Dr Paul gets blowback on CNN because of secession video

[Dripping Rain]

im one of those who dont like talking about this matter because it creates more enemies than friends especially from the uneducated sheeple
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/04/20/paul-says-secession-worth-a-discussion/
im one of those personally against it but im not against talking about it
someone here last night said this was going to happen

edit: ironically on the liberal Huffington post people were equally divided pro and con Ron Paul's views. was CNN choosing to approve anti Ron paul comments? i think so
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/20/ron-paul-defends-secessio_n_188893.html

[torchbearer]

Dr. Paul has never backed down from the truth, even when its unpopular.
He is right. We all have the right to self-determination in our government.
Those people who want a King are offended. No one speaks out against the king.

[Dripping Rain]

wow theyre calling him a racist and lumping him with the neocons. some comments trying to make it appear as if he only said this because obama was elected. i think this video was produced at a wrong time and will be taken out of context :(

[torchbearer]

wow theyre calling him a racist and lumping him with the neocons. some comments trying to make it appear as if he only said this because obama was elected. i think this video was produced at a wrong time and will be taken out of context :(

what do you think they call you?

[Anti Federalist]

Dr. Paul has never backed down from the truth, even when its unpopular.
He is right. We all have the right to self-determination in our government.
Those people who want a King are offended. No one speaks out against the king.

+1776

Dr. Paul is accustomed to "blowback" and is well prepared for it.

[Dripping Rain]

Dr. Paul has never backed down from the truth, even when its unpopular.
He is right. We all have the right to self-determination in our government.
Those people who want a King are offended. No one speaks out against the king.

i know but those comments couldve waited. perry backed off his comments. i know Dr Paul was saying this for years but why repeat it now. the communists get a kick out of this talk. i didnt think it would be a big deal untill all the liberal blogs started picking it up and calling him a traitor and unamerican :( this makes me sad and angry

[He Who Pawns]

Dr Paul stood in an auditorium full of Anti-Castro Cuban Neocons in the Florida debate and called for an end on the embargo and sanctions against Cuba. I remember that McCain's jaw hit the floor. But that's Dr Paul -- pure balls.

[torchbearer]

i know but those comments couldve waited. perry backed off his comments. i know Dr Paul was saying this for years but why repeat it now. the communists get a kick out of this talk. i didnt think it would be a big deal untill all the liberal blogs started picking it up and calling him a traitor and unamerican :( this makes me sad and angry

It will be ok. People didn't like Jesus either.

[Dripping Rain]

It will be ok. People didn't like Jesus either.
i think its a stretch to compare dr paul to jesus. also the point is jesus wasnt running for an election and he wasnt a politician. ron paul may run in 2012. the liberal media will castrate him and bombard us with those comments just like they did to goldwater

[Bruno]

Dr Paul stood in an auditorium full of Anti-Castro Cuban Neocons in the Florida debate and called for an end on the embargo and sanctions against Cuba. I remember that McCain's jaw hit the floor. But that's Dr Paul -- pure balls.

+1776 already used in this thread but still deserving here. :D

[torchbearer]

i think its a stretch to compare dr paul to jesus. also the point is jesus wasnt running for an election. ron paul may run in 2012. the liberal media will castrate him and bombard us with those comments just like they did to goldwater

the comparison is the same.
Both spoke a truth people didn't want to hear.
It is only people who speak these truths even when it is to their detriment that change the world.
Dr. Paul can do nothing else but be honest regardless of elections. This is what makes him real.

People in my area are starting to wake up, they are coming up to me daily and telling me that I've been right all along. (I was just repeating what Dr. Paul said)
Those who are emotionally attached to Obama and this form of slavery are not going to be saved. They are not going to be your friend. They will cut your throat when given a chance.

You too must be prepared to stand on truth and principle even if it means your death.

[Reason]

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[Nate SY]

After typing out a large, vulgar paragraph of hate about the people leaving those comments I've downgraded to this.

I sometimes hate people.

[Golding]

Comments have been closed for this articleThey never keep Ron Paul articles open very long. They keep their articles on him open just long enough to accumulate generic blind anti-R rhetoric.

[RSLudlum]

WOW!!! It seems 99% of those posting comments are of a uber-nationalistic mentality! They even joke about invading Texas for it's oil, and I bet most are proclaimed dem/libs that were 'outraged' by the Iraq War. The idea of individual freedom and contract is dead to many of them. It's so sad to see. :(

[sratiug]

i know but those comments couldve waited. perry backed off his comments. i know Dr Paul was saying this for years but why repeat it now. the communists get a kick out of this talk. i didnt think it would be a big deal untill all the liberal blogs started picking it up and calling him a traitor and unamerican :( this makes me sad and angry

Fuck Abe and his commie bastard friends. Lincoln and the Union stood for slavery. They kept their own slaves in bondage while they invaded the South to keep it in economic chains. Lincoln was a traitor that purposely started the Civil War which was not at all about slavery. The more people that know these facts the better off we will be.

When anyone says the Civil War was about slavery, ask them which side was for it and which was against. Since they were both slave nations with multiple slave states, it would make as much sense to say the South was fighting to end slavery as the North. Especially since Lincoln stated he would preserve slavery to preserve the Union.

[Vessol]

Fuck Abe and his commie bastard friends. Lincoln and the Union stood for slavery. They kept their own slaves in bondage while they invaded the South to keep it in economic chains. Lincoln was a traitor that purposely started the Civil War which was not at all about slavery. The more people that know these facts the better off we will be.

When anyone says the Civil War was about slavery, ask them which side was for it and which was against. Since they were both slave nations with multiple slave states, it would make as much sense to say the South was fighting to end slavery as the North. Especially since Lincoln stated he would preserve slavery to preserve the Union.

Yes it is commonly forgot that the Emancipation Proclamation was just a political move by Lincoln to vilify the South and to make them lose any potential allies in Europe, I remember back in high school mentioning this to my teacher and she purposefully glossed over the subject.
And it is true that Lincoln suspended the rights of habeas corpus.

He is definitely not the greatest President ever, but I wouldn't classify him as far as a traitor. He believed what he was doing was write, preserving the Union, whatever reason that may be and by whatever means.

States should have the right to secede if there is good reason, kind of off the 10th Amendment. However the Federal Government should also have the right to go against it. That's why if a state secedes it should have allies and those others who would defend them within the Federal government and show their reasoning. Doubtfully though I'd see any secession unless the economic collapse goes beyond even a collapse. Even then I'd doubt it as the Federal government will just increase its size and has enough influence to gain the majority in states which push for their own sovereignty to the point of succession.

[RSLudlum]

Once again, minorities' rights, in this case the individual states, are being belittled by many that falsely believe in securing minorites' rights. Oh, the irony and pity in it all.

[Ninja Homer]

i know but those comments couldve waited. perry backed off his comments. i know Dr Paul was saying this for years but why repeat it now. the communists get a kick out of this talk. i didnt think it would be a big deal untill all the liberal blogs started picking it up and calling him a traitor and unamerican :( this makes me sad and angry

I know you haven't been here that long, but just trust that it will all be ok. Ron Paul has been speaking the truth as he sees it for over 30 years and he ain't going to stop now, no matter what people may think of him.

Ron Paul predicts trends, and he's very good at it. All the other politicians and most of the media just react to events that have already happened. In another couple years, you'll probably hear Cavuto say something like, "Twenty states are now talking about secession as an alternative to quell the angry mobs who are fed up with the federal government and to quiet the movement for a second American revolutionary war. Dr. Paul, you were talking about this years ago, and everybody thought you were crazy. What's your opinion on this?"

[Dary]

WOW!!! It seems 99% of those posting comments are of a uber-nationalistic mentality!

Out of 290 comments, I think I read about 6 that were pro disscussion. I smell a rat.

[Carole]

About two dozen states are already talking secession and for several years conventions have been held. The movement is likely to grow.

Personally, I am opposed to the slavery of the American people and the treason that is destroying this republic and turning it into a socialist, even corporatist/totalitarian regime.

If Texas seceded, then they could really defend their borders with no interference from the US government. Illegal immigration and drugs coming across the border could be dealt with by the country of Texas, which is now the republic of Texas.

Maybe some good will come out of this yet. :D

[idiom]

So much education to do before 2010...

[tonesforjonesbones]

I am and have always been for secession. They should have left us alone the first time. Southern Tones

[Original_Intent]

i know but those comments couldve waited. perry backed off his comments. i know Dr Paul was saying this for years but why repeat it now. the communists get a kick out of this talk. i didnt think it would be a big deal untill all the liberal blogs started picking it up and calling him a traitor and unamerican :( this makes me sad and angry

I guess when you have worked for 40 years to get into a position where your opinion is respected, then you get to make the call as to when the appropriate time to make comments is. I say thank God he has told the "inconvenient truth" regardless of audience or whether it was politically expedient.

[Crash Martinez]

How stupid do people have to be to call secession un-American?? It's laughable!


HEY!! July 4 = Secession Day!! DUHH!!!

[Dripping Rain]

I know you haven't been here that long, but just trust that it will all be ok. Ron Paul has been speaking the truth as he sees it for over 30 years and he ain't going to stop now, no matter what people may think of him.

Ron Paul predicts trends, and he's very good at it. All the other politicians and most of the media just react to events that have already happened. In another couple years, you'll probably hear Cavuto say something like, "Twenty states are now talking about secession as an alternative to quell the angry mobs who are fed up with the federal government and to quiet the movement for a second American revolutionary war. Dr. Paul, you were talking about this years ago, and everybody thought you were crazy. What's your opinion on this?"

so true

[apropos]

Without the power of secession, there exists no check upon the power of the central government.

Below, an interesting letter from Lord Acton (of "absolute power corrupts absolutely" fame) to Robert E. Lee after the Civil War.


I saw in State Rights the only availing check upon the absolutism of the sovereign will, and secession filled me with hope, not as the destruction but as the redemption of Democracy. The institutions of your Republic have not exercised on the old world the salutary and liberating influence which ought to have belonged to them, by reason of those defects and abuses of principle which the Confederate Constitution was expressly and wisely calculated to remedy.

I believed that the example of that great Reform would have blessed all the races of mankind by establishing true freedom purged of the native dangers and disorders of Republics. Therefore I deemed that you were fighting the battles of our liberty, our progress, and our civilization; and I mourn for the stake which was lost at Richmond more deeply than I rejoice over that which was saved at Waterloo.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig3/acton-lee.html

[MsDoodahs]

How stupid do people have to be to call secession un-American?? It's laughable!


HEY!! July 4 = Secession Day!! DUHH!!!


That is what we should be using on everything planned for July 4. Great educational tool right there, a way to make the dumbmasses THINK.

[shenlu54]

In fact,I see hope from those anti-RP comments.Many of them compared RP with Bush,this means they have no idea who Ron Paul is.I'm very certain that if they can know more about him,they will change their minds.

More people to google Ron Paul , more hope to freedom:)

[georgiaboy]

it's precisely Ron's apolitical-ness that attracted me to him. His honesty and forthrightness is like a stepping outside from a dank musty house into a clear, crisp spring morning.

To those who have ears, let them hear. To those who have eyes, let them see.

[porcupine]

The main response to Dr. Paul seems to be "HEY!! YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO SAY THAT!"

[kahless]

Liberals never apologize for thier views. This is the mistake our side constantly makes and it has got to stop. The further we go from the left the more likely we will see action closer to the middle. We will never see approval for our views on CNN or MSNBC, therefore we should stop trying to modify our views and message for them.

[canadian4ronpaul]

In fact,I see hope from those anti-RP comments.Many of them compared RP with Bush,this means they have no idea who Ron Paul is.I'm very certain that if they can know more about him,they will change their minds.

More people to google Ron Paul , more hope to freedom:)

word.

[reduen]

the comparison is the same.
Both spoke a truth people didn't want to hear.
It is only people who speak these truths even when it is to their detriment that change the world.
Dr. Paul can do nothing else but be honest regardless of elections. This is what makes him real.

People in my area are starting to wake up, they are coming up to me daily and telling me that I've been right all along. (I was just repeating what Dr. Paul said)
Those who are emotionally attached to Obama and this form of slavery are not going to be saved. They are not going to be your friend. They will cut your throat when given a chance.

You too must be prepared to stand on truth and principle even if it means your death.


Man tourch, you are almost inspirational this morning. :cool: Have a great day today...

[specsaregood]

I know you haven't been here that long, but just trust that it will all be ok. Ron Paul has been speaking the truth as he sees it for over 30 years and he ain't going to stop now, no matter what people may think of him.


True enough. This could easily turn out like the "slavery could have been abolished without the civil war" comment that he made on Maher. At the time all kinds of people initially got upset about it. But after further thinking it blew their minds. More than a few people said to me after that, "I never thought of it like that before. There were other options to end slavery, war might not have been absolutely necessary!"

[A. Havnes]

The people at CNN are idiots, and they attempt to slam anyone who wears the badge of conservatism. It doesn't matter who it is, unless it's a liberal saying that it's okay to say those things, they're going to slam them. CNN isn't a channel of patriots, just a channel of big government views.

[Acala]

I believe secession is the only hope of salvaging a republic from the flaming ruins that will be the U.S. in ten years. But the general public is a LONG way from accepting secession as an option. The only way to get them from here to the point where they will accept secession is to insert it into the public dialog now. And the first response to the attempt to insert it into the public dialog will be outrage, hatred, insults etc. It is inevitable. Whether you raise the issue now or ten years from now, the first thing you will feel is virulant resistance.

But Ron Paul is not some waffling windsock of a politician. He is a patriot. There is no doubt in my mind that he would give his life today to restore liberty. So what does he care about a little vitriol from the deluded masses?

He is, as usual, doing the right thing, the principled thing, the selfless thing, in the service of posterity and the whole human race.

[AuH20]

I see Ron Paul as the John the Baptist type for this moment, absorbing the extreme punishment as the shining beacon of liberty and common sense. He's laying the foundation and I'm immensely proud of him.

[silverhandorder]

Why are we concerned what left thinks of us? Those people closed their minds long time ago. I saw comments talking about history of our country like they know all the facts. The history comments were priceless. You can just ask everyone of those people who told RP to learn history about their own credentials.


This page works in our favor. At least those of us who go out and do not preach to the forum. :) Have fun with this guys.

[qh4dotcom]

im one of those personally against it but im not against talking about it
someone here last night said this was going to happen



I predicted this blowback last night...This secession talk plus the vote against Hurricane Ike aid may come back to haunt RP next year's elections....his opponents will certainly attack him for this.

Dr. Paul talked about the collapse of the dollar...when that happens or is about to happen is when it's more appropriate to talk about secession...right now it's a little too early.

Dr. Paul has avoided controversial subjects before....I wish he would have avoided this one.

[Athan]

i think its a stretch to compare dr paul to jesus. also the point is jesus wasnt running for an election and he wasnt a politician. ron paul may run in 2012. the liberal media will castrate him and bombard us with those comments just like they did to goldwater

I PERSONALLLY don't think its a stretch to compare him to Jesus. We aren't debating whether he is the son of god, but he is a son of Liberty.

:D

[Crash Martinez]

im one of those personally against it but im not against talking about it
Do you mean you're "against it" in principle or just that you don't think it's a good idea at this time? And in either case, why??

[SovereignMN]

I see Ron Paul as the John the Baptist type for this moment, absorbing the extreme punishment as the shining beacon of liberty and common sense. He's laying the foundation and I'm immensely proud of him.

I can defintely see this comparison.

[Dripping Rain]

Do you mean you're "against it" in principle or just that you don't think it's a good idea at this time? And in either case, why??

i dont think its a good idea especially at this time and i dont think most people can ever understand it. tell me this 2 years ago and i may have called you a traitor.
the liberal media will paint ron paul as a racist who wants to secede because the prez is black then theyll bring up the racist newsletter smear again and it will be very bad politically for ron paul.

[LibertyEagle]

i dont think its a good idea especially at this time and i dont think most people can ever understand it. tell me this 2 years ago and i may have called you a traitor.
the liberal media will paint ron paul as a racist who wants to secede because the prez is black then theyll bring up the racist newsletter smear again and it will be very bad politically for ron paul.

D.R., if they do it, they would've done it anyway. Dr. Paul can only do what he always has done. Tell us the truth.

[ProBlue33]

I was reading some of the comments over at the huffington post, what is disturbing is that some of the "soft" supporters of Ron Paul have turned on him because of this, blowback indeed.

Some things just seem to "cross the line" mentally and emotionally and this seems to be such a topic.

I agree with Ron Paul, but we must admit that when we bravely use our freedom of expression to tell the truth there will be blowback if goes against the current mindset, just like it did with Miss California and her honest answer at the Miss USA pageant recently.

[Dripping Rain]

D.R., if they do it, they would've done it anyway. Dr. Paul can only do what he always has done. Tell us the truth.

so true. im not really holding my breath for the libs. but Ben Franklin said in the John Adams HBO movie something like a wise man doesnt say everything in his heart. i dont care about the libs but i want ron paul to win in 2012. yall got to be prepared for this kind of dirty smear tactics.
may Dr Paul continue to tell the truth that needs to be told. and may we continue to push against evil

[crhoades]

Paul's speech on the House Floor of what a Patriot is, needs to be resurfaced and viralized with the advent of his talk of secession, Tea Parties, Beckites etc.

YouTube - Ron Paul : Patriotism (Who are the Patriots?) 1 of 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfEOn_zeAiE)

[LibertyEagle]

so true. im not really holding my breath for the libs. but Ben Franklin said in the John Adams HBO movie something like a wise man doesnt say everything in his heart. i dont care about the libs but i want ron paul to win in 2012. yall got to be prepared for this kind of dirty smear tactics.
may Dr Paul continue to tell the truth that needs to be told. and may we continue to push against evil

What makes you think he told us everything in his heart? ;)

[Dripping Rain]

What makes you think he told us everything in his heart? ;)

lololll
good question LE
actually its a very good question :D

[DAFTEK]

The people at CNN are idiots, and they attempt to slam anyone who wears the badge of conservatism. It doesn't matter who it is, unless it's a liberal saying that it's okay to say those things, they're going to slam them. CNN isn't a channel of patriots, just a channel of big government views.

Communist News Network has won the election for Obama. CNN will say and do anything to turn this country in the USSA mark my words! Anyone who thinks it cant happen to this nation is already brain dead by the media....

[DAFTEK]

http://digg.com/political_opinion/Ron_Paul_Explains_Why_Texas_Seceding_from_America_ Isn_t_Bad

[A. Havnes]

The comments are sickening. Glad that some people are standing up for State's rights!

[DAFTEK]

I am going to be sick! I am such a dumbass for clicking on that commie website!



CF April 20th, 2009 5:26 pm ET
The man's a loon, and shame on everyone who blindly agrees with every word the man says.

[LibertyEagle]

I am going to be sick! I am such a dumbass for clicking on that commie website!

I know the feeling. Those comments kinda make ya sick, don't they. :(

[rp08orbust]

I just noticed the US flag in the background of Ron's C4L video on secession--does he always have that in his C4L videos?

At least it's not a floating cross lol

[Give me liberty]

Dont worry so much about the idoits on that comment page, you should seen when obama was giveining his intro speech as a president, they seemed as if they were crying on that comment page, i always just ignore them, why worry so much about those idiots?


They are nothing more then just simple missy minded idiots, once when the new world order comes into play then they will say Ron Paul Was right.

Typical of them, just ignore them
They always AGREE with CNN, No matter what does ron paul say or anyone says.


Dont waste your time with them.

[silverhawks]

Communist News Network has won the election for Obama. CNN will say and do anything to turn this country in the USSA mark my words! Anyone who thinks it cant happen to this nation is already brain dead by the media....

I don't know if other people are finding this - almost everyone I have spoken to lately, has stopped watching mainstream news. It makes them angry every single time. Almost everyone that I have spoken to in my area is angry at the government first, and angry at bankers second.

[Austin]

Dr Paul stood in an auditorium full of Anti-Castro Cuban Neocons in the Florida debate and called for an end on the embargo and sanctions against Cuba. I remember that McCain's jaw hit the floor. But that's Dr Paul -- pure balls.

Ah, memories. That made me say "Damn" out loud just thinking about it.

I love Dr. Paul.

[asimplegirl]

Those comments are just absurd...

This is why I do not give that network any stats form me watching..it will NOT happen in my house...I will not be lumped in with people who act like that- think that way.

Dr. Paul is a great man, who stands for more than these people can handle...THAT is why they are so mad...they have blind faith in a party that will not protect them, and they are hoping against all hope that one day they will...like a love sick loon.


Ever heard that saying that a woman with a man that treats her like crap can't be dragged away with a logging chain? This is how I view these people.

They *want* it to work out in their favor...they just aren't willing to look at anything realistically.

[DAFTEK]

I just went into Menu\Settings\Locks\Channel Locks and blocked out channel 200 on my dish network DVR :p Take that CNN! :D

[NMCB3]

wow theyre calling him a racist and lumping him with the neocons. some comments trying to make it appear as if he only said this because obama was elected. i think this video was produced at a wrong time and will be taken out of context :(What isnt taken out of context by the enemies of freedom....

[specsaregood]

Ah, memories. That made me say "Damn" out loud just thinking about it.

I love Dr. Paul.

Yeah, he really showed his character there. To walk into the Univision debate in Florida and say it.....Wow. It got the audience divided between booing and cheering....

Here is the transcript in all its wayback glory:


MODERATOR: It's the presidential forum, the Republican one. We're going to talk about something else. Now we're going to talk about Latin America. A week ago, exactly a week ago, Venezuela rejected changes to the constitution, but the president, Hugo Chavez...

(APPLAUSE)
President Hugo Chavez has insisted that he's going to propose them again. Many consider him a threat to democracy in the region. If you were elected president, how would you deal with Chavez? Let's start with Congressman John
Paul -- Ron Paul, sorry.

PAUL: Well, he's not the easiest person to deal with, but we should deal with everybody around the world the same way: with friendship and opportunity to talk and try to trade with people.

(AUDIENCE BOOING)

PAUL: We talked to -- we talked to Stalin, we talked to Khrushchev, we've talked to Mao, and we've talked to the world, and we get along with people.
PAUL: Actually, I believe we're at a time where we even ought to talk to Cuba and trade and travel to Cuba.

(AUDIENCE BOOING)
(APPLAUSE)

But let me -- let me tell you -- let me tell you why -- let me tell you why we have a problem in South America and Central America: because we've been involved in their internal affairs for so long. We have been meddling in their business.

(APPLAUSE)

We create the Chavezes of the world, we create the Castros of the world by interfering and creating chaos in their countries, and they respond by throwing out their leader.

(AUDIENCE BOOING)
(APPLAUSE)

MODERATOR: Thank you, Congressman.

[Bruno]

Anyone who wants to understand his position on this issue should be listening to him on Alan Colmes radio show now.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=189632