Ron Paul accused of creationism on front page of Reddit

[SneakyFrenchSpy]

Someone pulled up an article from this site http://www.godandstate.com/2007/11/14/ron-paul-on-religion/, where some quotes are attributed to Ron Paul.

The libs are out in full force, we need more people on there please :confused:

http://www.reddit.com/

http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/8jt87/creationist_ron_paul_on_secularism_the_notion_of/

[Austin]

They fail to understand that his religious beliefs do not effect his action's in Congress.

I'm a Christian, and even a creationist, but I would happily vote an atheist into office. I wish I could say the same (albeit vice versa) was true for more atheists.

[gls]

What is wrong with liberals that someone can't profess a personal spiritual belief without offending their delicate psyches?

I'm an agnostic who supports Paul because he understands the proper role of government.

[MRoCkEd]

They fail to understand that his religious beliefs do not effect his action's in Congress.

I'm a Christian, and even a creationist, but I would happily vote an atheist into office. I wish I could say the same (albeit vice versa) was true for more atheists.
According to this poll (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=60623), 33.33% RPF members are atheists/agnostics, and 43.8% of us are either atheist, agnostic, or "non-religious." I fall into the first category, and I disagree with Ron Paul's rejection of evolution and his "war on christmas" article. But as you mentioned, Ron Paul refuses to legislate morality, which is why his religion is of little concern to me.

[tonesforjonesbones]

Ron Paul is a Christian..and believes in Creationism..so? I agree with Ron Paul...tones

[dr. hfn]

They fail to understand that his religious beliefs do not effect his action's in Congress.

I'm a Christian, and even a creationist, but I would happily vote an atheist into office. I wish I could say the same (albeit vice versa) was true for more atheists.

i'm atheist and i'd vote any constitutional religious person into office

[eduardo89]

Ron Paul is a Christian..and believes in Creationism..so? I agree with Ron Paul...tones

I know its ridiculous, how dare we Christians believe in Creationism!

[ChristopherJ]

I'm a Christian, and even a creationist, but I would happily vote an atheist into office. I wish I could say the same (albeit vice versa) was true for more atheists.

Funny how things look depending on which side of the fence you stand.

I have an idea - maybe we could stop stereotyping people?

[SLSteven]

People are so accustomed to a politician lying to them that they are appropriately suspicious of hidden agendas, ulterior motives, etc. People fear that the politician will force his own personal moral beliefs down their throats. Luckily Ron Paul breaks the mold.

[Austin]

Funny how things look depending on which side of the fence you stand.

I have an idea - maybe we could stop stereotyping people?

I made it very clear that not all atheists or agnostics act like some of the liberals on reddit, because I said that I wished more atheists paid no regard to religion. I also wish more Christians and other religious folks would open their minds and explore the possibility of electing an atheist into office, given that his or her beliefs do not effect policy making decisions.

Ron Paul's campaign is the perfect example that there are people with such open-mindedness out there. I was simply stating that I wish there were more people like us. :)

[slacker921]

** Rally the good Christian troops to support him!!!! **
Where are all those fine evangelical Palin supporters when a good Christian politician is getting attacked?

.... oh, the irony.

[revolutionman]

not all Christians are douche bags, some are respectful of the religious freedoms that every American citizen enjoys, as outlined in the 1st Amendment. Some of them can even leave their religious beliefs at home, and do the job they are expected to do, without puking bible quotes all over the place. Too bad they can't all be like that. people might actually open up to Christians and Christianity.

[1000-points-of-fright]

Since when was Ron Paul a creationist? I've never heard him say or write that. When the candidates were asked during a debate if they did not believe in evolution he didn't raise his hand.

[MRoCkEd]

Since when was Ron Paul a creationist? I've never heard him say or write that. When the candidates were asked during a debate if they did not believe in evolution he didn't raise his hand.
Because he didn't think the question was appropriate.
Ron Paul: "It's a theory and I don't accept it"
YouTube - Ron Paul: I don't believe in evolution (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JyvkjSKMLw)

He's right, though. It's not politically relevant if it doesn't affect his decisions in congress.

[Jeremy]

Ron Paul doesn't reject evolution. He doesn't believe or disbelieve in it, which is scitifically accurate.

[Jeremy]

By the way, creationism refers to belief in God and has virtually nothing to do with evolution. Typical confusion though.

[Austin]

By the way, creationism refers to belief in God and has virtually nothing to do with evolution. Typical confusion though.

Which is similar to the confusion between abiogenesis and evolution.

[MRoCkEd]

By the way, creationism refers to belief in God and has virtually nothing to do with evolution. Typical confusion though.
cre⋅a⋅tion⋅ism [kree-ey-shuh-niz-uhm]
the doctrine that matter and all things were created, substantially as they now exist, by an omnipotent Creator, and not gradually evolved or developed.

[ChristopherJ]

I made it very clear that not all atheists or agnostics act like some of the liberals on reddit, because I said that I wished more atheists paid no regard to religion. I also wish more Christians and other religious folks would open their minds and explore the possibility of electing an atheist into office, given that his or her beliefs do not effect policy making decisions.

Ron Paul's campaign is the perfect example that there are people with such open-mindedness out there. I was simply stating that I wish there were more people like us. :)

Gotcha ;)

Unfortunately being openly atheist is political suicide. It's to bad it is that way.

[Bruno]

They fail to understand that his religious beliefs do not effect his action's in Congress.
.

This. His record speaks for itself.

He or any politician could worship Santa Claus for all I care as long as they follow the Constitution.

[ClayTrainor]

This. His record speaks for itself.

He or any politician could worship Santa Claus for all I care as long as they follow the Constitution.

Here's one that will, if elected!

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=192203

:)


About the Op:

Ron Paul's faith does not affect his politics in the slightest

[tonesforjonesbones]

Ron Paul flat said evolution is a theory and he doesn't Accept it. He said the Creator HE KNOWS made all of us and made the Universe..now that dang sure sounds like Creationism to me. I agree with RON PAUL..as usual. tones

[jjockers]

cre⋅a⋅tion⋅ism [kree-ey-shuh-niz-uhm]
the doctrine that matter and all things were created, substantially as they now exist, by an omnipotent Creator, and not gradually evolved or developed.


This is an example of black vs white, when the reality is gray.

I am willing to bet that most (most does not = truth) people in the US believe:

Matter and all things were created by an omnipotent Creator, and those things have since gradually evolved or developed.

This is neither the theory of creation or evolution, yet it's a better representation of the majority viewpoint. Why then do we bicker about extremes on either end of this viewpoint?

Has Ron Paul flat out said: "Nothing has evolved. Everything is as it has been since creation." ? There is then the difference between young earth (5000 years old) vs old earth creationists (agree with scientific age). Point being -- this is not a black and white topic.

[AggieforPaul]

I believe in theistic evolution, but it doesnt really bother me that he believes in creationism. He's running for political office, not 9th grade biology teacher.

[nate895]

This is an example of black vs white, when the reality is gray.

I am willing to bet that most (most does not = truth) people in the US believe:

Matter and all things were created by an omnipotent Creator, and those things have since gradually evolved or developed.

This is neither the theory of creation or evolution, yet it's a better representation of the majority viewpoint. Why then do we bicker about extremes on either end of this viewpoint?

Has Ron Paul flat out said: "Nothing has evolved. Everything is as it has been since creation." ? There is then the difference between young earth (5000 years old) vs old earth creationists (agree with scientific age). Point being -- this is not a black and white topic.

The last poll I saw done, which was a few years ago, was 55% creationist, another 27% believe in evolution but that God guided it some manner.

[awake]

We are all creationists... From the car you drive to the shirt on your back. Many countless individuals through peaceful cooperation in the division of labor have created these things. If we allow those who seek socialism to destroy this, than we will create slavery, chaos and death.

If we can create, then why not God.

[BeFranklin]

Ron Paul believes in the Declaration of Independence..

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

[jjockers]

Interesting image below from Wikipedia:

The shocking thing, to me, is the lack of "Not Sure" answers. Considering no one can be absolutely sure of the answer to the question posed, it seems there is some intellectual dishonesty coming into play. Or do people just not realize that it's ok to answer "Not sure" to True or False questions?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5c/Views_on_Evolution.svg/800px-Views_on_Evolution.svg.png

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[Don't Tread on Mike]

Um, people can try to make Ron Paul look bad but it's impossible. They just make themselves look like idiots.

[KoldKut]

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[BeFranklin]

That sounds a lot less certain than you would like to portray. Do you have some hidden agenda that would lead you to distort Paul's position? Maybe looking for some outside endorsement of your goofy worldview from someone you respect?

What goofy worldview is this, Christian?

[KoldKut]

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[Bman]

Ron Paul flat said evolution is a theory and he doesn't Accept it. He said the Creator HE KNOWS made all of us and made the Universe..now that dang sure sounds like Creationism to me. I agree with RON PAUL..as usual. tones

Uggg. On certain points you may. But as a creationist you do not. He doesn't support that theory either. He supports the theory of I don't know and does it really matter anyway. It is what it is.

[Bman]

A literal interpretation of genesis is goofy.

That goes for the majority of the bible.