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lynnf
05-27-2009, 09:06 PM
something tells me they won't be laughing much longer!
(although they want to wait another 120 days to produce it in court!)


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=99342

When asked by WND White House correspondent Les Kinsolving why the president, who has pledged transparency in his administration, would not release his long-form birth certificate to establish his constitutional eligibility for office, spokesman Robert Gibbs guffawed in unison with members of the Washington press corps about the concerns of 400,000 petitioners who have demanded it.

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lynn

anaconda
05-27-2009, 11:44 PM
(although they want to wait another 120 days to produce it in court!)


What do you mean?

lynnf
05-28-2009, 04:09 AM
What do you mean?

they claimed that they needed more time to pick which lawyer they wanted to represent them! do you think that you would get more time to decide which lawyer you wanted if you were in court? heck, no!


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=96452

'"This is enough time for them to answer. With an extension to June 21, 2009, USA and Obama are asking for 124 days and the Congressional defendants are asking for 117 days to answer. Court rules only allow them 60 days. Such delay is not in the national interest and not acceptable," he said.'


I posted this link in the long "eligibility case update" thread, with a different excerpt


delay, rope-a-dope, laugh it off, ridicule their opponents, that's all that we have seen from them so far. what does that say about their case?


lynn

Objectivist
05-28-2009, 04:14 AM
Why the need for a Lawyer if they have a legit BC?

Alawn
05-28-2009, 12:14 PM
They are just going to ignore it or forge a fake one

anaconda
05-28-2009, 03:15 PM
they claimed that they needed more time to pick which lawyer they wanted to represent them! do you think that you would get more time to decide which lawyer you wanted if you were in court? heck, no!


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=96452

'"This is enough time for them to answer. With an extension to June 21, 2009, USA and Obama are asking for 124 days and the Congressional defendants are asking for 117 days to answer. Court rules only allow them 60 days. Such delay is not in the national interest and not acceptable," he said.'


I posted this link in the long "eligibility case update" thread, with a different excerpt


delay, rope-a-dope, laugh it off, ridicule their opponents, that's all that we have seen from them so far. what does that say about their case?


lynn

Is there any reason to think that this particular case will get any better results than the others so far? What happened to the Alan Keyes case? I see it's being appealed...was it dismissed for some reason?

AuH2O
05-28-2009, 05:16 PM
Why the need for a Lawyer if they have a legit BC?

Careful, that's the kinda attitude that cops take with "If you have nothing to hide, why won't you consent to a search?"

lynnf
05-28-2009, 05:23 PM
Is there any reason to think that this particular case will get any better results than the others so far? What happened to the Alan Keyes case? I see it's being appealed...was it dismissed for some reason?


having to repeat myself (from another thread): our "justice" system is so corrupt that it is very hard to get justice at the lower level. judges repeatedly abuse the system, denying a legitimate case claiming lack of jurisdiction or lack of standing by the plaintiff. it doesn't matter why it was "dismissed" (which isn't really dismissal at all -- just an invitation to appeal) if it's being appealed. if a judge thinks he might have to make a decision that he won't like by following the law, these methods are easy to apply.


lynn

lynnf
05-28-2009, 05:38 PM
Is there any reason to think that this particular case will get any better results than the others so far? What happened to the Alan Keyes case? I see it's being appealed...was it dismissed for some reason?


having to repeat myself (from another thread): our "justice" system is so corrupt that it is very hard to get justice at the lower level. judges repeatedly abuse the system, denying a legitimate case claiming lack of jurisdiction or lack of standing by the plaintiff. it doesn't matter why it was "dismissed" (which isn't really dismissal at all -- just an invitation to appeal) if it's being appealed. if a judge thinks he might have to make a decision that he won't like by following the law, these methods are easy to apply.


lynn

dannno
05-28-2009, 05:52 PM
Why the need for a Lawyer if they have a legit BC?



The bigger question is why did Obama campaign spent HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS on lawyers to avoid the situation in the first place back during the election??

I mean, seriously.. is it really THAT big a deal to show your birth certificate?

lynnf
05-28-2009, 05:54 PM
The bigger question is why did Obama campaign spent HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS on lawyers to avoid the situation in the first place back during the election??

I mean, seriously.. is it really THAT big a deal to show your birth certificate?

it is if it's incriminating evidence!


lynn

lynnf
05-29-2009, 06:24 PM
Is there any reason to think that this particular case will get any better results than the others so far? What happened to the Alan Keyes case? I see it's being appealed...was it dismissed for some reason?



here's the latest on the Keyes case that I can find. did Obama default? sure looks like it!

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/



UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT, CENTRAL DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA (Southern Division - Santa Ana)
CIVIL DOCKET FOR CASE #: 8:09-cv-00082-DOC-AN
Keyes et al v. Obama et al
Assigned to: Judge David O. Carter
Referred to: Magistrate Judge Arthur Nakazato
Cause: 28:1331 Fed. Question Date Filed: 01/20/2009
Jury Demand: None
Nature of Suit: 440 Civil Rights: Other
Jurisdiction: Federal Question
Plaintiff
Alan Keyes PhD represented by Orly Taitz
Orly Taitz Law Offices
26302 La Paz, Ste 211
Mission Viejo , CA 92691
949-683-5411
Email: dr_taitz@yahoo.com
LEAD ATTORNEY
ATTORNEY TO BE NOTICED

Plaintiff
Wiley S Drake represented by Orly Taitz
(See above for address)
LEAD ATTORNEY
ATTORNEY TO BE NOTICED

Plaintiff
Markham Robinson represented by Orly Taitz
(See above for address)
LEAD ATTORNEY
ATTORNEY TO BE NOTICED

V.
Defendant
Barack H Obama
also known as
Barack Hussein Obama, II
also known as
Barack H Obama, II
also known as
Barry Obama
also known as
Barry Soetoro

Defendant
Condoleeza Rice
in her capacity as Secretary of State

Defendant
Robert Mueller
in his capacity as Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation

Defendant
Michael W Hager
in his capacity as Acting Director, Office of Personnel Management



05/27/2009 7 First REQUEST for Clerk to Enter Default against defendant Barack H Obama filed by filer-plaitiff Alan Keyes PhD. (Attachments: # 1 Affidavit Affidavit of process server)(Taitz, Orly) (Entered: 05/27/2009)



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lynn

Objectivist
05-29-2009, 06:28 PM
it is if it's incriminating evidence!


lynn

Maybe he was born a girl?

Jodo
05-29-2009, 08:14 PM
Yeah really funny... So anyone who "proves" their eligibility by posting a JPEG on a website can become President I guess? Pffff...

Pepsi
05-30-2009, 12:54 AM
U.S. Attorney Jeffrey Taylor just resing from Office. Could it have any thing to do with all the quo warranto requests or nothing to do with the Obama birth issue?


http://www.startribune.com/nation/46368977.html

anaconda
05-30-2009, 01:59 AM
here's the latest on the Keyes case that I can find. did Obama default? sure looks like it!

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/


Not sure what "first request of clerk to enter default" actually means in the big picture. Any attorneys here on the forum?

lynnf
05-30-2009, 05:17 AM
Not sure what "first request of clerk to enter default" actually means in the big picture. Any attorneys here on the forum?



here's what I found on the net about it:


http://tabberone.com/Trademarks/FederalCourt/filing/Default.shtml

If your opponent does not bother to answer the complaint you get to file for a default judgment. This doesn't happen very often so don't waste your time hoping. It's great if the other side never intends to fight it but it has its drawback. The default gives you pretty much what you have requested but it can be a weak victory.

Your opponent has 30 days after the default judgment is entered into the record. The judge's order to enter a default is not a default. The clerk must enter it into the record. Courts basically hate default judgments. If your opponent files a motion to set aside the default within 30 days it is very likely the court will set it aside. The courts use three crtiteria in determining if a default judgment should be set aside:


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so it won't be as big as I first thought, but it would still be huge. could just be a continuation of the delaying tactic, buying more time for them to forge a long-form certificate

lynn

lynnf
05-30-2009, 05:35 AM
U.S. Attorney Jeffrey Taylor just resing from Office. Could it have any thing to do with all the quo warranto requests or nothing to do with the Obama birth issue?


http://www.startribune.com/nation/46368977.html



it could be that he was booted because they wanted one of their own, one they could trust more, in there making those important decisions about the birth certificate issue, or he could have seen that they would be likely to boot him because of that, and decided to beat them to the punch.


lynn

Pepsi
05-30-2009, 10:39 AM
They are throwing it in every bodys faces. So I guest we now can be called anti semitic for asking questions about his birth becuse Payne, Obama's great-uncle, in 1945 helped liberate a sub-camp of the Nazi concentration camp at Buchenwald, which Obama will visit this Friday.


the Kansas-born grandfather with the outsized personality who helped to fill the hole in the future president's life created by the absence of Obama's Kenyan father. Sgt. Dunham's war years have been something of a mystery, the details of dates and places lost with the passage of time. The units that he served in were unknown even to the White House.

On this coming Saturday, the 65th anniversary of D-Day, Obama will visit the gravesites and beaches of Normandy, and look out across the channel that his grandfather crossed from a staging area at Southampton, England.

"I knew him when he was older," Obama said of his grandfather in 2007. "But I think about him now and then as he enlisted — a man of 23, fresh-faced with a wise-guy grin."

To the 75 men of Dunham's company, he was a good guy to have around.

For one thing, he taught the men how to use their new gas masks.

He also came up with a radio, games and books for a day room that Dunham's commanding officer described as "a swell place to spend an evening."

And when the 1830th had a party in the gym three days after D-Day, they had Dunham to thank for it.

On May 31, 1944, payday, Dunham had taken up a collection of 35 British pounds — about $150 in today's dollars — to finance the event. He lined up a convoy of girls from Southampton who, the men hoped, would be "simply smashing," as his commanding officer, Frederick Maloof, wrote in his diary.

"The party was a huge success, except that the beer ran out about 10:30 p.m.," 1st Lt. Maloof later reported. "All agreed that the orchestra was good. A few of the die-hards were still crooning over the empty beer barrels at an early morning hour."

For all the good times, the strains of war were ever present for Dunham and his fellow soldiers.

On the evening after D-Day, Dunham's unit dug 27 foxholes.

"This was done in case of a retaliation by the Germans," Maloof wrote.

On June 11, the first hospital ships returned from France, bringing tales of the "hardships encountered on invasion day."

That same day, Maloof wrote that "our mail has not been reaching home, and the wives and sweethearts are beginning to wonder if we have gone across the channel on the first wave."

The wives included Madelyn Dunham, back home in Wichita, Kan., with Stanley Ann, a toddler who would grow up to be Obama's mother.

Madelyn, the beloved grandmother known as "Toot" who helped raise the future president, did her part for the war effort, working the night shift as a supervisor on the B-29 bomber assembly line at the Boeing plant.

Her brother is part of the war story, too. Charles Payne, Obama's great-uncle, in 1945 helped liberate a sub-camp of the Nazi concentration camp at Buchenwald, which Obama will visit this Friday.

Stanley Dunham's older brother Ralph, another great-uncle to Obama, also is a branch in the wartime family tree.

Ralph was called up after Stanley enlisted. He landed at Normandy's Omaha Easy Red beach on D-Day plus four, then worked his way through France, Italy and Germany as an assignment and personnel officer.

In the months before the invasion, the brothers met up twice in England while on leave. Once, they came across each other by happenstance in London, where Ralph was staying at the Russell Hotel.

"I walked down the steps and there was my brother sitting on a settee," 92-year-old Ralph Dunham said in interview with the AP.

It turned out that Stanley's hotel had run out of rations and he was sent to the Russell in search of food. The two Kansas boys — each 6-foot-2, by Ralph's recollection — spent the rest of their leave together, touring the Tower of London, Buckingham Palace and other sites with a helpful taxi driver. At night, they sampled the London theater offerings. Ralph remembers they saw "Hamlet."

The brothers had a double portrait snapped to send home — after Stanley borrowed a jacket from a fellow member of the 9th Air Force so they'd both be in uniform. The February 1944 portrait is one that Ralph still treasures.

Late in July, six weeks after D-Day, Stanley Dunham's unit crossed the English Channel and landed at Omaha Beach.

"After looking over the Atlantic wall, with its pill boxes, we all agreed it was a miracle that the Allies were able to land," Maloof wrote.

In his autobiography, Obama reports that during the war his grandfather was "sloshing around in the mud of France, part of Patton's Army."

That's right, at least for a few months.

In February 1945, at Saint-Dizier, Dunham's unit was assigned to Patton's 3rd Army, and Dunham remained in that company until early April. Prior to February, Dunham's unit had supported 1st Army operations.

Obama sketches Dunham as a man with a wild streak early on who settled down to sell furniture and life insurance.

By the time he joined the Army, he already had lived large.

He'd been thrown out of his high school in El Dorado, Kan., for punching the principal in the nose. For three years he'd lived off odd jobs, "hopping rail cars to Chicago, then California, then back again, dabbling in moonshine, cards and women," Obama wrote in his autobiography, "Dreams from My Father."

Dunham had also fallen in love with a woman from the other side of the tracks — the good side — and married her. He eloped with Madelyn Payne just before the bombing of Pearl Harbor, on Dec. 7, 1941, and he was quick to enlist after the Japanese attack.

"He was really gung-ho," remembers Ralph. "He didn't have to go because he was married. He could have held off."

He was inducted at Fort Leavenworth, Kan., on Jan. 15, 1942.

That November, while Dunham still was stationed stateside, he got leave to come home to Kansas when his daughter, Stanley Ann, was born at Fort Leavenworth.

Her unusual name, Obama wrote, was "one of Gramps' less judicious ideas — he had wanted a son." The family called her Stannie. Later, she would be known as Ann.

In December 1942, weeks-old Stanley Ann makes her appearance as a dependent on Dunham's pay records. (He's earning $22 a month, with $6.70 deducted for life insurance.)

Dunham spent the first year and a half of his war service stateside, part of it in the 1802nd Ordnance Medium Maintenance Company, Aviation, at Baer Field in Indiana, now Fort Wayne International Airport. He transferred to the 1830th in March 1943, and the unit shipped out to England on the HMS Mauretania that October.

"All officers and enlisted men alike tumbled out of bunks and hammocks to get the last view of the good old U.S.A. as it disappeared beyond the horizon," Maloof wrote.

The rhythms of life for Dunham and the men of the 1830th emerge in the weekly unit histories recorded by Maloof. Men transfer in and out. There is field training. There is a lecture on mines and booby-traps, another on "sex morality." Typhus shots are administered. The company drills on the use of the carbine. The men take a 3-mile hike and bivouacked overnight. Time and again, they move on from one airfield to the next, supporting the front lines.

A number of men go AWOL. Others are charged with drunkenness and disorderly conduct. Dunham's name turns up with surprising frequency, but his conduct generates nothing but praise.

"Sgt. Dunham has been doing a good job as Special Service noncom," Maloof takes time to report in September 1944.

At Clastres in France, stoves are issued to each tent "as the weather at this base has been very cold." French classes are offered. At Juvincourt, it is worthy of note when a small shower is installed, heated by a boiler found in the ruins of an old building. "It is the best bathing facilities we have had since coming to France," the unit history states.

In October 1944, as the front presses forward, the men attend a compulsory lecture in the 367th Fighter Group area on "What to Expect When Stationed in Germany."

It turns out Dunham could have skipped that one. On April 7, 1945, one week before the 1830th moves on to Germany and three weeks before Hitler commits suicide, Dunham is transferred "to the infantry," the unit history shows. Further digging reveals he was assigned to the 12th Reinforcement Depot, based in Tidworth, England, where replacements were being trained for depleted combat units.

The war was winding down in Europe by then, with air superiority achieved and the Luftwaffe not a major threat. Ralph Dunham says his brother was sent back to the states to prepare for possible transfer to Japan in the infantry. Were it not for V-J Day in August 1945, "he would've been fighting in Japan," says Ralph.

Stanley Dunham's military personnel file was destroyed, along with millions of others, in a 1973 fire at the Military Personnel Records center in St. Louis.

The AP pieced together Dunham's war years from other records at the Air Force Historical Research Agency at Maxwell Air Force Base in Alabama and the St. Louis center, and with help from historian David Spires at the University of Colorado. The richest details, however, come from Ralph Dunham and the private papers of Maloof, who died in 2005. Maloof's granddaughter, Tamara Maloof Ryman in Houston, searched through page after page to pry out details about Dunham for the AP.

Four months after he transferred out of the 1830th, Stanley Dunham was discharged from the Army on Aug. 30, 1945, at Fort Leavenworth.

Obama tells the rest of the story in his autobiography.

"Gramps returned from the war never having seen real combat, and the family headed to California, where he enrolled at Berkeley under the GI Bill," Obama wrote. "But the classroom couldn't contain his ambitions, his restlessness, and so the family moved again, first back to Kansas, then through a series of small Texas towns, then finally to Seattle, where they stayed long enough for my mother to finish high school."

Wanderlust sent the family on to Hawaii, where Dunham and his wife would be central figures in the life of their grandson after Obama's father left the family. Madelyn died last year at age 86, two days before Obama was elected president.

Stanley, who called his grandson "Bar," died in 1992 at age 73. His ashes are inurned at the National Memorial Cemetery of the Pacific, commonly known as Punchbowl.

"It was a small ceremony with a few of his bridge and golf partners in attendance, a three-gun salute, and a bugle playing taps," Obama wrote.

That ceremony was 17 years ago.

But Ralph Dunham is reminded of his brother every time Obama's face appears on TV or in the paper.

"You know," Ralph says, "he looks exactly like Stanley. He looks exactly like my brother, only he's dark."

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=193925&page=2

Sandra
05-30-2009, 11:44 AM
here's the latest on the Keyes case that I can find. did Obama default? sure looks like it!

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/



UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT, CENTRAL DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA (Southern Division - Santa Ana)
CIVIL DOCKET FOR CASE #: 8:09-cv-00082-DOC-AN
Keyes et al v. Obama et al
Assigned to: Judge David O. Carter
Referred to: Magistrate Judge Arthur Nakazato
Cause: 28:1331 Fed. Question Date Filed: 01/20/2009
Jury Demand: None
Nature of Suit: 440 Civil Rights: Other
Jurisdiction: Federal Question
Plaintiff
Alan Keyes PhD represented by Orly Taitz
Orly Taitz Law Offices
26302 La Paz, Ste 211
Mission Viejo , CA 92691
949-683-5411
Email: dr_taitz@yahoo.com
LEAD ATTORNEY
ATTORNEY TO BE NOTICED

Plaintiff
Wiley S Drake represented by Orly Taitz
(See above for address)
LEAD ATTORNEY
ATTORNEY TO BE NOTICED

Plaintiff
Markham Robinson represented by Orly Taitz
(See above for address)
LEAD ATTORNEY
ATTORNEY TO BE NOTICED

V.
Defendant
Barack H Obama
also known as
Barack Hussein Obama, II
also known as
Barack H Obama, II
also known as
Barry Obama
also known as
Barry Soetoro

Defendant
Condoleeza Rice
in her capacity as Secretary of State

Defendant
Robert Mueller
in his capacity as Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation

Defendant
Michael W Hager
in his capacity as Acting Director, Office of Personnel Management



05/27/2009 7 First REQUEST for Clerk to Enter Default against defendant Barack H Obama filed by filer-plaitiff Alan Keyes PhD. (Attachments: # 1 Affidavit Affidavit of process server)(Taitz, Orly) (Entered: 05/27/2009)



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lynn

Actually, this has become a HUGE joke in the COLB blogosphere for what it's worth. Taitz was held in default for failing to reply to Berg's suit just yesterday. She sent her reply at what she thought was the last minute...TO BERG's OFFICE! Not the court, she didn't send anything to the court.... she blogged about it! but then claimed she never said what she blogged ( she didn't even have the sense to edit the blog entries to accommodate what she was lying about) . Now her former supporters are after her in a BAD way. Check out her blog.. SURREAL!

But better yet, she's attempting to do the same thing in the Obama case just a few hours later! Yiou can tell she's just copycatting what other attorneys do and doesn't have a clue.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/15873227/Request-for-Entry-of-Default-vs-Taitz

anaconda
05-30-2009, 11:50 AM
here's what I found on the net about it:


http://tabberone.com/Trademarks/FederalCourt/filing/Default.shtml

If your opponent does not bother to answer the complaint you get to file for a default judgment. This doesn't happen very often so don't waste your time hoping. It's great if the other side never intends to fight it but it has its drawback. The default gives you pretty much what you have requested but it can be a weak victory.

Your opponent has 30 days after the default judgment is entered into the record. The judge's order to enter a default is not a default. The clerk must enter it into the record. Courts basically hate default judgments. If your opponent files a motion to set aside the default within 30 days it is very likely the court will set it aside. The courts use three crtiteria in determining if a default judgment should be set aside:


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so it won't be as big as I first thought, but it would still be huge. could just be a continuation of the delaying tactic, buying more time for them to forge a long-form certificate

lynn

I still don't get it. Don't you have to show up to court? Don't they issue bench warrants for people that do not show up to court? Under this scenario, one could default for their entire lives and never be held accountable. If this tactic works, why didn't the tobacco companies use it? Etc.

torchbearer
05-30-2009, 11:52 AM
Maybe he was born a girl?

nothing wrong with a sex change. now that he is elected, he should be proud to champion that fact.

Bern
05-30-2009, 11:54 AM
... Taitz was held in default for failing ... Yiou can tell she's just copycatting what other attorneys do and doesn't have a clue.

Orly Taitz?

http://typo.graphr.net/images/owl-orly.jpg

lynnf
05-30-2009, 12:34 PM
I still don't get it. Don't you have to show up to court? Don't they issue bench warrants for people that do not show up to court? Under this scenario, one could default for their entire lives and never be held accountable. If this tactic works, why didn't the tobacco companies use it? Etc.


you don't have to show up for a civil case if you don't care about winning - this is a civil case at this time. bench warrant -- for a criminal case, again, this is civil.

can't defalult for their entire lives, eventually the court will give the win to the other side. for a criminal case, they issue a warrant.

lynn

anaconda
05-30-2009, 05:15 PM
you don't have to show up for a civil case if you don't care about winning

Then shouldn't there be a court order for Barry to go get the long copy? Isn't that what the plaintiff sought?

Dr.3D
05-30-2009, 05:45 PM
Seems the court could order the copy. A court order for a copy of a birth certificate would have to be honored wouldn't it?

Bruno
05-30-2009, 05:51 PM
No surprise (though disappointing) that he laughed this off. Same response as the legit question of marijuana legalization that he laughed off.

lynnf
05-30-2009, 06:29 PM
Then shouldn't there be a court order for Barry to go get the long copy? Isn't that what the plaintiff sought?




repeating what was put in message #17 in this thread:

here's what I found on the net about it:


http://tabberone.com/Trademarks/Fede.../Default.shtml

If your opponent does not bother to answer the complaint you get to file for a default judgment. This doesn't happen very often so don't waste your time hoping. It's great if the other side never intends to fight it but it has its drawback. The default gives you pretty much what you have requested but it can be a weak victory.

Your opponent has 30 days after the default judgment is entered into the record. The judge's order to enter a default is not a default. The clerk must enter it into the record. Courts basically hate default judgments. If your opponent files a motion to set aside the default within 30 days it is very likely the court will set it aside. The courts use three crtiteria in determining if a default judgment should be set aside:

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lynn

anaconda
05-31-2009, 02:51 AM
repeating what was put in message #17 in this thread:

here's what I found on the net about it:


http://tabberone.com/Trademarks/Fede.../Default.shtml

If your opponent does not bother to answer the complaint you get to file for a default judgment. This doesn't happen very often so don't waste your time hoping. It's great if the other side never intends to fight it but it has its drawback. The default gives you pretty much what you have requested but it can be a weak victory.

Your opponent has 30 days after the default judgment is entered into the record. The judge's order to enter a default is not a default. The clerk must enter it into the record. Courts basically hate default judgments. If your opponent files a motion to set aside the default within 30 days it is very likely the court will set it aside. The courts use three crtiteria in determining if a default judgment should be set aside:

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lynn

Well it's official. I am mentally retarded. I still don't get it. Thank you for trying.

jdmyprez_deo_vindice
05-31-2009, 03:06 AM
something tells me they won't be laughing much longer!
(although they want to wait another 120 days to produce it in court!)


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=99342

When asked by WND White House correspondent Les Kinsolving why the president, who has pledged transparency in his administration, would not release his long-form birth certificate to establish his constitutional eligibility for office, spokesman Robert Gibbs guffawed in unison with members of the Washington press corps about the concerns of 400,000 petitioners who have demanded it.

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lynn

I have had the pleasure of meeting Mr. Kinsolving on many occasions and he is a true patriot. I am proud that a man who I admire so much is showing the courage to stand up in public and question these jokers about what they want to hide so badly from the American public.

lynnf
05-31-2009, 09:25 AM
Well it's official. I am mentally retarded. I still don't get it. Thank you for trying.


well, I have a hard head and I'll still try.

1. this is a civil case, so no arrest warrants at this time
2. if there was a default, the judge has to approve the plaintiff's motion for the default and it has to be entered into the record before there is a default, and it looks like the defendant has 30 days to contest the default
3. apparently, if the defendant contests the default, the judge is likely to approve the contesting motion rather than allow the default to go on. (that probably applies triple since it involves the President of the US)

if there's anything else that I can explain, let us know specifically what it is that you don't understand.

lynn

lynnf
05-31-2009, 09:27 AM
I have had the pleasure of meeting Mr. Kinsolving on many occasions and he is a true patriot. I am proud that a man who I admire so much is showing the courage to stand up in public and question these jokers about what they want to hide so badly from the American public.

yes, and he also tried to birddog the Bush administration, so he's not just picking on the Bogus POTUS and his gang.

lynn

lynnf
06-01-2009, 05:46 AM
Open Government Brainstorm


http://opengov.ideascale.com/akira/dtd/3764-4049


Verifying eligibility to be president of the USA


Where is Obama's birth certificate and why is he spending all the money to keep it and his school records sealed?
I have to cough up my BC, my kids' BC's, death certificates... you name it, to navigate the gov't red tape.
So I ask... why doesn't Obama have to? Is Obama above us all?
Is Obama and his ilk 'special' ???
Obama not showing his real BC is a joke. Sorry, a photo-shopped BC won't get me past the DMV lady!!!

Why Is This Idea Important?
This is important because every person who won the presidential election has voluntarily shown his eligibility. Obama has not and is also fighting tooth and nail to have the records kept secret. That is not only non-transparent in spades, it's creepy, sneaky and slimy. Cough up the records! The longer they're hidden, the creepier this admin appears.


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lynn

anaconda
06-02-2009, 12:18 PM
well, I have a hard head and I'll still try.

1. this is a civil case, so no arrest warrants at this time
2. if there was a default, the judge has to approve the plaintiff's motion for the default and it has to be entered into the record before there is a default, and it looks like the defendant has 30 days to contest the default
3. apparently, if the defendant contests the default, the judge is likely to approve the contesting motion rather than allow the default to go on. (that probably applies triple since it involves the President of the US)

if there's anything else that I can explain, let us know specifically what it is that you don't understand.

lynn

Thank you for the kind response and offer:

1) What happens if Barry doesn't contest an eventual default? But simply avoids the situation.

2) What's to prevent Barry from engaging in a never-ending cycle of: evasion, contesting the default, and receiving an approval thereon. Repeat cycle. This doesn't sound like a very effective court. How is a plaintiff ever to receive justice?

lynnf
06-02-2009, 07:04 PM
Thank you for the kind response and offer:

1) What happens if Barry doesn't contest an eventual default? But simply avoids the situation.

2) What's to prevent Barry from engaging in a never-ending cycle of: evasion, contesting the default, and receiving an approval thereon. Repeat cycle. This doesn't sound like a very effective court. How is a plaintiff ever to receive justice?

1) he will lose a lot of face, which won't matter with the Obama shills, they will come up with some bs like "well he doesn't have to produce a birth certificate, he's the President!" (believe me, I saw it with Nixon and Clinton). also, the judge could declare Obama ineligible for the office of President, which I doubt they will do without a birth certificate so they just might say they don't have jurisdiction (the usual cop out) so that issue might be handled on appeal

2)nothing to prevent that. evasion has been what they've been doing all along, or haven't you noticed? no, there's no justice, the courts have been corrupted for a long time now, we seem to be getting what we deserve for not taking care of business all these years


lynn

anaconda
06-02-2009, 07:19 PM
1) he will lose a lot of face, which won't matter with the Obama shills, they will come up with some bs like "well he doesn't have to produce a birth certificate, he's the President!" (believe me, I saw it with Nixon and Clinton). also, the judge could declare Obama ineligible for the office of President, which I doubt they will do without a birth certificate so they just might say they don't have jurisdiction (the usual cop out) so that issue might be handled on appeal

2)nothing to prevent that. evasion has been what they've been doing all along, or haven't you noticed? no, there's no justice, the courts have been corrupted for a long time now, we seem to be getting what we deserve for not taking care of business all these years


lynn

That's what I figured. Let's go after the Federal Reserve, where maybe we can make a difference. Or, let's try to get RP to introduce a bill that says all citizens have standing in matters of the Constitution.

lynnf
06-02-2009, 07:57 PM
That's what I figured. Let's go after the Federal Reserve, where maybe we can make a difference. Or, let's try to get RP to introduce a bill that says all citizens have standing in matters of the Constitution.



don't put all your eggs in the 1207 basket - legislation has a way of getting thwarted - check out this recent thread on current legislation

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=194536


they have a way of offering you a choice of a watered-down version or ending up with nothing, most take the watered-down version.

lynn