lobbies are retreating in self-interest if nothing else. But bad people usually don't retreat voluntarily, so it remains to be seen but some of the recent developments are worth taking note of.

In the fall at an AIPAC conference, Obama pledged 30 billion to Israel and he has followed through with that statement. Also, don't forget that his DOJ dropped the esponiage charges on the two AIPAC lobbyists. This speech is in essence Obama being Obama, in that it's filled with John Lennon inspired imagery but short on reality. While the US is terrorizing Pakistan, Obama is VERBALLY acquiescing to the Muslim world. I find the irony hilarious.

[Liberty Star]

In the fall at an AIPAC conference, Obama pledged 30 billion to Israel and he has followed through with that statement. Also, don't forget that his DOJ dropped the esponiage charges on the two AIPAC lobbyists. This speech is in essence Obama being Obama, in that it's filled with John Lennon inspired imagery but short on reality. While the US is terrorizing Pakistan, Obama is VERBALLY acquiescing to the Muslim world. I find the irony hilarious.

These are compelling arguments. Obama is a shrewed politician and an opportunist, that probably goes more for his handlers. When he spoke in front of aipac, he told them basically "Jerusalem belongs to you" and then in next breath he back peddeled. All his fickle performace considered, just in symbolisms and in words there are some encouraging signs. He's pissing off anti freedom radical neocons in holy land also, that's not a bad start for early months of a Presidency.





Obama's Cairo speech signals end of the 9/11 era

By Akiva Eldar

Tags: Settlements, Israel News


If Barack Obama fulfills even some of the promises he made during his important address in Cairo Thursday, June 4, 2009 will be remembered in world history as the last day of the 9/11 era. Instead of a clash of civilizations, we will have a dialogue of cultures. Instead of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict being pushed to the sidelines of the struggle against Islamic terrorism, we will get a Palestinian state in the 1967 borders, with agreed territorial adjustments, and normalized relations between Israel and the Arab states. Instead of a balance of nuclear terror between Iran and Israel, both of them will be signatories in good standing of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.


http://www.haaretz.com/hasite/images/iht_daily/D030609/248obama22.jpg

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1090535.html

In spite of everything else, if he changed his ways and managed to stand up to extremists on holy land issue and created free vibrant Palestinian state right on the 67 borders demolishing settlements there, that would be a good compensation of all the blunders of previous Clinton/Bush regimes.

[Theocrat]

If Obama thinks he can persuade the Islamic world to stop practicing jihad (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/), he is truly deluded. He is not the messiah of world peace, so he needs to stop acting like it.

[BenIsForRon]

Come on guys. You know Obama is just playing politics. He's not trying to install some Islamist government or whatever crazy idea you have in your head...

These forums are slowly going to shit.

[LATruth]

Come on guys. You know Obama is just playing politics. He's not trying to install some Islamist government or whatever crazy idea you have in your head...

These forums are slowly going to shit.

You love Obama don't you?

[idiom]

If Obama thinks he can persuade the Islamic world to stop practicing jihad (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/), he is truly deluded. He is not the messiah of world peace, so he needs to stop acting like it.

So you are saying Governments can't lead people away from being devoutly religious?

[BucksforPaul]

Hello Theocrat,

Lets discuss some facts: Jihad is an Arabic word. Hopefully I would not have to prove this apparent FACT to the few geniuses that inhabit this board. I ask each and every one of you to show me the Arabic definition of this word to be "holy war" as the corporate media so often repeats. Parroting lies repeatedly does not make it a fact especially on this forum.

Let me define this word for the ignorant.

Jihad: To strive or to struggle, specifically an inner struggle against one's own evil. The greatest form of jihad is to serve one's parents. When a student prepares for his exam he is in fact doing jihad. When a person gives a 100% at his or her job then that person is doing jihad. When liberty lovers support Ron Paul with all their might they in fact are committing jihad. But hey who gives a damn for real definitions of words when we have the establishments' mouthpieces perpetrating lies in order to advance their agenda.

I have been patiently reading your bullshit here for some time now hoping that truth may rub off on you eventually, but it is obvious that you have no capacity to open your eyes. Your drivel belongs on the Neo-Nazi, I mean Neo-Con sites, but not here.

[Hiki]

Hello Theocrat,

Lets discuss some facts: Jihad is an Arabic word. Hopefully I would not have to prove this apparent FACT to the few geniuses that inhabit this board. I ask each and every one of you to show me the Arabic definition of this word to be "holy war" as the corporate media so often repeats. Parroting lies repeatedly does not make it a fact especially on this forum.

Let me define this word for the ignorant.

Jihad: To strive or to struggle, specifically an inner struggle against one's own evil. The greatest form of jihad is to serve one's parents. When a student prepares for his exam he is in fact doing jihad. When a person gives a 100% at his or her job then that person is doing jihad. When liberty lovers support Ron Paul with all their might they in fact are committing jihad. But hey who gives a damn for real definitions of words when we have the establishments' mouthpieces perpetrating lies in order to advance their agenda.

I have been patiently reading your bullshit here for some time now hoping that truth may rub off on you eventually, but it is obvious that you have no capacity to open your eyes. Your drivel belongs on the Neo-Nazi, I mean Neo-Con sites, but not here.

True.. But I understand that Jihad mainly means that but it does also mean the "Holy war" ?

[Valene]

There is a common thread all over the internet that Obama has a love affair with his teleprompter and I believe the reason is that he doesn't write his own speeches. This is the guy that does at least on foreign policy:Ben Rhodes. This is who he is:
Rhodes launched his government career in New York City, where he worked for local politicians.

He moved to Washington in June 2002 to take a job as an assistant to former Rep. Lee Hamilton (D-Ind.), then president of the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars. Rhodes worked closely with Hamilton on several projects, including co-authoring the book Without Precedent: The Inside Story of the 9/11 Commission.

Rhodes also helped draft policy recommendations for the 9/11 Commission and wrote large chunks of the Iraq Study Group report.(2) He briefly composed policy speeches for former Democratic Virginia Gov. Mark Warner, who called him “one of the real rising talents on the policy message side.”(3)

Rhodes then joined Obama’s campaign as a speechwriter. He was one of Obama’s closest foreign policy aides, and one of only two international policy advisers who was on salary at the campaign’s Chicago headquarters.

He drafted most of Obama’s major addresses on foreign policy and helped fellow campaign worker Denis McDonough filter daily thoughts from over 300 foreign policy advisers into a coherent message.

I spent two semesters in college, in public speaking classes, and when someone spends that much time fumbling around the crib notes(teleprompter), it's pretty plain to see not much time has been utilized on the speech.

[revolutionisnow]

Dog and Pony show. Anyone who falls for this is delusional and hallucinating. Notice the portrayal of Israel and Jews as a victim once again even though they are the oppressors. Psychology 101: Do you people realize that when a father leaves a child they resent him and everything he was about?

[idiom]

Hello Theocrat,

Lets discuss some facts: Jihad is an Arabic word. Hopefully I would not have to prove this apparent FACT to the few geniuses that inhabit this board. I ask each and every one of you to show me the Arabic definition of this word to be "holy war" as the corporate media so often repeats. Parroting lies repeatedly does not make it a fact especially on this forum.

Let me define this word for the ignorant.

Jihad: To strive or to struggle, specifically an inner struggle against one's own evil. The greatest form of jihad is to serve one's parents. When a student prepares for his exam he is in fact doing jihad. When a person gives a 100% at his or her job then that person is doing jihad. When liberty lovers support Ron Paul with all their might they in fact are committing jihad. But hey who gives a damn for real definitions of words when we have the establishments' mouthpieces perpetrating lies in order to advance their agenda.

I have been patiently reading your bullshit here for some time now hoping that truth may rub off on you eventually, but it is obvious that you have no capacity to open your eyes. Your drivel belongs on the Neo-Nazi, I mean Neo-Con sites, but not here.

Odd. Mein Kampf also translates as 'My Struggle'.

[BucksforPaul]

Odd. Mein Kampf also translates as 'My Struggle'.

yes and in Mein Kemps Hitler claimed that he was a Christian so should we now blame all of Christianity for his actions?

[BucksforPaul]

True.. But I understand that Jihad mainly means that but it does also mean the "Holy war" ?

According to who? The propagandist media, the war mongers, the neo-cons. I ask again to show me the definition of Jihad from an Arabic dictionary where it means holy war.

[idiom]

yes and in Mein Kemps Hitler claimed that he was a Christian so should we now blame all of Christianity for his actions?

Obviously the importance is on how people interpret exactly the same text.

[Objectivist]

He also said he would "try" to speak the truth. WTF does that mean other than he's a lying POS.

[Theocrat]

Hello Theocrat,

Lets discuss some facts: Jihad is an Arabic word. Hopefully I would not have to prove this apparent FACT to the few geniuses that inhabit this board. I ask each and every one of you to show me the Arabic definition of this word to be "holy war" as the corporate media so often repeats. Parroting lies repeatedly does not make it a fact especially on this forum.

Let me define this word for the ignorant.

Jihad: To strive or to struggle, specifically an inner struggle against one's own evil. The greatest form of jihad is to serve one's parents. When a student prepares for his exam he is in fact doing jihad. When a person gives a 100% at his or her job then that person is doing jihad. When liberty lovers support Ron Paul with all their might they in fact are committing jihad. But hey who gives a damn for real definitions of words when we have the establishments' mouthpieces perpetrating lies in order to advance their agenda.

I have been patiently reading your bullshit here for some time now hoping that truth may rub off on you eventually, but it is obvious that you have no capacity to open your eyes. Your drivel belongs on the Neo-Nazi, I mean Neo-Con sites, but not here.

Wikipedia is your friend. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad) :)

[LATruth]

The term "Jihad" used without any qualifiers is generally understood in the West to be referring to holy war on behalf of Islam.[5] In broader usage and interpretation, the term has accrued both violent and non-violent meanings. It can simply mean striving to live a moral and virtuous life, spreading and defending Islam as well as fighting injustice and oppression, among other things.[7] The relative importance of these two forms of jihad is a matter of controversy.

Wiki backs the notion that it does not mean "holy war", that only westerners use it in that context.

[Hiki]

According to who? The propagandist media, the war mongers, the neo-cons. I ask again to show me the definition of Jihad from an Arabic dictionary where it means holy war.

Not talking about the word itself but it's meaning, and in Islam Jihad means both the personal struggle to be a better person and also the warfare side.

[Sandra]

What idiot uses Wikipedia as a reference? ANYBODY can add or edit the entries.

[Liberty Star]

If Obama thinks he can persuade the Islamic world to stop practicing jihad, he is truly deluded. He is not the messiah of world peace, so he needs to stop acting like it.


I think you're being influenced by neocon propaganda that is employed to justify elective wars spending and economic depletion of US. There has been almost no major militant "jihadi" group in recent history that was not fertilized and groomed by us or Israelis to use them for various agenda. Can you name any such group that did not have our finger prints?

Bush/Cheney recently funded and armed Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in Iraq and trained half a million strong army of Iraqi arab muslims. SCIRI is one of the most religious Shiite grous in mideast with high focus on martyrdom and elimination of Israel and has close ties to Hezbullah. 5-10 years from now when SCIRI allaince of Iraq/Iran/Hezbullah turned on Israel or god forbid on one of our arab allies, will you be blaming Jihad or our own interference?

Check out the first link that happens to be a wiki page:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=sciri&btnG=Google+Search

You may also want to look up Ron Paul youtube on how Israel supported Hamas and how Carter/Reagan supported Jihad of Afghan and foreign arab fighters few decades ago.