View Full Version : 7 states have no c4L sponsors
free.alive
05-09-2009, 01:12 AM
States with no C4L cosponsors:
Connecticut
Massachusetts
New Hampshire
New Mexico
North Dakota
Rhode Island
Vermont
Kotin
05-09-2009, 01:13 AM
NH huh??
weird..
ClayTrainor
05-09-2009, 01:16 AM
How is it possible that NH has none?
Austin
05-09-2009, 01:57 AM
Copsponsors? Do you mean state coordinators, or am I missing something here...
eduardo89
05-09-2009, 04:47 AM
I think he means no hr1207 cosponsors
LittleLightShining
05-09-2009, 05:39 AM
NE ftl :(
ItsTime
05-09-2009, 06:42 AM
You will not get any cosigners from New Hampshire. New Hampshire is becoming as liberal as Mass. The free state project is great and all, they just picked the wrong state. Too many dems are moving from Boston to Manchester area and taking over the state.
ChaosControl
05-09-2009, 06:46 AM
The north east is really a lost cause, it should probably just be a separate country. They love their corporatism. But then it really is the breeding ground of the elitist anti-liberty nutjobs.
Amazing to think it was once involved in the American Revolution, I can guarantee you that nowadays they'd all be crown loyalists.
Free state project should never have picked a North Eastern state.
Jeremy
05-09-2009, 07:30 AM
CT, Mass, and RI kinda make sense. But not the others.
Jeremy
05-09-2009, 07:32 AM
The north east is really a lost cause, it should probably just be a separate country. They love their corporatism. But then it really is the breeding ground of the elitist anti-liberty nutjobs.
Amazing to think it was once involved in the American Revolution, I can guarantee you that nowadays they'd all be crown loyalists.
Free state project should never have picked a North Eastern state.
The three farthest north aren't
RonPaulFanInGA
05-09-2009, 07:34 AM
Free state project should never have picked a North Eastern state.
New Hampshire was a really dumb choice from the start. They have a good-sized population and a bunch of nuts from neighboring Massachusetts moving in at a much faster rate than the Free State Project can ever hope to counter.
Make it Montana.
puppetmaster
05-09-2009, 10:04 AM
Well maybe the follower type of content people stayed in that area. People who love liberty were probably not content with just hanging around in the northeast. They moved on go other wild parts of the New America spread liberty.
Well just a theory.
The north east is really a lost cause, it should probably just be a separate country. They love their corporatism. But then it really is the breeding ground of the elitist anti-liberty nutjobs.
Amazing to think it was once involved in the American Revolution, I can guarantee you that nowadays they'd all be crown loyalists.
Free state project should never have picked a North Eastern state.
torchbearer
05-09-2009, 01:32 PM
New Hampshire was a really dumb choice from the start. They have a good-sized population and a bunch of nuts from neighboring Massachusetts moving in at a much faster rate than the Free State Project can ever hope to counter.
Make it Montana.
This.
Montana was one of the original free state considerations.
I signed up to move prior to a state being picked. I thought the obvious choice was Montana.
Find a sparsely populated county and move in- set up shops just like in the old west towns.
Paulville, Montana.
New Hampshire was a really dumb choice from the start. They have a good-sized population and a bunch of nuts from neighboring Massachusetts moving in at a much faster rate than the Free State Project can ever hope to counter.
Make it Montana.
So I assume you're starting the Montana Free State Project?
Oh, I see, you're just complaining.
Jeremy
05-09-2009, 01:38 PM
New Hampshire was a really dumb choice from the start. They have a good-sized population and a bunch of nuts from neighboring Massachusetts moving in at a much faster rate than the Free State Project can ever hope to counter.
Make it Montana.
actually you dont really know what youre talking about lol
go watch the ridley report :D
Jeremy
05-09-2009, 01:39 PM
This.
Montana was one of the original free state considerations.
I signed up to move prior to a state being picked. I thought the obvious choice was Montana.
Find a sparsely populated county and move in- set up shops just like in the old west towns.
Paulville, Montana.
People from Montana have moved to NH with the FSP and have said NH is better because Montana was too big to organize anything. Honestly... no one wants to travel several hours a day for something small.
torchbearer
05-09-2009, 01:50 PM
People from Montana have moved to NH with the FSP and have said NH is better because Montana was too big to organize anything. Honestly... no one wants to travel several hours a day for something small.
That is why you open a general store that carries everything your community uses. Then one person ships in all the goods needed, and every makes a short trip to pick up their goods.
You want to get away from the invisible hand. Move west- not New England.
In a village, you will need one general store/fuel station.Maybe someone who can do ammunition creation and rifle repair.
An agricultural co-op to help people farm their own food- this task can be done by one family- sold from a store front next to the general store.
(basically this is the core- blacksmith/merchant/farmer)
Then you may want to have others who do animal husbandry.
With the right mix of families, you can start a core of a village that has everything you need.
Rangeley
05-09-2009, 05:02 PM
The north east is really a lost cause, it should probably just be a separate country. They love their corporatism. But then it really is the breeding ground of the elitist anti-liberty nutjobs.
Amazing to think it was once involved in the American Revolution, I can guarantee you that nowadays they'd all be crown loyalists.
Free state project should never have picked a North Eastern state.
Maine has one representative (out of two) signed onto HR 1207, so New England isn't totally unrepresented. And the congressman is for northern Maine, where Ron Paul actually won in the caucus. Not to mention he got a respectable 18% in the state overall.
ItsTime
05-09-2009, 06:14 PM
actually you dont really know what youre talking about lol
go watch the ridley report :D
He knows very well what he is talking about. I am not saying the Freestaters are not doing anything good (they are). But New Hampshire is getting flooded by people from Mass at a WAY higher rate than coming for the free state.
Ive been on the Ridley Report ;)
He knows very well what he is talking about. I am not saying the Freestaters are not doing anything good (they are). But New Hampshire is getting flooded by people from Mass at a WAY higher rate than coming for the free state.
Ive been on the Ridley Report ;)
What evidence do you have that the people coming from Mass are liberals? It makes more sense to me that they would be conservatives. That's why they're leaving Massachusetts. The democratic victories in the last 2 election cycles were part of a nationwide backlash against neocon Republican leadership. That will pass and the many reasons why New Hampshire is the best place for such an effort will remain.
ItsTime
05-09-2009, 06:33 PM
What evidence do you have that the people coming from Mass are liberals? It makes more sense to me that they would be conservatives. That's why they're leaving Massachusetts. The democratic victories in the last 2 election cycles were part of a nationwide backlash against neocon Republican leadership. That will pass and the many reasons why New Hampshire is the best place for such an effort will remain.
Well the only proof is the voting of the public. But you are calling that "backlash".
Total Dems votes last primary
About 285,000
Total Rep
234,000
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#val=NH
Well the only proof is the voting of the public. But you are calling that "backlash".
Total Dems votes last primary
About 285,000
Total Rep
234,000
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#val=NH
It is a trend that has occurred in every state, and it is in response to the failures of the Bush administration.
I look forward to finally getting up there this fall and joining with the hundreds of other activists who are actually doing something to bring about liberty in our lifetime.
JamesButabi
05-09-2009, 06:49 PM
I can't even get Rhode Island reps to reply. They are never in their office, they don't return calls, they don't return emails, and their voting sucks. They are constantly in trouble for bribes, money laundering, and corruption. This state is probably the worst of the 50. I also think NH was an awesome state to pick as part of FSP, and agree that voter turnout was a direct result of Bush's failure. I would move if I wasn't a business owner with multiple locations in RI.
steph3n
05-09-2009, 08:27 PM
What evidence do you have that the people coming from Mass are liberals? It makes more sense to me that they would be conservatives. That's why they're leaving Massachusetts. The democratic victories in the last 2 election cycles were part of a nationwide backlash against neocon Republican leadership. That will pass and the many reasons why New Hampshire is the best place for such an effort will remain.
a MA 'conservative' is a liberal that still wants the state running everything. :rolleyes:
FSP-Rebel
05-10-2009, 09:59 AM
a MA 'conservative' is a liberal that still wants the state running everything. :rolleyes:
Really? I would have thought that a Mass conservative would've been someone who would've voted in favor of the recent state referendum to repeal the state income tax. Since no traction can be made in Mass, then I can see many people that would fall in that conservative genre would be the ones to move north.
FSP-Rebel
05-10-2009, 10:14 AM
Well the only proof is the voting of the public. But you are calling that "backlash".
Total Dems votes last primary
About 285,000
Total Rep
234,000
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#val=NH
I would think that many of those that voted democrat were actually registered as independents. Since the GOP doesn't have the best cred right now, I can see indies going left, temporarily. Despite the recent democratic voting patterns across the country, NH Republicans won back 17 seats in the state house in the '08 election cycle. And just recently, there was a special election for state rep in the Salem, NH area where a libertarian (Marilinda Garcia, running as a republican) beat the democratic contender 2:1. As of right now, there is a solid libertarian-republican caucus in the NH state house that will become even bigger in the next election cycle. Keep in mind that NH has a 2 year residency requirement in order to run for state rep and many of the FSP movers over the last 2 years will be eligible to run in '10. Keep an eye on http://nhliberty.org as the election season gets in gear next year. NH residents are getting sick of the way the democrats have increased spending and most likely will do something about that next time around. Heck, I move to NH in 2 weeks and I'm definitely going to do what I can to help. There's also a major wave of movers expected over the next year or two, especially this summer. Keep in mind, Mass movers aren't the activists that FSPers are and thus aren't as effective as one would normally project.
FSP-Rebel
05-10-2009, 10:49 AM
This link: http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=2352 gives an idea of the voter layout. Specifically,
"The shift stems largely from an influx of voters drawn by the state’s booming software and defense industries. Many share what one observer calls a “Silicon Valley” sensibility — a mix of fiscal conservatism and social liberalism that currently (emphasis mine) is attracting them to the Democrats."
Next, this article
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/magazine/articles/2009/02/15/invading_new_hampshire/ offers numerical evidence of why people left Mass:
"And why the rush to move north? A Globe poll from 2006 found that most who left Massachusetts did so because of our high cost of living. Another 30 percent cited taxes and a good chunk -- more than 10 percent -- named the state's liberal politics and political leadership."
As FSPers and C4Lers in NH keep making headway in strengthening the GOP message, I can see a major shift coming ahead - back to the more 'live free or die' attitude. Plus, it's not like Obama is doing anything to help the dem's credibility. Democrats can be helpful on certain issues though: medical mj, mj decrim, same-sex marriage and privacy issues (like forbidding participation in REAL ID).
BeFranklin
05-10-2009, 12:44 PM
You will not get any cosigners from New Hampshire. New Hampshire is becoming as liberal as Mass. The free state project is great and all, they just picked the wrong state. Too many dems are moving from Boston to Manchester area and taking over the state.
Yeah, I think they just passed the homosexual marriage or something there :rolleyes:
free.alive
05-10-2009, 11:56 PM
Oh... I thought this was a discussion on how to get cosponsors in these 7 states. The thread has been thoroughly hijacked by FSP woes! :rolleyes:
It would be great to hear some ideas from all of you on how to gain ground in these states.
FSP-Rebel
05-11-2009, 11:54 AM
Oh... I thought this was a discussion on how to get cosponsors in these 7 states. The thread has been thoroughly hijacked by FSP woes! :rolleyes:
It would be great to hear some ideas from all of you on how to gain ground in these states.
Well, considering that this thread degenerated (almost immediately) from that discussion to an attack/ridicule of NH and the Free State Project, I felt obligated to provide some useful details on why there are no cosponsors from NH. My Rep in my current state has cosponsored 1207 even though he's a neocon, but Mich is financially in the gutter so I'm off to greener pastures (NH has lowest unemployment which is beneficial to me since I just graduated college) to help further the Paul cause via the FSP. Many of us know that the economy is generally headed south, so I'd like to be in a place saturated by liberty activists to weather the storm. FYI, the NH GOP has largely been influenced recently by the addition of new liberty activists to the state. Reclaiming the GOP for liberty is what we're doing right? It's incredible how some can overlook that success or care very little about even acknowledging it.
Stoli
05-11-2009, 06:38 PM
Forget Rhode Island cosponsoring any bill that is good for the people. Our reps are a bunch of Azzhats.
Keith and stuff
05-16-2009, 02:18 PM
He knows very well what he is talking about. I am not saying the Freestaters are not doing anything good (they are). But New Hampshire is getting flooded by people from Mass at a WAY higher rate than coming for the free state.
Ive been on the Ridley Report ;)
There are lots of people moving from MA to NH and I've heard that a slight majority of them vote Republican. Not only that, they tend to be socially liberal and fiscally conservative, which means they are somewhat libertarian. Sadly, there are also people moving to NH from NY, NJ, CT and RI in decent numbers. More of these people tend to vote Democrat then Republican.
The problem with NH is that the tech, health and defense sectors are growing pretty well in NH, especially compared to the Northeast as a whole. This means lots of well educated high tech people are moving to NH, and these people are more likely to vote Democrat than Republican.
It's kind of a double-edge sword. NH has a great economy and there are plenty of high tech jobs. It's just that the people who tend to work at such jobs are usually not big fans of freedom. Luckily for us in NH, lots of libertarians work in high tech jobs - so if you are a freedom lover moving to NH it shouldn't be too hard to find a job.
Dreepa
05-17-2009, 08:42 AM
We only have 2 reps in NH... so it is very tough to just have 2 to work with.
One rep... doesn't seem to respond. (Porter)
The other rep is planning on running for Senate in 2010 and might want keep a low profile (Hodes) He is on the finance committe.
We need MORE phone calls to him. Pronto.
As for Connecticut I feel contacting any of our reps is a lost cause.
We have Dodd (Mr. AIG CEO bailout himself)
We have Lieberman (Mr. War on Terror)
We have Larson (Democrat)
I've sent the C4L flyers out to all 3 of my representatives and I haven't heard a thing.
I'm not sure what Peter Schiff has planned, but I certainly hope he runs because I'm expecting Dodd's race in 2010 to be hotly debated. Dodd is in some serious polticial trouble with the AIG bailout scandal and his Countrywide loan renegotations that saved him $75,000.
However, Dodd's frontrunner competition is a Republican who wants to continue the "War on Terror".
There is a some hope that the Liberty movements are picking up some steam. If Peter Schiff runs at least we have the chance of getting our message out that there are alternatives to the Republicrats.
Dreepa
05-17-2009, 11:20 AM
also one other note.
The doings (or non doings) of a politician should not reflect on the Free State Project (many of whom are working on state issue/local issues/ or don't believe in voting)
Conza88
05-17-2009, 11:30 AM
Strategy...
Tell the representative if they are Democrat... that you're a socialist and you want the fed to be audited. Accountable to the people!
Then re-call from another phone, say you are a libertarian and want the Fed audited!
Then get a mate to call and say he is an independent and want the Fed audited!
Then get a lady friend to call and say she is a conservative and wants the fed audited!
:D
Keith and stuff
05-21-2009, 02:32 PM
The Ridley Report of NH just put out a new video about HR 1207 claiming there are now 175 co-sponsors. This is an example of what some of the NH liberty media is doing to promote the bill.
Digg and view the video here, http://digg.com/politics/175_reps_back_Ron_Paul_Fed_audit
Anti Federalist
05-21-2009, 02:59 PM
We only have 2 reps in NH... so it is very tough to just have 2 to work with.
One rep... doesn't seem to respond. (Porter)
The other rep is planning on running for Senate in 2010 and might want keep a low profile (Hodes) He is on the finance committe.
We need MORE phone calls to him. Pronto.
This.
I've been pestering Shea-Porter for weeks now, faxes and emails and phone calls.
No one answers the phones, I leave a message and get no reply.
Ditto the emails and faxes.
Representation my ass.
FSP-Rebel
06-14-2009, 07:22 PM
We just got Rep. Carol Shea-Porter on board. FSPers and C4Lers/RLCers made lot's of calls to get her on board. Next, we're targeting Rep. Paul Hodes.
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