Gay Pride Day - and free gifts for children

[BeFranklin]

Free gifts attract kids to 'gay' day at ballpark
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=98850

This floored me. I was skimming the article not expecting to see anything much, and geeze..

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Hartline has had considerable experience dealing with San Diego "gay" pride events. He reported in 2005, it was learned the group had hired sex offenders to work with various events, including a registered pedophile who was working as "Marty the Clown" in a "Children's Garden."
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"San Diego Pride has a 'Children's Garden' set up in the middle of their gay pride festival," he said. "This festival is full of pornography and XXX porn vendors. They have an S&M tent where people actually go in and take S&M demonstration classes on how to abuse each other sexually. This is all going on in this festival, and they put this 'Children's Garden' in the middle of this venue for children 2 and under where homosexuals can drop off their kids off for babysitting services."
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Fire officers forced to attend..

As WND reported in 2007, four firefighters sued the city of San Diego for being forced by their superiors to attend the a "Gay Pride" parade promoted by San Diego Pride where they endured a barrage of sexual taunts and lewd gestures.

They were awarded $5,000 each for emotional damages from the event, where they were forced to witness "simulated sex acts." The men then suffered harassment and retaliation after complaining to superiors, the complaint said.

San Diego Pride issued a statement claiming the firefighter lawsuits were about "hate, pure and simple. Hate against you. Hate against me. Hate against our LGBT community and our struggle for equal rights."

It accepted donations to "take a stand against religious extremism" to surpass the settlement granted to the firefighters.

And more.

[Theocrat]

And who says the gay community is harmless and neutral? You better believe they are on a mission to challenge the Christian community and undermine the institution of the Family. And we wonder why our nation is failing and under God's judgment. :mad:

[Liberty Star]

CUFI folks are not going to be happy about this at all. Strange times we're living in.

[Reason]

WND is a completely unreliable source.

[BeFranklin]

WND is a completely unreliable source.

http://www.10news.com/news/4857263/detail.html?subid=22100481&qs=1;bp=t

Marty the clown

[Theocrat]

WND is a completely unreliable source.

Why do you say that?

[Reason]

Why do you say that?

WND is not as bad as prisonplanet but they do many of the same things that force an intelligent reader to question their stories legitimacy.

They mix truths/partial truths/untruths together into a cute little bowl of soup that gives the reader more often than not, the impression that the issue is much more concrete than it usually really is.

It's a lot easier to think omg the govt. controls the media than it is to sit down and analyze how many of the same corporations who control the media also own the majority of the congress via lobbying $$$ and therefore the agendas coincide.

[Kludge]

Serious question... Why aren't there Black Pride parades?

[Reason]

Serious question... Why aren't there Black Pride parades?

google "civil rights movement"

your question was probably meant as rhetorical satire but it's ironic because the same arguments that are being used against gay marriage were used against interracial marriage a few decades ago.

[sailor]

Serious question... Why aren't there Black Pride parades?

Because all the white hipster liberals would want to tag along.

[Kludge]

google "civil rights movement"

your question was probably meant as rhetorical satire but it's ironic because the same arguments that are being used against gay marriage were used against interracial marriage a few decades ago.

Idunno if those could be considered "Pride" parades. I wouldn't say a Black man was proud because he wanted to be treated equally under law.

I think these parades are asinine and border disgusting, not because of Gays wanting equality under law, but because of how they present themselves and the inherent arrogance of a "Pride" parade.

That said, whichever judge awarded $5,000 to firefighters for grudgingly doing their job ought to be called out by the press.

[BenIsForRon]

BeFranklin, be honest, just come out and say it. Do you think gay people are predisposed to pedophilia? This seems to be a theme in your threads.

[Reason]

Idunno if those could be considered "Pride" parades. I wouldn't say a Black man was proud because he wanted to be treated equally under law.

I think these parades are asinine and border disgusting, not because of Gays wanting equality under law, but because of how they present themselves and the inherent arrogance of a "Pride" parade.



Putting all gay pride parades in the same basket would be a mistake.

[Mosheh Thezion]

SOME THINGS ARE WORTH HATING... WORTHY OF IT..

AND IT IS ONE THING... to be gay... and have gay sex in your own home....

but once you do it, and promote it.. and exercise its description and discussion on the public streets or at an event.. you have crossed that privacy boundry.


I say people should be free to be gay, in their homes, and in ther private lives.

but advertising... is an entirely different issue...

in West holloywood for example, they allow for full giant bill boards, offering gay cruise lines.. and ship travel.. and gay chat rooms..

and pay no heed to the 1000's of children and non-gay people who drive through that city each day.

They should be free to be gay... but not to advertise loose sex.


And gay cruise ship ads, is just like ads for swinging sex ships...

we would not tolerate straight people offering sexual based adventures.. so we should not tolerate gays doing it either.

they are no better...and must learn to keep it indoors... and away from kids, period.

-MEMAT

[BeFranklin]

That said, whichever judge awarded $5,000 to firefighters for grudgingly doing their job ought to be called out by the press.

where they endured a barrage of sexual taunts and lewd gestures.

San Diego's fire chief, Tracy Jarman, is an open lesbian who called the July 21 parade a "fun event" in which "all employees are encouraged to participate."

But the firefighters said, unlike previous years, they were ordered into uniform to participate in the parade in their fire truck, despite their repeated protests.

IE they weren't not wanting to do their job, they were being forced to parade - and show approval for, what the parade was about.

2 - And in the process:

"You could not even look at the crowd without getting some type of sexual gesture," one said, adding, "If any crew member were to hang up pictures at the station of what we saw, we would be disciplined."

Over the course of three hours, they heard statements such as, "show me your hose," "you can put out my fire," "you're making me hot," "give me mouth-to-mouth," "you look hungry, why don't you have a twinkie (from a man wearing a "Girth and Mirth" t-shirt)," and "blow my hose."

When they refused to respond to the crowd, some in the crowd turned hostile and started shouting, "F--- you firemen" and others began "flipping them off."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,292442,00.html

[BeFranklin]

FYI - compare firemen to this story:


Genesis 19

1And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;

2And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night.

3And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.

4But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:

5And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

6And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,

7And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.

8Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.

9And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door.

10But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door.

11And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door.

12And the men said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring them out of this place:

13For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD; and the LORD hath sent us to destroy it.

14And Lot went out, and spake unto his sons in law, which married his daughters, and said, Up, get you out of this place; for the LORD will destroy this city. But he seemed as one that mocked unto his sons in law.

15And when the morning arose, then the angels hastened Lot, saying, Arise, take thy wife, and thy two daughters, which are here; lest thou be consumed in the iniquity of the city.

16And while he lingered, the men laid hold upon his hand, and upon the hand of his wife, and upon the hand of his two daughters; the LORD being merciful unto him: and they brought him forth, and set him without the city.

17And it came to pass, when they had brought them forth abroad, that he said, Escape for thy life; look not behind thee, neither stay thou in all the plain; escape to the mountain, lest thou be consumed.

18And Lot said unto them, Oh, not so, my LORD:

19Behold now, thy servant hath found grace in thy sight, and thou hast magnified thy mercy, which thou hast shewed unto me in saving my life; and I cannot escape to the mountain, lest some evil take me, and I die:

20Behold now, this city is near to flee unto, and it is a little one: Oh, let me escape thither, (is it not a little one?) and my soul shall live.

21And he said unto him, See, I have accepted thee concerning this thing also, that I will not overthrow this city, for the which thou hast spoken.

22Haste thee, escape thither; for I cannot do anything till thou be come thither. Therefore the name of the city was called Zoar.

23The sun was risen upon the earth when Lot entered into Zoar.

24Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;

25And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground.

26But his wife looked back from behind him, and she became a pillar of salt.

27And Abraham gat up early in the morning to the place where he stood before the LORD:

28And he looked toward Sodom and Gomorrah, and toward all the land of the plain, and beheld, and, lo, the smoke of the country went up as the smoke of a furnace.

29And it came to pass, when God destroyed the cities of the plain, that God remembered Abraham, and sent Lot out of the midst of the overthrow, when he overthrew the cities in the which Lot dwelt.

[nobody's_hero]

FYI - compare firemen to this story:

But God hasn't destroyed San Diego yet. :(








(Just kidding, just kidding)

[Objectivist]

Can someone please explain why if one is gay you have reason to be proud of being gay? Isn't being human good enough? You can't have kids. What exactly are you proud of?

[fisharmor]

Here's a question: where do you all live?

Out here in the mid Atlantic, I couldn't possibly give less of a fuck what goes on in California.

As soon as someone outside of California mandates that they have to act a certain way, we're in the same soup as if someone in California mandated what goes on in Virginia.

If the right Gospel gets preached there, then the Christian's obligation to California is fulfilled. The Spirit will enter into the hearts which don't reject Him.

We are under no divine mandate to see to it that they behave themselves.

And as far as the kids go... they're the gay guys' children, so what is preventing this sort of thing in public going to do to protect them?

How would using government force to protect these children be ANY different from No Child Left Behind?

It's only four chapters - go re-read Jonah and see if you get anything out of it this time. Or watch the Veggie Tales version. Either way.

[zach]

Usually if you proudly display something of yourself beyond of what is considered normal - i.e bumper stickers galore pertaining to the same controversial social issue, ___ pride stickers all around your possessions, and feeling the need to insert your two cents pertaining to your specific community in an oppressively arrogant manner constantly, then you're most likely insecure about whatever you're trying to promote. There's no support system, so overcompensation occurs in the form of pride.

And shock value does nothing but cause more strife between groups and sides of the spectrum. So there should be no need to "flaunt" much of anything, especially when it comes to sexual orientation.

[Freedom 4 all]

we would not tolerate straight people offering sexual based adventures.. so we should not tolerate gays doing it either.-MEMAT

Are you actually serious? Straight ads of a similar nature are not, nor should they be banned. Have you ever heard of Lavalife? Match.com? or any other of those zillion sites?

OT: Seriously dudes, grow the fuck up. I'm a straight guy who loves the institution of the family and yet I get along fine with gay people using a simple policy, "I'll be your friend, just don't try to fuck me." Trust me, take that attitude towards gays and they will stop "destroying your family, community, children or any other bullshit you accuse them of." Seriously, if you truly hate them just leave them alone and, like bees they will leave you alone. And while I've never attended a gay parade myself I know straight people who went and were completely respected without being harrassed. IMO those firemen are just looking for free money.

[Theocrat]

Are you actually serious? Straight ads of a similar nature are not, nor should they be banned. Have you ever heard of Lavalife? Match.com? or any other of those zillion sites?

OT: Seriously dudes, grow the fuck up. I'm a straight guy who loves the institution of the family and yet I get along fine with gay people using a simple policy, "I'll be your friend, just don't try to fuck me." Trust me, take that attitude towards gays and they will stop "destroying your family, community, children or any other bullshit you accuse them of." Seriously, if you truly hate them just leave them alone and, like bees they will leave you alone. And while I've never attended a gay parade myself I know straight people who went and were completely respected without being harrassed. IMO those firemen are just looking for free money.

Believe it or not, I have gay friends, too. However, just being their friends is not going to stop them from promoting their sexual lifestyle as a "right" in public. They see this as another civil rights movement in America. I don't think all gays force their sexual views upon citizens, but it definitely seems to be an expanding majority. What's worse is that the State is actually supporting their lifestyle when it should be sanctioning it.

There's also a vertical element to consider here. God is not pleased with a land that supports homosexuality (think of what He did to Sodom and Gomorrah). It goes against His intention for the marital/sexual union between a man and a woman, after all. When the State begins supporting such a lifestyle and then punishing others who don't accept it as a "hate crime," you better believe there is going to be turmoil on the streets.

Our job as Americans is to please God and love our neighbor, but not at the expense of forsaking righteousness. When we lose that objective, we will see the demise of our society, as we're witnessing here in America today. That is why Christians care about the issue of homosexuality being displayed and taught in public. It not only offends other people (for the sake of a supposed "civil right"), but it is an affront to God.

[GodOfThunder]

Believe it or not, I have gay friends, too. However, just being their friends is not going to stop them from promoting their sexual lifestyle as a "right" in public. They see this as another civil rights movement in America. I don't think all gays force their sexual views upon citizens, but it definitely seems to be an expanding majority. What's worse is that the State is actually supporting their lifestyle when it should be sanctioning it.

There's also a vertical element to consider here. God is not pleased with a land that supports homosexuality (think of what He did to Sodom and Gomorrah). It goes against His intention for the marital/sexual union between a man and a woman, after all. When the State begins supporting such a lifestyle and then punishing others who don't accept it as a "hate crime," you better believe there is going to be turmoil on the streets.

Our job as Americans is to please God and love our neighbor, but not at the expense of forsaking righteousness. When we lose that objective, we will see the demise of our society, as we're witnessing here in America today. That is why Christians care about the issue of homosexuality being displayed and taught in public. It not only offends other people (for the sake of a supposed "civil right"), but it is an affront to God.

Santa Clause is pretty pissed off at them gays, too.

Funny that you guys are up-in-arms about a registered sex offender working as a clown but you could give a damn about your priests touching choirboys.

[Theocrat]

Santa Clause is pretty pissed off at them gays, too.

Funny that you guys are up-in-arms about a registered sex offender working as a clown but you could give a damn about your priests touching choirboys.

I am ashamed of priests who do that, and it is just as sinful as homosexuality. However, there is a major difference between priest pedophiles and gay activists. The priests aren't pressuring the State to support their dirty deeds with little boys as a "civil right."

[GodOfThunder]

I am ashamed of priests who do that, and it is just as sinful as homosexuality. However, there is a major difference between priest pedophiles and gay activists. The priests aren't pressuring the State to support their dirty deeds with little boys.
The hell they aren't! Religious groups buy more politicians in this country than labor unions.

And please, please explain to me how gays are pressuring the government to support pedophelia.
I know it isn't a stretch to go from believing in mythical beings such as demons, devils, God and the Tooth Fairy, to believing the crap you shell out on here, but I really need to know.

[dannno]

SOME THINGS ARE WORTH HATING... WORTHY OF IT..

AND IT IS ONE THING... to be gay... and have gay sex in your own home....

but once you do it, and promote it.. and exercise its description and discussion on the public streets or at an event.. you have crossed that privacy boundry.


I say people should be free to be gay, in their homes, and in ther private lives.

but advertising... is an entirely different issue...

in West holloywood for example, they allow for full giant bill boards, offering gay cruise lines.. and ship travel.. and gay chat rooms..

and pay no heed to the 1000's of children and non-gay people who drive through that city each day.

They should be free to be gay... but not to advertise loose sex.


And gay cruise ship ads, is just like ads for swinging sex ships...

we would not tolerate straight people offering sexual based adventures.. so we should not tolerate gays doing it either.

they are no better...and must learn to keep it indoors... and away from kids, period.

-MEMAT

Ok, but they have to stop advertising straight sex, too. That's a lot more stuff than what's in your list.

[Theocrat]

The hell they aren't! Religious groups buy more politicians in this country than labor unions.

And please, please explain to me how gays are pressuring the government to support pedophelia.
I know it isn't a stretch to go from believing in mythical beings such as demons, devils, God and the Tooth Fairy, to believing the crap you shell out on here, but I really need to know.

You show me an example of any group of priests lobbying Congress and bringing lawsuits to the courts to support their "right" to have sex with boys, and I'll show the articles confirming the relentless agenda of the homosexual community to stop any individual or group from prohibiting their detestable, sexual lifestyle by means of the State.

By the way, I never said gays support pedophilia.

[GBurr]

Stop the collectivism people. This is not about gay vs straight or atheist vs theist. Topics like this always turn into collectivist crap.

The big problem here is not that the LGBT groups in California had an event. The problem is that the state supported and used tax dollars at the event. All the Christians that want to use the state to stop Gay advertising are statist. Freedom is not something that you have just in "private".

No group should be getting tax dollars. Funds should only be used for the general welfare. It is funny how Bush and the republicans scream about welfare but offer funding to faith based organizations. The only difference is who gets more government loot.

Stop getting drawn into the giant plot. Stop the competing for Government loot.

It is not about groups but about individuals.

[TonySutton]

The only Pride event I have attended was in Columbus OH. I didn't see anything terrible there. It seems (at least from media representation) some California events are a bit more in your face.

I would suspect this is something we all can understand. It is called blowback. Many LGBT persons are persecuted in the area where they grow up. They flee this abuse for areas which are more accepting. (California) When they get there and start to feel like a human being again they lash out at those who they feel have persecuted them. Pride Parades are a perfect opportunity for this.

Getting back to the OP. Any group can schedule events with the Padres. June is the major month for Pride events in the US. The Padres are a business trying to make money.

The San Diego fire fighter issue was an issue within the department. I suspect most people attending a parade believe those marching in the parade are there voluntarily so I am not surprised there would be some cat calls. Men treat women like that everyday all over America. Funny how it is just boys being boys then.

Any group which hosts children should make sure their employees and volunteers are not pedophiles. There is no excuse for what happened 4 years ago in San Diego. It is good to see the board fired the Director.

[dannno]

That Sodom story posted by BeFranklin is interesing. You have to wonder if the city was destroyed because they no longer reproduced. That could certainly be considered "destroyed by God" without all the violent undertones.

They destroy themselves. They advertise their lifestyle, you educate people as to the consequences. Be honest. The free market will prevail.

[ceakins]

SOME THINGS ARE WORTH HATING... WORTHY OF IT..

AND IT IS ONE THING... to be gay... and have gay sex in your own home....

but once you do it, and promote it.. and exercise its description and discussion on the public streets or at an event.. you have crossed that privacy boundry.


I say people should be free to be gay, in their homes, and in ther private lives.

but advertising... is an entirely different issue...

in West holloywood for example, they allow for full giant bill boards, offering gay cruise lines.. and ship travel.. and gay chat rooms..

and pay no heed to the 1000's of children and non-gay people who drive through that city each day.

They should be free to be gay... but not to advertise loose sex.


And gay cruise ship ads, is just like ads for swinging sex ships...

we would not tolerate straight people offering sexual based adventures.. so we should not tolerate gays doing it either.

they are no better...and must learn to keep it indoors... and away from kids, period.

-MEMAT

I'd rather my kid see this than some mutilated baby on a protest sign in front of a planned parent hood that doesn't do abortions right next to a movie theater that shows kids movies.

[ceakins]

Believe it or not, I have gay friends, too. However, just being their friends is not going to stop them from promoting their sexual lifestyle as a "right" in public. They see this as another civil rights movement in America. I don't think all gays force their sexual views upon citizens, but it definitely seems to be an expanding majority. What's worse is that the State is actually supporting their lifestyle when it should be sanctioning it.

There's also a vertical element to consider here. God is not pleased with a land that supports homosexuality (think of what He did to Sodom and Gomorrah). It goes against His intention for the marital/sexual union between a man and a woman, after all. When the State begins supporting such a lifestyle and then punishing others who don't accept it as a "hate crime," you better believe there is going to be turmoil on the streets.

Our job as Americans is to please God and love our neighbor, but not at the expense of forsaking righteousness. When we lose that objective, we will see the demise of our society, as we're witnessing here in America today. That is why Christians care about the issue of homosexuality being displayed and taught in public. It not only offends other people (for the sake of a supposed "civil right"), but it is an affront to God.


My job is not to please your magical invisible crutch.

[max]

And who says the gay community is harmless and neutral? You better believe they are on a mission to challenge the Christian community and undermine the institution of the Family. And we wonder why our nation is failing and under God's judgment. :mad:

word up to that!

A system of limited government requires that the people have some internal mechanism for self government (i.e. morality)

a degenerate mass of sex crazed , irresponsible and homosexual people will inevitablely self destruct and be governed by evil leaders who reflect their own depravity.

[ceakins]

word up to that!

A system of limited government requires that the people have some internal mechanism for self government (i.e. morality)

a degenerate mass of sex crazed , irresponsible and homosexual people will inevitablely self destruct and be governed by evil leaders who reflect their own depravity.


So you would do what? Act like a fascist and ban them?

[BeFranklin]

So you would do what? Act like a fascist and ban them?

Geeze. Our founders had laws against sodomy. And the country worked well. In fact, we had laws against sodomy 30 years ago too. Country worked well.

OUR COUNTRY WASN"T FASCIST THEN.

[heavenlyboy34]

Believe it or not, I have gay friends, too. However, just being their friends is not going to stop them from promoting their sexual lifestyle as a "right" in public. They see this as another civil rights movement in America. I don't think all gays force their sexual views upon citizens, but it definitely seems to be an expanding majority. What's worse is that the State is actually supporting their lifestyle when it should be sanctioning it.

There's also a vertical element to consider here. God is not pleased with a land that supports homosexuality (think of what He did to Sodom and Gomorrah). It goes against His intention for the marital/sexual union between a man and a woman, after all. When the State begins supporting such a lifestyle and then punishing others who don't accept it as a "hate crime," you better believe there is going to be turmoil on the streets.

Our job as Americans is to please God and love our neighbor, but not at the expense of forsaking righteousness. When we lose that objective, we will see the demise of our society, as we're witnessing here in America today. That is why Christians care about the issue of homosexuality being displayed and taught in public. It not only offends other people (for the sake of a supposed "civil right"), but it is an affront to God.

FWIW, If there was no State (and property was truly private), this wouldn't be an issue because in reality there aren't enough people who support the "gay lifestyle" for it to survive sans government support (vis a vis "gay marriage" and various other laws that "protect" gays at the expense of heteros who do not like the behavior of many gays).

TTYL, Theo.

[Kludge]

Geeze. Our founders had laws against sodomy. And the country worked well. In fact, we had laws against sodomy 30 years ago too. Country worked well.

OUR COUNTRY WASN"T FASCIST THEN.

Orly?

Unfamiliar with how often the Constitution was ignored during the Red Scare?

[BeFranklin]

Can someone please explain why if one is gay you have reason to be proud of being gay? Isn't being human good enough? You can't have kids. What exactly are you proud of?

Statistically, a lot of homosexuals were molested as kids. (Hence, the saying homosexuals are recruited, not born). Maybe its a perversion of "getting over it", but if someone keeps on re-enacting it, they aren't getting over it.

Being proud might be to bring to justice the type of person that did it to you when you were a kid. Grow up already.

[BeFranklin]

Santa Clause is pretty pissed off at them gays, too.

Funny that you guys are up-in-arms about a registered sex offender working as a clown but you could give a damn about your priests touching choirboys.

Thats an amusing bit of bigotry.

I'm traditional protestant, and was very early involved in talking about the pedophile coverup by the catholic church - biggest pedophile coverup in the history of the world.

In fact, I was kicked off freerepublic once and made a newspaper talking about it before everyone else was.

[Mesogen]

Can someone please explain why if one is gay you have reason to be proud of being gay? Isn't being human good enough? You can't have kids. What exactly are you proud of?

Ha ha! Gay people aren't sterile. They can have kids. :)

And check this out:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/images/sdpride.jpg

Of course, COX would donate!


word up to that!

A system of limited government requires that the people have some internal mechanism for self government (i.e. morality)

a degenerate mass of sex crazed , irresponsible and homosexual people will inevitablely self destruct and be governed by evil leaders who reflect their own depravity.

So you only advocate limited government if everyone acted like you? Otherwise, you'd sic the boys in blue on'em? Uh, yeah, that's not limited government.


Geeze. Our founders had laws against sodomy. And the country worked well. In fact, we had laws against sodomy 30 years ago too. Country worked well.

OUR COUNTRY WASN"T FASCIST THEN.

Tell that to the slaves.

40 years ago cops were hosing down black people in the street and chasing them down on country roads and blowing their brains out.

60 years ago mobs supported by cops were lynching black people for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

They probably murdered a few gay people while they were at it.

Is that the kind of limited government you want?

[ceakins]

Geeze. Our founders had laws against sodomy. And the country worked well. In fact, we had laws against sodomy 30 years ago too. Country worked well.

OUR COUNTRY WASN"T FASCIST THEN.

Completely disagree, any law passed to suppress the individual liberties of a minority group is fascist. Using your logic, slavery, and inter-racial marriage should also be barred.

[PaleoPaul]

Completely disagree, any law passed to suppress the individual liberties of a minority group is fascist. Using your logic, slavery, and inter-racial marriage should also be barred.
Yup. Our Founders weren't infallible.

[BeFranklin]

Tell that to the slaves.

40 years ago cops were hosing down black people in the street and chasing them down on country roads and blowing their brains out.

60 years ago mobs supported by cops were lynching black people for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

They probably murdered a few gay people while they were at it.

Is that the kind of limited government you want?

I was living 30 years ago. It was a lot more free than it is now.

The problem with the country isn't the government, its the people. The people voted the government in, and its the same people that see nothing wrong with 40% of kids being raised as bastards (according to the newest statistic, up 20% since 2002).

If you can't govern youself, you can't have self-government.

[BeFranklin]

Completely disagree, any law passed to suppress the individual liberties of a minority group is fascist.

Yes, so the minorty group of people that like to eat other people - cannibals, is surpressed because its the law. Logic.

[runningdiz]

WND is not as bad as prisonplanet but they do many of the same things that force an intelligent reader to question their stories legitimacy.

They mix truths/partial truths/untruths together into a cute little bowl of soup that gives the reader more often than not, the impression that the issue is much more concrete than it usually really is.

It's a lot easier to think omg the govt. controls the media than it is to sit down and analyze how many of the same corporations who control the media also own the majority of the congress via lobbying $$$ and therefore the agendas coincide.

I agree that WND and prisonplanet are bad places to get news. The articles can be very misleading and are almost always poorly written.

The article is very misleading. WND headline says this "free gifts attract kids to 'gay' day at ballpark"... anyone who goes to baseball games know that most stadiums have a free gift almost every game. So WND noticed the stadium was giving hats out that day and turned it in to "free gifts attract kids to 'gay' day at ballpark"

Everyone on here including myself complains about how the MSM distorts the truth to make a story. Well here is an excellent example of a "journalist" of a supposed anti MSM site doing the same thing. She completely bent the truth to make a story that would catch the reader's attention and used a bunch of unrelated things to fill the rest of the story. Why do people love this site and visit it when it does the same thing we all hate?

[ChaosControl]

When is straight pride day. I'm proud to be a normal guy who likes cute chicks. I want a day especially for me to declare my pride in that fact to the world.

And free gifts too.

Need a symbol though. The *****s got their rainbow. Maybe a flag with a silhouette of some chick? Oh and free popcorn and ball caps for the kids!

[Objectivist]

Statistically, a lot of homosexuals were molested as kids. (Hence, the saying homosexuals are recruited, not born). Maybe its a perversion of "getting over it", but if someone keeps on re-enacting it, they aren't getting over it.

Being proud might be to bring to justice the type of person that did it to you when you were a kid. Grow up already.

OK?

[Freedom 4 all]

When is straight pride day. I'm proud to be a normal guy who likes cute chicks. I want a day especially for me to declare my pride in that fact to the world.

And free gifts too.

Need a symbol though. The *****s got their rainbow. Maybe a flag with a silhouette of some chick? Oh and free popcorn and ball caps for the kids!

Straight White Republican Male Pride day FTW:D. I'd be all if favour of that although I suppose St. Paddy's day is that to a certain extent.

[heavenlyboy34]

When is straight pride day. I'm proud to be a normal guy who likes cute chicks. I want a day especially for me to declare my pride in that fact to the world.

And free gifts too.

Need a symbol though. The *****s got their rainbow. Maybe a flag with a silhouette of some chick? Oh and free popcorn and ball caps for the kids!

I think the symbol should be that naked lady silhouette that is often seen on truckers' mudflaps. ;):cool::D

[Freedom 4 all]

Statistically, a lot of homosexuals were molested as kids. (Hence, the saying homosexuals are recruited, not born). Maybe its a perversion of "getting over it", but if someone keeps on re-enacting it, they aren't getting over it.

Being proud might be to bring to justice the type of person that did it to you when you were a kid. Grow up already.

Do you have any evidence at all to back that up (no NARTH or Focus on Homophobia don't count). I ask because pretty much all legitimate psychologists threw that theory out years ago.

[heavenlyboy34]

Straight White Republican Male Pride day FTW:D. I'd be all if favour of that although I suppose St. Paddy's day is that to a certain extent.

nix the republican bit, and it's all good. Don't wanna be absurdly collectivist, ya know. :):cool:

[BenIsForRon]

Do you have any evidence at all to back that up (no NARTH or Focus on Homophobia don't count). I ask because pretty much all legitimate psychologists threw that theory out years ago.

BeFranklin probably won't answer that, he knows that all of his prejudices are based on outdated and disproven ideals. Yet he continues to spout out these threads, maybe he's just lashing out at the world for not being like he wants it to be?

[zach]

For those of you feeling left out:

WASP PRIDE!

Though I'm not a part of your group, I still hope you all seek the happiness you deserve as human beings. And yes, I support you all in every endeavor to achieve your dream, even if I don't agree with the ways by which it is manifested.

FWIW, we all deserve happiness, so take that statement however you want.

[ceakins]

Yes, so the minorty group of people that like to eat other people - cannibals, is surpressed because its the law. Logic.

Another logic bomb, since it would infringe on someone else's right to life to let cannibals to kill and eat people.

[Mosheh Thezion]

Are you actually serious? Straight ads of a similar nature are not, nor should they be banned. Have you ever heard of Lavalife? Match.com? or any other of those zillion sites?

OT: Seriously dudes, grow the fuck up. I'm a straight guy who loves the institution of the family and yet I get along fine with gay people using a simple policy, "I'll be your friend, just don't try to fuck me." Trust me, take that attitude towards gays and they will stop "destroying your family, community, children or any other bullshit you accuse them of." Seriously, if you truly hate them just leave them alone and, like bees they will leave you alone. And while I've never attended a gay parade myself I know straight people who went and were completely respected without being harrassed. IMO those firemen are just looking for free money.


Do you think for a moment, that I approve of Lavalife?.. HELL NO.

And matchdot.com... does not advertise sex... it advertises... match making, and love.. and relationships.... and on it.. all are welcome, with no reference to SEX.

AND WHAT MAKES YOU THINK I HATE THEM?... gays????

nope.. i have had lots of gay friends...

All i said... is there is no need to adertise sexual behavior....!!! PERIOD.

I MYSELF... HAVE BEEN TO A GAY PRIDE PARADE, WITH A GROUP OF FRIENDS, some of which were gay...

And what was sad about it... is... it was PARTLY... PARTLY.. PARTLY.. ABOUT GAY PRIDE... AND partly... about the idea that they should be free to express their sexuality in public... there were almost completely naken men... roller skating..

And expressions of sexual interest and suggestiveness in the floats.. sex sex sex

That not gay pride!!!!!! thats pride in having no moral boundries in behavior!!!!!

there is a difference..

-MEMAT

[Mosheh Thezion]

Believe it or not, I have gay friends, too. However, just being their friends is not going to stop them from promoting their sexual lifestyle as a "right" in public. They see this as another civil rights movement in America. I don't think all gays force their sexual views upon citizens, but it definitely seems to be an expanding majority. What's worse is that the State is actually supporting their lifestyle when it should be sanctioning it.



Well said.

AND THAT IS THE PROBLEM... if they stopped insisting on promoting their wild and loose behavior... then they would be accepted more readily...

it is the over promotion of loose standards in public view.. which is opposed!!!!

and rightly so.

-MEMAT

[Mosheh Thezion]

Ok, but they have to stop advertising straight sex, too. That's a lot more stuff than what's in your list.

they should not advertise sex... at all.

love is one thing.. and it is in the best interest of the state to promote families which can procreate....

Gay couples... gay people are only 13 % of society... and they should not be allowed to promote their lifestyle as if... its 50 / 50...

its just not... it does not benefit people to be gay.

THEY SHOULD BE FREE TO BE SO... but it behoves the state to promote what is best for the individual and children in general.


The main arguement... of most gay people.. is.. "THEY ARE BORN THAT WAY!!!"

aND IF THAT IS THE CASE... then why do they need advertising?? and promotion?

they dont... not if it is natural and biological.

They should only be asking for understanding and tolerance.. not the acceptance of open lude and free sexual behavior in public... and NOT IN FRONT OF CHILDREN.

-MEMAT

[Mosheh Thezion]

I'd rather my kid see this than some mutilated baby on a protest sign in front of a planned parent hood that doesn't do abortions right next to a movie theater that shows kids movies.


So... it would be ok.. if your child.. who for example.. may not be naturally gay.. is influenced and told.... being gay is ok... its cool... and shown how it is done?

and is influenced to think... its perfectly normal..

knowing.. that kids.. dont know any better... and experiment..

You.. think it is ok... for them to be influenced... and then.. as a young teenage boy.. with raging hormones... to try it with their friends...??

why not... alittle butt sex... a few blow jobs... no big deal eh?



you would prefer that, than to show your kid, what happens to aborted babies?

-MEMAT

[Mosheh Thezion]

LOOK PEOPLE...

people... under the common law... constitutional law.. are very free to be gay... SURE.!!

aND WE MUST ALLOW THEM TO BE FREE TO BE GAY.... SURE..


BUT..

THAT IS NOT THE SAME AS PUBLIC DISPLAYS OF LOOSE LUDE BEHAVIOR.

especially in front of children, .. or where children may observe it.


I oppose sex ad's on billboards of all kinds...
I oppose clothing ads, which show almost naked men and women.
I oppose ads for gay cruises, and staright cruises, if there is any suggestion of SEX!!!

ANYWHERE... where a fragile inoccent child may see it... then it behoves the state to prevent all references to sexual behavior.

facts are facts... 85% will naturally be straight.
13% will have natural gay tendencies.

We dont need to do anything, like advertise sex.

What is sad.. is morality has been lost in america.. and with it.. censorship of immoral loose sexual behavior...

it is a violation of the common law for you to influence my kids with your views on sex.

And it should be apposed... and it is the duty of the parents to influence them, period.

not schools.. not bill boards... and not parades which promote how to sessions on sex acts!!!

its really that simple.

I oppose sex chat line, advertisements.. unless the ad is disguised so as to make it as innocent as possible... i.e.. so innocent that kids wont understand what is being offered.

adults.. will still know.

so there is no need for girls on chat line commercials to act sexy, and say how lonely they are, and that they just want to talk to you with a pouty face... no need at all.

Adults know.. a chat line.. advertised by a girl in a conservative outfit. is still a chat line.

if we can ban, under the common law lude behavior with sexual intent for straights, then it will automatically apply to homosexuals as well... fair is fair.

I SAY... AMERICA NEEDS TO CLEAN UP ITS STREETS AND AIR WAYS...

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

-MEMAT

[Chamdar]

Whenever I hear about gay pride parades, I'm reminded of this old article from The Onion.
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28491

[ceakins]

So... it would be ok.. if your child.. who for example.. may not be naturally gay.. is influenced and told.... being gay is ok... its cool... and shown how it is done?

and is influenced to think... its perfectly normal..

knowing.. that kids.. dont know any better... and experiment..

You.. think it is ok... for them to be influenced... and then.. as a young teenage boy.. with raging hormones... to try it with their friends...??

why not... alittle butt sex... a few blow jobs... no big deal eh?



you would prefer that, than to show your kid, what happens to aborted babies?

-MEMAT

Did I say that [Personal insult redacted]?

[Freedom 4 all]

So... it would be ok.. if your child.. who for example.. may not be naturally gay.. is influenced and told.... being gay is ok... its cool... and shown how it is done?

and is influenced to think... its perfectly normal..

knowing.. that kids.. dont know any better... and experiment..

You.. think it is ok... for them to be influenced... and then.. as a young teenage boy.. with raging hormones... to try it with their friends...??

why not... alittle butt sex... a few blow jobs... no big deal eh?



you would prefer that, than to show your kid, what happens to aborted babies?

-MEMAT

Homosexual marriage has been accepted and legal for as long as I can remember in Canada where I grew up. Do you actually believe that straight dudes can get TRICKED into doing gay things because of hormones? Male hormones tell us to go after girls, not each other.

[BeFranklin]

Another logic bomb, since it would infringe on someone else's right to life to let cannibals to kill and eat people.

I don't want to take this any more off the original topic from the original post then it is, but that doesn't follow at all.
In fact, its has happened.

Thank God we have laws against it here. A libertine (and not necessarily libertarian) view would be you can do anything
you want as long as it is consensuel between the two parties most immediatly involved.

http://www.thestar.co.za/index.php?fArticleId=27568


German cannibal kills, devours gay volunteer in bizarre pact
December 13, 2002 Edition -1


Berlin - German police are watching home videos made by a sex cannibal.

The man apparently shared a last meal of flambéed penis with his willing victim before carving him up and freezing the man's remaining body parts to eat later.

Prosecutors in Kassel said yesterday the 41-year-old homosexual, who has confessed, was not being treated as insane.

Germany's more sensational newspapers were packed with lurid details.

Police arrested the man after he posted an Internet advert seeking another male volunteer to satisfy his appetites.

This story illustrates the utter failure of "libertine" thought to replace morality in the last thirty years. It is sickening in fact.

[BuddyRey]

This thread is gay.

[zach]

This thread is gay.

I move to end it before it turns into a moralistic name-calling match.

[Mosheh Thezion]

Homosexual marriage has been accepted and legal for as long as I can remember in Canada where I grew up. Do you actually believe that straight dudes can get TRICKED into doing gay things because of hormones? Male hormones tell us to go after girls, not each other.


to many children... are nowadays.. calling themselves bi....

why??

because the media.. and schools tell them its ok.
if everyone... including parents.. tell kids its ok...
then kids... who dont know any better... think its ok.
kids... try things.. experiment.

that IS A FACT.

if you dont see this... then you are blind.

influence on the mind of children is a very powerful thing.

and too many modern influences are wrong... and would please Satan, if he exists.

-MEMAT

[zach]

to many children... are nowadays.. calling themselves bi....

why??

because the media.. and schools tell them its ok.
if everyone... including parents.. tell kids its ok...
then kids... who dont know any better... think its ok.
kids... try things.. experiment.

that IS A FACT.

if you dont see this... then you are blind.

influence on the mind of children is a very powerful thing.

and too many modern influences are wrong... and would please Satan, if he exists.

-MEMAT

I call myself bisexual because of my attraction to both men and women.

And no, I didn't decide this because I was told it was okay by pop culture and that garbage. And I don't give a damn if it's cool or not.

[LibertyEagle]

This thread seems to have run its course. I'm closing it, before it becomes an all out personal insult thread.