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Tabby
04-23-2009, 05:41 AM
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/60831


Techniques for dilution, misdirection and control of a internet forum.
Posted September 8th, 2008 by docholladay
This information was posted a few days ago by "jshowell" and was titled "Troll Techniques", but since this type of activity is still going on here at the DP, I think it's important to keep it front and center. This one's for you, "ronbarr".


COINTELPRO Techniques for dilution, misdirection and control of a internet forum..

There are several techniques for the control and manipulation of a internet forum no matter what, or who is on it. We will go over each technique and demonstrate that only a minimal number of operatives can be used to eventually and effectively gain a control of a 'uncontrolled forum.'


Technique #1 - 'FORUM SLIDING'
If a very sensitive posting of a critical nature has been posted on a forum - it can be quickly removed from public view by 'forum sliding.' In this technique a number of unrelated posts are quietly prepositioned on the forum and allowed to 'age.' Each of these misdirectional forum postings can then be called upon at will to trigger a 'forum slide.' The second requirement is that several fake accounts exist, which can be called upon, to ensure that this technique is not exposed to the public. To trigger a 'forum slide' and 'flush' the critical post out of public view it is simply a matter of logging into each account both real and fake and then 'replying' to prepositined postings with a simple 1 or 2 line comment. This brings the unrelated postings to the top of the forum list, and the critical posting 'slides' down the front page, and quickly out of public view. Although it is difficult or impossible to censor the posting it is now lost in a sea of unrelated and unuseful postings. By this means it becomes effective to keep the readers of the forum reading unrelated and non-issue items.


Technique #2 - 'CONSENSUS CRACKING'
A second highly effective technique (which you can see in operation all the time at www.abovetopsecret.com) is 'consensus cracking.' To develop a consensus crack, the following technique is used. Under the guise of a fake account a posting is made which looks legitimate and is towards the truth is made - but the critical point is that it has a VERY WEAK PREMISE without substantive proof to back the posting. Once this is done then under alternative fake accounts a very strong position in your favour is slowly introduced over the life of the posting. It is IMPERATIVE that both sides are initially presented, so the uninformed reader cannot determine which side is the truth. As postings and replies are made the stronger 'evidence' or disinformation in your favour is slowly 'seeded in.' Thus the uninformed reader will most like develop the same position as you, and if their position is against you their opposition to your posting will be most likely dropped. However in some cases where the forum members are highly educated and can counter your disinformation with real facts and linked postings, you can then 'abort' the consensus cracking by initiating a 'forum slide.'


Technique #3 - 'TOPIC DILUTION'
Topic dilution is not only effective in forum sliding it is also very useful in keeping the forum readers on unrelated and non-productive issues. This is a critical and useful technique to cause a 'RESOURCE BURN.' By implementing continual and non-related postings that distract and disrupt (trolling ) the forum readers they are more effectively stopped from anything of any real productivity. If the intensity of gradual dilution is intense enough, the readers will effectively stop researching and simply slip into a 'gossip mode.' In this state they can be more easily misdirected away from facts towards uninformed conjecture and opinion. The less informed they are the more effective and easy it becomes to control the entire group in the direction that you would desire the group to go in. It must be stressed that a proper assessment of the psychological capabilities and levels of education is first determined of the group to determine at what level to 'drive in the wedge.' By being too far off topic too quickly it may trigger censorship by a forum moderator.


Technique #4 - 'INFORMATION COLLECTION'

Information collection is also a very effective method to determine the psychological level of the forum members, and to gather intelligence that can be used against them. In this technique in a light and positive environment a 'show you mine so me yours' posting is initiated. From the number of replies and the answers that are provided much statistical information can be gathered. An example is to post your 'favourite weapon' and then encourage other members of the forum to showcase what they have. In this matter it can be determined by reverse proration what percentage of the forum community owns a firearm, and or a illegal weapon. This same method can be used by posing as one of the form members and posting your favourite 'technique of operation.' From the replies various methods that the group utilizes can be studied and effective methods developed to stop them from their activities.


Technique #5 - 'ANGER TROLLING'
Statistically, there is always a percentage of the forum posters who are more inclined to violence. In order to determine who these individuals are, it is a requirement to present a image to the forum to deliberately incite a strong psychological reaction. From this the most violent in the group can be effectively singled out for reverse IP location and possibly local enforcement tracking. To accomplish this only requires posting a link to a video depicting a local police officer massively abusing his power against a very innocent individual. Statistically of the million or so police officers in America there is always one or two being caught abusing there powers and the taping of the activity can be then used for intelligence gathering purposes - without the requirement to 'stage' a fake abuse video. This method is extremely effective, and the more so the more abusive the video can be made to look. Sometimes it is useful to 'lead' the forum by replying to your own posting with your own statement of violent intent, and that you 'do not care what the authorities think!!' inflammation. By doing this and showing no fear it may be more effective in getting the more silent and self-disciplined violent intent members of the forum to slip and post their real intentions. This can be used later in a court of law during prosecution.


Technique #6 - 'GAINING FULL CONTROL'
It is important to also be harvesting and continually maneuvering for a forum moderator position. Once this position is obtained, the forum can then be effectively and quietly controlled by deleting unfavourable postings - and one can eventually steer the forum into complete failure and lack of interest by the general public. This is the 'ultimate victory' as the forum is no longer participated with by the general public and no longer useful in maintaining their freedoms. Depending on the level of control you can obtain, you can deliberately steer a forum into defeat by censoring postings, deleting memberships, flooding, and or accidentally taking the forum offline. By this method the forum can be quickly killed. However it is not always in the interest to kill a forum as it can be converted into a 'honey pot' gathering center to collect and misdirect newcomers and from this point be completely used for your control for your agenda purposes.


CONCLUSION
Remember these techniques are only effective if the forum participants DO NOT KNOW ABOUT THEM. Once they are aware of these techniques the operation can completely fail, and the forum can become uncontrolled. At this point other avenues must be considered such as initiating a false legal precidence to simply have the forum shut down and taken offline. This is not desirable as it then leaves the enforcement agencies unable to track the percentage of those in the population who always resist attempts for control against them. Many other techniques can be utilized and developed by the individual and as you develop further techniques of infiltration and control it is imperative to share then with HQ.

Personal thoughts: If you stay around here long enough it becomes obvious that these techniques are being intentionally used by a small number of people to dilute the power of freedom minded people who are coming together here to discuss important and sensitive issues. This forum is a powerful tool, and its educational effects cannot be underestimated, especially for those newcomers who aren't yet up to speed on the level of corruption in our government. Many people are just learning and coming to grips with the big issues. That's exactly what the neocons DON'T want, and it's why they send in their vermin....those who use these tactics to distract readers and keep them from hearing different viewpoints on things such as 9/11, Palin, and Bob Barr. The more ignorant the people are, the easier they are to manipulate and control with bullshit propaganda such as the bogus 'war on terror', 9/11 'debunking', and political ploys such as Sara Palin's V.P. run with McCain.

UPDATE: Well, of course the trolls are attacking, and are attempting to say that fights like this one are unimportant in an attempt to marginalize the above information. Here's why I think it's vitally important. The Ron Paul Revolution is about exposing the truth. It's about returning to a Constitutional form of government. By necessity, that implies that we have been lied to and that we DON'T have a Constitutional government. If you dispute that, then you are in the wrong place, to say the least. How did we get from what the founders intended to the FUBAR mess we're in right now? Was it a military campaign against the people of America? No, our freedoms and Constitutional form of government have been eroded over time by slick talking politicians, corrupt media, and people sitting behind closed doors trying to figure out ways to strip us of our money and basic 'God given' rights and turn us into slaves. Up until now, the insidious plan has been working, but as you can see, people are waking up. This forum is a great example of what the neocons most fear.....people thinking for themselves and becoming more and more informed about the lies and abuses of government which threaten to destroy the America that the Founders intended. This is not an ego thing with me at all. It's a life or death struggle for the survival of the Constitiuion and America as we know it. "Trolls" (whether politicians, press, or internet trash) ARE what have slowly brought this country down, and the fight to preserve the principles of freedom as embodied by sites like the DailyPaul are as important as anything we could be doing. Sites like this are making a difference, otherwise the establishment wouldn't be threatened enough to send in their lackeys to try to destroy it.



---It needed to be posted again, seriously.

tonesforjonesbones
04-23-2009, 06:06 AM
well topic dillution is rampant on this forum...Heaven knows how many threads have been hijacked..tones

eOs
04-23-2009, 11:01 AM
A lot of the things described in here can also be done by regular members who are just goofing off like forum sliding and just want to share information or know how things are done like in information collecting.

Funny how this very thread could be an attempt to marginalize us as well by putting us all into defense mode and making us second guess eachother.

angelatc
04-23-2009, 11:09 AM
Maybe you can get the Mods to make it a sticky rather than continuing to post it every day.

We heard you the first time.

Bryan
04-23-2009, 11:11 AM
We may give this a bush up soon since they are a little dated, but...

Our forum guidelines to reduce dilution, misdirection and control of this internet forum.


+ Posting of direct or inferred threats of violence against other people or property that is not your own is completely unacceptable by any user and subject to immediate banning.

+ No promotion of illegal activities.

+ Thread starters who are promoting their own material will be limited to two personal thread bumps.

+ Insulting or personally attacking other users is not allowed by any member. There is very little tolerance for violations, particular for new members. Reason: Insults lead to relational which often result in disruption, which dilute the resources of members and the intent of the forum.

+ Off-topic posts - Posts that do not relate to the threads intent are subject to being deleted.

+ Topics posted in the wrong sub-forum are subject to being moved or deleted. Please understand the sub-forum division before starting a new topic. Suggestions for new sub-forums are always welcome. Reason: Leads to most effective use of users resources.

+ Any form of antagonizing other members is not allowed by non-established members.

+ If you are to be critical of another users ideas or message please do so in a respectful manner. It is possible to discuss your points as to why you feel the way you do, ideally you should include alternate suggestions or acknowledge you have none.

+ No posting of graphically offensive material. If there is a valid reason that relates to the campaign as to why something graphic is of value then post a link to the content and provide a clear warning adjacent to the link explaining the issue.

+ Floods of low-value material may be subject to being moved into an alternate sub-forum or deleted. More tolerance will be allowed for established members. Reason: Excessive low value posts dilute users time spent on the forum just reading topic threads.

+ No posting of others personal contact information.

+ No posting of any proclaimed campaign announcement that is not supported with a link to the campaigns homepage or other directly verifiable source.

+ Promoting agendas alternate to the platform of Dr. Paul will have allowances for established members. Controversial topics should focus on facts whenever possible.

+ Use relevant and descriptive topic titles. Poorly titled messages may be renamed. Reason: Respect time of other users.

+ No promoting of campaign tactics or other activity that grossly counter the morals or ethics of Dr. Paul.

+ No excessive / pointless negativity on the campaign, its future or elements of it. All messages with a negative tone about the campaign from new users must provide supportive facts as to why there is a perceived negative and provide some suggested solutions to the issue.

+ Ad hominem attacks on other candidates and their support groups are discouraged. This is not a moderatable offense for established users but will have low tolerances for non-established users. All are encouraged to address other candidates with their proper name. Reason: This activity is discouraged as it can be used to generate a negative image for our support community.

+ Care should be used when soliciting money for some effort to support the campaign as it is totally possible that a scam artist will be looking to take advantage of the good nature of Ron Paul supporters. If you're going to do anything that will solicit taking money you'd be wise to make sure you have some established credibility within the community that matches what you expect. If you don't have that, try to set up some arrangements with a third party that does that so people send money to the trusted third party who make sure it goes where intended.

+ Read the welcoming message for each sub-forum to understand specific guidelines needed to achieve the objective of that sub-forum.

acptulsa
04-23-2009, 11:28 AM
I know forum slide can be a problem here. Especially since people tend to stop posting to the really, really good threads just about the time a good, solid concensus is reached. Does anyone think making more threads 'stick' could be useful?

Crash Martinez
04-23-2009, 11:33 AM
+ No promotion of illegal activities.

I'll consider following this rule if you buy me a big sack of weed! :D

Roxi
04-23-2009, 10:28 PM
another thing i see is that sometimes what could have been good productive threads get stuff posted in them that cause them to be moved to hot topics or other places.

the mods all do a good job at moving stuff out of the main forums, which doesn't matter really if you are using new posts instead of looking through all the forums and subforums, but its still good practice.

but maybe sometimes derailed posts could be deleted instead of moving the entire thread?

Roxi
04-23-2009, 10:31 PM
also maybe as a counter attack method we could go bump the threads that ARE about furthering the movement and positive things

i know i could be better at not only responding to things that piss me off, rather than the good threads that promote education, and productivity

:)

torchbearer
04-23-2009, 10:33 PM
I'll consider following this rule if you buy me a big sack of weed! :D

if you have a prescription or live in amsterdam, i don't see the problem.

Kludge
04-23-2009, 10:33 PM
Sock puppet accounts were concerning me a month ago, but the latest banning phase seems to have curbed that problem. Now I'm just bothered by this ~hugs~ shit all over the forum.

+1 @ good job by mods.

torchbearer
04-23-2009, 10:34 PM
Sock puppet accounts were concerning me a month ago, but the latest banning phase seems to have curbed that problem. Now I'm just bothered by this ~hugs~ shit all over the forum.

+1 @ good job by mods.

yeah the ~hugs~ thing is something we need to monitor.

sevin
04-24-2009, 08:51 AM
What is the "~hugs~" thing?

rpfan2008
04-24-2009, 08:53 AM
I remember reading it from a thread related to COINTELPRO.

sevin
04-24-2009, 12:38 PM
What is the "~hugs~" thing?

Anyone?

http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/the-platform/files/2009/02/ben.jpg

Bryan
04-24-2009, 01:02 PM
but maybe sometimes derailed posts could be deleted instead of moving the entire thread?

Yes, it's really up to the OP and the mod. If the OP is active in the hijacking then it is going to get moved. If the OP flags posts in their thread as off-topic they will be deleted or possibly split off. Some actions take more mod time than others so results will vary.

MsDoodahs
04-24-2009, 01:07 PM
Hugs? Which I still write as (((name of poster))).

What is the function of giving (((hugs))) online?

Who is being given the (((hugs)))?

Who is giving the (((hugs)))?

Unless the (((hugs))) are given in response to someone having expressed bad/sad feelings...like their pet died or their friend died or their garden was raided by wild rabbits...what is the intent?

rpfan2008
04-24-2009, 01:16 PM
foolish post

*deleted*

rpfan2008
04-24-2009, 01:21 PM
But I'd say there are many posters here who mayn't appear to be actively campaigning for Liberty and trolling instead, but as far as I understand they aren't. They made up a habit/addiction of being here, so even when they are not very productive they show up.

Cowlesy
04-24-2009, 01:30 PM
Hugs? Which I still write as (((name of poster))).

What is the function of giving (((hugs))) online?

Who is being given the (((hugs)))?

Who is giving the (((hugs)))?

Unless the (((hugs))) are given in response to someone having expressed bad/sad feelings...like their pet died or their friend died or their garden was raided by wild rabbits...what is the intent?

i have no idea what this hugs stuff is about.

angelatc
04-24-2009, 01:32 PM
i have no idea what this hugs stuff is about.

I find that absolutely impossible to believe!

Kludge
04-24-2009, 01:37 PM
i have no idea what this hugs stuff is about.

I think it's some type of Communist call-code, like the 88 thing for Nazis.

Cowlesy
04-24-2009, 01:46 PM
I find that absolutely impossible to believe!
Honestly I have no idea

I think it's some type of Communist call-code, like the 88 thing for Nazis.

88 is also a lucky number for the Chinese. In college, we'd order Chinese food from Super 88, a chinese restaurant.

Kludge
04-24-2009, 01:47 PM
88 is also a lucky number for the Chinese. In college, we'd order Chinese food from Super 88, a chinese restaurant.

Did they look like this...?

http://rexcurry.net/nazi-salute-taipei-times-roc-republic-of-china-government-officials-sworn.jpg

Tabby
04-24-2009, 02:16 PM
Didn't expect to find this here.

Yes, it's really up to the OP and the mod. If the OP is active in the hijacking then it is going to get moved. If the OP flags posts in their thread as off-topic they will be deleted or possibly split off. Some actions take more mod time than others so results will vary.

I was not aware that was how it worked, is the "report post" button the one to use? That button seems intimidating, some forums ban one if they report too many people or a mod. It seems too late for that to be of any use here anyway. If I really have any say in it, then will a mod please lock this thread?


Kinda ironic, you think?

lynnf
04-24-2009, 02:58 PM
Honestly I have no idea


88 is also a lucky number for the Chinese. In college, we'd order Chinese food from Super 88, a chinese restaurant.


ah, that explains the '888' restaurant, a local asian one. thank you for the enlightenment!

lynn