Did our Computer's just officially turn into a national asset?

[Jags~Beach]

"The networks and computers we depend on every day" are "a strategic national asset," and keeping them secure must be a top national priority, Obama said
USA Today (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2009/05/67408221/1)

Cyber Security looks to be the beginning of the next inquisition? Is this what they needed the 850 more FBI agents and all those hackers the government just hired? That civilian force that is just as strong and powerful as the military? Are we going to be considered a virus that needs to be terminated because our computer's are not being used in the best interest of the nation according the the government running it?

The government has clearly turned its war on terror from being an overseas contingency to being waged on the people according the DHS Office of intelligence and analysis that ignored to mention Islam when citing Christians and Jews in its last report, prior veterans where listed as potential terrorists.

Have the effort's of Mulims to take the world over: with inhumane barberic practices Islams which codify and legalize rape, murder and not to mention the worshipping of a stone, been transformed from an effort waged by ungodly terror too an effort that is upgraded to used Democracy against the west that is pushing it, by allowing an entire nation to be bought through democracy?

Did the greatest transfer of wealth in the history of mankind, just been used to buy the greatest nation in the history of mankind?

Could this be why Obama is on an apology tour around the world, embracing our former enemies and dictators while his administration has managed to accomplish a political polar shift to the point of making white people not only out to be "Cowards", while insisting that indeed a latino woman can do a better job than a white man.

All this victimization of those who aimed to do this nation a great deal of harm, and demonization of those who dare protect it, has me floored. Americans are now the Governments targets, while its true enemies seem to be more embolden than ever.

The president promised not to trample on the civil liberties of individual computer users. It bothers me to hear Obama make a promise, it seems that the only he makes them is to have something else to break besides the bank...

So how is that for making a splash around here, am I lost? :cool:

[phill4paul]

The Comp-u-Czars in town, A- whoa-oh .

[brandon]

wow ...I was listening to NPR an hour ago and some lady was talking about all the data the government has about our country and the people in it. She was saying how it is important that the government publish it's data on the internet because "The data is a national asset."

I guess some government pollster determined that "national asset" should be the new buzz word. "War On Terror" out, "National Asset "in.

[Carole]

Another nail in the coffin of free speech and another victory for tyranny. :(

These "czars" are accumulating way too much power and not answerable to anyone but our "leader-the new decider."

Obama even selects which car dealers get the "dictatorial" boot. :mad:

[Dieseler]

The internetz is fixing to get the jack boot.
I saw this coming way back there.

[Carole]

They fear Ron Paul. What will happen to this forum?

[jclay2]

I don't know why any of you could think of our computers as anything but a national asset. Think about it: Every time you use your computer, your produce a carbon footprint. Now, that carbon footprint affects each and every person in the country. Because everyone is affected how can the community not be in charge of it?

(Cough...Major Sarcasm) Its amazing that I pay thousands of dollars a year to my college institution to learn bs like this.

[forsmant]

The internet is a community thing. I don't come on here to talk to my wife's laptop. I come to harass young kids all across the country.

[AdamT]

Great 1st post. And welcome :)

[Jags~Beach]

Is it too early to write a novel about how Obama took over the world in the name of Islam by hijacking the democrats, democracy and socialism to the point of sending them crashing into the Whitehouse? When is this guy going to officially convert anyway? Do I have to wait until after he coverts to write it, what if someone beats me to it? Or just beat me to death for taking the liberty to speak my mind?

On the one hand, Obama demands Israel to halt settlements on the other hand he praises Palestine for its "great progress". Got to love the spin that has Zionist policy taking a backseat to Islamic poolicy.

This riveting drama is definately a tear jerker for Irael, while on the other hand making Palestinians feel warm and cozy. Does anyone else see anythiing wrong with this picture?

So what do you suppose the the odds are in vegas regarding whether Obama converts to Islam when he makes his Muslim speech in Egypt next week, he added Riyadh to his trip is this where he will actually convert, or does he just need to get his dictator hug fix, how long has it been since he has smootched with one?

http://bellalu0.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/obama-bowing-to-saudi-king1.jpg

[forsmant]

horrible second post.

[phill4paul]

horrible second post.

ROFLMAO:p:D:D:D:D:D

[LATruth]

http://bellalu0.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/obama-bowing-to-saudi-king1.jpg


"Yes, yes, 'beat it' is my favorite tune as well!"

:)

[hotbrownsauce]

Obama didn't start the rhetoric about defending computers and the internet. That started years ago... for example President George Bush used a signing statement on 10/16/01 (a month after 9/11/01) to make Executive Order 13231 law. The title of the order reads, "Critical Infrastructure Protection in the Information Age".

I believe the internet and computers are very vital to the infrastructure of the United States. See the 2 posts I made about internet security and Electro Magnetic Pulse for a little more information.
Internet Security
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=191811
EMP
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=190673

Sometimes I wonder why we use products to sustain our lives that can be shut down / destroyed at any time. If you read the EMP thread you would know the existence / probability is only a matter of when. Not a matter of if. A heavy enough radiation burst from the sun could take out our normal day to day operations as could a Nuke (both mentioned in the thread).

Not only do we have a realistic threat from the Sun (in which we have no foreknowledge because the radiation moves at the speed of light) and a country or someone with a Nuke detonating it in the right spot over the country. We also have a threat of cyber terror in the future. Not only will Middle eastern countries such as Jordan, Afghan, Iran, North Korea and the Palestinians not really be effected by an EMP because they haven't reached the digital age yet. When they do get more computer literate they can use DDoS attacks and back doors to infiltrate U.S. defense systems as they did during the Clinton years when Clinton bombed Kosovo. Or use China's example of "GhostNet" (? no one is sure if GhostNet is the government or a group in China).

What happened during Kosovo that infiltrated the U.S. systems?

Websites of the Department of Energy, and some National Park websites were hijacked. Denial of Service attacks clogged websites and forced the government to take down www.whitehouse.gov for 3 days. Attempts at hacking whitehouse.gov also helped the decision to close whitehouse.gov. E-mail bombs were being sent to overload government web servers. The attacks were very political, in essence to “Stop the war in Kosovo.”

I don’t think many steps could have prevented these attacks. There should definitely be more security for accessing services from an online source. There could have been more hoops to jump through (authentication process) or notification to an administrator if someone is logged into a highly secure account. Another option is that the U.S. government could have its own internet backbone completely land based, fiber optic and separate from the internet. Thereby eliminating the threat of spying by unauthorized parties through picking up signals and eliminating threats of DDoS attacks on important systems and or prevent system infiltration.

Government officials overall want to control everything, see everything, and tell as little about what they do as possible. With the court system the way it is it's only a matter of time until the internet is just as bad as taking a trip across town or a vacation. If it weren't for the general public's lack of education on the philosophy of freedom we wouldn't have these problems today. Even if we all did we still have to fight these monstrous corporations and media outlets that outright say they report what they want, how they want.

I fear that too many people are worried about the newest violation government officials have taken part in. So much so that some of us may forget that even though these events are important it is even more important to spread the philosophy and education of freedom and liberty. I use current events to keep peoples interest along with always changing how I say things and when.

[LittleLightShining]

Is it too early to write a novel about how Obama took over the world in the name of Islam by hijacking the democrats, democracy and socialism to the point of sending them crashing into the Whitehouse? When is this guy going to officially convert anyway? Do I have to wait until after he coverts to write it, what if someone beats me to it? Or just beat me to death for taking the liberty to speak my mind?

On the one hand, Obama demands Israel to halt settlements on the other hand he praises Palestine for its "great progress". Got to love the spin that has Zionist policy taking a backseat to Islamic poolicy.

This riveting drama is definately a tear jerker for Irael, while on the other hand making Palestinians feel warm and cozy. Does anyone else see anythiing wrong with this picture?

So what do you suppose the the odds are in vegas regarding whether Obama converts to Islam when he makes his Muslim speech in Egypt next week, he added Riyadh to his trip is this where he will actually convert, or does he just need to get his dictator hug fix, how long has it been since he has smootched with one?

http://bellalu0.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/obama-bowing-to-saudi-king1.jpg:eek: What about American policy?


horrible second post. Indeed.

Brown people "who worship a stone" are not the enemy. This is AMERICA for crying out loud. The fact that you're hung up on this in a place where we have freedom to worship guaranteed to us all is really sad. Please, turn off Hannity and take a walk.

[tangent4ronpaul]

Some guy that was like second in charge of COMPSEC at DHS was on C-SPAN's Washington Journal this morning. I sent the following e-mail, albeit, late in his turn and it didn't get read on air. :(

Dear Mr. Garcia,

First off, I would like to hear your perspective on Obama's
statement that you will not be monitoring the communications of US
citizens. This seems the height of hypocrisy considering the
wholesale monitoring we are currently undergoing via the NSA and FBI.

Secondly, why are you spreading fear about our water, sewer and
electric grids being vulnerable to Internet attacks? We both know
these networks are air-gapped from the Internet.

Quite frankly, the greatest cyber threat I see to US citizens is
government monitoring of everything from our e-mails to financial and
medical records and sharing of such information fairly loosely as well
as the wish to install an "off" switch to the internet - something
that will be abused at critical times via manufactured criseses.

Lastly, can we get rid of the czars already? A czar is someone
outside of the system, completely unaccountable to Congress and the
people.

thank you,

XXXXXX

(former computer security analyst/consultant)

[werdd]

Imagine the government forcing private PC owners to install their Asset Tagging software / DRM. All in the sake of security.

The way they are talking these days, it doesn't seem to far off. Anyone tech savvy knows that the whole hacking into a powerplant and blowing up the generator video is total bullshit. Anything that important / mechanized should not even be networked, and in any serious company would be a serious security infringement.

"Thanks for using the United States government operated security system. We are dedicated to your safety, and our national safety as a whole. Our software will ensure a safer browsing experience for everyone. Please hang on a few minutes while we embed your operating system with our software."

Every site you visit is reported the Federal database, they gather data on all of the words you type.

Nothing is really tin-foil anymore, anything could happen in these strange times.

[tangent4ronpaul]

Imagine the government forcing private PC owners to install their Asset Tagging software / DRM. All in the sake of security.



oh - but they already mandated that everyone with so much as a wireless router or better "access port" maintain records for 2 years and make them available to law enforcement. I mean lets brush under the carpet that many of these devices are incapable of collecting/keeping records. Remember - this is CONGRESS that is demanding this!

They don't need a to mandate installing software - they have had a back door into your computer for years (windows) and for other OS's - non-publicized exploits.

-t

[Reason]

have the effort's of mulims to take the world over: With inhumane barberic practices islams which codify and legalize rape, murder and not to mention the worshipping of a stone, been transformed from an effort waged by ungodly terror too an effort that is upgraded to used democracy against the west that is pushing it, by allowing an entire nation to be bought through democracy?



gtfo

[HOLLYWOOD]

The Comp-u-Czars in town, A- whoa-oh .
:D
YouTube - After The Fire - Der Kommissar (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Guvo7gUdUnE)

[heavenlyboy34]

"The networks and computers we depend on every day" are "a strategic national asset," and keeping them secure must be a top national priority, Obama said
USA Today (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2009/05/67408221/1)

Cyber Security looks to be the beginning of the next inquisition? Is this what they needed the 850 more FBI agents and all those hackers the government just hired? That civilian force that is just as strong and powerful as the military? Are we going to be considered a virus that needs to be terminated because our computer's are not being used in the best interest of the nation according the the government running it?

The government has clearly turned its war on terror from being an overseas contingency to being waged on the people according the DHS Office of intelligence and analysis that ignored to mention Islam when citing Christians and Jews in its last report, prior veterans where listed as potential terrorists.

Have the effort's of Mulims to take the world over: with inhumane barberic practices Islams which codify and legalize rape, murder and not to mention the worshipping of a stone, been transformed from an effort waged by ungodly terror too an effort that is upgraded to used Democracy against the west that is pushing it, by allowing an entire nation to be bought through democracy?

Did the greatest transfer of wealth in the history of mankind, just been used to buy the greatest nation in the history of mankind?

Could this be why Obama is on an apology tour around the world, embracing our former enemies and dictators while his administration has managed to accomplish a political polar shift to the point of making white people not only out to be "Cowards", while insisting that indeed a latino woman can do a better job than a white man.

All this victimization of those who aimed to do this nation a great deal of harm, and demonization of those who dare protect it, has me floored. Americans are now the Governments targets, while its true enemies seem to be more embolden than ever.

The president promised not to trample on the civil liberties of individual computer users. It bothers me to hear Obama make a promise, it seems that the only he makes them is to have something else to break besides the bank...

So how is that for making a splash around here, am I lost? :cool:

Welcome to the forums. What you are witnessing is the end result of generations of expanding State power and diminishing individual liberty. The heads of State no longer fear the citizenry because they have the heady delusion that "they are the law". I think a study of the decline and fall of Rome would be useful for you.

HB34.

[Mesogen]

So one of the Obamanuthugginest blogs out there says that "IT'S ABOUT TIME."

http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/new-pentagon-branch-fight-wars-cybers



New Pentagon Branch to Fight Wars in Cyberspace
By Susie Madrak Friday May 29, 2009 6:00pm

It's about time, since we've seen several successful hacks into top-level government computers lately. Of course, there's also something a little Big Brother-ish about the idea, too, since the feds will always find a reason to put us under surveillance if they want to:

And they quote the story, and highlight the part that says that they might "shut down the internet."


WASHINGTON — The Pentagon plans to create a new military command for cyberspace, administration officials said Thursday, stepping up preparations by the armed forces to conduct both offensive and defensive computer warfare - or even shut down the internet.

WTF?

Can you imagine if this story came out under Bush? These Obamacumguzzlers would be going ballistic.

The headlines would read "Bush to claim power to shut down internet."

But since it's Obama, they cannot let go of those nuts.

[n1x]

Well with forums like this they can't shut us down or try to keep us from talk with each other. :D





WTF?

Can you imagine if this story came out under Bush? These Obamacumguzzlers would be going ballistic.

The headlines would read "Bush to claim power to shut down internet."

But since it's Obama, they cannot let go of those nuts.
Yeah, whatever our dear leader the messiah says, we must follow. XD

[Jags~Beach]

:eek: What about American policy?

Indeed.

Brown people "who worship a stone" are not the enemy. This is AMERICA for crying out loud. The fact that you're hung up on this in a place where we have freedom to worship guaranteed to us all is really sad. Please, turn off Hannity and take a walk.

My major beef with Islam has nothing to do with those worshipping a stone, it is has to do with the Muslims who worship the stone insisting that those who don't worship it are infidels that deserve to be killed, killed mind you according to the scriptures in their Bible. In the end my major beef is not with the terrorists it is with the religion brainwashing them with evil inhumane practices.

Are we to acknowledge the horror and reality of this religion based by those who practice its diabolical message of hate and evil towards humanity, or by those who are merely asleep at the wheel in regards to honoring the diabolical message possessed by the Bible of the religion of Islam?

I firmly believe that we are on the brink of a political polar shift that is occurring in our society today, this has resulted in the mainstream viewing Islam through the lens of the Muslims who don't practice, rather than the Muslims who do practice the psychologically diabolical message contained in its scriptures.

It is astounding for me to see a polar shift in policy that has America embracing our former enemies as being the victims of American arrogance of which the world according to Obama needed an apology for, while simultaneously posing our former Zionistic and Democratic allies as the true threat to peace.

What is this world coming to when we have Obama going from saying America is no longer a Christian nation to saying America is one of the largest Muslim nations in the world, and Chavez saying he and Castro are more conservative than their left winged Comrade Obama.

How have we come to this? A position that has America moving in virtually a 180 degree motion on our scope of policy to view Israel, soon to be former ally of America, to posing as the true threat to peace rather than Islam which is at its core at war with the world for the world?

This is what happens when we view the scope of American policy backwards, rather than viewing it from the eyepiece we are seeing it from the mirror lens at the end of the scope. The mirrors have retrajectored the source of the smoke coming from the fires of the past, to having resulted from the allies still viewing the scope from the eyepiece.

Fact of the matter is, as an ally of Israel we are subject to being in the crosshairs of the world of Islam.

To be or not to be that is the question.

If we stop being an ally with Israel, will the world of Islam’s remove the West from their crosshairs?

If we stop being an ally to Israel, will the world of Islam be more emboldened to finish what they have started in their efforts to take over the world?

I fear that the threat, the world of Islam possess on the rest of the world with its efforts to conquer it, has subjected many in this nation into cowardly assuming that removing ourselves from being an ally with Israel that we would remove ourselves from being in the crosshairs of the world of Islam.

Have we reverted into an, ‘if you can't beat them join them mentality’ in regards to the threat Islam possess to the world? How have we come to the point of acknowledging that protecting Israel's sovereignty is the issue, rather than the world of Islam which is aiming to remove Israel as well as any other force that opposes it from the face of the earth as being the real issue being faced by Humanity?

Israel is not a threat to Humanity, however the fact remains that Islam is a threat to humanity by default of the message possessed at the core of religion's bible. The message at the core of Islam's Bible declares that its followers Murder, Rape, Lie and Hate their way into conquering the world.

The diabolical message of hate and evil, is it really the tone of a few Muslim radicals, or rather the extreme mantra possessed by the scriptures on which Islam is founded upon in order to prey on the fear of men to accomplish its sinister inhumane psychologically primitive barbaric tyrannical will on humanity?

Incorporating Islam into the daily routine of naivety we are forced to possess in a world were the demons in our closets are not welcome, is a travesty not only to humanity but the world we protect from the demons in our closets?

[Jags~Beach]

The new threat is only beginning to dawn on Middle Eastern regimes, long accustomed to tightly regulating the flow of information. Bloggers and online journalists have been imprisoned in Iran, Syria, Bahrain, and Tunisia. Several others closely monitor and restrict access to Web content. Media observers expect the region's bloggers to face growing intolerance from governments.

"In the Middle East, the mechanisms of oppression are already there, and the number of bloggers is growing," says Curt Hopkins, director of the eight-month-old Committee to Protect Bloggers. "There's going to be a convergence in the not too distant future with a lot of cracking down on bloggers."

http://www.commongroundnews.org/article.php?id=1046&lan=en&sid=1&sp=0

Being in dessent of this new government is looking to be a national security threat that will more than likely require the internet to be shut down so this new regime can have complete control of disinformation, in order to have complete control over the dumb masses like they do in other countries that restrict the flow of information to possess control of the masses.


WASHINGTON — The Pentagon plans to create a new military command for cyberspace, administration officials said Thursday, stepping up preparations by the armed forces to conduct both offensive and defensive computer warfare - or even shut down the internet.

It is just a matter of time before the internet is going to be toast, especially for those who are in dissent of this new regime, IMO.:(


FBI Uses Computer Viruses to Spy on Suspects

It's not only hackers who sneak spyware onto unsuspecting peoples' computers. The FBI does it too, and has been for years.

Heavily redacted documents obtained by Wired magazine under the Freedom of Information Act show that the FBI has been using software it calls CIPAV — Computer and Internet Protocol Address Verifier — for nearly a decade.

Agents lure the target, usually someone who's concealing his Internet Protocol (IP) address to mask his identity, into clicking on a certain Web site, which infects his machine with the CIPAV software.

CIPAV then "phones home" to tell the FBI the target's IP address, operating system and serial number, installed software, list of recently visited Web sites, registered name and a whole lot of other stuff that's whited out in the documents...


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,517322,00.html