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Bruno
04-21-2009, 06:16 AM
CNN covering it just now. Though three former astronauts have said they all believe there is other life out there, CNN chose of course to take the comedy route and play the X-Files song in the background. Peppered in was lots of laughter, jokes about Big Foot and "beam me up Scotty" references. They also spent 60 seconds talking about the hoaxsters that were recently caught, instead of showing actual UFO sightings that cannot be explanined.

More MSM misinformation, disinformation, omission, and ridicule of an important subject.

Clips shown of Obama answering the question of UFO from back during the debates. "Well, uh, um, er..I do know there is life here in earth, and people aren't being treated well. chuckle, chuckle." Nice non-answer, dumbass.

imo, this will rank far above our economic collapse in terms of global importance someday when we can no longer ignore the obvious.

Elwar
04-21-2009, 06:27 AM
UFOs will exist or not based upon what poll numbers show.

Right now...they don't exist.

Bruno
04-21-2009, 06:30 AM
UFOs will exist or not based upon what poll numbers show.

Right now...they don't exist.

If that's the case, then they exist. :)

http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc969.htm

A new national poll found that 72 percent of Americans believe the government is not telling the public everything it knows about UFO activity, and 68 percent think the government knows more about extraterrestrial life than it is letting on, the SCI FI Channel reported.

zach
04-21-2009, 07:28 AM
Doesn't the UK have its own ET branch in the government?

The media story reminds me of Dr. Paul in the earlier years - laughing and joking about something quite tangible to start thinking about and discussing.

Bruno
04-21-2009, 07:43 AM
Doesn't the UK have its own ET branch in the government?

The media story reminds me of Dr. Paul in the earlier years - laughing and joking about something quite tangible to start thinking about and discussing.

Yes, the UK does under the Ministry of Defence.
http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/DefenceNews/DefencePolicyAndBusiness/MinistryOfDefenceReleasesFurtherUfoFiles.htm

I agree - laugh and joke the issues away instead of addressing them seriously. Even Reagan and Gorby had conversations about UFOs, both believing there was something out there. The issue of opening up these secret documents includes releasing more files from the Reagan era.

libertarian4321
04-21-2009, 08:04 AM
Well, we'd covered every known conspiracy theory on RPF except the UFO thing.

Congratulations. Its official, no conspiracy theory left untouched!

I'll bet the UFOs were contracted out by the Bilderbergers to lay down chemtrails that would erase our memories and thereby conceal our knowledge that the international bankers and the US government carried out the 9-11 attacks...

pacelli
04-21-2009, 08:09 AM
The problem is that if they remove the alien-comedic association with UFOs, then the public will start seriously wondering what kind of secret aircraft we have in R & D.

Bruno
04-21-2009, 08:17 AM
Well, we'd covered every known conspiracy theory on RPF except the UFO thing.

Congratulations. Its official, no conspiracy theory left untouched!

I'll bet the UFOs were contracted out by the Bilderbergers to lay down chemtrails that would erase our memories and thereby conceal our knowledge that the international bankers and the US government carried out the 9-11 attacks...

How did you guess?? :rolleyes: :p

I touched the issue a year ago on these forums. If the mods want to move it to Hot Topics, they can.

Did you catch last fall the UFOs that were seen once again over Texas, chased by F-16s, which was denied by the military for two weeks, saying there were no planes in the area, then they changed their story and said there were actually 12 flying in the area?

C'mon.

I've seen on in the skies over Phoenix myself in 1996 during the mass sightings there and videotaped it. Was it an alien spacecraft? I don't know. But it WAS a UFO. The governor of AZ himself said he saw one and had no explanation for it and had a hard time finding out information.

UFOs have been sighted over the White House for decades.

10 years ago scientists had yet to find one single planet outside our solar system. Now they have found over 300, and find them at a rate of a few a month. They theorize there are hundreds of billions of planets out there, and at least 30,000 on the low end that would support life as we know it. Many are billions of years older than ours. In less than 100 years we took flight and were able to make it to the moon. What will we be capable of in 1000 more years?

zach
04-21-2009, 09:01 AM
Check out Project Camelot.. a lot of their interviewees discuss the "conspiracies" that many are aware of today.

However, just because you don't see something, doesn't mean that it fails to exist.

*runs away from possibly-impending off-topic pseudo-religious flaming discussion*

Why do you think our government and its employees (media moguls, administration, etc) seem to rarely take the matter seriously? Is it because they know what's right and what issues should be discussed?

I doubt that some television series such as Stargate and various "sci-fi" movies came solely from the imagination of an awesome story-maker.
Though, that's just my opinion - truth is often hidden in a thorn-bush of fiction and entertainment.

Matt Collins
04-21-2009, 09:29 AM
Well mathematically (statistically) and scientifically it is more probable than not that there is life elsewhere in the universe. However the likelihood of them actually finding us or us finding them anytime within hundreds of thousands of maybe even millions of years is slim to none. Humanity will more than likely long be extinct by then.

Matt Collins
04-21-2009, 09:35 AM
Well, we'd covered every known conspiracy theory on RPF except the UFO thing.

Congratulations. Its official, no conspiracy theory left untouched!

I'll bet the UFOs were contracted out by the Bilderbergers to lay down chemtrails that would erase our memories and thereby conceal our knowledge that the international bankers and the US government carried out the 9-11 attacks...Actually many of the conspiracy crowd around here are the next generation from the earlier 70's and 80's UFO crowd.

Matt Collins
04-21-2009, 09:36 AM
The problem is that if they remove the alien-comedic association with UFOs, then the public will start seriously wondering what kind of secret aircraft we have in R & D.Very good point. There have been individuals who sit around Groom Dry Lake (Area 51) and watch for the planes that take off and land out there. They are not looking for aliens but yet new technology that the military is working on. I believe both the B-2 and the F117 were developed out there.

Bruno
04-21-2009, 09:46 AM
Well mathematically (statistically) and scientifically it is more probable than not that there is life elsewhere in the galaxy. However the likelihood of them actually finding us or us finding them anytime within hundreds of thousands of maybe even millions of years is slim to none. Humanity will more than likely long be extinct by then.

That discounts the tens of thousands of witness sightings over thousands of years. Seems they found us a long time ago.

muh_roads
04-21-2009, 10:12 AM
Go here.

http://www.disclosureproject.com/

This group always fascinated me since they went public at the press club 8 years ago. Former high-level people claiming to be in the know revealing a lot of interesting shit our government has been covering up throughout the 20th century.

The technology recovered could end a lot of the worlds problems.

Bruno
04-21-2009, 10:16 AM
Go here.

http://www.disclosureproject.com/

This group always fascinated me since they went public at the press club 8 years ago. Former high-level people claiming to be in the know revealing a lot of interesting shit our government has been covering up throughout the 20th century.

The technology recovered could end a lot of the worlds problems.

Thanks, Paladin. Lots of great info on that site!

Xenophage
04-21-2009, 11:01 AM
Well mathematically (statistically) and scientifically it is more probable than not that there is life elsewhere in the galaxy. However the likelihood of them actually finding us or us finding them anytime within hundreds of thousands of maybe even millions of years is slim to none. Humanity will more than likely long be extinct by then.

Might I remind you that four of the variables in the Drake equation are UNKNOWN? You can't say its likely that life is common. We lack sufficient data.

pacelli
04-21-2009, 11:18 AM
Go here.

http://www.disclosureproject.com/

This group always fascinated me since they went public at the press club 8 years ago. Former high-level people claiming to be in the know revealing a lot of interesting shit our government has been covering up throughout the 20th century.

The technology recovered could end a lot of the worlds problems.

Great reminder-- every single 'whistleblower' on that video stated they'd be willing to take an oath and testify in front of congress. The one report that fascinated me was the naval officer who stated that he saw photos of a base on the far side of the moon.

Bruno
04-21-2009, 11:25 AM
Great reminder-- every single 'whistleblower' on that video stated they'd be willing to take an oath and testify in front of congress. The one report that fascinated me was the naval officer who stated that he saw photos of a base on the far side of the moon.

Isn't that a mind-boggling claim? If that is true, it would just blow people away.

muh_roads
04-21-2009, 11:46 AM
Isn't that a mind-boggling claim? If that is true, it would just blow people away.

Been a while since I seen the video, was the claim an abandoned "alien base"?

That is also why it would never be revealed. Don't want to cause a panic. Remember during the Clinton era when that tiny rock that came from space was discovered to have fossilized microscopic organisms inside? Remember all the religious fanatics running to the Pope ZOMG WE ARNT ALOAN?? I THAWT WE WER SPESHAL!!111? ANSWER US POPE!!!

And that was just over a tiny little stupid rock...lol An alien base would cause deaths and rioting because sheeple are fucking retarded.

Bruno
04-21-2009, 11:56 AM
Been a while since I seen the video, was the claim an abandoned "alien base"?

That is also why it would never be revealed. Don't want to cause a panic. Remember during the Clinton era when that tiny rock that came from space was discovered to have fossilized microscopic organisms inside? Remember all the religious fanatics running to the Pope ZOMG WE ARNT ALOAN?? I THAWT WE WER SPESHAL!!111? ANSWER US POPE!!!

And that was just over a tiny little stupid rock...lol An alien base would cause deaths and rioting because sheeple are fucking retarded.

Yes, that is the claim that I had heard. And there are photos of what appear to be a structure on it.

I do remember some panic around that meteorite you speak of.

Matt Collins
04-21-2009, 12:03 PM
Might I remind you that four of the variables in the Drake equation are UNKNOWN? You can't say its likely that life is common. We lack sufficient data.Well it's real simple. We have proven that we can "create" life in a laboratory in the right conditions (amino acids etc). We have proven that evolution can and does happen. We know there are millions if not trillions or more planets around the galaxy. So it would stand to reason that while the odds of life spontaneously popping up naturally are astronomically slim, there is an astronomically large opportunity for it to happen in. In other words for example if chances are 1 in a billion, it would be pretty rare, except for the fact that there are several billion or more planets out there making it likely that it has happened elsewhere.

aravoth
04-21-2009, 12:04 PM
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/2706/spaceb.jpg

Some perspective..........

Matt Collins
04-21-2009, 12:04 PM
That discounts the tens of thousands of witness sightings over thousands of years. Seems they found us a long time ago.Sightings of what?

PatriotLegion
04-21-2009, 12:08 PM
How about the Montauk Project? From time travel to super human powers!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montauk_Project

Bruno
04-21-2009, 12:12 PM
CNN now covering the issue more seriously as I speak - interview with Edgar Mitchell. (though a "that's silly" cackle at the end, and of course, the X-Files music).

I think she just said a CNN poll is up


Sightings of what?

Sightings of flying objects in the sky. Or did I misunderstand your previous statement?

zach
04-21-2009, 12:12 PM
All of these are just theories; however, that does not mean that they have any less credibility than another.

Matt Collins
04-21-2009, 12:12 PM
Aravoth GREAT image... here is some more background information:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_field

silverhawks
04-21-2009, 12:14 PM
Well, we'd covered every known conspiracy theory on RPF except the UFO thing.

Congratulations. Its official, no conspiracy theory left untouched!

I'll bet the UFOs were contracted out by the Bilderbergers to lay down chemtrails that would erase our memories and thereby conceal our knowledge that the international bankers and the US government carried out the 9-11 attacks...


There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all argument, and which cannot fail to keep man in everlasting ignorance.
That principle is condemnation before investigation.

Please google "Phoenix Lights (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Lights)", look at the mass of photographic evidence, movie evidence and eyewitness reports and tell me that HUNDREDS of people seeing the same unidentified flying object over Phoenix is a conspiracy theory.

Also, while you're at it, look back into the official US military handling of UFO investigations in the past (particularly Project Sign (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Sign) followed by Project Grudge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Grudge) in the 40's) and tell me its a conspiracy theory.

How about 100 people seeing 5 ufo's above a British town in 2007 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-470579/UFO-sightings-bring-town-standstill.html)? Is that a conspiracy theory too?

The fact that UFO's exist is just that - a fact - whether or not they are alien in origin, that's another story.

Edit: Just saw Edgar Mitchell being openly ridiculed about this issue on CNN. Utterly disgraceful.

akihabro
04-21-2009, 12:14 PM
I thought the X-files was his long form birth certificate.

aravoth
04-21-2009, 12:16 PM
Sightings of what?

Aliens, UFO's or whatever. Some of ancient man's artwork is pretty intriguing, especially considering the generally accepted thought is that ancient man recorded only what he/she saw.

http://www.crystalinks.com/ancientastronauts.jpg

http://www.crystalinks.com/ufoindianscrash.jpg

http://www.crystalinks.com/utahpetroglyphs.jpg

http://www.crystalinks.com/ufotanzia1.jpg

http://www.crystalinks.com/wandjina3.jpg

http://www.crystalinks.com/alieniraq.jpg

I really don't know what to make of these. Maybe there is a condition in the human psyche that we just don't know about that causes some sort of visual expression like this. But the odds of it being the same throughout several cultures that were not supposed to be able to even reach other, have to be quite large. Either way, I think it's obvious that there is something going on, and wether it is real or imagined, tells me that we either......

A: Need to figure out what these things are, or....

B: We need to find out what kind of neurological epidemic would cause millions of people worldwide to report sightings, and claim abduction.

The thing is, if it's real, fine, it'd be nice to know, If it is not "real", then there are a lot of people out there with over active imaginations that is literally causing them harm. One way or another, this issue has to be dealt with.

Matt Collins
04-21-2009, 12:21 PM
Sightings of flying objects in the sky. Or did I misunderstand your previous statement?Well a sighting in the sky does not = extraterrestrial life.

Bruno
04-21-2009, 12:27 PM
Well a sighting in the sky does not = extraterrestrial life.

I completely believe there is extraterrestrial life and we are being visited and likely have been for thousands of years. I have no qualms about my beliefs.

While I concede that a sighting in the sky does not equal extraterrestrial life, do you have any other explanations for what has been seen by countless observers over time, long before we took flight?

muh_roads
04-21-2009, 12:52 PM
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/2706/spaceb.jpg

Some perspective..........

My first thought when trying to contemplate all those galaxies that each contain so many stars and planets is that they/we are all but particles of something larger. And all the particles inside your own body and everything around contains an infinite number of galaxies.

It really puts the whole concept of god into question if you think about things this way. If infinity exists in all directions there can be no center.

Our big bang could have just been one of many that repeat. At the molecular level things contract and expand constantly.

Bruno
04-21-2009, 12:56 PM
can't view image above?? :confused:

muh_roads
04-21-2009, 12:57 PM
Aliens, UFO's or whatever. Some of ancient man's artwork is pretty intriguing, especially considering the generally accepted thought is that ancient man recorded only what he/she saw.

http://www.crystalinks.com/ancientastronauts.jpg

http://www.crystalinks.com/ufoindianscrash.jpg

http://www.crystalinks.com/utahpetroglyphs.jpg

http://www.crystalinks.com/ufotanzia1.jpg

http://www.crystalinks.com/wandjina3.jpg

http://www.crystalinks.com/alieniraq.jpg

I really don't know what to make of these. Maybe there is a condition in the human psyche that we just don't know about that causes some sort of visual expression like this. But the odds of it being the same throughout several cultures that were not supposed to be able to even reach other, have to be quite large. Either way, I think it's obvious that there is something going on, and wether it is real or imagined, tells me that we either......

A: Need to figure out what these things are, or....

B: We need to find out what kind of neurological epidemic would cause millions of people worldwide to report sightings, and claim abduction.

The thing is, if it's real, fine, it'd be nice to know, If it is not "real", then there are a lot of people out there with over active imaginations that is literally causing them harm. One way or another, this issue has to be dealt with.

This stuff immediately makes me think that the events in the bible were just primitive man trying to explain what they couldn't understand. What if we were just created by aliens instead of a god? I imagine we'll become like gods ourselves one day (if we don't kill each other first). I could see us terraforming mars or some other planet, then placing our own "Adam & Eve" there to study how they react with no external help. Our technology would appear so advanced to them it could only be explained as something divine.

Imagine you seen a helicopter 1000 years ago...how would you describe it? Or better yet...a UFO. You'd probably write it down as a god riding a fiery cloud or something.

FindLiberty
04-21-2009, 12:59 PM
Next to the return of Jesus Christ, is this X-File crap the ultimate distraction to keep us occupied while they reload/reprogram their smoke-and-mirrors machine?

Reminds me of the SNL 'Spud Beer', "Put you mind on hold and do just what you're told" jingle...

click here to check out this URL - "THEY have a plan, WE have a plan too" - Is it nonsense or OMG gold for a truther? You be the judge... (http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/et_infiltration.html)

krazy kaju
04-21-2009, 01:01 PM
Yes, a bunch of green men who may or may not be flying in what may or may not be flying saucers is a very important subject. Give me a break.

muh_roads
04-21-2009, 01:03 PM
Yes, a bunch of green men who may or may not be flying in what may or may not be flying saucers is a very important subject. Give me a break.

Well no it isn't important. But the recovered technology could be. Used for our own benefit.

aravoth
04-21-2009, 01:15 PM
Imagine you seen a helicopter 1000 years ago...how would you describe it? Or better yet...a UFO. You'd probably write it down as a god riding a fiery cloud or something.

Agree, they drew what they saw. Interesting that you would bring up helicopters....

This is from the Temple at Abydos, Egypt.

http://www.crystalinks.com/hieroplanes.jpg

Again, I'm not saying it means anything, but I am saying that the coincidences just keep on piling up.

aravoth
04-21-2009, 01:21 PM
My first thought when trying to contemplate all those galaxies that each contain so many stars and planets is that they/we are all but particles of something larger. And all the particles inside your own body and everything around contains an infinite number of galaxies.

It really puts the whole concept of god into question if you think about things this way. If infinity exists in all directions there can be no center.

Our big bang could have just been one of many that repeat. At the molecular level things contract and expand constantly.

or as the ancient philosophers used to say...

"As above....so as below."

Matt Collins
04-21-2009, 01:22 PM
I completely believe there is extraterrestrial life and we are being visited and likely have been for thousands of years. I have no qualms about my beliefs. I don't know if we've been visited, it's possible, but I haven't seen any substantial proof of this.


do you have any other explanations for what has been seen by countless observers over time, long before we took flight?Could be anything from drugs, to mysticism, to comets, to optical illusions, etc.

JeNNiF00F00
04-21-2009, 01:23 PM
Agree, they drew what they saw. Interesting that you would bring up helicopters....

This is from the Temple at Abydos, Egypt.

http://www.crystalinks.com/hieroplanes.jpg

Again, I'm not saying it means anything, but I am saying that the coincidences just keep on piling up.

whoah! Thats insane! Very cool pic there. You have anymore?

pacelli
04-21-2009, 01:24 PM
Agree, they drew what they saw. Interesting that you would bring up helicopters....

This is from the Temple at Abydos, Egypt.

http://www.crystalinks.com/hieroplanes.jpg

Again, I'm not saying it means anything, but I am saying that the coincidences just keep on piling up.

Which do you think would be easier for someone to believe?

That those coincidences are due to past visitation of alien life, or past existence of "modern day" technology that was wiped out in an ancient nuclear war?

I think both options have occurred.

Matt Collins
04-21-2009, 01:25 PM
If infinity exists in all directions there can be no center.From my understanding no scientists claim infinity. Currently as understood the universe is finite.

Roxi
04-21-2009, 01:39 PM
Well no it isn't important. But the recovered technology could be. Used for our own benefit.



the problem with that one is, it wouldn't be used for our benefit, it would be used by people we have no control over... technology is getting scary enough that i almost wish i lived somewhere completely free of all technology :(

remember after the supposed crash landing at A51, and at first they said they found something then they said they didn't and then they said they did but it was just a weather balloon... have you ever researched the technological boom that happened immediately after? word has it, NIGHT VISION was invented by the military directly after this "weather balloon" crash... many many other companies, GE being the one i remember the most, recieved contracts from the military to start producing this new technology...

kinda makes you wonder huh?

aravoth
04-21-2009, 01:42 PM
Which do you think would be easier for someone to believe?

That those coincidences are due to past visitation of alien life, or past existence of "modern day" technology that was wiped out in an ancient nuclear war?

I think both options have occurred.

I guess that is a matter of exposure. Whatever a person was exposed to through out their life would determine what evidence they would accept or dismiss. Some people believe the earth is only 6000 years old. And there is no way to convince them otherwise. Any evidence presented to the contrary would be dismissed as heresy. Likewise, Relativistic physics tends to discount measurable discoveries with torsion fields and plasma rotation as equipment errors. Even though Albert Einstein himself claimed Relativity and it's offshoot where wrong. Which is why he attempted to draft a new theory he called "Unified Field Theory". Some scientists will discount discoveries because it threatens the current dogma in the same way a religious zealot would.

There also is evidence that man is far older than archaeology says. But these claims are never investigated for the same reason, it threatens the current dogma.

The moral of the story is, I guess, that a persons faith, either in science or religion, determines the belief structure thy will adhere to most of their lives.

If you told a person that during the Ancient Vimana war in India (as told by the ancient Indian epic "The Mahabharata"), an entire civilization was wiped out in a nuclear holocaust, they probably would laugh at you. But show them where Oppenheimer drew inspiration to build the atomic bomb and they might think twice. Follow that trail, that rabbit hole is a deep one.

Bruno
04-21-2009, 01:54 PM
Could be anything from drugs, to mysticism, to comets, to optical illusions, etc.

....riiiiiiiiggghht. :D

I guess we will agree to disagree on the matter. :) Hope you see one for yourself someday.

muh_roads
04-21-2009, 02:08 PM
From my understanding no scientists claim infinity. Currently as understood the universe is finite.

I've heard of some concluding that infinity is possible...but really proving it is impossible so I guess it doesn't matter. I was just ready to follow up if someone asked "so who made the aliens that made us"...and my answer is other aliens.

It would be pointless to try and prove a ray has an end point. Human beings just happen to be the intelligent animals on earth that have the capability to ponder hope, wonder, an after-life etc.

Point hubble in a black space after they seen all those galaxies and it probably goes even further. Wait more hours to see something...then point in another black space, wait more hours...etc etc.

The very idea that a singular god can hear all the prayers of the infinite beings in our system is quite crazy. We reject the notion that Santa can know the wishes of all children on the planet and is able to travel to all chimney's. Religion is like Santa Claus for adults.

muh_roads
04-21-2009, 02:10 PM
the problem with that one is, it wouldn't be used for our benefit, it would be used by people we have no control over... technology is getting scary enough that i almost wish i lived somewhere completely free of all technology :(

remember after the supposed crash landing at A51, and at first they said they found something then they said they didn't and then they said they did but it was just a weather balloon... have you ever researched the technological boom that happened immediately after? word has it, NIGHT VISION was invented by the military directly after this "weather balloon" crash... many many other companies, GE being the one i remember the most, recieved contracts from the military to start producing this new technology...

kinda makes you wonder huh?

I remember we also had a hell of a time breaking the sound barrier. After the crash then Mach 1 was achieved shortly after, then Mach 2, 3, etc...

Yeah I'm sure concealing the info is a national security issue.

unklejman
04-21-2009, 02:21 PM
UFOs exist... until they are identified ;)



Agree, they drew what they saw. Interesting that you would bring up helicopters....

This is from the Temple at Abydos, Egypt.

http://www.crystalinks.com/hieroplanes.jpg

Again, I'm not saying it means anything, but I am saying that the coincidences just keep on piling up.

Please tell me your source for this? That is awesome if it is not photshopped.

Matt Collins
04-21-2009, 02:24 PM
The very idea that a singular god can hear all the prayers of the infinite beings in our system is quite crazy. We reject the notion that Santa can know the wishes of all children on the planet and is able to travel to all chimney's. Religion is like Santa Claus for adults.You were making sense until this point.

OptionsTrader
04-21-2009, 02:28 PM
That discounts the tens of thousands of witness sightings over thousands of years. Seems they found us a long time ago.

Tens of thousands?

Billions believe an invisible man that demands continual praise is watching their every move.

Eyewitnesses are hardly ever the most reliable evidence.

Bruno
04-21-2009, 02:59 PM
Tens of thousands?

Billions believe an invisible man that demands continual praise is watching their every move.

Eyewitnesses are hardly ever the most reliable evidence.

Well, millions have actually claimed to have seen UFOs though I originally said tens of thousands.

If I understand your point correctly, those billions of people are believing in an invisible man from sightings thousands of years ago. Many UFO believers are believing in something that people have witnessed, photographed, and videotaped in their lifetime.

I believe not only because to me it is more logical than any other explanation for me, but also because of what I personally saw and videotaped over Phoenix, what I've read, the witness testimonials from high ranking military members, photos and video, ancient cave drawings and sightings by Roman emporers and Columbus' ship, etc. etc.

Bruno
04-21-2009, 03:00 PM
You were making sense until this point.

It is actually a valid anaolgy.


UFOs exist... until they are identified ;)




Please tell me your source for this? That is awesome if it is not photshopped.


It wasn't. I've seen it on a number of shows, including one on the History Channel.

Matt Collins
04-21-2009, 03:09 PM
It is actually a valid anaolgy.No it's not, you cannot prove or disprove the existence of a higher being. :rolleyes:

Bruno
04-21-2009, 03:12 PM
No it's not, you cannot prove or disprove the existence of a higher being. :rolleyes:

I believe that was his point.

LATruth
04-21-2009, 03:36 PM
Life could be "out there". We are thinking in terms of human "space time" and what we "perceive".

Suppose they have a "craft" that could travel 99.97% the speed of light, they could navigate the universe with "time" moving at a fraction of the norm. making them able to cover vast areas in a blink of the eye.

The probability of life existing in our own galaxy is quite high, given the amount of planets orbiting stars.

Will they be carbon based?

Chances are they don't and can't have access to space travel, to use and make tools you need hands with thumbs or the equivalent.

I believe IF there is life elsewhere it'll be various forms of toxic bacteria, or animalistic in features.

aravoth
04-21-2009, 04:25 PM
UFOs exist... until they are identified ;)




Please tell me your source for this? That is awesome if it is not photshopped.

Actually it was, that picture was enhanced to show the relief, the actual photo's hieroglyphs are sunken, not raised. It looks more like this. This is not the same picture from the same angle, but it is the same object.

http://vejprty.com/abylarge.jpg

LATruth
04-21-2009, 04:30 PM
I don't think thats a helicopter, I think its a mummy on its back/sarcophagus touching the line at the top making it look like Bernanke carved it.

The second "craft" looking item I can't explain, although the vertical stabilizer doesn't make since for an aircraft meant to travel in space...

LATruth
04-21-2009, 06:21 PM
I am doing some research around the temple of Abydos and its people to see if I can't find an answer...

I thought these were stranger...

http://www.alien-ufo-pictures.com/gg11.jpg

http://www.alien-ufo-pictures.com/sumerartgray.jpg

And you can't leave out THIS ONE FOR SURE



http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/8275/raidershieroglyphics217.jpg

Bruno
04-21-2009, 06:43 PM
^ lmao

Give me liberty
04-21-2009, 06:49 PM
Those UFO nut jobbers are really nuts if they think that obama will Open up The X-Files lol
If Ron Paul was running the country i am sure he would do so if that is the wish of the people.

devil21
04-22-2009, 12:13 AM
Interesting thread.

If it were to be revealed that life does exist elsewhere it would blow the entire religion industry to shreds. Since religion is a means of control of the masses as well as wealth transfer there's no way it would ever be revealed that the Bible, Kuran, Torah, etc are fiction. The world as a whole would be flipped upside down. For that simple yet powerful reason it will never be acknowledged until little green men land and start blasting people with death rays.

"They blew up Congress! Hahaha!"

LATruth
04-22-2009, 12:16 AM
Interesting thread.

If it were to be revealed that life does exist elsewhere it would blow the entire religion industry to shreds.

Where have you been? Darwin did that years ago, and so did spectrum analysis and carbon dating of rocks/bones.

devil21
04-22-2009, 12:40 AM
Where have you been? Darwin did that years ago, and so did spectrum analysis and carbon dating of rocks/bones.

That's abstract scientific stuff that the general public can "ignore". It's much harder to ignore this:

http://www.cinemovies.fr/images/data/films/Pfilm501946726141.jpg

aravoth
04-22-2009, 08:55 AM
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/8275/raidershieroglyphics217.jpg

lol, good one. Speaking of Star Wars...


This is the Death Star.
http://www.redicecreations.com/winterwonderland/deathstar.gif

And this is the Saturnian Moon Iapetus....
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c370/aravoth/Iapetus.gif
Kinda cool that George Lucas would Draw inspiration from real objects like that.

muh_roads
04-22-2009, 10:13 AM
Where have you been? Darwin did that years ago, and so did spectrum analysis and carbon dating of rocks/bones.

The whole "missing link" thing still doesn't totally prove evolution either.

silverhawks
04-22-2009, 10:14 AM
Where have you been? Darwin did that years ago, and so did spectrum analysis and carbon dating of rocks/bones.

Yes, but if a sufficiently advanced civilisation has been observing the Earth for a few thousand years, and in the course of us getting to know them they mention that "no, we have detailed archival video footage of 2000 years ago, and we didn't see anyone called Jesus Christ..." it would have slightly more of an effect on established religion than carbon dating. ;)

On a related note:

Vatican: It's OK to believe in aliens (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24598508/)

FindLiberty
04-22-2009, 10:18 AM
http://www.cinemovies.fr/images/data/films/Pfilm501946726141.jpg

"Nack nack rack, don't run, we are your friends..." [SFX: zzzzzzap]

LATruth
04-22-2009, 11:53 AM
The whole "missing link" thing still doesn't totally prove evolution either.

I really don't want to go into my theory on the "missing link" here, it would open a can of worms I don't wish to open here. The link is there, just not spoken of.

aravoth
04-22-2009, 11:54 AM
I really don't want to go into my theory on the "missing link" here, it would open a can of worms I don't wish to open here. The link is there, just not spoken of.

please elaborate

LATruth
04-22-2009, 12:12 PM
please elaborate

Man's skull and "ape" skull comparison...

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/5218/image264a52132035216981.jpg

"Lucy's" skull, or otherwise known as australopithecus afarensis

http://www.fossils-as-art.com/images/LUCY-l.jpg

The missing links... notice the heavy pronounced brow, wide shaped eyes, and large nose cavity, these are from the Neanderthal period after "lucy" but prior to modern human.

http://www.rationalisme.org/photos/neanderthal_skull_big.jpg

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/6945/skullle.jpg

to what we see today.... smaller nose cavity, almost zero brow above the eyes.

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/9658/362455737910.jpg

Bruno
04-23-2009, 07:18 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,517421,00.html

Thursday, April 23, 2009


Apollo 14 astronaut told a group of UFOlogists Monday that aliens are not a myth and called on the government to disclose its findings, The Washington Times reported.

"It is now time to put away this embargo of truth about the alien presence," Edgar D. Mitchell, who made the longest moonwalk in history, told those attending a conference in Gaithersburg, Md., set up by the Paradigm Research Group.

"I call upon our government to open up ... and become a part of this planetary community that is now trying to take our proper role as a spacefaring civilization," the 79-year-old added. "We are being visited."

Paradigm Research Group founder Stephen Bassett backed Mitchell's theory and demanded that President Obama's administration release all information concerning extraterrestrial beings.

"If it does not disclose, by the end of May — this is not a threat or anything, you don't threaten the United States government, they're heavily armed ... the PRG has an enormous and substantial network, and quite a bit of documentary evidence connected to this, particularly politically ... and we are going to be extensively putting that out to the media, and we're just going to make it as difficult on them as possible," Bassett told the newspaper.