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clb09
05-05-2009, 06:43 PM
http://thehill.com/dick-morris/how-obamas-socialism-works-2009-05-05.html


President Obama’s vision of the future is, apparently, an economy guided, steered and — when the occasion demands — commanded by the federal government. Some of the companies will remain private. Washington will take others over. But all will look to the White House, as to an orchestra conductor, for signals as to how and when and where to proceed.

OhioMichael
05-05-2009, 06:46 PM
http://thehill.com/dick-morris/how-obamas-socialism-works-2009-05-05.html

We march together into deepening fascism. Change you can believe in. :D

braumstr
05-05-2009, 07:30 PM
I would say Obama has marched away from Fascism. He is certainly increasing social programs but fascism?

That really is not fact based criticism.

PaulaGem
05-05-2009, 07:32 PM
How freekin unique can Obama be? - he's just the flip side of the same coin that has been buying and selling our rights for the last hundred years.

braumstr
05-05-2009, 07:42 PM
Huh?

OhioMichael
05-05-2009, 07:55 PM
I would say Obama has marched away from Fascism. He is certainly increasing social programs but fascism?

That really is not fact based criticism.

if you define fascism as 'big government in bed with big business' or as Mussolini put it 'corporatism', then Obama certainly fits the bill. He has not outrightly nationalized the bailed out companies. Rather, he has allowed those sectors of the eonomy to author the federal bailouts in a trade for more federal regulation.

Add in his refusal to corral the police state and it is not unfair to call him a fascist.

KCIndy
05-05-2009, 09:35 PM
I would say Obama has marched away from Fascism. He is certainly increasing social programs but fascism?

That really is not fact based criticism.


Some selected quotes from Morris' column:

President Obama’s vision of the future is, apparently, an economy guided, steered and — when the occasion demands — commanded by the federal government. Some of the companies will remain private. Washington will take others over. But all will look to the White House, as to an orchestra conductor, for signals as to how and when and where to proceed....

Companies will not look out for their shareholders or their employees or even their customers so much as watch the smoke signals from Washington to decide what to do. The markets won’t control decisions. Washington will....

The strong-arming that obviously led up to the Chrysler deal will also be typical of the Obama industrial policy. When the chips are down, JFK’s pressure on U.S. Steel to lower its prices in 1962 will be the model for the Obama years. While terrorists need not fear any violation of their constitutional rights, CEOs of Fortune 500 companies will not be so fortunate.

At the core of the new policy will be the simple assumption that Washington knows best.



This is not a case of government owning business (socialism) it is a case of the government *controlling* business - beating it with a big stick to keep it in line.

IMHO, that makes the term "fascist" quite fitting.

Skeyrz
05-06-2009, 12:21 AM
The term fascism needs to undergo a renaissance. It's so broadly applicable to government today. Yet I suspect that it will not be applied except by people looking back in hindsight; for some reason people resist mightily the concept that they could be living in a 'fascist' society.

heavenlyboy34
05-06-2009, 12:25 AM
The term fascism needs to undergo a renaissance. It's so broadly applicable to government today. Yet I suspect that it will not be applied except by people looking back in hindsight; for some reason people resist mightily the concept that they could be living in a 'fascist' society.

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