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tonesforjonesbones
05-19-2009, 04:41 PM
THE U.S. GOVERNMENT HAS BECOME PATENTLY ANTI-CHRISTIAN



By Chuck Baldwin
May 19, 2009
NewsWithViews.com

From the writings of Columbus to the Mayflower Compact, to the Declaration of Independence, America's founders clearly and articulately enshrined bedrock Christian principles in the foundation of this country.

For example, in explaining the purpose of his journey that led to the discovery of the new world, Christopher Columbus said, "It was the Lord who put into my mind--I could feel His hand upon me--the fact that it would be possible to sail from here to the Indies . . . All who heard of my project rejected it with laughter, ridiculing me . . . There is no question that the inspiration was from the Holy Spirit, because he comforted me with rays of marvelous illumination from the Holy Scriptures . . . For the execution of the journey to the Indies I did not make use of intelligence, mathematics, or maps. It is simply the fulfillment of what Isaiah had prophesied . . . No one should fear to undertake any task in the name of our Savior, if it is just and if the intention is purely for His Holy service . . . the fact that the Gospel must still be preached to so many lands in such a short time--this is what convinces me." (Source: Columbus' Book of Prophecies)

Our pilgrim fathers wrote in the Mayflower Compact, "In the name of God, Amen. We whose names are underwritten . . . Having undertaken, for the glory of God and the advancement of the Christian faith . . . a voyage to plant the first colony in the Northern parts of Virginia."

In the Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson invokes our Creator-God no less than four times. In fact, Jefferson predicates the Declaration on "the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God" and concludes the Declaration with an appeal to the "Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions" and with "a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence."

Attorney and author, John Whitehead, in his book, The Separation Illusion, rightly noted, "In 1892, the United States Supreme Court made an exhaustive study of the supposed connection between Christianity and the government of the United States. After reviewing hundreds of volumes of historical documents, the Court asserted, 'These references . . . add a volume of unofficial declarations to the mass of organic utterances that this is a religious people . . . a Christian nation.' Likewise, in 1931, Supreme Court Justice George Sutherland reviewed the 1892 decision in reference to another case and reiterated that Americans are a 'Christian people.' And in 1952, Justice William O. Douglas affirmed that 'we are a religious people and our institutions presuppose a Supreme Being.'"

Accordingly, our U. S. Constitution is dated: (1) from the birth of Christ, and (2) from the birth of our independence (Article. VII.). Secondly, the Constitution requires the President and Congress to respect "the Christian Sabbath" (Sunday) as a day "excepted" from governmental business (Article. I. Section. 7.). Thirdly, the First Amendment prohibits the U.S. Congress from making any law "respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." In other words, the federal government has no right to interfere with the free expression of religion (by individuals or States) in any shape, manner, or form. Fourthly, Article. VI. of the Constitution prohibits any religious test as a qualification for public office.

The intent of the Constitution's framers was, therefore, in the matter of religion (especially the Christian religion, whose adherents birthed America), that the federal government would maintain a healthy respect for it, and keep its hands off. For the last several years, however, instead of respecting religion--especially the Christian religion--the leaders of our federal government have increasingly demonstrated animosity, and even hostility, toward both the Christian faith and Christian people.

While claiming to be "tolerant" and "pluralistic," our federal government, in practice, shows little tolerance or pluralism regarding Christianity. Time and again, Christian practices and people are singled out for humiliation, persecution, or retribution. This situation follows an eerily similar pattern to that of the old Holy Roman Empire.

The Roman Empire loved to tout its tolerance for any and all faith systems. One common adage at the time was that "there are as many gods in Rome as people." So tolerant was Rome for myriad religious beliefs that it even constructed an altar to the "UNKNOWN GOD," for fear that it may have neglected to honor someone's obscure god.

Why was it, then, that the Roman Empire took delight in publicly persecuting, torturing, and executing Christians? What happened to tolerance? What happened to pluralism? In direct contravention of its own laws and policies, Rome singled out Christianity for public repudiation. And that is exactly what the U.S. government is currently doing. I'll say it outright: the U.S. government has become patently anti-Christian.

In spite of Constitutional requirements to keep its hands off religious liberty, the U.S. government routinely singles out Christian practices for public repudiation. For years now, federal judges have demanded that local schools (under the jurisdiction of local and state governments) prohibit prayers or Bible reading.

Does anyone find it a little interesting that all over America, while Christian students are denied the right to pray or read the Bible in public schools, Muslim students are not only allowed to pray in public schools, but are also often provided special prayer rooms within the schools so that those students may leave their classrooms and pray? In fact, in some school districts, if the Muslim prayer time interferes with a student's tests, the student is many times free to make up the test in order that he or she may be faithful to the prayer meeting. Of course, the reading of the Koran is also included in the Muslim's prayer time. All of this is done with the full knowledge and blessing of the U.S. government (and the ACLU, by the way), including the myriad federal courts--courts that are always "fast on the draw" to squash any and all attempts by Christians to pray or read their Bibles in public schools.

And it is not just the Muslim religion that meets with the approval of the U.S. government. Federal courts find no fault in public school students observing Kwanzaa, celebrating the pagan holiday of Halloween, or engaging in various eastern religious practices such as Hindu meditation. At least one school district in Utah has allowed Tibetan monks to conduct Tantric Buddhist devotionals in its public schools. At least two schools in California have even introduced New Age curricula honoring Lucifer to their students. Basically, any and all religious beliefs are condoned and tolerated by the U.S. government--every belief system except Christianity, that is.

In addition, how many local or State courts have been ordered by federal judges to remove any and all copies of the Ten Commandments or other scriptural references from their buildings? How many local governments have been ordered by federal judges to remove any and all Nativity or Manger scenes from their properties? How many chaplains have been ordered to remove Bibles from soldiers, sailors, or Marines? How many Bibles have been destroyed by orders from military commanders? How many prisoners or detainees have been denied Bibles (even when requested) by order of military brass? How many military officers have been overlooked for promotion (and thus drubbed out of military service) for not being willing to surrender their Christian convictions to "sensitivity" or "diversity" training (a euphemism for homosexual brainwashing)? How many times has the U.S. government quietly looked the other way when Christian people have been slaughtered en masse? (Can anyone say, "Sudan"?) How many Christian chaplains in the armed forces have been ordered to not pray in Jesus' name? How many pro-life Christians have been targeted by federal police agencies for special scrutiny? How many sheriffs' offices (run and managed by Christian law enforcement officers) have been denied federal funds for not submitting to a variety of repulsive policies mandated by the federal government?

Then there is this AP story: "Iraq has lost more than half the Christians who once called it home, mostly since the war began, and few who fled have plans to return." The report continued, saying, "The number of Arab Christians has plummeted across the Mideast in recent years as increasing numbers seek to move to the West, saying they feel increasingly unwelcome in the Middle East and want a better life abroad.

"But the exodus has been particularly stark in Iraq--where sectarian violence since the U.S.-led 2003 invasion has often targeted Christians.

"The AP found that hundreds of thousands of Christians have fled." (Source: The Associated Press, Thursday, May 14, 2009)

To highlight the AP report, in 1987, there were 1.4 million Christians in Iraq. Now there are fewer than 400,000. For all of Saddam Hussein's sins, persecution of Christians was not one of them. Under Hussein's regime, Christians, for the most part, led a persecution-free existence--something extremely rare in Muslim countries. In fact, Saddam Hussein even had Christians serving in his administrative cabinet.

Enter the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq.

Since removing Saddam Hussein, the U.S. government has installed an Islamic puppet government, which has resulted in the persecution of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi Christians.

I hope all the evangelical Christians who continue to support George W. Bush and his unconstitutional, preemptive invasion of Iraq are paying attention. I hope all my Christian friends who kept trumpeting the unconstitutional policies of President Bush, "because he is a Christian," are paying attention. I really wish that James Dobson and his ilk would have been as outraged at the unconstitutional (not to mention unchristian) policies of the former Republican President as they are the current Democratic President, because, for all intents and purposes, the federal government is functioning in exactly the same way under one as it did under the other.


Whether domestically or internationally, the U.S. government is obviously committed to an anti-Christian agenda. Where the federal government once respected Christianity and vowed to not interfere with the faith and practices of Christian people, it has now become an archenemy of religious liberty. With virtually every constitutional safeguard being violated by the modern federal government, about all that is left is for the constitutional prohibition of government business being conducted on Sundays to be expunged. Don't be surprised, therefore, when federal courts begin mandating that public schools require students to attend class on the Lord's Day.


If we are to restore the principles of religious liberty, it will be necessary for State governments--and for Christian people in particular--to stand united against an ever-growing, ever-menacing federal leviathan that is intent on destroying the safeguards and foundations of a once-proud constitutional republic, which was, after all, rooted and founded upon Christian principles.

© 2009 Chuck Baldwin - All Rights Reserved

Chuck Baldwin is Founder-Pastor of Crossroads Baptist Church in Pensacola, Florida. In 1985 the church was recognized by President Ronald Reagan for its unusual growth and influence.

Dr. Baldwin is the host of a lively, hard-hitting syndicated radio talk show on the Genesis Communications Network called, "Chuck Baldwin Live" This is a daily, one hour long call-in show in which Dr. Baldwin addresses current event topics from a conservative Christian point of view. Pastor Baldwin writes weekly articles on the internet http://www.ChuckBaldwinLive.com and newspapers.

To learn more about his radio talk show please visit his web site at: www.chuckbaldwinlive.com. When responding, please include your name, city and state.

E-mail: chuck@chuckbaldwinlive.com

disorderlyvision
05-19-2009, 05:59 PM
The only thing that bothers me about the Constitution party is they act like a bunch of religious zealots. Just as soon not have a party ramming religion down my throat.

heavenlyboy34
05-19-2009, 06:06 PM
Thanx, Tones. I hope that if this kind of thing keeps making headlines, Christians will wake up and demand an end to the tyranny that is the government! :) ~hugs Tones~

Njon
05-19-2009, 06:10 PM
The only thing that bothers me about the Constitution party is they act like a bunch of religious zealots. Just as soon not have a party ramming religion down my throat.

Having and expressing a belief --- even trying to persuade someone else to believe it, too --- is not the same thing as trying to force someone else to believe it.

Also, the Constitution Party is composed of people with very different theological beliefs. For example, Protestants and Mormons are starkly different, but the Constitution Party has both in its membership.

Conza88
05-19-2009, 06:20 PM
Government by definition is anti Christian...

phill4paul
05-19-2009, 06:37 PM
No more so than the truth that the government is anti-me. Cry me a river over your personal persecution. No one is free until everyone is free. There is no discrimination including, but not excluding freedom of religion.
The only way you have to feel superior, in a country that rapes you as an insignificant minority, is to push the power of your belief to the detriment of other freedom fighters and thus alienate them and empower those which seek to separate. If you continue this tactic then we all fail.

Brooklyn Red Leg
05-19-2009, 06:41 PM
Having and expressing a belief --- even trying to persuade someone else to believe it, too --- is not the same thing as trying to force someone else to believe it.

Perhaps you haven't see The Constitution Party's stance on marriage?

ARealConservative
05-19-2009, 06:42 PM
15 minutes were up some time ago.

mediahasyou
05-19-2009, 06:44 PM
Government by definition is anti Christian...

Agreed. "Thou shall not steal" is one of the most basic principles of Christianity.

GBurr
05-19-2009, 07:04 PM
I think Baldwin is trying to reach out to the neocon Christians. He is using government's persecution of Christianity as a means to reach people. Young evangelical Christians like myself are usually very open to the ideas of Liberty when presented. I have had great success with educating members of youth groups. The older Christians in evangelical churches tend to be Neocons. The best way to reach them is to first get them to identify with an idea that they already support. This can be a issue like gun control, taxes, homeschooling, or in this case government persecution of religion. With each new issue the person will question government more and more. It is a domino affect.

When we as a movement try to educate people on the principles of liberty we all to often try to challenge their strongest held belief. This is done in error. We should begin by talking about common beliefs. Then tie the common beliefs into issues that the person is apathetic toward. The next stop is to start to confront the beliefs that they don't care much about but still hold an opinion. Finally, you should challenge their deepest beliefs. When done right the process has a domino affect in which the person begins to question everything. This makes your attempts much easier.

Chuck Baldwin is a pastor who deals with evangelical neocons everyday. If anyone knows how to reach them it is Chuck. This is the same reason people who come from a very "liberal Democrat" family or school have an easier time reaching out to Democrats than they do neocon Republicans.

anaconda
05-19-2009, 07:13 PM
God bless Chuck Baldwin. Let us pray to a Christian deity that he see the wisdom of separation of church and state. Don't get me wrong, I would have voted for him if RP was not an official write-in candidate here in CA.

Njon
05-19-2009, 07:18 PM
Perhaps you haven't see The Constitution Party's stance on marriage?

Government shouldn't be involved in marriage period. But in the status quo, forcing society thru our government to recognize homosexual 'unions' when most of us do not believe in them is leftist political-correctness.

A quote to consider:


"If I were in Congress in 1996, I would have voted for the Defense of Marriage Act, which used Congress’s constitutional authority to define what official state documents other states have to recognize under the Full Faith and Credit Clause, to ensure that no state would be forced to recognize a “same sex” marriage license issued in another state. This Congress, I was an original cosponsor of the Marriage Protection Act, HR 3313, that removes challenges to the Defense of Marriage Act from federal courts’ jurisdiction. If I were a member of the Texas legislature, I would do all I could to oppose any attempt by rogue judges to impose a new definition of marriage on the people of my state.
[...]
Because of the dangers to liberty and traditional values posed by the unexpected consequences of amending the Constitution to strip power from the states and the people and further empower Washington, I cannot in good conscience support the marriage amendment to the United States Constitution. Instead, I plan to continue working to enact the Marriage Protection Act and protect each state’s right not to be forced to recognize a same sex marriage."

- Dr. Paul
"Cultural Conservatives Lose if Gay Marriage is Federalized"
September 30, 2004
Cited from http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/document.php?id=590

Andrew-Austin
05-19-2009, 07:20 PM
The government has become anti - a lot - of things.

Original_Intent
05-19-2009, 08:31 PM
YouTube - Wang Chung - Praying To A New God (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sne3F2fIlTM)

Anti Federalist
05-19-2009, 10:59 PM
The government has become anti - a lot - of things.

Yeah, this.

Dorfsmith
05-19-2009, 11:01 PM
The only thing that bothers me about the Constitution party is they act like a bunch of religious zealots. Just as soon not have a party ramming religion down my throat.

X2. I like Chuck but sometimes he and the CP rub me the wrong way.

nobody's_hero
05-20-2009, 05:27 AM
I think Baldwin is trying to reach out to the neocon Christians. He is using government's persecution of Christianity as a means to reach people. Young evangelical Christians like myself are usually very open to the ideas of Liberty when presented. I have had great success with educating members of youth groups. The older Christians in evangelical churches tend to be Neocons. The best way to reach them is to first get them to identify with an idea that they already support. This can be a issue like gun control, taxes, homeschooling, or in this case government persecution of religion. With each new issue the person will question government more and more. It is a domino affect.

When we as a movement try to educate people on the principles of liberty we all to often try to challenge their strongest held belief. This is done in error. We should begin by talking about common beliefs. Then tie the common beliefs into issues that the person is apathetic toward. The next stop is to start to confront the beliefs that they don't care much about but still hold an opinion. Finally, you should challenge their deepest beliefs. When done right the process has a domino affect in which the person begins to question everything. This makes your attempts much easier.

Chuck Baldwin is a pastor who deals with evangelical neocons everyday. If anyone knows how to reach them it is Chuck. This is the same reason people who come from a very "liberal Democrat" family or school have an easier time reaching out to Democrats than they do neocon Republicans.

ABSOLUTELY!

One of my favorite articles by Chuck was "The Religious Right is AWOL from this War". (http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin458.htm)

Disclaimer: I haven't been to church in four years. You could hardly call me a devout Christian in the orthodox sense.

Working Poor
05-20-2009, 06:09 AM
2. I like Chuck but sometimes he and the CP rub me the wrong way.

Yea that's the devil sifting you...

ChaosControl
05-20-2009, 06:59 AM
Government by definition is anti Christian...

True since ultimately government is just a replacement for religion/god.
They serve very similar purposes.

Hmm I voted Baldwin since RP wasn't a candidate here. I stand by my vote, even though I am not religious.

Krugerrand
05-20-2009, 07:45 AM
I can certainly see why many people would feel that way.

It is only somewhat recently that public schools have been secularized. While not Protestant in name, they were in practicality. That is primarily why Jewish and Catholic schools came into existence ... as an alternative to the Protestant (public) schools.

Most people in the country were alive when Jewish people were not allowed to vote in some states(my estimate). Catholics were not allowed to vote in North Carolina for the state's first 60 years.

While now most people will group Protestant, Catholic, and Mormon together all as "Christian" that was not always the case. There's a reason Mormons are in Utah and it's not because Mr. Young thought it was a good vacation spot.

Protestant was the way of the land for a LONG time. Separation of Church and State are relatively recent realities. To go from public schools that taught the Protestant faith, that prayed the Protestant prayers, to schools now where Jesus is a name that is not allowed to be spoken, where a school is out of line to assume that a child has a mother and father, where Christmas songs are banned and books about Johnny's two daddies are mandatory. Yeah, I can see people that grew up in the former seeing the latter as anti-Christian.

Instead of vilifying Protestants who feel this way ... it should be brought to their attention that this is why they were wrong to use public money for "their" education system in the first place.

Chuck brings up Iraqi Christians ... but these are primarily Orthodox Christians that Protestants historically wanted nothing to do with.

Chuck mentions "pagan holiday of Halloween." Is this a slip on his part when the name comes from the Catholic Celebration of the vigil of All Saints Day, "All Hallows Eve?"

As I read my post ... I can see someone asking ... "what's your point?" ... so here it is ... I can appreciate the despair of the Christian Right. They wrongly enjoyed a place of privilege for a long time in US history. The institutions they created ... especially the public schools ... haunt us today. I think Chuck is on the right track to guide them to libertarian thinking. I think they need to see that their best hope is in a country that sticks to it's ideals of minimal government. I think non-Christian-Right libertarian minded folk should encourage them on this path and be patient with them.