We need to nip the neo-cons in the bud.

[Elwar]

It's discouraging to hear of the neo-cons piggy backing our tea parties. We need to nip this in the bud. Obama's socialist agenda is bad, but we cannot allow the neo-cons to survive their defeat in November. They should go down in flames and stay that way.

We need to flex our grassroots muscle even more now to push them back into the darkness where they belong.

I think that right now, their weakness is that the only thing they have to rally around is the fact that they hate that Obama is destroying our country right now instead of Bush. The best thing they could come up with as a rallying cry was "USA! USA! USA!".

We need to focus on anti-neo-con messages at these rallies..."End the Fed", "End the War", "Obama=Bush", etc.

They still have the money and media control, but they cannot take away our grassroots.

[acptulsa]

At the Oklahoma G.O.P. Convention Saturday, they still had the number, too. About all we can do is stand on principle and refuse to rebuild the 'Reagan Coalition' wherein fiscal conservatives were silly enough to believe Reagan's impossible promises. It was obvious on the face of it that Reagan couldn't do all that he promised. Yet fiscal conservatives voted for the rhetoric in spite of the obvious futility of it. Twice.

So long as we don't let that happen again, the G.O.P. will either come to us or die. We'll leave them no third way.

[slacker921]

.... "Audit the Federal Reserve"

Sorry, but after going to a Tea Party and talking to the folks who were chanting "USA, USA, USA" I realized that they think "End the Fed" means you're anti-government and want to end the federal government. Yes, the ones I talked to were that clueless. You have to spell it out for them.

How about banner ads that say "Neoconservatives are sinking the GOP".. spread them all over the web. They'd show up on hotair, hannity forums, cnn, etc. Point them to a page that gives info on what neoconservatism is.

[Ozwest]

Get the lazy bastards out there!

Are you so high-browed to exclude others?

[acptulsa]

Get the lazy bastards out there!

Are you so high-browed to exclude others?

Whether highbrow or lowbrow, they're certainly happy enough to try to exclude us. Too bad for them they can't win without us. And they'll never be able to, either. That has been proven from Reagan onward--and even before.

[Matt Collins]

It was described to me by an older member of the local Republican Party as "clubbing the baby seals so they don't grow up to be big ugly walruses with tusks".;)


His point was that we have to club the seals when they are young :p

[lynnf]

It's discouraging to hear of the neo-cons piggy backing our tea parties. We need to nip this in the bud. Obama's socialist agenda is bad, but we cannot allow the neo-cons to survive their defeat in November. They should go down in flames and stay that way.

We need to flex our grassroots muscle even more now to push them back into the darkness where they belong.

I think that right now, their weakness is that the only thing they have to rally around is the fact that they hate that Obama is destroying our country right now instead of Bush. The best thing they could come up with as a rallying cry was "USA! USA! USA!".

We need to focus on anti-neo-con messages at these rallies..."End the Fed", "End the War", "Obama=Bush", etc.

They still have the money and media control, but they cannot take away our grassroots.

without the neocons, how many votes will we be left with? no, we need the neocons, we need to turn them in our direction, but not let them take it over from us again. not a simple task and it will require more savvy leadership than we had last time around.

lynn

[RevolutionSD]

It's discouraging to hear of the neo-cons piggy backing our tea parties. We need to nip this in the bud. Obama's socialist agenda is bad, but we cannot allow the neo-cons to survive their defeat in November. They should go down in flames and stay that way.

We need to flex our grassroots muscle even more now to push them back into the darkness where they belong.

I think that right now, their weakness is that the only thing they have to rally around is the fact that they hate that Obama is destroying our country right now instead of Bush. The best thing they could come up with as a rallying cry was "USA! USA! USA!".

We need to focus on anti-neo-con messages at these rallies..."End the Fed", "End the War", "Obama=Bush", etc.

They still have the money and media control, but they cannot take away our grassroots.

They weren't "our tea parties", Rick Santelli, a McCain supporter, started this whole thing.

[Ozwest]

Don't you get it?

People are not going to read Mises or the Constitution in large numbers.

They will rebel without prosperity, law, and justice.

[RevolutionSD]

.... "Audit the Federal Reserve"

Sorry, but after going to a Tea Party and talking to the folks who were chanting "USA, USA, USA" I realized that they think "End the Fed" means you're anti-government and want to end the federal government. Yes, the ones I talked to were that clueless. You have to spell it out for them.

How about banner ads that say "Neoconservatives are sinking the GOP".. spread them all over the web. They'd show up on hotair, hannity forums, cnn, etc. Point them to a page that gives info on what neoconservatism is.

I am anti-government and want to end the government. :)

[heavenlyboy34]

I am anti-government and want to end the government. :)

+1776!! :cool::D:)

[Elwar]

without the neocons, how many votes will we be left with? no, we need the neocons, we need to turn them in our direction, but not let them take it over from us again. not a simple task and it will require more savvy leadership than we had last time around.

lynn

This is the exact same thing they are saying about us. They want our numbers, but they don't want our principles.

We can't let them bring their princpiles to our domain.

[Elwar]

They weren't "our tea parties", Rick Santelli, a McCain supporter, started this whole thing.

So he was the one that was responsible for getting Ron Paul $6 million at the tea party money bomb and tea parties that went along with it?

Hell, even if it was their ideas and them getting things rolling...I say we hijack the term for our Federal Reserve rallies...

Have Tea Party rallies on the foots of the Federal Reserve buildings calling for and end to the Federal Reserve.

Let's have the neo-cons shitting their pants for creating a monster that they lost control of.

[acptulsa]

This is the exact same thing they are saying about us. They want our numbers, but they don't want our principles.

We can't let them bring their princpiles to our domain.

Yeah, I also wonder if we and the warhawks can reconcile our differences. I think we have a better chance to coalesce with the more principled liberals, by promising them that they can have all the state-level socialism 51% of the voters in their states can stand provided the federal level socialism is ended completely. After all, Obama and Biden are doing a very fine job of leaving antiwar people as disaffected these days as the neocons ever did.

[TruckinMike]

We need to focus on anti-neo-con messages at these rallies..."End the Fed", "End the War", "Obama=Bush", etc.

They still have the money and media control, but they cannot take away our grassroots.

Exactly!

In San Antonio I met some well meaning folks that were still playing the red team/ blue team sport, but on the back of every audit the fed leaflet that I passed out - I printed RonPaulHawaii's left/right paradigm flier. (http://c4liberty.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/tea-party-bi.pdf) From the conversations that I had - that concept fell easy on their ears - they didn't seem to trust the Repug's either. The problem is that folks don't know what WE are. They feel they have know where to run. They seem to be shy of "Ron Paul"... all the marginalizing that took place in the primaries has taken a toll.

All in all I think SA turned out good. There was a lot of establishment bashing! I think that these folks are ripe for the pickin's.

And now on to: 4/25

The "End the Fed" / "Audit the Fed" rally is comin' up. Get your fliers in hand, signs made, and get ready to educate!:D

TMike

[StilesBC]

We need to differentiate between the neocon leaders and their sheeple followers who played right into their fear mongering to justify foreign wars and big government.

But we don't want the leaders. We don't want anything that can be easily associated with neoconisms - because having them around would have a more harmful effect in trying to convince the civil Libertarians from the misguided left that we are different.

Be very public about the repudiation of high-profile neocon figures while reeducating their easily influenceable followers.

[heavenlyboy34]

Yeah, I also wonder if we and the warhawks can reconcile our differences. I think we have a better chance to coalesce with the more principled liberals, by promising them that they can have all the state-level socialism 51% of the voters in their states can stand provided the federal level socialism is ended completely. After all, Obama and Biden are doing a very fine job of leaving antiwar people as disaffected these days as the neocons ever did.

I can't compromise with Statist neocons and libs. :p fuck them!

"Those who would get in bed with government must be prepared for the disease it spreads." -Ron Paul :cool:

[acptulsa]

I can't compromise with Statist neocons and libs. :p fuck them!

Well, we have to find some allies somewhere. The state-level socialism already exists. And this would give us allies in the fight to be rid of federal-level socialism. So, I think I could stand some strange bedfellowes given this much potential...

[heavenlyboy34]

Well, we have to find some allies somewhere. The state-level socialism already exists. And this would give us allies in the fight to be rid of federal-level socialism. So, I think I could stand some strange bedfellowes given this much potential...

Well, converting them is a whole 'nother thing! That, I don't mind. :cool::D:)

[acptulsa]

Well, converting them is a whole 'nother thing! That, I don't mind. :cool::D:)

Well, the 'conversion' at first is converting them to the view that federal-level socialism is no good. This is as easy as pointing out that it failed miserably in the U.S.S.R. and China, but wasn't nearly as spectacular a failure in various western Europe nations.

Then we let the more libertarian states kick their economic asses. That completes the job.

[CUnknown]

The true neocons cannot be part of this movement, almost by definition. More than anything, the Ron Paul Revolution is an anti-neocon revolution. However, the majority of Republicans, the people who went to these Tea Parties, are not neocons. They're just people. We need them on our side.