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disorderlyvision
05-17-2009, 06:31 PM
http://archives.chicagotribune.com/2009/may/07/news/chi-ap-wi-gps-police

From the Chicago Tribune...

MADISON, Wis. - Wisconsin police can attach GPS to cars to secretly track anybody’s movements without obtaining search warrants, an appeals court ruled Thursday.

However, the District 4 Court of Appeals said it was “more than a little troubled” by that conclusion and asked Wisconsin lawmakers to regulate GPS use to protect against abuse by police and private individuals.

As the law currently stands, the court said police can mount GPS on cars to track people without violating their constitutional rights – even if the drivers aren’t suspects.

Officers do not need to get warrants beforehand because GPS tracking does not involve a search or a seizure, Judge Paul Lundsten wrote for the unanimous three-judge panel based in Madison.

That means “police are seemingly free to secretly track anyone’s public movements with a GPS device,” he wrote.

One privacy advocate said the decision opened the door for greater government surveillance of citizens. Meanwhile, law enforcement officials called the decision a victory for public safety because tracking devices are an increasingly important tool in investigating criminal behavior.

The ruling came in a 2003 case involving Michael Sveum, a Madison man who was under investigation for stalking. Police got a warrant to put a GPS on his car and secretly attached it while the vehicle was parked in Sveum’s driveway. The device recorded his car’s movements for five weeks before police retrieved it and downloaded the information.

The information suggested Sveum was stalking the woman, who had gone to police earlier with suspicions. Police got a second warrant to search his car and home, found more evidence and arrested him. He was convicted of stalking and sentenced to prison.

Sveum, 41, argued the tracking violated his Fourth Amendment protection against unreasonable search and seizure. He argued the device followed him into areas out of public view, such as his garage.

The court disagreed. The tracking did not violate constitutional protections because the device only gave police information that could have been obtained through visual surveillance, Lundsten wrote.

Even though the device followed Sveum’s car to private places, an officer tracking Sveum could have seen when his car entered or exited a garage, Lundsten reasoned. Attaching the device was not a violation, he wrote, because Sveum’s driveway is a public place.

“We discern no privacy interest protected by the Fourth Amendment that is invaded when police attach a device to the outside of a vehicle, as long as the information obtained is the same as could be gained by the use of other techniques that do not require a warrant,” he wrote.

Although police obtained a warrant in this case, it wasn’t needed, he added.

Larry Dupuis, legal director of the ACLU of Wisconsin, said using GPS to track someone’s car goes beyond observing them in public and should require a warrant.

“The idea that you can go and attach anything you want to somebody else’s property without any court supervision, that’s wrong,” he said. “Without a warrant, they can do this on anybody they want.”

Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen’s office, which argued in favor of the warrantless GPS tracking, praised the ruling but would not elaborate on its use in Wisconsin.

David Banaszynski, president of the Wisconsin Chiefs of Police Association, said his department in the Milwaukee suburb of Shorewood does not use GPS. But other departments might use it to track drug dealers, burglars and stalkers, he said.

A state law already requires the Department of Corrections to track the state’s most dangerous sex offenders using GPS. The author of that law, Rep. Scott Suder, R-Abbotsford, said the decision shows “GPS tracking is an effective means of protecting public safety.”

foofighter20x
05-18-2009, 12:07 AM
Yeah... I doubt this will stand on appeal.

As Justice Stewart wrote for the majority in Katz v. United States, "The Fourth Amendment protects people, not property."

The opinion of the judge that upheld the placement of the GPS was THE SAME argument the U.S. used in Katz, and it didn't work.

I doubt any intelligent appellate judge would uphold the placement of a GPS tracker without a warrant.

Visually following someone while in a vehicle versus placing a GPS on the vehicle which allows police to track out-of-sight are not the same thing. The former requires police follow the person surveilled by maintaining enough of a proximity to the tracked person as to not lose line-of-sight contact for enough of a period that said person "shakes" the tailing officer.

GPS requires no such police work.

Were I the judge, absent a warrant, I'd chuck any evidence obtained thereby during motion in limine arguments.

John of Des Moines
05-18-2009, 02:05 AM
Might be a good idea to put gps tracker units on the judges' vehicles.

LATruth
05-18-2009, 02:25 AM
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Objectivist
05-18-2009, 02:50 AM
$50 gets you a jammer, so screw em and all the money they'll waste with gizmos.

Mosheh Thezion
05-18-2009, 03:08 AM
so.. what happens if i find such a device... and smash it???

am I destroying government property... ha.

.. I SMELL A RAT... a smelly rat... but if... the police were to gain a warrent before hand, and do it only for suspects in serious cases.. then.. and only then... should it be allowed.


I have heard... that the police dont need a warrent to tap your phone anymore, if... if... they claim it is part of a drug investigation..

and im sorry... they should have to get a warrent.. and get a judge to sign off on it... otherwise.. it becomes an unlimited survalence state.. where police can do as they please.

sorry... but no thank you.

-MEMAT

LATruth
05-18-2009, 03:10 AM
it becomes an unlimited survalence state..


Ahhh... Amerikkka, home of the suspect.

Objectivist
05-18-2009, 03:10 AM
so.. what happens if i find such a device... and smash it???

am I destroying government property... ha.

.. I SMELL A RAT... a smelly rat... but if... the police were to gain a warrent before hand, and do it only for suspects in serious cases.. then.. and only then... should it be allowed.


I have heard... that the police dont need a warrent to tap your phone anymore, if... if... they claim it is part of a drug investigation..

and im sorry... they should have to get a warrent.. and get a judge to sign off on it... otherwise.. it becomes an unlimited survalence state.. where police can do as they please.

sorry... but no thank you.

-MEMAT

All calls are monitored in this country.

Kilrain
05-18-2009, 03:19 AM
Retarded ruling IMO. It's private property FFS! Sticking something on it is vandalism or defacement or whatever you might call it.

And if you want to extrapolate a bit: If the police (or anyone else) are able to deface private property, then it should stand to reason that things like graffiti would be perfectly legal. You're just putting something on private property. The paint doesn't "damage" a structure, it merely covers it up, just like a GPS device on a car (just on a larger scale).

Edit: And no, I'm not defending graffiti, just in case someone got that idea.

Objectivist
05-18-2009, 03:24 AM
Retarded ruling IMO. It's private property FFS! Sticking something on it is vandalism or defacement or whatever you might call it.

And if you want to extrapolate a bit: If the police (or anyone else) are able to deface private property, then it should stand to reason that things like graffiti would be perfectly legal. You're just putting something on private property. The paint doesn't "damage" a structure, it merely covers it up, just like a GPS device on a car (just on a larger scale).

Edit: And no, I'm not defending graffiti, just in case someone got that idea.

Tampering With a Motor Vehicle.

Mosheh Thezion
05-18-2009, 03:31 AM
All calls are monitored in this country.

HA.. yes... sadly... this is not acceptable.

-MEMAT

LATruth
05-18-2009, 03:36 AM
All calls are monitored in this country.

By Israel, via AMDOCS.

Also echelon and the NSA...

Objectivist
05-18-2009, 03:39 AM
By Israel, via AMDOCS.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Gordon

LATruth
05-18-2009, 03:44 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Gordon

Yes, they (the army) wanted to send me there after I took the asvab and dlab (defense language aptitude battery) for a signals intelligence job. They were pissed when I walked out and didn't sign a damn thing, I was 16 and a senior in high school... kinda spooked me out.

Objectivist
05-18-2009, 03:45 AM
Yes, they (the army) wanted to send me there after I took the asvab and dlab (defense language aptitude battery) for a signals intelligence job. They were pissed when I walked out and didn't sign a damn thing, I was 16 and a senior in high school... kinda spooked me out.

I live here with DLI and NPGS.

Mosheh Thezion
05-18-2009, 03:46 AM
escalon... is in australia... because of laws.. saying the us.. cannot spy on its own people.

so.. we spy on autralia... australia spys on us... and etc....and since we are friends.. and share info... it allows us to all spy on each other.

which.. is just wrong.

-MEMAT

Krugerrand
05-18-2009, 06:31 AM
I'm confused. The conclusion was that a warrant was not required when the appealed case had a warrant?


Officers do not need to get warrants beforehand because GPS tracking does not involve a search or a seizure, Judge Paul Lundsten wrote for the unanimous three-judge panel based in Madison.


The ruling came in a 2003 case involving Michael Sveum, a Madison man who was under investigation for stalking. Police got a warrant to put a GPS on his car and secretly attached it while the vehicle was parked in Sveum’s driveway.

Why would the court rule a warrant is not necessary if one was issued in the first place? I see it as a very different case when a warrant is issued.