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Freedom 4 all
04-20-2009, 02:45 PM
Jackie Chan-"Chinese People need to be controlled" Seriously...
Basically, Chan is endorsing a totalitarian government. And this line takes the fucking cake. "If we’re not being controlled, we’ll just do what we want."
Sounds like something the freaking Ghoul would say. Unbelievable, it seems there are some who actually prefer facism/communism. I never thought I'd see the day when a person protests against his own freedom. This is sickening

http://news.bostonherald.com/track/c...osition=recent

Brian4Liberty
04-20-2009, 02:48 PM
Jackie Chan-"Chinese People need to be controlled" Seriously...
Basically, Chan is endorsing a totalitarian government. And this line takes the fucking cake. "If we’re not being controlled, we’ll just do what we want."
Sounds like something the freaking Ghoul would say. Unbelievable, it seems there are some who actually prefer facism/communism. I never thought I'd see the day when a person protests against his own freedom. This is sickening

http://news.bostonherald.com/track/c...osition=recent

Link doesn't work.

I have heard many recent Chinese immigrants say the same thing.

Athan
04-20-2009, 02:50 PM
Some people, once they succeed by being given freedom will gladly turn on everyone elses' ability to be free.

Freedom 4 all
04-20-2009, 02:51 PM
http://news.bostonherald.com/track/celebrity/view/2009_04_20_Jackie_Chan_s_comments_spark_protest_in _Taiwan/srvc=home&position=recent

this one should work

0zzy
04-20-2009, 03:16 PM
Context is important:
http://cnreviews.com/life/news-issues/jackie-chan-chinese-control_20090420.html

And I will not boycott him. I do not fight for Chinese liberation, if China believes that form of government is best for them so be it. I will not impose my beliefs on other countries which I have no say in.

forsmant
04-20-2009, 03:17 PM
Everyone needs boundaries.

Deborah K
04-20-2009, 03:18 PM
I like Jackie Chan. Why boycott him? Why not just enlighten him?

rpfan2008
04-20-2009, 03:32 PM
Jackie Chan is just another businessman, he'd say anything that is required to keep his business afloat. :rolleyes:

Brian4Liberty
04-20-2009, 03:38 PM
Context is important:
http://cnreviews.com/life/news-issues/jackie-chan-chinese-control_20090420.html

And I will not boycott him. I do not fight for Chinese liberation, if China believes that form of government is best for them so be it. I will not impose my beliefs on other countries which I have no say in.

Most of the comments disagree with the writer of that article. And they seem to be articulate and well informed.

It's not our place to argue Chinese politics, until they become US politics. I live in New Asia (formerly Silicon Valley), so I see first hand how a society can change.

libertarian4321
04-21-2009, 07:17 AM
It's not our place to argue Chinese politics, until they become US politics. I live in New Asia (formerly Silicon Valley), so I see first hand how a society can change.

What?

Are you implying that all Asian Americans think the same way, and that its somehow anti-American or anti freedom?

That makes no sense.

Sandra
04-21-2009, 07:23 AM
The Title of this thread is oxymoronic.

zach
04-21-2009, 07:37 AM
The Title of this thread is oxymoronic.

This.

canadian4ronpaul
04-21-2009, 08:17 AM
might sound outrageous to us, who are brought up in the western philosophical tradition but these kind of ideas have been prevalent since the beginning of chinese civilization. Confucian philosophy was all about have a strong state, powerful leader who was the center at which society revolves around etc. I remember one guy I read about said the righteous can be educated, and the rest can be controlled by harsh punishments and good examples of propriety.

huh....i guess i learned something from that class after all...

Dripping Rain
04-21-2009, 08:30 AM
disgusting. what a douche bag. Jackie Chan is just another troll whos doing the communist bidding

Brian4Liberty
04-21-2009, 10:11 AM
Are you implying that all Asian Americans think the same way, and that its somehow anti-American or anti freedom?


Obviously, everyone is an individual.

But I am saying that there really are some differences between different cultures and societies, despite a lifetime of brain-washing in the US to the contrary. We are not all exactly the same, and we don't all have the exact same background, values and opinions.

They don't have a Bill of Rights in other countries. Some people have been conditioned since birth that the State is absolutely required to plan, control and command society. Guess what, those people won't be voting Libertarian. Some countries have a cast system, and that is also imported in some ways to the US. Call it what you like, it's reality.

Certainly there is an assimilation process that occurs with further generations. But why would one assume that the past culture is completely lost, and only the traditional American values will be retained? It's not just new foods that get imported. How will the political landscape change? Once again, I can't see America becoming more libertarian, by mixing it with more authoritarian cultures.

Jefferson explained it this way:


"[Is] rapid population [growth] by as great importations of foreigners as possible... founded in good policy?... They will bring with them the principles of the governments they leave, imbibed in their early youth; ... These principles, with their language, they will transmit to their children. In proportion to their number, they will share with us the legislation. They will infuse into it their spirit, warp and bias its direction, and render it a heterogeneous, incoherent, distracted mass... If they come of themselves, they are entitled to all the rights of citizenship: but I doubt the expediency of inviting them by extraordinary encouragements." --Thomas Jefferson: Notes on Virginia Q.VIII, 1782. ME 2:118

"Although as to other foreigners it is thought better to discourage their settling together in large masses, wherein, as in our German settlements, they preserve for a long time their own languages, habits, and principles of government, and that they should distribute themselves sparsely among the natives for quicker amalgamation..." --Thomas Jefferson to George Flower, 1817. ME 15:140

Brian4Liberty
04-21-2009, 09:27 PM
The story continued today. It is interesting to note that most of the "protesters" are Chinese, so excuses like "translation errors" don't apply.


HONG KONG (AFP) – The backlash over comments by Jackie Chan that Chinese people "need to be controlled" escalated Tuesday with everyone from academics to politicians censuring the Hong Kong film star.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090421/en_afp/entertainmentchinahongkongtaiwanpolitics_200904211 60054

Jackie Chan's 'freedom' talk sparks debate

Wang Qian
China Daily
Publication Date: 22-04-2009

Kungfu star Jackie Chan's comments on freedom - lambasted by netizens and scholars - were taken out of context, his spokesman said on Tuesday.

"I'm confused about whether it is good to have freedom," Chan said last Saturday at the Boao Forum for Asia, responding to a media query on his understanding of cultural freedom.

"Hong Kong and Taiwan are very chaotic due to their freedom. I gradually feel that the Chinese need some kind of regulation and control," Chan said.

He also said he would choose Japanese television sets instead of Chinese ones, as the latter might explode.

Solon So, the chief executive of Chan's company JC Group and his main spokesman, told AP in a phone interview Tuesday that the actor was referring to freedom in the entertainment industry rather than Chinese society at large.

"Some people with ulterior motives deliberately misinterpreted what he said," So said.

He told China Daily Tuesday that the company would hold a press conference on the matter after Chan's concert in the Bird's Nest, the main venue of last year's Beijing Olympics, on May 1.

A netizen going by the moniker "dhp0448" posted on popular Chinese online forum Tianya.com that Chan, being a celebrity, was only trying to get some publicity and his remarks should not be taken seriously.

Some scholars said Chan was not totally wrong.

Cai Shangwei, director of the center of culture industry in Sichuan University, said Tuesday: "Some Chinese products do have quality problems, which means we must intensify regulation."

Su Minsheng, a deputy editor from Taiwan Voice magazine, said: "He is just an actor rather than a politician. He should be cautious about his comments on politics. I like him, because he is patriotic and he is just so eager to see China growing strong."...

http://www.asianewsnet.net/news.php?id=5348

Liberty Star
04-21-2009, 09:30 PM
I have a fleeting guess, many "liberty minded" folks usually dont line up for JC movies or DVDs, so call for JC boycott might not be necessary LOL

DAFTEK
04-21-2009, 09:54 PM
BTW: How many live in China? How many live in the USA? Imagine if they all did what they wanted with no fear of anyone, LA riots would be chump change..

I think he might just have a point, yet i agree would the above post that if that's what they want so be it.

I like Jackie and i know he believes in freedom yet he believes what most emigrants believe after they live in the US for a few years and see that to much freedom is not necessarily good, some control is necessary so i don't plan to boycott him for this. His last movie with Jet Lee was a their best by far btw :p

shenlu54
04-21-2009, 10:31 PM
Why boycott him?

Freedom of speech,everyone has the right to say what he thinks.There are always peoples with different ideas living around us.

torchbearer
04-21-2009, 10:33 PM
Why boycott him?

Freedom of speech,everyone has the right to say what he thinks.There are always peoples with different ideas living around us.

In a free society you don't ban movies, you boycott them.
You don't ban porn, you don't buy it.
You don't ban movie stars, you boycott their movies.

The decision to boycott is also a freedom of speech action.

Don't like what walmart is doing? Stop shopping there.
Buy an ad and convince others not to shop there either.

That is perfectly consistent with a free society.

silverhandorder
04-21-2009, 10:34 PM
Give him a break he said he was confused. Hate him for his views. I like his movies. To disqualify all of his achievements just because you disagree will not do anyone any good.

BKV
04-21-2009, 10:54 PM
since when have you heard something intelligent come out of a movie star's mouth?

shenlu54
04-21-2009, 11:48 PM
In a free society you don't ban movies, you boycott them.
You don't ban porn, you don't buy it.
You don't ban movie stars, you boycott their movies.


I agree,sure we have the right to boycott someone we don't like.

BKV
04-22-2009, 12:54 AM
since when have you heard something intelligent come out of a movie star's mouth?

I take that back, Scott Clifton is a smart guy, look him up on youtube.

Met Income
04-22-2009, 05:28 AM
since when have you heard something intelligent come out of a movie star's mouth?

do you understand the words that are coming out of his mouth?

Sandra
04-22-2009, 06:27 AM
I think the OP's title should have read we "can" boycott rather than "should" boycott.

mczerone
04-22-2009, 07:03 AM
"If we’re not being controlled, we’ll just do what we want."

I'm reminded of a quote:

When people do what they please, you get Woodstock.
When the State does as it pleases, you get Auschwitz.

Mr. Chan has been convinced by Statist propaganda that "people" are bad, but "the people running the government" are good. We need to counter this thinking with the truth that, on the whole "people" are good, and when we allow a State to have expansive powers, it will necessarily draw in the bad, and even the well meaning people in the State will stifle the 'good' in the population.

Freedom 4 all
04-22-2009, 08:47 AM
I don't know, maybe boycott was a little harsh. I was just really pissed off that someone who I used to idolize when I was a kid would say something so profoundly anti-freedom.

canadian4ronpaul
04-22-2009, 08:58 AM
screw you guys, rumble in the bronx is a masterpiece, you'll have to pry my dvd from my cold dead hands!