History Quiz time..

[PaulaGem]

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[Anti Federalist]

How many on this thread are aware that there was a Fascist plot to take over the White House in 1934?

I am.

Heard about it second hand from my grandfather.

Smedley Butler was my great - uncle.;)

[PaulaGem]

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[idiom]

I thought it suceeded? Thats why FDR won?

[rpfan2008]

I've heard this, but don't know much about it.

[acptulsa]

I believe it was the inspiration for Sinclair Lewis' It Can't Happen Here.

[Anti Federalist]

Totally cool. I just learned about Smedley last year when researching something for WikiAnswers.com. I was kicked off the site for talking too much about the Federal Reserve, the History of the United States, the Constitution, and facts about the Roman influence in the formation of orthodox Christianity.

"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act.";)

If you haven't already, read "War is a Racket".

Uncle Smedley, from a 1933 speech:

"There are only two reasons to go to war, one is to defend your home, the other is to defend the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is a racket".

[PaulaGem]

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[Meatwasp]

I thought FDR was infiltrated with Communists. He and Churchill gave everything to them

[BuddyRey]

Yep, I first heard about the Business Plot from Alex Jones' film "Martial Law 9/11: Rise of the Police State." I was curious at first as to why I'd never learned about such a thing in school (surely it would have bolstered FDR's reputation as a "man of the people" who "stood up against robber barons and other nasty right-wingers"), but I also saw an hour-long History Channel documentary on the subject which said exactly the same thing that Alex Jones did in the film.

[PaulaGem]

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[tggroo7]

well I'm interested

[PaulaGem]

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[Anti Federalist]

Well, I'm outta here. I hope someone else takes over this subject because it's important, but there is no middle ground here, there is no help for the country here.

I hope Mr. Paul this is not a general representation of the followers of Mr. Paul. He deserves better.

The "middle ground" has brought us to the sorry state we find ourselves in now.

[LibertyEagle]

My plan is to collect enough poll answers to give me an idea of how aware folks really are of the history of Fascism in this country. Then I 'd like to post information on this and have a discussion. I think being aware of what really happened back then will help those who would defend the Constitution and our form of government explain to others that the danger we face now is REAL.

But Paula, you do not seem to understand, nor advocate, our Constitution or the form of government that our Founder's designed for us. Instead, you seem to prefer big government and its inherent force and for that matter, right here, showed your distaste for republics.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=2125198&postcount=151


Well, I'm outta here. I hope someone else takes over this subject because it's important, but there is no middle ground here, there is no help for the country here.

I hope Mr. Paul this is not a general representation of the followers of Mr. Paul. He deserves better.

Paula, we are not Marxists here; nor are we socialists. If that's what you're looking for, then yes, you should look elsewhere. After reading this other thread you started, it doesn't appear that you share much of anything that Ron Paul stands for.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=192598

[PaulaGem]

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[LibertyEagle]

Hopefully, Paula, you will take the time to read that article I asked you to read, or to watch the videos that others posted for you in the other thread. You're massively all twisted up in thinking that government is the solution. If you think Ron Paul would agree with your big government ideas, you have another thing coming.

Since this is at least the 2nd time you've said you're leaving, let me be the first to wish you well, as you walk out the door.

bye.

[rpfan2008]

WALL STREET AND THE RISE OF HITLER, by Antony C. Sutton

WALL STREET AND THE BOLSHEVIK REVOLUTION. By Antony C. Sutton

Two another great books.

[akihabro]

http://www.amazon.com/Plot-Seize-White-House-Conspiracy/dp/1602390363/ref=wl_it_dp?ie=UTF8&coliid=I2PIMV82LXHQT3&colid=HZKTT938YVRN
Haven't had a chance to read this book. I think I saw something on history channel.

[purplechoe]

I knew, history is my "hobby".

[sevin]

hey just got here. What'd I miss?

[BeFranklin]

I've never seen anyone go through and blank out every single message on every thread that they wrote the last few days like Paulagem. It must have taken two hours or so.

I guess I feel guilty now saying she had no moral authority from the bible to pass an infinite set of laws or raise the age of marriage to anything she wanted. NOT.

She became mad and said the bible was a made up book anyway, while before that saying she was a Christian. Interesting. The bible is like a constitution in some sense, and draws out those that pretend to it, but aren't.

I hope however she considers some of the things said. Maybe she's never been exposed to anything other than "what the majority thinks should be law" as opposed to just following the bible or other limited government philosophies.

[PaulaGem]

enough about this event in history to discuss it.

It is an excellent talking point, a genuine historic example that PROVES that those who believe fascism is an enemy of this coutry and want to defend our liberties against it are NOT conspiriacy theorists and crazies.

But educating yourselves does not seem to be a high priority on this board. Running around like a pack of rabid wolves, attacking someone who does not believe the same way you do, that is much more important.

This board scares the s**t out of me. Because if Ron Paul really is needed to turn this country around, you guys will make damn sure he doesn't get support outside of your political microcosm.

[angelatc]

enough about this event in history to discuss it.

It is an excellent talking point, a genuine historic example that PROVES that those who believe fascism is an enemy of this coutry and want to defend our liberties against it are NOT conspiriacy theorists and crazies.

But educating yourselves does not seem to be a high priority on this board. Running around like a pack of rabid wolves, attacking someone who does not believe the same way you do, that is much more important.

This board scares the s**t out of me. Because if Ron Paul really is needed to turn this country around, you guys will make damn sure he doesn't get support outside of your political microcosm.


I don't entirely disagree with you. We have a lot of young, brash males that don't always appreciate that their confrontational ways isolate people who agree with the message.

But on the other hand, the RPers are probably the most educated group that you'll encounter in politics.

[Dr.3D]

Well, it is pretty hard to discuss something when the original poster keeps removing their posts.

How about showing some intestinal fortitude and leaving the posts up for everybody to read and decide for themselves?

[Anti Federalist]

Well, it is pretty hard to discuss something when the original poster keeps removing their posts.

How about showing some intestinal fortitude and leaving the posts up for everybody to read and decide for themselves?

QFT that.

[Anti Federalist]

enough about this event in history to discuss it.

It is an excellent talking point, a genuine historic example that PROVES that those who believe fascism is an enemy of this coutry and want to defend our liberties against it are NOT conspiriacy theorists and crazies.

But educating yourselves does not seem to be a high priority on this board. Running around like a pack of rabid wolves, attacking someone who does not believe the same way you do, that is much more important.

This board scares the s**t out of me. Because if Ron Paul really is needed to turn this country around, you guys will make damn sure he doesn't get support outside of your political microcosm.

The CT/anti CT battle rages every single day here, nothing new about that.

But you have to expect to get bombarded if you come out of the blue and attack a fundamental right of private property.

This subject has been brought up many times before. In some cases by me, and I think I have more than enough bona fides to say I know what the story was.

Think that might be the reason it wasn't discussed much, since it already has been, many times? Maybe it wasn't because we're a bunch of ignorant idiots?

[Imperial]

Was this about Huey Long being assassinated?

[Anti Federalist]

Was this about Huey Long being assassinated?

No: see Business Plot - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot

Long was shot in '35, two years after the BP came to light.

Although it wouldn't surprise me to see some link between the two.

[Imperial]

That wikipedia page seems pretty fair all and all.

After reading it, I would say that there was definitely a fascist movement in the US, but how concerted it was seems vague. Most of the plot seems like it was only in a vague 'brainstorming' stage, but was definitely a real thing. Who all was involved does also seem a bit vague, at least who would have been intentionally involved.

Huey Long I don't think would have had much to do with the actual plot. He was more populist than this would seem to be, and would have been a huge threat for the corporate world, much moreso than FDR.

[PaulaGem]

It was his excuse for shredding the Constitution and your rights.

You have an historically proven fascist coup that would have take over the Presidency by force.

And 80% on this board don't know enough about it to talk about it when they are minimalized by the political mainstream.

This is WAAAYYYY more important than abstract and unenforceable theories of government.

[idiom]

Only if you are planning an armed revolt.