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torchbearer
05-15-2009, 04:02 PM
Chavez can not allow Obama to outdo him. He has a reputation to uphold as the most socialist kid on the block. Barry is threatening his title.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8053006.stm

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45782000/jpg/_45782156_cargillpastaap.jpg

Venezuela seizes US pasta company


Venezuelan officials accompanied by soldiers have seized "temporary" control of a US-owned pasta producer.

Venezuela says the plant, owned by the big US firm Cargill, had violated regulations on price controls intended to guarantee cheap food for the poor.

The move further increases President Hugo Chavez's hold on the economy, after a series of recent take-overs of private and foreign-owned businesses.

They include a Cargill rice plant, and services companies in the oil industry.

Deputy Food Minister Rafael Coronado said the government would run the factory for 90 days, and would reassess the situation after that.

He said it has not been producing sufficient quantities of a type of pasta sold at cheap, government-established prices.

Price control

The Cargill rice mill, taken over by the government for not producing rice covered by price controls, was similarly taken over this year. It was nationalised last March.

Cargill had said it did not break the government's pricing rules on rice because the mill did not produce the plain rice which is regulated.

Venezuela has set quotas and prices for 12 basic foods including rice, powdered milk, cheese and tomato sauce.

Under the measure, 80% of all rice produced must be basic white rice. The measure also includes 95% of all cooking oil, coffee and sugar.

Last week Mr Chavez sent troops to take over oil service companies including hundreds of supply boats, and two American owned gas facilities.

He nationalised Venezuela's oil reserves, the largest in the Americas, two years ago.

ClayTrainor
05-15-2009, 04:05 PM
Venezuela says the plant, owned by the big US firm Cargill, had violated regulations on price controls intended to guarantee cheap food for the poor.


Maybe the source of the problem isn't food companies chargine too much, Mr Chavez :rolleyes:

carmaphob
05-15-2009, 04:19 PM
Ahhh yeaya Boyyyy!

http://americandigest.org/strokeit.jpg

dannno
05-15-2009, 04:33 PM
Well the problem is that the people's land was stolen and their resources are being stolen. Chavez is trying to do the impossible of feeding large city populations which generally experience large increases with food and items being produced for profit, for export, by multinational corporations.

I'm not sure what the answer is, but I do know that Chavez is fighting for the people of his country against the globalists.

Johnnybags
05-15-2009, 04:43 PM
In fact I bet its more temporary than our TARP investments.

akihabro
05-15-2009, 04:47 PM
Ahhh yeaya Boyyyy!

http://americandigest.org/strokeit.jpg

Chavez: I'll teach this new kid on the block what socialism is!
Obama: I'll show him socialism and destroy the country too!

carmaphob
05-15-2009, 04:57 PM
http://americandigest.org/strokeit.jpg


Chavez: I'll teach this new kid on the block what socialism is!
Obama: I'll show him socialism and destroy the country too!


Guy in the back: Obama is cuter in person, Jesus Christ.

http://adayofrites.blogsome.com/images/charakteremrslave.jpg

devil21
05-15-2009, 05:02 PM
Couldnt have happened to a nicer company! Cargill is lumped right in there with Monsanto and the rest of the Codex Alimentarius world food control catalyst corporations.

Met Income
05-15-2009, 05:33 PM
Well the problem is that the people's land was stolen and their resources are being stolen. Chavez is trying to do the impossible of feeding large city populations which generally experience large increases with food and items being produced for profit, for export, by multinational corporations.

I'm not sure what the answer is, but I do know that Chavez is fighting for the people of his country against the globalists.

So if A steals from B, then B can steal from C?

No.

LibForestPaul
05-15-2009, 09:31 PM
So if A steals from B, then B can steal from C?

No.

Only if B has a bigger gun then A, hollah!

The_Orlonater
05-15-2009, 09:36 PM
Well the problem is that the people's land was stolen and their resources are being stolen. Chavez is trying to do the impossible of feeding large city populations which generally experience large increases with food and items being produced for profit, for export, by multinational corporations.

I'm not sure what the answer is, but I do know that Chavez is fighting for the people of his country against the globalists.

Wow, they sell Venezuelans goods and services.

Cowlesy
05-15-2009, 09:36 PM
It cracks me up that "Open Veins of Latin America" which is one of the first books I had to read as an economics major, is the same book Chavez gave to Obama to read.

stag15
05-15-2009, 09:38 PM
I work for Chavez.

idiom
05-15-2009, 10:05 PM
On the back of food stuffs the print their constitution. Thats pretty neat.

And at some point in the future, America is likely to default on it debts, which is accounting-wise the same as seizing a bunch of foreign stuff.

AutoDas
05-15-2009, 10:43 PM
So if A steals from B, then B can steal from C?

No.

But teh globalists ate my baby

torchbearer
05-16-2009, 10:24 AM
On the back of food stuffs the print their constitution. Thats pretty neat.

And at some point in the future, America is likely to default on it debts, which is accounting-wise the same as seizing a bunch of foreign stuff.

funny how Chavez ignores their constitution too. Dictators like to pretend they are democratically supported and follow a higher law, but they don't.

dannno
05-16-2009, 11:55 AM
So if A steals from B, then B can steal from C?

No.

There is no C, just A and B in this case, for the most part, though I guess you could consider C the "innocent" people working for the globalist corporations in that country which are at a competitive advantage due to their banking ties.. Let's face it, even if a "free market" right-wing dictator like Pinochet were installed in Chavez' place, the people are still totally screwed. You have to look at this situation realistically. You can either have the leader fighting for the poor people who represent the true owners of the land and resources, or you can have nobody fighting for them. There is also a third solution which would be destroying the central bank and giving the people their resources and land back to let THEM develop their country, make their own decisions, etc., but that would be very difficult in today's world as the globalists have ensured that Central Banks are installed everywhere. That is their tool for tyranny. The IMF is essentially a big colonialist organization.

dannno
05-16-2009, 11:59 AM
Wow, they sell Venezuelans goods and services.

No they don't, they export them. That is why the people have nothing, because the globalist corporations have complete control over the land and resources that used to belong to the people and now they are taking them and selling them to other countries where they can get a higher price in terms of dollars, creating massive shortages in their own country. It's not free market and it's not healthy.

dannno
05-16-2009, 12:00 PM
But teh globalists ate my baby

No, they stole your baby using a central banking scheme.

Chamdar
05-16-2009, 12:50 PM
While I was completely opposed to the Bush/Cheney junta's attempts to overthrow Chavez, there's no denying that he's full of crap. What else can you say about a guy who fancies himself a foe of neo-liberalism while he's rolling in Yanqui oil money?

I have more respect for even Fidel Castro than I do Chavez. At least he's been standing up to the U.S.A. all the way for the past 50 years.

Carole
05-16-2009, 01:20 PM
I am wondering if perhaps enough overseas countries seized the US corporations which are bleeding them overseas, then perhaps the US corporations would rethink their globalist agendas. :D :D

Imperfect though he is Chavez is in his own way trying to fight the globalist agenda.

Somehow I cannot feel sorry for Cargill.

JdotRdot
05-16-2009, 03:38 PM
the question is, what could Chavez do other than nationalize?? i doubt the company would give back the resources willingly

something similar is happening on an Island near here, where all the owners of businesses are americans. all the locals either sold their stores or their land, some forced. the majority of the people were employed by a US company, now that company has left & lost of local people are left with nothing...were they stupid?? yeah, sure. but what are you gonna do?? let the people starve like in africa?? what other possible solution other than taking back by force is there??

i myself can't think of another way & i haven't heard any other solutions proposed

Met Income
05-16-2009, 03:39 PM
There is no C, just A and B in this case, for the most part, though I guess you could consider C the "innocent" people working for the globalist corporations in that country which are at a competitive advantage due to their banking ties.. Let's face it, even if a "free market" right-wing dictator like Pinochet were installed in Chavez' place, the people are still totally screwed. You have to look at this situation realistically. You can either have the leader fighting for the poor people who represent the true owners of the land and resources, or you can have nobody fighting for them. There is also a third solution which would be destroying the central bank and giving the people their resources and land back to let THEM develop their country, make their own decisions, etc., but that would be very difficult in today's world as the globalists have ensured that Central Banks are installed everywhere. That is their tool for tyranny. The IMF is essentially a big colonialist organization.

The problem is that Chavez is not for the people, he is a tyrant as well. It's two tyrants fighting against each other -- both are wrong.

JdotRdot
05-16-2009, 03:52 PM
The problem is that Chavez is not for the people, he is a tyrant as well. It's two tyrants fighting against each other -- both are wrong.
Chavez hasn't shown any indication of being a tyrant (yet)
that his form of governing might not work is a whole other issue...Europe is quite the socialist country also & they don't have many tyrants

there's a bit of socialism in all countries these days

idiom
05-16-2009, 04:08 PM
He has also been a big proponent of property rights. Whole classes now legally own property that never even showed up on the pre-chavez registries.

Attakcing Chavez for the nationalisation is a bit like the people on the boards who thinks that after a hypothetical secession by Montana, Montana should let the U.S. Fed maintain ownership of the natural parks and Oil Fields.

Warrior_of_Freedom
05-16-2009, 07:34 PM
Why are you making fun of Chavez booting out a U.S company setting unfair prices to the poor in Venezuela? Isn't this attitude of "We are right, capitalism for everybody, let's push our ideas on every nation" The attitude that got us into the world situation in the first place?

Met Income
05-16-2009, 07:39 PM
Why are you making fun of Chavez booting out a U.S company setting unfair prices to the poor in Venezuela? Isn't this attitude of "We are right, capitalism for everybody, let's push our ideas on every nation" The attitude that got us into the world situation in the first place?

I disagree with the interference of capitalism because it's unfair and hurts the poor the worst. I'm exercising my free speech though, not advocating an invasion so that they convert to capitalism.

Warrior_of_Freedom
05-16-2009, 07:40 PM
I disagree with the interference of capitalism because it's unfair and hurts the poor the worst. I'm exercising my free speech though, not advocating an invasion so that they convert to capitalism.

how does interfering with capitalism hurt the poor the worst when Venezuela took money from the rich and gave it to the poor? Most the poverty problem is from modern day CAPITALIST countries paying them crap for their exports in the first place.

virgil47
05-16-2009, 09:02 PM
how does interfering with capitalism hurt the poor the worst when Venezuela took money from the rich and gave it to the poor? Most the poverty problem is from modern day CAPITALIST countries paying them crap for their exports in the first place.

Ahhh, I see Robin Hood does live and he is the leader of Venezuela.