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max
05-22-2009, 09:48 AM
WOW! She really hits Obama hard here.

She's still a dipshit, but gotta respect her for putting partisanship aside and calling Obama out..


If we can educate them in economics, we can win these civil libertarian liberals over...maybe


YouTube - Rachel Maddow: Indefinite detention? Shame on you... President Obama (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uuWVHT1WUY&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailypaul.com%2F&feature=player_embedded)

LittleLightShining
05-22-2009, 09:57 AM
I freakin' love you, Rachel Maddow!

LATruth
05-22-2009, 10:12 AM
I just threw up in my mouth. :mad:

We HAVE to impeach this motherfucker.

silverhawks
05-22-2009, 10:16 AM
This issue has caused a DEEP division in Obama's supporters from what I can tell.

Here's two examples of the ones that are waking up to the reality of the Obama administration, that neo-con and neo-liberal are the same thing...neo-fascist.


Supporting Indefinite detention, defending bush era policies in court, extrajudicial drone killings of hundreds of civilians in afghanistan and pakistan, reviving bush' kangaroo court system, advocating preventive detention, hiring out the pakistani army to kill its own civilians and forcing 1 million people to become refugees overnight, hiring all the wall street insiders to run the fed/treasury, etc, etc. And you say he's trying to do the right thing? He's just putting a new coat of paint on the empire, and the fumes seem to be affecting lots of people around here.


In response to the old "where was Ratner when Bush was in office?" i.e. libertarians and critics are Republicans, racist or both:


Man you people are dumb. They were doing the same thing to Bush! This guy Ratner is on our side you fools! You're all so worried about your money that you don't care about holding people that committed war crimes in OUR (mines and yours) names and who shredded our Constitution accountable! The reason Obama gave his speech in front of a copy of the Constitution is to give the illusion that he has somehow repaired it. But it's still in shambles. The next GOP President will have nothing to fear when he decides to start torturing, preemptively invading, spying on Americans, and outing CIA agents again. Why would he? He/Palin will say about everything Obama said and did, "Let's look ahead and not to the past." Drop the kool-aid for a second folks. You look like Bushies.

There are those who are citing Maddow as telling the truth, and there are the blind devotees that still say "Obama knows what he's doing"...in other words, their fascism is showing.

max
05-22-2009, 10:17 AM
I just threw up in my mouth. :mad:

We HAVE to impeach this motherfucker.

Amazing doublespeak isnt it?

He runs up a 1.8 trillion dollar deficit, then holds a "fiscal responsibility" summit.

He slams CEO's for taking trips to Vegas, then takes about 20 Air Force One trips to such essential functions as the Jay Leno show and Valentine's day dinner in Chicago (not to mention the $300,000 "photo op" over the statue of Liberty.

He tells us to put air in our tires to fight "global warming", while expending tons of diesel fuel on his Air Force 1 joy rides.

He slams Bush over violating the Bill of Rights, and then proposes to extend those violations indefinitely.

Wow! I almost miss Bush now!

Theocrat
05-22-2009, 10:17 AM
I am not at all surprised that Obama does not believe in the rule of law, though he says it nominally. After all, the rule of law is immutable as a necessity in civics, which Obama obviously has no clue about. He can't even honor the Constitution, and he wants to speak on the rule of law?!

I think Rachel Maddow is beginning to see what many of us Ron Paul supporters have seen for several years now. The Republicans and the Democrats are pretty much the same party, with different faces in authority. Kudos to Maddow for her openness in criticizing Obama's foreign policy. Long live "Precrime" (just kidding).

SWATH
05-22-2009, 10:25 AM
Maybe she is trying to assuage the guilt of her complicity in shilling for this sorry sac.

Brooklyn Red Leg
05-22-2009, 10:31 AM
Well, the goddamn Kool-Aid guzzlers are in force over at Huffington Post.

My Message To Obama: Great Speech, But No Military Commissions and No "Preventive Detention" (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andy-worthington/my-message-to-obama-great_b_206501.html)

A number of the comments by the Obamabots are sickening. These people are scum and fucking Obama SHOULD be impeached. Immediate breach of his oath to uphold and defend the Constitution. :mad:

MRoCkEd
05-22-2009, 10:34 AM
I respect Rachel greatly. It seems almost every day she is calling out Obama on something, including military commissions, torture photos, state secrets, non-prosecution of the bush administration, Iraq, and Afghanistan.

LATruth
05-22-2009, 10:37 AM
This will pass, the majority will do nothing. This apparatus will be used against us in due time. Welcome to the New World Order.

silverhawks
05-22-2009, 10:41 AM
Well, the goddamn Kool-Aid guzzlers are in force over at Huffington Post.

Some are, but I see a greater and greater majority of Dems who post there recoiling in horror at the things Obama is doing, equating him to Bush and worse.

Chomsky
05-22-2009, 11:18 AM
Thanks for posting, that video is really encouraging.

literatim
05-22-2009, 11:29 AM
Obama loves doublespeak.

Brian4Liberty
05-22-2009, 11:42 AM
Sounds like Obama has been hanging out with Alan Dershowitz...

(Dershowitz advocated legalizing torture. Wrote a whole book about it filled with doublespeak and twisted logic).

Immortal Technique
05-22-2009, 11:55 AM
i commend Rachel for her honesty, she is beginning to gain my respect

Original_Intent
05-22-2009, 11:57 AM
I respect Rachel greatly. It seems almost every day she is calling out Obama on something, including military commissions, torture photos, state secrets, non-prosecution of the bush administration, Iraq, and Afghanistan.

[If I wasn't married] I'd hit it in a minute. And she seems to be more intellectually honest than most libs.

ClayTrainor
05-22-2009, 12:02 PM
Wow, Rachel is really impressing me with her reporting.

This was a great segment that will hopefully get wake up some Obamabots

TER
05-22-2009, 12:23 PM
We should email her and encourage her to keeping the prez accountable.

heavenlyboy34
05-22-2009, 12:29 PM
Gosh...now I'm having second thoughts about satirizing Maddow! I think I'll leave it in the first draft, and you all can tell me how I can do it better.

HB34. :cool:

Annihilia
05-22-2009, 12:39 PM
Not bad at all. Maybe Maddow is slowly reevaluating her positions.

Chase
05-22-2009, 12:44 PM
Wow! I almost miss Bush now!

I'm horrified to admit I already started feeling that way months ago.

CUnknown
05-22-2009, 12:46 PM
Rachel is definitely the best reporter/pundit on MSNBC (although admittedly that is not saying a lot, lol). Kudos to her.

max
05-22-2009, 12:52 PM
I'm horrified to admit I already started feeling that way months ago.

the only potential positive about Obama is that the inevitable backlash that he will bring about may serve as a catalyst for the resurgence of our ideas....

Shit hasn't even hit the fan yet....but when it does, we will either sweep away socialism ...or we will end up under martial law..

Even then, there's no way of telling which way the cops and military will go. That's why Obama is building a civilian defense force of youth drones..

The other danger is that the elites will hijack the Liberty movement with some GOP fake like sanford or Perry.

Anti Federalist
05-22-2009, 12:58 PM
[If I wasn't married] I'd hit it in a minute. And she seems to be more intellectually honest than most libs.

Lulz...I don't think she'd let you.

IIRC she's a lesbian.;)

paulitics
05-22-2009, 12:58 PM
Amazing doublespeak isnt it?

He runs up a 1.8 trillion dollar deficit, then holds a "fiscal responsibility" summit.

He slams CEO's for taking trips to Vegas, then takes about 20 Air Force One trips to such essential functions as the Jay Leno show and Valentine's day dinner in Chicago (not to mention the $300,000 "photo op" over the statue of Liberty.

He tells us to put air in our tires to fight "global warming", while expending tons of diesel fuel on his Air Force 1 joy rides.

He slams Bush over violating the Bill of Rights, and then proposes to extend those violations indefinitely.

Wow! I almost miss Bush now!

Come on Max. I heard you say this a few times already. Bush would have continued down the same path if he could have. The reason he didn't, is the clock ran out and he was at a 25% approval rating. His last year 2 years in office, he got owned by the courts, ACLU, and public opinion. Everything that Obama is trying to whitewash was started under Bush. The NWO is using Obama to put window dressing on a turd, and to get the public to accept torture, preventive detainment, fascism. They need our consent to use this system on Americans.

They had no choice but to change the bird cage liner. Everyday I monitor the president's approval rating. That shit needs to dip down below 50% yesterday.
It's a good sign that some of the liberals are waking up and faster than the neocons who still listen to Dick Cheney.

klamath
05-22-2009, 01:10 PM
I have to say that was standing by her principals and not doing partisan hyprocracy.

malkusm
05-22-2009, 01:12 PM
the only potential positive about Obama is that the inevitable backlash that he will bring about may serve as a catalyst for the resurgence of our ideas....

Shit hasn't even hit the fan yet....but when it does, we will either sweep away socialism ...or we will end up under martial law..

Even then, there's no way of telling which way the cops and military will go. That's why Obama is building a civilian defense force of youth drones..

The other danger is that the elites will hijack the Liberty movement with some GOP fake like sanford or Perry.

This is 100% correct. As I was saying throughout the presidential campaign: The best thing for making the message of liberty popular is to have Obama win and, inevitably, stick to none of his campaign platforms. Republicans will denounce anything that Obama does just because he's a Dem, but some Dems will be disenfranchised as well if we keep them accountable.

malkusm
05-22-2009, 01:22 PM
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/05/22/preventive_detention/index.html

sailor
05-22-2009, 01:25 PM
[If I wasn't married] I'd hit it in a minute.

You should reconsider. She looks cute on the show, but looks like a boy (except for the hips) without the stylists going over her.

http://nailingjello.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/rachel_maddow.jpg

dannno
05-22-2009, 01:56 PM
holy moly

Expatriate
05-22-2009, 02:10 PM
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/05/22/preventive_detention/index.html

Thanks, that's an interesting read. I guess it's even worse than I thought.

angelatc
05-22-2009, 02:27 PM
[If I wasn't married] I'd hit it in a minute. And she seems to be more intellectually honest than most libs.

She's openly gay.

Sarge
05-22-2009, 02:32 PM
OK, We nominate you to hit on her.

Just joking.

Great take down on BO. I hope she keeps on him with his type of thinking.

Mesogen
05-22-2009, 03:14 PM
In the past two days I've seen the Democrat blogs go from:

"How dare you criticize Lord Obama?What are you racist or something? Would you rather have John McCain?"

to

"I voted for Obama and campaigned for him and supported him, but now I'm not so sure I trust his plans."

Then I hit them with the "You're just racist." I hope they see how stupid that sounds.

idiom
05-22-2009, 03:28 PM
Well at least you can't be executed while in 'Preventative Detention'.

Beaten to death maybe...

Original_Intent
05-22-2009, 03:39 PM
She's openly gay.

Lesbians just haven't met the right guy. Like I said, I am taken, someone else will have to step up.

LATruth
05-22-2009, 04:40 PM
Bush could not have pulled that off, the people would have called a spade a spade. Obama knocked that out of the park, weaving a tale to tight the blind did not see the holes.


Bush giving that speech:

Heh, you can sit down, i wanna thank you for coming out to Kennebunk... I mean Washington. There are a lotta great guys and gals I'd like to thank for this occasion, they are over there... These are extraordinary time, we're in a crisis, we liberated Iraq and made the people of Afghanistan free. I have been taking a lot of heat about this subject but I feel it in my gut we have to ride this horse home.

We have detainees that we have to deal with after the closing of the greatest symbol of freedom this country has ever known, our detention camps for terrorists. These places show the world we aren't playin', and keep us safe. There are people in America that don't like these places, and they must want another attack, they don't understand freedom.

I say this, I'm the decider, and we must hold firm to our beliefs and not allow these men to roam free amongst the country side. We have laws, I make em remember. And its lawful to protect America, because its great. Anyhow, there are many nice things to see here in Crawfor... I mean Washington DC, and thank you for your time.

klamath
05-22-2009, 05:17 PM
I have never seen a president that was so great at spin. He sets the backdrop of the constitution, passionately talks about the rule of law and promptly sets actions for the exact opposite of what he is saying he is against. He does it on everything, from deficit spending to ending the wars. He makes a huge high profile speach about how he is going to the change the policy with all the pomp and ceremony and in reallity he is doing the opposite.

silverhawks
05-22-2009, 05:35 PM
I have never seen a president that was so great at spin. He sets the backdrop of the constitution, passionately talks about the rule of law and promptly sets actions for the exact opposite of what he is saying he is against. He does it on everything, from deficit spending to ending the wars. He makes a huge high profile speach about how he is going to the change the policy with all the pomp and ceremony and in reallity he is doing the opposite.

Obama is the US version of Tony Blair.

ClayTrainor
05-22-2009, 05:36 PM
Obama is the US version of Tony Blair.

was Blair as popular as Obama?

Brassmouth
05-22-2009, 06:12 PM
This will pass, the majority will do nothing. This apparatus will be used against us in due time. Welcome to the New World Order.

Wow, you're cool.

krazy kaju
05-22-2009, 06:55 PM
Wow. I've seen Maddow attack Obama before, but this segment was really, really good.

LATruth
05-22-2009, 08:38 PM
Wow, you're cool.

And you're an ass? At least my post was topical and in line with the thread.

anaconda
05-22-2009, 08:53 PM
Maybe she is trying to assuage the guilt of her complicity in shilling for this sorry sac.

I think she's gonna be fully on board with Ron Paul in about 12 months from now.

Anti Federalist
05-22-2009, 08:54 PM
You know, I popped into this thread and made one smart ass remark, not even having watched the clip, because, quite frankly, I've had it up to my eyeballs with the nonsense. Both the political and pundit classes spew so much bullshit, that piles up so fast, you need wings to stay above it.

But now, having taken the time to watch it and reflect some, well, well done to Maddow for at least trying to point out the insanity here.

"We must create a new legal regime" to imprison people indefinitely.

Wow, just wow...

Carole
05-22-2009, 09:24 PM
Sometimes Rachel Maddow truly commands respect. :)

This is one of those times. :D

It is amazing to hear in his "simultaneous" speech how Oblahma both defends and shreds the Constitution. An empty suit "just words".

This is his modus operandi. Say things that are totally contraditory in the same speech. He does this all the time. No one boos or calls him out for his total contradictory pronouncements.

This is why he is so dangerous, because people hear only the part they wish to hear and discount or tune out the rest. Therefore, he always wins because he has pleased both/all sides. He is truly a spinmeister and snake-oil salesman.
How much longer until the rest of the country catches on to his "speaking with forked-tongue"?

Carole
05-22-2009, 09:36 PM
Doublespeak right out of 1984 for sure. :D

pinkmandy
05-22-2009, 09:52 PM
A comment from the HP article:


For What It's Worth:
I know this is going to sound like it's out of left field but please try to follow me on this.
President Obama has put forth this totally ludicrous proposition knowing full well that it would never, but never pass constitutional muster. This then becomes (God, I hate the cliche') a teaching moment; i.e. The Constitution is the Supreme Law of the land and that for all his perceived power, the President must follow the law, just like we common folk.
It's a long walk to get a point across, but making such a proposal highlights the lunacy of letting the President ride roughshod over the most incredible human rights document since the Magna Carta.

Thank you.

He's just teaching us all a lesson, folks. Don't worry. He's showing us the way, knowing we must experience these things before we can understand them. A real savior. :eek:

Uriel999
05-22-2009, 10:49 PM
Good video. Keep spreading the liberty message!

sarahgop
05-23-2009, 06:47 AM
obama is taking us to complete govt control of our lives.

hugolp
05-23-2009, 07:05 AM
I just cant get my head to believe all this is going on during my live. The regime is indeed changing, and its not nice.

idirtify
05-23-2009, 10:00 AM
I’m starting to see Maddow overtake Olbermann. Their two shows used to be virtual carbon copies of each other, but I don’t think Olbermann even mentioned Obama’s prolonged detention. While both still regularly slam secession, Olbermann’s criticism of Obama is usually lighter and less frequent than Maddow’s. Since her show is right after his, she is really helping expose his partisanism.

I wonder how Olbermann’s omission jives with one of his favorite guest-commentators Jonathan Turley. I think Turley is spot-on most of the time and I’m sure he’s up in arms about Obama’s announcement of prolonged detention.

MyLibertyStuff
05-23-2009, 10:50 AM
Another reason while the people that still support him are either sheep or communists.

HOLLYWOOD
05-23-2009, 11:15 AM
Very good post... It appears that Propaganda takes precedence over fiscal responsibility. Even the lefty liberals, who's motto is: "Question Authority" are realizing the sham, scams, and lies of THEIR LIBERAL government.

Oh the hypocrisy is magnitudes greater each year by the FEDS.

Truth is TREASON in an EMPIRE of LIES!

PS: Kieth 'UberHaterMann' Olbermann is a by gone. Olbermann's manipulative and Hateful lies are worst than ever. Both he and Rush should be sent out to pasture with a gag orders, to fade away. Sick of the megamouths both ultra left and right. If Maddow keeps with a subjective center point, she will survive. I personally think she moving torwards libertarianism... freedoms and liberties are paramont. wouldn't you say Raquel? It's government that turns half of AMericans against the other half.


Amazing doublespeak isnt it?

He runs up a 1.8 trillion dollar deficit, then holds a "fiscal responsibility" summit.

He slams CEO's for taking trips to Vegas, then takes about 20 Air Force One trips to such essential functions as the Jay Leno show and Valentine's day dinner in Chicago (not to mention the $300,000 "photo op" over the statue of Liberty.

He tells us to put air in our tires to fight "global warming", while expending tons of diesel fuel on his Air Force 1 joy rides.

He slams Bush over violating the Bill of Rights, and then proposes to extend those violations indefinitely.

Wow! I almost miss Bush now!

Liberty Star
05-23-2009, 12:55 PM
Obama showing his colors so soon?

Though I haven't much watched her, I'm starting to like Rachel.

Brooklyn Red Leg
05-23-2009, 02:59 PM
He's just teaching us all a lesson, folks. Don't worry. He's showing us the way, knowing we must experience these things before we can understand them. A real savior. :eek:

Yea, my first reply to the article got flagged and the moderator wouldn't post it so I went back and wrote a totally snarky one to that particular 'Teaching Moment' douchenozzle. Naturally, it didn't get posted either. Seems that some HuffPo mods don't like it when their posters don't suck down the Kool-Aid. Having learned the hard way, I save my responses to a Notepad beforehand.

First reply:


Preventive Dentention. Where have I heard of that before. Oh right, CONCENTRATION CAMPS. Like those first models built by the British to house Boers in South Africa. I don't care if his Presidency is 'historic'. I care about him shredding our Constitution.

I love how the Obamabots are out in force defending something that is blatantly a violation of civil liberties. You people are sick. You've sucked down the Kool-Aid by the gallon and have so much Cognitive Dissonance its surprising you can even do anything without Obama telling you so. Get this through your heads, saying we must use 'Preventive Detention to save our freedoms' is Orwellian Doublespeak. If Obama came out tomorrow and literally said 'War is Peace, Freedom of Slavery', I could probably come to this website and see a headline about it and comments praising him for his clear approach to 'saving us'. You people are Fascists and I for one am sick to my stomach to know that any of you even live in this country.

Second reply, specifically to Mr. Teaching Moment:


Circle-jerk logic like yours could only have come from an education in the Public School System. Give me a break. Teaching moment? That kind of asinine thought process is what many Germans used to delude themselves that Herr Hitler was doing what he did to save The Fatherland from Communists and Anarchists. Obama, in true Orwellian fashion, gave a speech so laden with Doublespeak, it wouldn't have surprised me if he proclaimed 'War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery'.

Hope you enjoy your time in the gulag reflecting on Obama's 'teaching moment'.

Andrew Ryan
05-23-2009, 04:25 PM
I guess I'll have to take a look at her show.

BuddyRey
05-23-2009, 09:45 PM
Rachel Maddow has done a lot to redeem and endear herself to libertarians and Constitutionalists over the last few weeks...If she doesn't watch out, her show will be canceled! :eek::D

ghengis86
05-23-2009, 09:58 PM
Not bad at all. Maybe Maddow is slowly reevaluating her positions.

hopefully from scissor to missionary...

(am I the only one to go there? i figured the "i would hit that" comment crowd would be all over that by now)

thanks annihilia!

Brooklyn Red Leg
05-23-2009, 10:11 PM
hopefully from scissor to missionary...

LOL!


(am I the only one to go there? i figured the "i would hit that" comment crowd would be all over that by now)

Rachel is actually easy on the eyes, eventhough I'm more of a long haired woman fan myself. Even 'confirmed lesbians' aren't always exclusively homosexual but more bisexual.

jaybone
05-23-2009, 10:15 PM
Has the kool-aid finally gone sour?

not in my experience,
BHO supporters I know are still in the 'give him a chance to get things done' stage,

BenIsForRon
05-24-2009, 12:03 AM
Guys, you just have to have realistic expectations on this Maddow thing. May she become anti-Obama in the future? Yes. Will she become a free market libertarian? Probably Not.

Either way, she is our friend, and she will eventually come around to generally opposing Obama on most issues. I mean, he made a lot of campaign promises, he can't break them all overnight.

Captain America
05-24-2009, 12:08 AM
she seems to be learning. hopefully she doesn't go into remission