Beck is a damn moron

[Young Paleocon]

Beck Thread :)

Just got done saying how he's fine with government planned spending of 1 trillion dollars as long as we know what it's spent on like a "Manhattan Project." Where we create clean energy and export it or some shit. He has no fucking clue what he's talking about......He can be right sometimes, but he dilutes the message and contradicts himself on every turn. So god help us if he is the face that is attached to libertarianism because he's just like a goddamn right-wing keynesian.

[heavenlyboy34]

Beck Thread :)

Just got done saying how he's fine with government planned spending of 1 trillion dollars as long as we know what it's spent on like a "Manhattan Project." Where we create clean energy and export it or some shit. He has no fucking clue what he's talking about......He can be right sometimes, but he dilutes the message and contradicts himself on every turn. So god help us if he is the face that is attached to libertarianism because he's just like a goddamn right-wing keynesian.

Good thing I don't have any emotional attachment to him. Same old MSM bullshit! :p

[Objectivist]

I didn't take it that way, he's pointing out the better of two roads. IF the government is in the business of spending our money(instead of us spending it) then we should have a program that develops our resources to the fullest. Everyone is using technology in the realm of nuclear power that we aren't allowed to develop. We(gov) spent 300 million in a year on researching Fusion Energy, we spent double that in gasoline in one day. Do you understand the potential for Fusion power? Now that's a Moon Shot.

[brandon]

Leave glenn alone!!!!!!

/chris crocker

[dr. hfn]

glenn is a tool in our toolbox to be used by us.

[Objectivist]

How did a moron get you to tune in to his program?

[brandon]

Morons can be pretty damn entertaining sometimes. They do the darndest things. Ever watch one try to tie their shoe?

[Cowlesy]

He's good with some stuff, but rides the failboat with other stuff.

The only way I could ever tolerate (yes, I hate that word) gov spending in clean energy is if it could eliminate our need for arab oil, and by doing so, we could withdraw troops/aid spending in the middle east for good.

Let them sell their oil and assorted troubles to someone else.

[winston_blade]

I didn't take it that way, he's pointing out the better of two roads. IF the government is in the business of spending our money(instead of us spending it) then we should have a program that develops our resources to the fullest. Everyone is using technology in the realm of nuclear power that we aren't allowed to develop. We(gov) spent 300 million in a year on researching Fusion Energy, we spent double that in gasoline in one day. Do you understand the potential for Fusion power? Now that's a Moon Shot.

But there are three roads.

[Young Paleocon]

I didn't take it that way, he's pointing out the better of two roads. IF the government is in the business of spending our money(instead of us spending it) then we should have a program that develops our resources to the fullest. Everyone is using technology in the realm of nuclear power that we aren't allowed to develop. We(gov) spent 300 million in a year on researching Fusion Energy, we spent double that in gasoline in one day. Do you understand the potential for Fusion power? Now that's a Moon Shot.

No....there is no "well if they're going to do it, they should..." argument. Don't do it. Don't tax, don't take. Because what they do is going to be irrelevant because it will misallocate the resources to what market forces would have done with them. Classic example of what Bastiat talks about in "What is Seen and What is not Seen." Aside from the moral aspect with which the government attains the money from the people, government spending, no matter how the money is spent, will not be indicative of market forces, and will be peddled out for political favors and along arbitrary rationale.

[Objectivist]

But there are three roads.

Either the government spends our money or we do, take your pick.

[gls]

Beck Thread :)

So god help us if he is the face that is attached to libertarianism

Unfortunately it's too late in my experience. I won't bother relating the anecdotes but he’s managed to hoodwink several FNC-watching associates of mine.

[MikeStanart]

At first I got really mad because I thought you said:

"mormon"

Then I laughed at myself and enrolled in a 4th grade reading class.

[Young Paleocon]

Either the government spends our money or we do, take your pick.

Beck was saying that government should spend money in a different way. Winston is saying that rather than discuss the two ways government should spend the money, don't tax/borrow/print and spend it in the first place i.e. the third way.

[heavenlyboy34]

He's good with some stuff, but rides the failboat with other stuff.

The only way I could ever tolerate (yes, I hate that word) gov spending in clean energy is if it could eliminate our need for arab oil, and by doing so, we could withdraw troops/aid spending in the middle east for good.

Let them sell their oil and assorted troubles to someone else.

But, but, that would grow the state and increase tyranny! :eek: OH NOEZ! FAIL AGAIN!:(

[ctiger2]

IMHO Beck is a NWO shill.

[He Who Pawns]

Wow, this OP sux.

I agree with Beck. If we're gonna blow a trillion dollars, why not spend it on a Manhattan style project to get off of foreign oil? That's a national security issue. As Michael Scheuer often points out, our foreign policy in the middle east will NEVER change as long as we are dependent on foreign oil.

Plus, whatever technology comes out of the project, the patents will be awarded to American companies or institutions.

[JasonC]

Beck also had on that Spanish Professor with the stat about losing 2 or so jobs for every one green job created in Spain. There was a thread on that a month or so ago. maybe more.

I swear Beck gets his show ideas from this forum.

[BenIsForRon]

Wow, I think I just walked into a freaking Dennis Kucinich what is your favorite gov program thread.

[Young Paleocon]

Wow, this OP sux.

I agree with Beck. If we're gonna blow a trillion dollars, why not spend it on a Manhattan style project to get off of foreign oil? That's a national security issue. As Michael Scheuer often points out, our foreign policy in the middle east will NEVER change as long as we are dependent on foreign oil.

Plus, whatever technology comes out of the project, the patents will be awarded to American companies or institutions.

How the hell can you have an Austrian as your avatar?

[paulim]

How the hell can you have an Austrian as your avatar?

haha. youre right, some are really funny here. First, bitching about fascism all the day, and then: OK maybe a little bit... if I look nice with it and we destroy the market for the evil muslims.

[He Who Pawns]

I said, if you HAVE TO spend the money anyway. i mean, would you rather it just go to welfare and union payouts? those do ZERO to increase productivity or change foreign policy.

pay attention, youngster!

[speciallyblend]

glenn is a tool in our toolbox to be used by us.

a rusty tool;) yeah mentioning beck in a conversation is no way to win people over to the ron paul republicans. we are no longer battling the failed gop leaders or neo-cons. we are battling a rotten bag of food and trying to sell folks rotten food. people do not like rotten food( aka gop)..

the brandname and what folks view as a conservative republican and what they view the gop as is the problem!!

now if we could just run ron paul republicans without relating it to the gop! then we would be a step ahead!!

[Young Paleocon]

I said, if you HAVE TO spend the money anyway. i mean, would you rather it just go to welfare and union payouts? those do ZERO to increase productivity or change foreign policy.

pay attention, youngster!

Youngster? How about just say no....There is no "HAVE TO", because government investment isn't indicative of market forces and government spending is done by taking money out of an economy. So you're going to take money out of the private economy to pay political favors to companies such as GE, or allocate the funds in an extremely wasteful and arbitrary way. Ethanol anyone. So no matter how you slice it, government spending is a fuck up and hurts markets. It's called profit motive, oldster.

[He Who Pawns]

So no matter how you slice it, government spending is a fuck up and hurts markets.

So we shouldn't spend money on an army, for example? :confused:

[LibertyEagle]

Wow, I think I just walked into a freaking Dennis Kucinich what is your favorite gov program thread.

lolol

[heavenlyboy34]

So we shouldn't spend money on an army, for example? :confused:

No. Private militias and defense comps FTW! :cool::D:)

[hotbrownsauce]

This forum sometimes....

[angelatc]

The only way I could ever tolerate (yes, I hate that word) gov spending in clean energy is if it could eliminate our need for arab oil, and by doing so, we could withdraw troops/aid spending in the middle east for good.

Let them sell their oil and assorted troubles to someone else.

The problem with letting the gov develop a one-size-fits-all solution is that it means we'll only be replacing the oil barons with the fusion barons.

[Oyate]

NEOCONS ARE NOT CONSERVATIVES.

http://www.restoretherepublicradio.com/Glenn_Beck_doesnt_speak_for_the_patriot_Constituti onalist_movement/