You heard Naomi Wolf; We have to stop traffic!

[Knightskye]

YouTube - Naomi Wolf Slams 'Fake' Activism (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qinPxSOBB5o)

:D

[Athan]

This needs to be spread around more such as Re-Teaparty. We do need to talk about peaceful protesting and the circumstances she is explaining here.

[BenIsForRon]

Everybody on this forum should see this video. Though the March on DC did a lot for our morale, it did next to nothing for publicity.

[UtahApocalypse]

I remember making a few posts right after the "Tax day Tea Parties" i was so disappointed at things because we had assembled but under a permit. From that moment on I decided I would not take part in such actions again. It is against everything we are supposed to stand for; seriously asking the government for a permit to protest the government?? c'mon now. Until we have a mass amount of people willing to risk; jail, injury from pepper balls and tear gas, and other possible fates we will not rise up and win any victories. The first amendment grants us as citizens the right to assemble peacefully there is not need for any further permissions or papaerwork.

[He Who Pawns]

She's got a good point here.

[evilfunnystuff]

great vid

[anaconda]

Nice to see a lib evolving into a Patriot. It sounds like she is beginning to get the concept of limited government.

Paul/Wolf 2012!

[puppetmaster]

the world may wake up in time..or not

[Reason]

A+!

[Mosheh Thezion]

I remember making a few posts right after the "Tax day Tea Parties" i was so disappointed at things because we had assembled but under a permit. From that moment on I decided I would not take part in such actions again. It is against everything we are supposed to stand for; seriously asking the government for a permit to protest the government?? c'mon now. Until we have a mass amount of people willing to risk; jail, injury from pepper balls and tear gas, and other possible fates we will not rise up and win any victories. The first amendment grants us as citizens the right to assemble peacefully there is not need for any further permissions or papaerwork.

the protests should be to restore the constitution...

and the protestors, should bring their own tear gas... etc..

-MEMAT

[Objectivist]

Remember the people that brought a million tea bags to DC to lay them out in front of the WH or the Treasury? They had their "permit" revoked and had to go home. WOW that was impressive, all that effort for what? I'm laughing about that still.

[idiom]

"Mr President, this here is a Coup!!"

"I am revoking your permit!"

".....Damn."

[Objectivist]

"Mr President, this here is a Coup!!"

"I am revoking your permit!"

".....Damn."

I'll be available soon for Martyrdom.

[idiom]

If you're not going to jail, you're not doing it right.

[Objectivist]

If you're not going to jail, you're not doing it right.

SHouldn't be too long before they get me for sedition or something.

[ItsTime]

I would take her words with a grain of salt. She is on Obamas side.

[american.swan]

I agree with most of what Naomi Wolf says. I have both her books. Their real good. I highly recommend both of them. They'll make any liberal think. It's great she's a liberal in that small respect.

But something bothers me. Are we walking into a trap? The people behind the curtain aren't going to tell congress and the fbi the same story we would. They'll just lock us up and throw away the key....it's like we should just leave the USA. Because if we fight, we die; if we protest we get locked up. It seems like a no win situation. The powers will make sure congress and the like are brainwashed into believing we are terrorist and should be shot.

Anyways, God's laws and powers are superior to the fantastic libertarian and free-market capitalist views. We must "control congress". I just don't see any other way to end the fascist / socialist states progression.

[Knightskye]

Nice to see a lib evolving into a Patriot. It sounds like she is beginning to get the concept of limited government.

She's a lib? :confused:

[UtahApocalypse]

Remember the people that brought a million tea bags to DC to lay them out in front of the WH or the Treasury? They had their "permit" revoked and had to go home. WOW that was impressive, all that effort for what? I'm laughing about that still.


Yeah they sure showed them!!..... oh wait

[LibertyEagle]

She's a lib? :confused:

Yes. Lew interviewed her and it sounded like she might have taken some of it to heart. But, I don't know.

[Knightskye]

I would take her words with a grain of salt. She is on Obamas side.

Maybe she used to be (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/naomi-wolf/why-barack-obama-got-my-v_b_89017.html) (HuffPo article), but I doubt she still is. She seems like she knows what's going on (mentions Directive 51 in that article I linked to).

[Todd]

She's a lib? :confused:

A BIG one. I'll agree with another poster that I'd be careful of her.

Her first book was a leftist diatribe about patriarchical society, specifically the fashion industry. That may have had some credibility about how women are treated differently on looks..... but then she goes into the typical leftist class warfare bullshit trying to persuade that it has corrupted every facet of human relationships between men and women.

She may say the right things....but occassionally so do people like Chomsky. Until she is in the middle of one of our sponsored events holding a CFL banner, I would just listen and nod approvingly at the words.

[nobody's_hero]

Interesting video.

I put in a recommendation earlier this morning for Naomi Wolf to be a guest on Freedom Watch with Lew Rockwell, so that they could perhaps have a continuation of the discussion about libertarianism and the left.

Vote it up here if you'd be interested in seeing the Judge (and the rest of the gang) discuss how to share libertarianism/limited-government with liberals.

http://freedomwatch.uservoice.com/pages/16625-freedom-watch-show-ideas/suggestions/189854-hey-i-d-like-to-see-naomi-wolf-and-lew-rockwell-

[SLSteven]

I put in a recommendation earlier this morning for Naomi Wolf to be a guest on Freedom Watch with Lew Rockwell, so that they could perhaps have a continuation of the discussion about libertarianism and the left.

http://freedomwatch.uservoice.com/pages/16625-freedom-watch-show-ideas/suggestions/189854-hey-i-d-like-to-see-naomi-wolf-and-lew-rockwell-

Good idea!

[dr. hfn]

Naomi Wolf! A liberal i like and is hot!

[mediahasyou]

If we stopped traffic, it would only start a riot.

What if all tea party business owners shut down their businesses temporarily to demand lower taxes?

[UtahApocalypse]

If we stopped traffic, it would only start a riot.

What if all tea party business owners shut down their businesses temporarily to demand lower taxes?

Oh no not a riot!!! our freedom is not worth that. We have to play nice like the rest the sheep.

[dr. hfn]

Next time, we go into the streets!

[hotbrownsauce]

great video

[MsDoodahs]

Did any of y'all watch the WHOLE video?

[MsDoodahs]

The second is intended to make "the militia" "answerable" to the people?

:rolleyes:

"It's not partisan" but she had just said that she is relaxing more and more every day because Obama is moving us in the right direction.

:rolleyes:

[ClayTrainor]

"It's not partisan" but she had just said that she is relaxing more and more every day because Obama is moving us in the right direction.

:rolleyes:

How can she be so damn naive!!!!????

[nobody's_hero]

Go to Fora.tv and you can watch each of the particular topics individually rather than watch the whole 1:01:03 -long video.

Just do a search for "Naomi Wolf". I kind of skipped over some things like feminism and stuff. :rolleyes:

I think she'll become a big player whenever the Democratic party has its schism in much the same way that the Republican party has.

[MsDoodahs]

lol...at around minute 41 - she said something about far left and far right thru history - she said "Stalin was a communist, Hitler was ... pause ... well ... pause ...
let's take Musolini...."

Could not bring herself to say that Hitler was a National Socialist.

lol...very funny moment.

[ClayTrainor]

lol...at around minute 41 - she said something about far left and far right thru history - she said "Stalin was a communist, Hitler was ... pause ... well ... pause ...
let's take Musolini...."

Could not bring herself to say that Hitler was a National Socialist.

lol...very funny moment.

heh...


Socialists always have to justify or ignore their philosophical history

[ItsTime]

She is a stupid bitch. Shes not naive is is a fucking pawn.

[MsDoodahs]

Go to Fora.tv and you can watch each of the particular topics individually rather than watch the whole 1:01:03 -long video.

Just do a search for "Naomi Wolf". I kind of skipped over some things like feminism and stuff. :rolleyes:

I think she'll become a big player whenever the Democratic party has its schism in much the same way that the Republican party has.

But that is the exact kind of stuff you need to see/hear - so that you can get a better understanding of WHO she is and WHAT it is she is advocating.

[ItsTime]

But that is the exact kind of stuff you need to see/hear - so that you can get a better understanding of WHO she is and WHAT it is she is advocating.

A lot in this movement, like all movements, just want to hear what they want to hear. She talks a good game, but once you really listen, like you do, you see through the bullshit.

[MsDoodahs]

First question from the audience near the end was about campaign finance reform.

Naomi thinks we need to use national referenda like Switzerland and all of the European countries.

She says it makes more people get educated on the issues and allows for passage of things like - and my sound started sputtering but I do believe she said Cap and Trade - then she said things like that that will never make it otherwise because of the vested special interests that will keep that out, and she mentioned Detroit - then paused and said "or the shadow of Detroit."

:rolleyes:

Second question was what's your opinion of Ann Coulter - and Naomi said she doesn't follow her because Coulter is about whipping up partisanship, NOT educating people, while we have all these MAJOR issues that we are facing. Then she told the audience that she had just that day yelled at the producer at CNN because they asked her a dumb question about putting Obama's pic on the cover of Ms Magazine.

Okay, Naomi - yet you spent TEN FUCKING MINUTES at the start of the interview justifying why YOU put YOUR PICTURE on your book The Beauty Myth? And you JUST spent about FIVE minutes talking with the interviewer about the INFLUENCE that Michele Obama will have on women's HAIR?

But it's Ann Coulter who is not EDUCATING - and instead is just "whipping up partisanship?"

Jesus H. Christ. I can't believe I'm bothering to listen to the rest, but I am....

edit to add more - CNN producer asked her about Larry Summers, that made her angry - she said Summers comments at Harvard that got him fired are IRRELEVANT and IN THE PAST - made under DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES so she won't discuss how women will react to BO tapping him for a job in the admin. Excuses, excuses - for her side, of course.

[nobody's_hero]

A lot in this movement, like all movements, just want to hear what they want to hear. She talks a good game, but once you really listen, like you do, you see through the bullshit.

Well, mainly I just look for common ground and then convince the hell out of my opponents to join me. :D

[Anti Federalist]

You know, I'd be much more inclined to believe that her "conversion" is sincere rather than, say, Glenn Beck's.

Oh, and I endorse and second every one of Utah Apocalypse's comments in this thread.

All of us jumping through the system's hoops and hurdles to exercise our rights, like a bunch of freakin' Millies.

"By your leave M'Lord, might we protest here today"

Bullshit.

[anaconda]

Naomi Wolf! A liberal i like and is hot!

Smokin' hot.

[UtahApocalypse]

Love how this thread became a diatribe on if Naomi Wolfe is a Liberal or not. What the hell does that matter? Her point dead on on. People here are really amazing me. This is a damn important topic and its being completely peddled off to partisan politics. Im ashamed. No wonder we have got nowhere.


You know, I'd be much more inclined to believe that her "conversion" is sincere rather than, say, Glenn Beck's.

Oh, and I endorse and second every one of Utah Apocalypse's comments in this thread.

All of us jumping through the system's hoops and hurdles to exercise our rights, like a bunch of freakin' Millies.

"By your leave M'Lord, might we protest here today"

Bullshit.

Thank you. Its about time to quit talking the talk and start walking the walk.

[LibertyEagle]

UtahApopcalypse,

Revolution for the sake of revolution does little good at all, especially if you're following the wrong band leader. No one wants to end up in a situation when they awake from their revolution stupor and realize that they just helped achieve a goal that is in complete contradiction of their own. For that reason, people need to be damn sure what they are working for and understand the underlying principles, so they don't unknowingly help the wrong side of this deal. THAT is why knowing what Naomi Wolf is all about, is important.

[Anti Federalist]

UtahApopcalypse,

Revolution for the sake of revolution does little good at all, especially if you're following the wrong band leader. No one wants to end up in a situation when they awake from their revolution stupor and realize that they just helped achieve a goal that is in complete contradiction of their own. For that reason, people need to be damn sure what they are working for and understand the underlying principles, so they don't unknowingly help the wrong side of this deal. THAT is why knowing what Naomi Wolf is all about, is important.

This is morphing from a question of political revolution to one of mutual self defense.

The system has made it very clear that it is at war with us, the American people.

Polite missives are laughed at, protests scoffed at, entreaties to stop this abuse are met with snide rebuffs at every turn.

This evinces a design to reduce us to a condition of absolute despotism.

It's long past time to stop asking for our liberties back and start taking them back.

Anybody making that point is OK by me.

That's why I was agreeing with Utah.

[Carole]

She always fails to impress me, but I have thought many times that the PTB have neutered protest for decades.

She is right about one thing, a permit to protest is a ridiculous. All you get is watered-down "protest"/voice of the people permitted only in such and such a place. A permit is trampling on the Constitution and free speech.

Today if you stop traffic, not only do you go to jail, but the damn traffic is angry because you interfered with their hurry to get somewhere.

[RevolutionSD]

:D

Very true. Begging the government to protest against the government will never do a goddamn thing.

She's wrong however that mass protests always work. Vietnam protests went on for what, 8 years, and didn't do a damn thing. Nixon finally pulled troops not because of the DAILY mass protests, but because the U.S. military was getting it's ASS KICKED over there and there really was no other choice.

And I'm curious on how she thinks the mass protests in Pakistan "worked". The place is a total mess right now and very unsafe.

[james1906]

She's wrong however that mass protests always work. Vietnam protests went on for what, 8 years, and didn't do a damn thing. Nixon finally pulled troops not because of the DAILY mass protests, but because the U.S. military was getting it's ASS KICKED over there and there really was no other choice.

Protesting Vietnam was about sex, music, and pot. Sorry, but making sure to wear flowers in your hair does not shake up the political establishment.

[MsDoodahs]

She's right regarding the fact that protests are ineffective in the US today.

That's the only portion of the talk that is useful.

Has anyone read her book?

Does she give any examples of HOW to create a more effective protest?

[Knightskye]

How do we stop Congress, then?

Surround the building!

[dr. hfn]

Well, mainly I just look for common ground and then convince the hell out of my opponents to join me. :D

Weeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!

thats wat i do!

[CUnknown]

Yes, she's a liberal, but that does not matter one bit. She's on our side, whether some of you can see that or not. She's not 100% a part of the Ron Paul Revolution (pretty obvious, since she didn't vote for him), but she doesn't have to be. We're talking about taking back our freedoms and our country. Who cares what her opinion is about feminism and abortion!

I don't even care what her opinion is about whether the income tax is Constitutional or not. Until we're in a position to actually get rid of the income tax (when we've taken the power back), we can fight together for a common cause. Until we've succeeded in restoring the Republic, nothing else matters. You're either on the side of the status quo or on the side of Revolution. And she's on the side of Revolution. Her phones are tapped and the government reads her mail for Christ sake. You can trust that she's not for the status quo.

[TruckinMike]

She is the experienced dealer in a game of 3 card monte (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-card_Monte) - Don't fall for her con.

TMIKE

[tonesforjonesbones]

That bimbo Naiomi wolf..or whatever...she had to go see a shrink and get on medication she was so afraid that OBAMANATION wasn't going to win...she is a socialist/communist..and she whined to her Hollyweird friends ...about Obama. She's ridiculous! Damn communist. I was disgusted to see her get paid for speaking at Ron Paul's rally....she is in NO WAY in our camp. Tones

[Reason]

These people are stopping traffic...

Why aren't we?

YouTube - Prop 8 Strikes Protest (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftEneBr5kdI)

[Knightskye]

These people are stopping traffic...

Why aren't we?

YouTube - Prop 8 Strikes Protest (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftEneBr5kdI)

6,000 people on a field in DC won't bring change. Let's have Aimee Allen make a speech under a traffic light in an intersection, surrounded by people, of course. :D

[speciallyblend]

That bimbo Naiomi wolf..or whatever...she had to go see a shrink and get on medication she was so afraid that OBAMANATION wasn't going to win...she is a socialist/communist..and she whined to her Hollyweird friends ...about Obama. She's ridiculous! Damn communist. I was disgusted to see her get paid for speaking at Ron Paul's rally....she is in NO WAY in our camp. Tones

seeing your a glenn beck worshiper ,you might need meds and a cat scan(jj). there is no need to attack her. the constitution allows all of us to have different opinions! and be on the same team. This is why Ron Pauls message spread like fire had nothing to do with conservative values! it had everything to do with freedom liberties and the us constitution.

I didn't join the revolution for conservative values or the pathetic so called christian right with their joke of so called morals! . I joined for the US Constitution!

the problem with most republicans is they only believe in their own rights no one elses!! not all republicans but most.

i guess in your circle glenn beck is an idol. in my world glen beck is full of crap.

the right wing of the republican party wants all the protection of the us constitution for them and no one else that doesn't believe what they believe!!

bottom line is a large amount of republicans are hypocrites!

and do not worry obama only won because of the gop. forget naomi and obama bashing. you should direct your troubles to the gop. they caused obama to win by their actions!

now if you voted for mccain and wonder why the gop embraces failed policies then look at your vote! if you did not vote for mccain .then instead of bashing obama and naomi .bash the real cause the gop