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Reason
05-27-2009, 03:32 AM
Found this interesting.

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Obama's No Socialist. I Should Know.

By Billy Wharton
Sunday, March 15, 2009; B01

It took a massive global financial crisis, a failed military adventure and a popular repudiation of the Republican Party to make my national television debut possible. After 15 years of socialist political organizing -- everything from licking envelopes and handing out leaflets to the more romantic task of speaking at street demonstrations -- I found myself in the midtown Manhattan studio of the Fox Business Network on a cold February evening. Who ever thought that being the editor of the Socialist magazine, circulation 3,000, would launch me on a cable news career?

The media whirlwind began in October with a call from a New York Times writer. He wanted a tour of the Socialist Party USA's national office. Although he was more interested in how much paper we used in our "socialist cubby hole" than in our politics, our media profile exploded. Next up, a pleasant interview by Swedish National Radio. Then Brian Moore, our 2008 presidential candidate, sparred with Stephen Colbert. Even the Wall Street Journal wanted a socialist to quote after the first bailout bill failed last fall. Traffic to our Web site multiplied, e-mail inquiries increased and meetings with potential recruits to the Socialist Party yielded more new members than ever before. Socialism -- an idea with a long history -- suddenly seemed to have a bright future in 21st-century America.

Whom did we have to thank for this moment in the spotlight? Oddly enough, Republican politicians such as Mike Huckabee and John McCain had become our most effective promoters. During his campaign, the ever-desperate McCain, his hard-charging running mate Sarah Palin and even a plumber named Joe lined up to call Barack Obama a "socialist." Last month, Huckabee even exclaimed that, "The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics may be dead, but the Union of American Socialist Republics is being born."

We appreciated the newfound attention. But we also cringed as the debate took on the hysterical tone of a farcical McCarthyism. The question "Is Obama a socialist?" spread rapidly through a network of rightwing blogs, conservative television outlets and alarmist radio talk shows and quickly moved into the mainstream. "We Are All Socialists Now," declared a Newsweek cover last month. A New York Times reporter recently pinned Obama down with the question, "Are you a socialist, as some people have suggested?" The normally unflappable politician stumbled through a response so unconvincing that it required a follow-up call in which Obama claimed impeccable free market credentials.

All this speculation over whether our current president is a socialist led me into the sea of business suits, BlackBerrys and self-promoters in the studio at Fox Business News. I quickly realized that the antagonistic anchor David Asman had little interest in exploring socialist ideas on bank nationalization. For Asman, nationalization was merely a code word for socialism. Using logic borrowed from the 1964 thriller "The Manchurian Candidate," he portrayed Obama as a secret socialist, so far undercover that not even he understood that his policies were de facto socialist. I was merely a cudgel to be wielded against the president -- a physical embodiment of guilt by association.

The funny thing is, of course, that socialists know that Barack Obama is not one of us. Not only is he not a socialist, he may in fact not even be a liberal. Socialists understand him more as a hedge-fund Democrat -- one of a generation of neoliberal politicians firmly committed to free-market policies.

The first clear indication that Obama is not, in fact, a socialist, is the way his administration is avoiding structural changes to the financial system. Nationalization is simply not in the playbook of Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and his team. They favor costly, temporary measures that can easily be dismantled should the economy stabilize. Socialists support nationalization and see it as a means of creating a banking system that acts like a highly regulated public utility. The banks would then cease to be sinkholes for public funds or financial versions of casinos and would become essential to reenergizing productive sectors of the economy.

The same holds true for health care. A national health insurance system as embodied in the single-payer health plan reintroduced in legislation this year by Rep. John Conyers Jr. (D-Mich.), makes perfect sense to us. That bill would provide comprehensive coverage, offer a full range of choice of doctors and services and eliminate the primary cause of personal bankruptcy -- health-care bills. Obama's plan would do the opposite. By mandating that every person be insured, ObamaCare would give private health insurance companies license to systematically underinsure policyholders while cashing in on the moral currency of universal coverage. If Obama is a socialist, then on health care, he's doing a fairly good job of concealing it.

Issues of war and peace further weaken the commander in chief's socialist credentials. Obama announced that all U.S. combat brigades will be removed from Iraq by August 2010, but he still intends to leave as many as 50,000 troops in Iraq and wishes to expand the war in Afghanistan and Pakistan. A socialist foreign policy would call for the immediate removal of all troops. It would seek to follow the proposal made recently by an Afghan parliamentarian, which called for the United States to send 30,000 scholars or engineers instead of more fighting forces.

Yet the president remains "the world's best salesman of socialism," according to Republican Sen. Jim DeMint of South Carolina. DeMint encouraged supporters "to take to the streets to stop America's slide into socialism." Despite the fact that billions of dollars of public wealth are being transferred to private corporations, Huckabee still felt confident in proposing that "Lenin and Stalin would love" Obama's bank bailout plan.

Huckabee is clearly no socialist scholar, and I doubt that any of Obama's policies will someday appear in the annals of socialist history. The president has, however, been assigned the unenviable task of salvaging a capitalist system intent on devouring itself. The question is whether he can do so without addressing the deep inequalities that have become fundamental features of American society. So, President Obama, what I want to know is this: Can you lend legitimacy to a society in which 5 percent of the population controls 85 percent of the wealth? Can you sell a health-care reform package that will only end up enriching a private health insurance industry? Will you continue to favor military spending over infrastructure development and social services?

My guess is that the president will avoid these questions, further confirming that he is not a socialist except, perhaps, in the imaginations of an odd assortment of conservatives. Yet as the unemployment lines grow longer, the food pantries emptier and health care scarcer, socialism may be poised for a comeback in America. The doors of our "socialist cubby-hole" are open to anyone, including Obama. I encourage him to stop by for one of our monthly membership meetings. Be sure to arrive early to get a seat -- we're more popular than ever lately.

billyspnyc@yahoo.com

Brooklyn Red Leg
05-27-2009, 03:41 AM
The funny thing is, of course, that socialists know that Barack Obama is not one of us. Not only is he not a socialist, he may in fact not even be a liberal. Socialists understand him more as a hedge-fund Democrat -- one of a generation of neoliberal politicians firmly committed to free-market policies.

Sorry, but this writer is a douchehole. Free-market policies? Fascism/Corporatism is what Obama is selling and it has NOTHING to do with The Free-Market.

Objectivist
05-27-2009, 03:43 AM
I've been calling him a Fascist from 2007 on.

On the post, the writer is being disingenuous at best.

Reason
05-27-2009, 03:45 AM
Sorry, but this writer is a douchehole. Free-market policies? Fascism/Corporatism is what Obama is selling and it has NOTHING to do with The Free-Market.

TBH all I have seen Obama do is just more of the same and not any of this drastic socialist agenda that everyone likes to refer to.

Don't mistake this as me defending Obama, I just see him as equally terrible as bush and have yet to see this supposed "massive socialist agenda" appear...

coyote_sprit
05-27-2009, 03:48 AM
The funny thing is, of course, that socialists know that Barack Obama is not one of us. Not only is he not a socialist, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial) he may in fact not even be a liberal. Socialists understand him more as a hedge-fund Democrat -- one of a generation of neoliberal politicians firmly committed to free-market policies. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie)

Fixed it.

Objectivist
05-27-2009, 03:49 AM
TBH all I have seen Obama do is just more of the same and not any of this drastic socialist agenda that everyone likes to refer to.

Don't mistake this as me defending Obama, I just see him as equally terrible as bush and have yet to see this supposed "massive socialist agenda" appear...

You have to stuff the bird before you cook it. This is the lead up in incremental parts.

Brooklyn Red Leg
05-27-2009, 03:51 AM
TBH all I have seen Obama do is just more of the same and not any of this drastic socialist agenda that everyone likes to refer to.

Don't mistake this as me defending Obama, I just see him as equally terrible as bush and have yet to see this supposed "massive socialist agenda" appear...

Oh, believe me I know. McCain, Obama, Hillary, Bill, George, Dick and most of the rest are committed Fascists. Bush was following the policies set forth by Clinton who was following the policies set by Bush the Elder etc etc ad endless fucking nauseum.

acptulsa
05-27-2009, 05:35 AM
A socialist idealogue has as much to complain about with the current administration as we do. They believe that as long as property is left in private hands, there will be abuses, and they're right. We believe that as long as anything resembling ultimate power is left in private hands, there will be abuses and we're right. Obama is a fascist; he's usurping all the power he can and using it to put more property in fewer hands. In other words, he--like the Bushes and Clinton, Reagan's henchmen, Nixon, and a long string of politicians--is the worst of both worlds. He's not making true liberals any happier than he's making us.

The only question is, will the general public see that the 'middle of the road' has become the road to hell?

ChaosControl
05-27-2009, 08:05 AM
Obama isn't a socialist. He is just another elitist authoritarian. Of the elite, for the elite.
He is definitely not for the free markets, no elite is as that gives way too much power to the common peasants that we all are.

Socialists are stupid too though, I think they actually believe they are for the people and equality. They don't realize that their plans are the very anti-freedom much as elite authoritarianism is. One difference though, they do in fact believe they are for the people, the elites clearly know they are just for themselves. So socialists are stupid, but they have their heart in the right place, shame their brain isn't.

One big problem is that people so often blame the failures we are seeing of corporatism on the free markets. The socialists can of course use this to their advantage, just as the elite can to claim more control. To me, both ideologies, elite authoritarianism and socialism are my arch-enemies and I'd like them all to jump into a volcano and make the world a better place.

Chamdar
05-27-2009, 11:30 AM
Even if Obama is a socialist, it's absurd to believe that he's somehow introducing socialism to America when it's already been here for decades. CivilRadiant is right, Obama's just bringing more of the same.

"Socialist" has become another one of those terms that people have thoughtlessly thrown around that it now has no meaning, much like Ann Coulter did with "liberal".

Objectivist
05-27-2009, 02:19 PM
Fixed it.

But Obama doesn't understand how hedge funds work or the markets.
YouTube - Video surfaces of Barack Obama admitting he doesn't understand the Stock Market (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjaoJuAYnaI)

torchbearer
05-27-2009, 02:19 PM
Obama is a fascist.

BuddyRey
05-27-2009, 02:25 PM
Obama's not a Socialist...he's a Fascist, and Fascism is way worse than Socialism because it wears a free market mask and deceives people as to its real nature.

Objectivist
05-27-2009, 02:37 PM
Ideas held by Fascism

Pensions for elderly
Gun control
Confiscation of inherited wealth
Animal rights
Euthanasia
Massive spending on education
Remove religion from public policy
Politically correct speech/ Speech codes
Government control/regulation in all areas
Organic farming
Spirituality
Anti smoking
Racial quotas
Loathe the Free Market
Pro Abortion/Death
High taxation.......

Kraig
05-27-2009, 02:38 PM
No "socialist" in power will ever be a true socialist by the standards of utopian socialists because they don't understand the corruption that it will always bring.

Feenix566
05-27-2009, 02:51 PM
The central point of the article is that Obama hasn't pushed for outright nationalization of the banks, therefor he is not a socialist. This is untrue. Nationalization means government ownership. Ownership means decision-making authority. That's what the concept of property rights is all about. If I say I own something, that means I am asserting my decision-making authority over that thing. If you fail to respect that authority, then you are stealing the thing.

The government has unlimited ability to exercise decision-making authority over the banks, therefor the government owns the banks, therefor the banks have already been nationalized. Sure, Obama doesn't say he wants outright nationalization, but what he says and what he does are two entirely separate things.

The only reason anyone actually believes that the banks are not being nationalized is because people don't understand what nationalization means.


TBH all I have seen Obama do is just more of the same and not any of this drastic socialist agenda that everyone likes to refer to.

Don't mistake this as me defending Obama, I just see him as equally terrible as bush and have yet to see this supposed "massive socialist agenda" appear...

Bush was pushing a massive socialist agenda, too.

Objectivist
05-27-2009, 02:57 PM
[QUOTE=Feenix566;2141640]The central point of the article is that Obama hasn't pushed for outright nationalization of the banks, therefor he is not a socialist. This is untrue. Nationalization means government ownership. Ownership means decision-making authority. That's what the concept of property rights is all about. If I say I own something, that means I am asserting my decision-making authority over that thing. If you fail to respect that authority, then you are stealing the thing.

The government has unlimited ability to exercise decision-making authority over the banks, therefor the government owns the banks, therefor the banks have already been nationalized. Sure, Obama doesn't say he wants outright nationalization, but what he says and what he does are two entirely separate things.

The only reason anyone actually believes that the banks are not being nationalized is because people don't understand what nationalization means.

Bush was pushing a massive socialist agenda, too.

Bush didn't plan on not accepting repayment of the loans.
Then you could explain why the government is not accepting repayment of TARP funds by the Banks. It's so they can have a foot in the door and take a seat at the boardroom table with a ownership vote in company policy.

sailor
05-27-2009, 03:22 PM
I`m sure Obama is a Socialist, but his policies are not.