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diggronpaul
04-22-2009, 06:16 PM
I'm more than a little miffed at the ferocity of the attacks coming down from the establishment at Tea Party participants. It seems more than odd that such strong and vicious attacks are directed at only a handful of loosely organized citizens attempting to speak out about wild spending by their own government.

In any event, this attempt to frame average citizens as racists, white supremacists and nutcases is extremely concerning and must be addressed in an organized and prudent fashion. I would like to suggest the following set of talking points for anyone dealing with the public or media, as I believe this keeps the focus on what is most important to ALL Americans, and marginalizes the establishment's attempts to mis-frame Tea Party supporters.

Suggested Core Talking Points

The Obama Administration is suppressing economic growth and delaying an economic recovery by continuing to implement Neocon policies that...


transfer wealth to bankers via handouts through the bailout programs;
transfer wealth to elite by continuing to fund the Military Industrial Complex at unsustainable levels;
transfer wealth to bankers through the servicing of national debt, which is at unprecedented levels and growing;
devalue worker's savings by wildly printing USD's and distributing them globally.


Finally, I think everyone should strongly condemn the use of anti-Semitic and racist imagery and language, as it is not conducive to educating others about the important and far more relevant economic issues at hand.

He Who Pawns
04-22-2009, 06:22 PM
Don't worry about it. These nonsense "racism" charges are not being believed by the American public. It's very clear that the Dems are in a full panic right now.

Just keep doing what we're doing.

These protests should be focused strictly on reducing spending, though.

ItsTime
04-22-2009, 06:25 PM
If Hillary was president they would say it was sexism and jealousy from other women.

They dont have an answer to the tea parties so they go to the lowest denominator that being, tea bagging jokes, personal attacks and claims of racism.

That usually means that side making all the slander claims is wrong.

A. Havnes
04-22-2009, 07:53 PM
The racist/sexist card is the easiest card to play, as no one wants to challenge it. However, I think it's safe to say that most people don't believe that the tea parties are a manifestation of racism in America.

He Who Pawns
04-22-2009, 07:58 PM
Basically, no one in America is buying this BS line about racism. This is just simply the far left talking to themselves on Huffpo and some stupid blogs. Ignore them, and carry on the fight!

diggronpaul
04-23-2009, 07:42 AM
Basically, no one in America is buying this BS line about racism. This is just simply the far left talking to themselves on Huffpo and some stupid blogs. Ignore them, and carry on the fight!
The media and political forces that put-out these talking points all rely on focus groups and public surveys to test their messaging. If this message was not already proven to be impactful, than they would not use it. You can't possibly have any evidence to support your claims that this should be ignored, and it is a very dangerous game to simply scoff at the seriousness of these attacks. They need to be rebuffed strongly and people need to be refocused, as I suggested, on the points that are relevant and that matter to the vast majority of the population.

slacker921
04-23-2009, 07:57 AM
The media and political forces that put-out these talking points all rely on focus groups and public surveys to test their messaging. If this message was not already proven to be impactful, than they would not use it. You can't possibly have any evidence to support your claims that this should be ignored, and it is a very dangerous game to simply scoff at the seriousness of these attacks. They need to be rebuffed strongly and people need to be refocused, as I suggested, on the points that are relevant and that matter to the vast majority of the population.

+10 They know what they're doing.

The focus of the tea parties must not be anti-Obama and it must not include racist overtones.. even a hint of either allows the media to create an image in the public mind that allows them to dismiss the entire message.

diggronpaul
04-23-2009, 08:02 AM
+10 They know what they're doing.

The focus of the tea parties must not be anti-Obama and it must not include racist overtones.. even a hint of either allows the media to create an image in the public mind that allows them to dismiss the entire message.
I strongly agree that the focus must not be "anti-Obama and it must not include racist overtones." However, what I am saying is that the media is going to do whatever it is going to do, no matter what anyone says and does at a tea-party. In fact, if they have to they will insert infiltrators into the tea-party's who will say and do according to some predefined script.

Given this, what I am saying is that we must be organized in our messaging. We must be consistent and unified with our message, and the message must reorient the listener to the points that are important to ALL Americans.

Bern
04-23-2009, 08:26 AM
YouTube - Racist Provocateur at San Antonio Tea Party (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8500HxYv-FE)

Read the comments posted with the above video - background noise makes it hard to hear the conversation.

YouTube - Racist Provocateur at San Antonio Tea Party Pt.2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8JS8Bu1XEE)

slacker921
04-23-2009, 08:45 AM
..hhmmm.. make some "Provocateur --->" and " <--- Provocateur" signs and stand behind people like that. That way any photo of them will call them out for what they are. ?

Danke
04-23-2009, 08:57 AM
nm

Bern
04-23-2009, 09:42 AM
I'm seeing the phone # in the video as 210-667-9264, not 210-216-9264

Danke
04-23-2009, 09:47 AM
I'm seeing the phone # in the video as 210-667-9264, not 210-216-9264

You're right, I'll have to see how I was led to the site again.

edit: ya the original number linked to that site but the number is different, I did not look closely.

InterestedParticipant
04-23-2009, 11:03 AM
..hhmmm.. make some "Provocateur --->" and " <--- Provocateur" signs and stand behind people like that. That way any photo of them will call them out for what they are. ?
I agree that the most prudent course of action is to remain consistent and relevant with our message, and to simply drown-out the provocateurs and others who are attempting to co-op our message.

Brian4Liberty
04-27-2009, 11:47 AM
The Obama Administration is suppressing economic growth and delaying an economic recovery by continuing to implement Neocon policies that...



You used the "N" word. You are obviously a racist. You used the "O" word. You are obviously a disgruntled right wing extremist. :rolleyes:

diggronpaul
04-27-2009, 12:10 PM
You used the "N" word. You are obviously a racist. You used the "O" word. You are obviously a disgruntled right wing extremist. :rolleyes:
I guess I should have just used the "F" word to describe them........ you know, for Fascists. ;)

BlackTerrel
04-27-2009, 06:05 PM
One thing I did see at the Tea Parties is that they were OVERWHLEMINGLY white and mostly middle aged and older. It struck me as one last gasp of a dying population.

If you want to succeed you need to get younger and you need to get more diverse. Old white people is a steadily shrinking population.

You look at the diverse and young crowds that Obama had and that's where the future lies. Couple that with the fact that Obama had about 4 times as many people (in one city) for his inauguration that the Tea Parties were able to bring out in about 500 cities and I doubt Obama is shaking in his boots. The Tea Party people aren't exactly the ones that voted for Obama to begin with.

Objectivist
04-27-2009, 06:06 PM
Nancy Pelosi can KISS MY ASTROTURF!

nate895
04-27-2009, 06:52 PM
The media and political forces that put-out these talking points all rely on focus groups and public surveys to test their messaging. If this message was not already proven to be impactful, than they would not use it. You can't possibly have any evidence to support your claims that this should be ignored, and it is a very dangerous game to simply scoff at the seriousness of these attacks. They need to be rebuffed strongly and people need to be refocused, as I suggested, on the points that are relevant and that matter to the vast majority of the population.

There have actually been polls on this, and the majority said they didn't buy the bull, and there were few who actually did. It was something like 55% not racist-25% racist-20% are too ignorant to know what a tea party is.

Time for Change
04-27-2009, 07:56 PM
One thing I did see at the Tea Parties is that they were OVERWHLEMINGLY white and mostly middle aged and older. It struck me as one last gasp of a dying population.

If you want to succeed you need to get younger and you need to get more diverse. Old white people is a steadily shrinking population.

You look at the diverse and young crowds that Obama had and that's where the future lies. Couple that with the fact that Obama had about 4 times as many people (in one city) for his inauguration that the Tea Parties were able to bring out in about 500 cities and I doubt Obama is shaking in his boots. The Tea Party people aren't exactly the ones that voted for Obama to begin with.

Uh...What?
"one last gasp of a dying population"
Pretty negative if you ask me.

This post disturbs me a bit.
Are you an Obama supporter participating here because you believe in the principles of Individual Liberty, The Rule of Law and Freedom?
Or
Are you here to promote everyone integrating into the "diverse" culture of the oncoming socialist utopia, because if you don't conform, you are part of an evil and dying population that is probably racist because the little coverage by the mainstream outlets selectively provide footage of one particular race in order to continue their divisive tactic of racial tension to keep the general population misdirected?

Every person I saw there, every race, was of a similar freedom loving mindset.
Stop them from taxing us into oblivion to fund their spending sprees.
I saw Black, White, Asian and Spanish people there and not one single confrontation.
Gee,… how can that be with all the hatred out there? They should have killed each other if we believe all the bogus data provided by the media.

I have to be honest here, but realistically MOST of the black and white population is NOT interested in the workings or policies of the government and could care less about participating in a protest rally...and that comes from personally inviting hundreds of people to participate at the rally.
They are either too tired from work, apathetic or disenfranchised by all of the lying scumbags that are today's politicians.

These are not race related protests...and this is not race related apathy either.
The participants are American people who have made the decision to put aside the apathy, have committed to educate themselves and make some sort of stand against the encroachments made by the current elected government, hoping that their small numbers can make a difference in resurrecting our national identification as free people represented by responsible government officials and controlling the amount of money that is unconstitutionally stolen from our pay checks.

Implying that the principles underlying these protests is somehow related only to evil old white people that are part of a dying breed is not only grossly irresponsible but a reprehensible perversion of the intent to stop the damages done to our children's future.

diggronpaul
04-27-2009, 08:23 PM
There have actually been polls on this, and the majority said they didn't buy the bull, and there were few who actually did. It was something like 55% not racist-25% racist-20% are too ignorant to know what a tea party is.
So, according to the surveys they were able to convince 25% of the audience that the tea parties were of a racist theme, is that what you are saying?

sluggo
04-27-2009, 09:03 PM
Basically, no one in America is buying this BS line about racism. This is just simply the far left talking to themselves on Huffpo and some stupid blogs. Ignore them, and carry on the fight!

+1

These folks crying racism over the Tea Parties sound as ridiculous as the neocons did when they were saying that anyone not supporting the war was against America.

Let them talk. They are only discrediting themselves.

liberalnurse
04-28-2009, 05:47 AM
Exactly. I posted on another site that is mixed conservative/libertarian, Democrats. The short version of my comment: "If I disagreed with Bush I was unpatriotic. If I disagree with Obama I'm unamerican, racist. So. to some I'm an unamerican, unpatriotic racist. But let it not be said that I did nothing." Interestingly when I posted that it's more of the same with Obama, including comparsions, the Dems did not attack. I said if they can reconcile that Obama is just continuing Bush's policies then that's all good. Personally I can't.