Tutorial on Individualism vs. Collectivism

[Deborah K]

This needs to be resurrected. I have a problem with the party system and there are those who think a third party is the answer to our problems. There are also those who don't believe that the party system is collectivist.

YouTube - -DVD Version: INTRO - Individualism vs Collectivism (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMYicq_SN1E&feature=channel_page)

[Deborah K]

YouTube - -DVD Version: P1. The Nature and Origin of Human Rights (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkSHg3JV_V8&feature=channel_page)

[Deborah K]

YouTube - -DVD Version: P2. Group Supremacy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0n4E2tAQBVE&feature=channel_page)

[Deborah K]

YouTube - -DVD Version: P3. Coercion vs Freedom (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ej5L3aJMlPA&feature=channel_page)

[Deborah K]

YouTube - -DVD Version: P4. Equality and Inequality under Law (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3YxvySQqkk&feature=channel_page)

[EonBlue]

Is this based off of The Chasm by G. Edward Griffin?
http://www.freedom-force.org/pdf/futurecalling1.pdf

I especially enjoy the coercion vs. freedom part!

[Deborah K]

Is this based off of The Chasm by G. Edward Griffin?
http://www.freedom-force.org/pdf/futurecalling1.pdf

I especially enjoy the coercion vs. freedom part!


Yep, I believe so. This guy has a 'Big Government' tutorial that I use as part of my effort to bring people into the freedom movement. It's awesome.

[pcosmar]

It is a great series.
I gave my Pastor a copy, he uses it in his classes. (History, I think).
It is a good one to pass around. :D

[RevolutionSD]

Thanks for posting this.
Taking these concepts to their ultimate conclusion means...no government. Government and individualism cannot survive together.

[Deborah K]

Thanks for posting this.
Taking these concepts to their ultimate conclusion means...no government. Government and individualism cannot survive together.

Except that anarchy doesn't work either. Or do you know something I don't?

[RevolutionSD]

Except that anarchy doesn't work either. Or do you know something I don't?

Anarchy simply means no ruler.
I can live without a political ruler, can't you?

Government itself is the problem. We will never get the "right people" to steer the ship, because it is inherently against the individual and always will be no matter who is running it.

[Deborah K]

Anarchy simply means no ruler.
I can live without a political ruler, can't you?

Government itself is the problem. We will never get the "right people" to steer the ship, because it is inherently against the individual and always will be no matter who is running it.


Are you equating leading with ruling? Cuz I don't.

[LibertyEagle]

Neat vids, Deb. Thanks. :)

[Agent CSL]

This topic is bookmark-worthy, thank you.

[zach]

Where can I buy this?

[Todd]

Deb
This is a great series. I've had it saved on You tube for a long time and I refer to it often.

Thanks for bringing it up again.

[RevolutionSD]

Are you equating leading with ruling? Cuz I don't.

It's the same thing when we're discussing politicians. They are not MY leaders. If you want them to be your leaders, fine, but I have a problem when they are forced on me.

Anarcho-capitalism is the only peaceful solution. Might does not make right and mob rules doesn't work in a free, peaceful society.

You have the right to choose leaders for yourself. You do not have the right to choose leaders for me.

[heavenlyboy34]

Except that anarchy doesn't work either. Or do you know something I don't?

This has been covered in previous threads, FYI. :cool: Yes, anarchy works. :):D:cool:

[Nate K]

You're awesome Deb. Anyone know what the music is in the intro vid? Definitely badass sounding.

[heavenlyboy34]

It's the same thing when we're discussing politicians. They are not MY leaders. If you want them to be your leaders, fine, but I have a problem when they are forced on me.

Anarcho-capitalism is the only peaceful solution. Might does not make right and mob rules doesn't work in a free, peaceful society.

You have the right to choose leaders for yourself. You do not have the right to choose leaders for me.
QFT!! + a zillion! :cool::D

[Deborah K]

You're awesome Deb. Anyone know what the music is in the intro vid? Definitely badass sounding.

Thanks Nate. :D Here's the song and the lyrics: http://www.lyricsdownload.com/buffalo-springfield-somethings-happening-here-lyrics.html

[BillyDkid]

Thanks for posting this.
Taking these concepts to their ultimate conclusion means...no government. Government and individualism cannot survive together.I have to disagree. There is a legitimate role for government - its only legitimate role - the protection of our individual rights.

[Conza88]

Except that anarchy doesn't work either. Or do you know something I don't?


I have to disagree. There is a legitimate role for government - its only legitimate role - the protection of our individual rights.

An amazing video series based on G. Edward Griffin's chasms... I know the guy who made the videos. There are more than just these series. The circle part of the Proper Role of Government video is wrong however.

It is great for beginners, but it is not the 'end game' for liberty. Anarcho-Capitalism is.

Now you can be intellectually honest and acknowledge that you've never read anything on the subject - and fight the cognitive dissonance that is naturally arisen from years of statist propaganda that "non-archy = chaos", because it doesn't.

So do me a favor, if anyone is going to attempt to rile against it. Please list what you have read on the subject. Anarcho-Capitalism: An Annotated Bibliography by Hans-Hermann Hoppe (http://www.lewrockwell.com/hoppe/hoppe5.html)

There is no legitimate argument for an institution to have a monopoly on violence.

[stilltrying]

It's the same thing when we're discussing politicians. They are not MY leaders. If you want them to be your leaders, fine, but I have a problem when they are forced on me.

Anarcho-capitalism is the only peaceful solution. Might does not make right and mob rules doesn't work in a free, peaceful society.

You have the right to choose leaders for yourself. You do not have the right to choose leaders for me.

Double plus good++

Couldnt agree more, superb arguement.

[Deborah K]

An amazing video series based on G. Edward Griffin's chasms... I know the guy who made the videos. There are more than just these series. The circle part of the Proper Role of Government video is wrong however.

It is great for beginners, but it is not the 'end game' for liberty. Anarcho-Capitalism is.

Now you can be intellectually honest and acknowledge that you've never read anything on the subject - and fight the cognitive dissonance that is naturally arisen from years of statist propaganda that "non-archy = chaos", because it doesn't.

So do me a favor, if anyone is going to attempt to rile against it. Please list what you have read on the subject. Anarcho-Capitalism: An Annotated Bibliography by Hans-Hermann Hoppe (http://www.lewrockwell.com/hoppe/hoppe5.html)

There is no legitimate argument for an institution to have a monopoly on violence.

Not everyone wants to be an anarchist Conza. Can't you just accept that? No one is "riling" against it. No one is claiming to want an institution that has a monopoly on violence. Give me a break. :rolleyes:

[Conza88]

Not everyone wants to be an anarchist Conza. Can't you just accept that? No one is "riling" against it. No one is claiming to want an institution that has a monopoly on violence. Give me a break. :rolleyes:

I don't want anyone to become an anarchist (traditional socialists) either. :)

It's just that if you actually want real Liberty in this life time, as I do - you actually need to know who your enemy is.. right? ;)

Ahh but Deb, if you want there to remain a State - then you DO want an "institution that has a monopoly on violence..." since that is exactly what a State is defined as... lol.

I'm not sure why you wouldn't want to become an anarcho-capitalist / non-archist... it's only true Liberty and freedom from COERCION!
It is the ultimate and logical conclusion of INDIVIDUALISM. :D

[Deborah K]

I don't want anyone to become an anarchist (traditional socialists) either. :)

It's just that if you actually want real Liberty in this life time, as I do - you actually need to know who your enemy is.. right? ;)

Ahh but Deb, if you want there to remain a State - then you DO want an "institution that has a monopoly on violence..." since that is exactly what a State is defined as... lol.

I'm not sure why you wouldn't want to become an anarcho-capitalist / non-archist... it's only true Liberty and freedom from COERCION!
It is the ultimate and logical conclusion of INDIVIDUALISM. :D

What I want, is limited gov't, adherence to the Constitution, free markets, and hard-backed competing currencies with no central banking. If that is your definition of a statist, then I don't know what else to say to you. :(

[heavenlyboy34]

I don't want anyone to become an anarchist (traditional socialists) either. :)

It's just that if you actually want real Liberty in this life time, as I do - you actually need to know who your enemy is.. right? ;)

Ahh but Deb, if you want there to remain a State - then you DO want an "institution that has a monopoly on violence..." since that is exactly what a State is defined as... lol.

I'm not sure why you wouldn't want to become an anarcho-capitalist / non-archist... it's only true Liberty and freedom from COERCION!
It is the ultimate and logical conclusion of INDIVIDUALISM. :D

QFT!!! ~loud, lengthy applause~ :D:cool: