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Andrew-Austin
05-27-2009, 06:18 PM
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I'll Never Retire
William Diehl

Before the mid 1950s, there was no "retirement" as we use the term today. A 1950 poll showed most workers aspired to work for as long as possible. Quitting was for the disabled. Life did not offer "twilight years," two decades of uninterrupted leisure courtesy of the U.S. taxpayer.

Just since 1960, the percentage of men over 65 still working has dropped by half. And the average retirement age keeps falling. It's down to 62, which gives the average man 18 years to be retired in its current meaning. It is not unusual to see people ending their careers in their mid-fifties.

This is one of the monumental changes in the fabric of society wrought by the government, that has so altered the integrity of the people.

As someone on a payroll until the age of 79, and now employed on a non-compensated basis, I came to see that I was regarded as something of a freak. Was I trying to set some sort of record? Had I failed to accumulate a large enough estate?

There seemed to be some feelings too that I was somehow un-American, and a poor reflection on a generation that is supposed to be enjoying the good life.

Observing my generation opt for leisure, I see all sorts of adaptations. One described his life in Florida as meeting the same three golfers on the first tee at the same time each day for nine holes, then lunch in the club house, nine holes after lunch, shower, gin and tonic, and then back to the condo to dress for dinner. When asked if this was the routine for every day, he said, "No, I help my wife clean on Tuesday."

This is what I'm supposed to aspire to?

Another friend, in answer, said "I sleep as late as I can because I don't know what to do when I get up."

The remark heard most frequently is "I've been so busy since I retired, I don't know how I ever had time for my job" or "Retirement is so wonderful, I should have retired sooner."

At this point it might be in order to ask--"Busy doing what?"

Many of those who retire at 55, 60, 65, or 70 are some of the most experienced, knowledgeable, and capable people in the workforce. Rather than occupying positions that might be available to younger people, they could be creating and expanding job opportunities for others.

There is a sense of self-worth that comes from working to a purpose that is essential to well-being, whether the task involves major responsibility or physical exertion, as both require diligence and daily attendance.

How did we come to this slough of despondency? Like so many of our present disorders, it was the siren call of the great white father in Washington: "Come unto me all ye who labor and are heavy laden and I will give you rest."

With Social Security, Medicare, and public pensions, the government has created a large new class of dependents who see no necessity to save or to accept responsibility for themselves, their offspring, or their parents.

As this fatally flawed scheme proceeds toward disaster, the beneficiaries are so insistent that their benefits be maintained and are such a strong political force, that few congressmen have the temerity to say publicly what everyone knows: payments cannot be sustained. Those who are working are paying benefits that will not be available to themselves.

Buddha on his deathbed admonished his followers to, above all, observe strenuousness. How strange that sounds in today's world. Our culture denies this essential virtue to our seniors, who have become dilettantes.

As we observe able-bodied citizens hiking the malls or sampling the midnight buffets on the cruise ships, we are struck by their purposelessness, and the overwhelming boredom they manifest. There is no need to arise in the morning, or any necessity to go to bed on time. Their reason for existence has ceased. They have lost the respect of those who support them, and lost their self-respect in the process.

A story is told of one who had led a long and eventful life. When the time came to cross the deep lake, he was pleased with the skiff and the oarsman as well as his welcome and the accommodations furnished him. The surroundings were beautiful, the weather pleasant, and the food more than adequate. After a few weeks, he wanted to try his hand at gardening again, but that could not be arranged. After repeated requests to work in the dining hall or on the grounds, he cried in exasperation, "This is no better than Hell." The reply came from above, "Where did you think you were?"

Irving Babbitt reflected on the nature of work, how it was seen in the past as a God-given calling, and indeed served to define a person. With the loss of vocation has come a loss of identification.

To remedy this loss does not require legislation or public awareness. The solution is within the grasp of everyone who has decided to continue to be productive. It often means a change in occupation. It may mean giving up benefits and accepting a lower wage, or no wage at all. But a reason for living, and a retention of identity, are surely sufficient remuneration.

I gotta say, either I'm easily convinced, or this old guy makes a good point about retirement. Not feeling so down about Social Security being defunct now, well its still annoying having to pay in to it but.. I kinda like working, I don't see a reason why this should change as I get older. I mean I may still want to retire eventually, but at least a ways past the average age that people do so.

Icymudpuppy
05-27-2009, 06:47 PM
An old family friend told me (a young middle-schooler at the time) "find something you truly love to do, and make a career of it. You will love your job, and will always want to do it. It will not be work, and because of your dedication and fulfillment, you will have all the money you need as you won't need to buy things to fill the emptiness in your life.

He was right.

I love my business. I make enough. I don't feel any desire to "Keep up with the Joneses". I don't want to retire. I can totally see myself doing my work until I am no longer physically able, at which time I'll probably die content with my achievements.

JeNNiF00F00
05-27-2009, 06:50 PM
I have a grandmother who is almost 80 and she STILL works to this day. She will never "retire".

nate895
05-27-2009, 06:50 PM
I never intend on retiring. Then again, I intend on being a scholar, which I won't work much to begin with ;)

Kludge
05-27-2009, 07:49 PM
Retirement greatly increases chances of developing Alzheimer's.

malkusm
05-27-2009, 07:55 PM
My idea of "retirement" is a secluded, self-sufficient plot of land out in Minnesota where I get most of what I need without money....keeping the money I have in case things break down.

I don't think I'll ever stand down intellectually, and I think I have enough passionate interests to keep me busy for a long time....whether people pay me for them or not, well, that's not my decision in the economy.

Andrew-Austin
05-27-2009, 07:57 PM
Retirement greatly increases chances of developing Alzheimer's.

I don't think it would be all that difficult to stay mentally/physically active in order to avoid this, no matter if one is retired or not.

I know that statistic is true, but I doubt the old people this statistic is applicable to have great excuses for their inactivity.

malkusm
05-27-2009, 08:12 PM
Also, I will add this:

The author writes: "This is what I'm supposed to aspire to?"

I say: You aspire to what you want to aspire to; but to most people, jobs are not the most fulfilling ways to occupy their hours on this earth. I consider myself very independent and, ultimately, I'd like to use my labor to my own benefit, rather than to contractually offer it to others. I don't think you can declare that anyone is a bad person for wanting to retire without saying that there is some moral attachment that each individual has to society, which is contrary to the basis of liberty.

Unspun
05-27-2009, 08:27 PM
My idea of "retirement" is a secluded, self-sufficient plot of land out in Minnesota where I get most of what I need without money....keeping the money I have in case things break down.

I don't think I'll ever stand down intellectually, and I think I have enough passionate interests to keep me busy for a long time....whether people pay me for them or not, well, that's not my decision in the economy.

I grew up in Minnesota. Why Minnesota? Other than the land there is probably the most fertile land in the country. I just don't find it very desirable considering the cold winters and hot, humid, and mosquito ridden summers.

stag15
05-27-2009, 08:34 PM
If you live a life style similar to our founding fathers, there is no need to retire. You live on a farm that is completely self sufficient and you let your kids take over when you get too old.

malkusm
05-27-2009, 08:38 PM
I grew up in Minnesota. Why Minnesota? Other than the land there is probably the most fertile land in the country. I just don't find it very desirable considering the cold winters and hot, humid, and mosquito ridden summers.

Believe me, you don't know anything about mosquitoes until you visit my old stomping grounds. Every person who wasn't from around here who has visited has basically been torn to shreds by the things within 24 hours.

Exactly, a lot of good fertile land, a lot of water to build on, etc. Yeah, the winters are cold...I can deal with that. (I enjoy skiing, but there's not a lot of terrain around those parts :p)

Unspun
05-27-2009, 08:42 PM
Believe me, you don't know anything about mosquitoes until you visit my old stomping grounds. Every person who wasn't from around here who has visited has basically been torn to shreds by the things within 24 hours.

Exactly, a lot of good fertile land, a lot of water to build on, etc. Yeah, the winters are cold...I can deal with that. (I enjoy skiing, but there's not a lot of terrain around those parts :p)

I'd prefer Montana. I lived there for a good chunk of my life as well. Almost equally cold winters, worse mosquitos than Minnesota, but I love mountains and lots of undeveloped land. Unfortunately, about 95% of it is owned by the federal government though.

Imperial
05-27-2009, 10:29 PM
Depends how far I get in politics and how much money I have and how much I have been able to help my family out.

libertarian4321
05-28-2009, 02:40 AM
Retirement greatly increases chances of developing Alzheimer's.

Correlation does not imply causation.

Kludge
05-28-2009, 03:02 AM
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heavenlyboy34
05-28-2009, 07:06 AM
I couldn't afford to retire, even if I wanted to! lolz...If I ever get too old for public performance and my usual work, I'll just do something else till I die. No social(ist) security for me, no sir!

moostraks
05-28-2009, 07:41 AM
The thing is being gainfully employed. BF father just lost his job of some 25+ years of employment and is now self-employed and trying to make a go of things in his early 60's.(Not an enviable position,imo, considering he has a mortgage to maintain,too.) With the government making artisan work almost impossible as an option with the fear of lead poisoning and the job market tight for the younger workers, not having people retire is only going to squeeze the remaining jobs forcing wages down further. Shall be interesting to see how things pan out for generation x .

Agent CSL
05-28-2009, 08:55 AM
Who knows what I'll think in 40 years, but right now I can't see myself ever retiring. I was asked by a fellow RPFer if I see myself working all my life and I said "yes."

I don't agree with everything in the bible, but there is a part that says something along the lines of "When a man puts away his plow, he will die." A rich, fulfilling life is where someone has a purpose that contributes to the betterment of the community. Working can do this.

ChaosControl
05-28-2009, 09:09 AM
I'll retire in the sense that I'll stop working a normal job.
I'll buy up a ton of land and have sort of a self-sufficient plantation. So I'll still do physical labor and some business to keep it self sufficient and selling some goods to produce a little income, but I'll be for certain I'm going to be out of the urban hellhole workforce ASAP.