King family draws fees from DC memorial project [Archive]

BlackTerrel

04-17-2009, 05:20 PM

Just had this emailed to me. Shameless stuff from the man's family. Trying to profit off his legacy...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090417/ap_on_re_us/king_memorial

WASHINGTON – The family of the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. has charged the foundation building a monument to the civil rights leader on the National Mall about $800,000 for the use of his words and image — an arrangement one leading scholar says King would have found offensive...

..."I don't think the Jefferson family, the Lincoln family ... I don't think any other group of family ancestors has been paid a licensing fee for a memorial in Washington," said Cambridge University historian David Garrow, who won a Pulitzer Prize for his biography of King. "One would think any family would be so thrilled to have their forefather celebrated and memorialized in D.C. that it would never dawn on them to ask for a penny."...

...Harry Johnson, president of the Martin Luther King Jr. National Memorial Project Foundation, said that the fees were not a burden and that the foundation has a good relationship with the King family.

"We just want to build the memorial," said Johnson, a Houston lawyer. "The memorial we are building will be the people's memorial and will belong to the people of the United States."

The foundation hopes to begin building the $120 million memorial this year. It has raised $104 million of that so far, including $10 million from Congress. It has tapped charitable foundations, Fortune 500 companies and individuals, sending letters to more than 1 million potential donors.

The intellectual property issue first surfaced in 2001, when the King family's efforts to seek a licensing agreement briefly stalled fundraising....

bossman068410

04-17-2009, 05:22 PM

CUT Copywrite Laws

5 - 10 Years MAX

AuH20

04-17-2009, 05:23 PM

But they're entitled to that 800,000. :D;)

orafi

04-17-2009, 07:43 PM

You have to get paid to allow something to be erected (no innuendo intended) in your patriarch's honor? bull shit.

max

04-17-2009, 07:58 PM

nate895

04-17-2009, 08:02 PM

Andrew-Austin

04-17-2009, 08:09 PM

If King saw hookers, that is his own business. The FBI shouldn't release anything about his personal life, nor should they have gathered that kind of info in the first place.

AuH20

04-17-2009, 08:10 PM

amazing how quick communists like the King family are to embrace "capitalism" when it serves their interests.

FYI...MLK was a Marxist fraud. All of his speeches were written by a Marxist named Stanley Levinson.

King was a racist agitator who got his kicks by abusing white prostitutes. The FBI files on King will be sealed for another 30 years because the stuff in them is so bad it would destroy his "legacy"

Yup. Those FBI files are radioactive to King's legacy. Say what you want about Malcolm X but he was TWICE the man King was. He actually had integrity. The wrong man got all the accolades and hero worship IMHO. X in a weird way reminded me of a black founding father, in that his tenacity, wisdom and sense of self-determination was unique for a black man of that era.

max

04-17-2009, 08:11 PM

If King saw hookers, that is his own business. The FBI shouldn't release anything about his personal life, nor should they have gathered that kind of info in the first place.

King was part of a subversive communist movement. FBI has every right to investigate people who would seek to overthrow the republic and install a Marxist slave state....

Freedom of speech and conscience is one thing....to actively conspire against the nation is treason

AuH20

04-17-2009, 08:14 PM

If King saw hookers, that is his own business. The FBI shouldn't release anything about his personal life, nor should they have gathered that kind of info in the first place.

I wish it was just hookers.;)

Original_Intent

04-17-2009, 08:16 PM

This is absolutely shameless. :(

Andrew-Austin

04-17-2009, 08:19 PM

Original_Intent

04-17-2009, 08:22 PM

I thought the topic was the family making out like bandits, not yet another commentary MLK.

AuH20

04-17-2009, 08:23 PM

I thought the topic was the family making out like bandits, not yet another commentary MLK.

Jesse Jackson exploited King's death, so why do you expect better of the family?

max

04-17-2009, 08:35 PM

King might have been confused ideologically, but he wasn't for a "slave state", nor could his civil rights movement be considered subversive.

The FBI should investigate people who commit crimes, not political dissidents.

Where do you get this secret history of King anyways? I know he was against capitalism, but some Marxist writing his speeches?

Lots of stuff out there on King and Levinson...

google King and levinson, King and Communists, King and Highlander Folk School.....

read enough an i'm sure you'll be able to distinguish between whats true and whats not....

Remmbere, King is a creature of the same mass media that deified Obama and marginalized Ron Paul

Had it not been for his murder...King would have just been another Jesse Jackson

BlackTerrel

04-23-2009, 01:36 AM

I thought the topic was the family making out like bandits, not yet another commentary MLK.

Thanks... if I had known this would turn into MLK bashing I wouldn't have posted it.

Remmbere, King is a creature of the same mass media that deified Obama and marginalized Ron Paul

And the media that transformed a country where blacks couldn't even vote to one where a black man could be elected president. We've come a long way baby.

angelatc

04-23-2009, 05:46 AM

CUT Copywrite Laws

5 - 10 Years MAX

Simply terminate them with the death of the creator.

max

04-23-2009, 05:48 AM

And the media that transformed a country where blacks couldn't even vote to one where a black man could be elected president. We've come a long way baby.

hate to burst your bubble...but "the black man who became president" is merely a puppet. No great achievement there. The "powers that be" remain old white and jewish dudes from behind the scenes...not blacks.

So a black man can vote. Big deal. What good is it if 95% of black folk can BLINDLY vote for whoever their white media masters tell them to vote for. The way I see it, blacks have just been moved from the cotton plantation of dependent slavery to the socialist plantation of dependent slavery.

The only difference this time around is that whites will be stuck on the same plantation with ya. LOOKS LIKE WE ARE ALLMOVING BACKWARDS TO ME.

angelatc

04-23-2009, 05:50 AM

..Harry Johnson, president of the Martin Luther King Jr. National Memorial Project Foundation, said that the fees were not a burden...
It has raised $104 million of that so far, including $10 million from Congress.

$10 million from Congress? Uh, more like $10 million from tax money. So it *is* a burden, just not his burden.

BlackTerrel

04-23-2009, 09:14 AM

hate to burst your bubble...but "the black man who became president" is merely a puppet. No great achievement there. The "powers that be" remain old white and jewish dudes from behind the scenes...not blacks.

So a black man can vote. Big deal. What good is it if 95% of black folk can BLINDLY vote for whoever their white media masters tell them to vote for. The way I see it, blacks have just been moved from the cotton plantation of dependent slavery to the socialist plantation of dependent slavery.

The only difference this time around is that whites will be stuck on the same plantation with ya. LOOKS LIKE WE ARE ALLMOVING BACKWARDS TO ME.

Are you joking? My grandparents couldn't even drink from the same water fountain as your grandparents. My grandfather would get hung from a tree for looking at a white woman the wrong way. Maybe you're moving backwards, I'm not.

Bruno

04-23-2009, 09:17 AM

Are you joking? My grandparents couldn't even drink from the same water fountain as your grandparents. My grandfather would get hung from a tree for looking at a white woman the wrong way. Maybe you're moving backwards, I'm not.

+ 1

BlackTerrel

04-23-2009, 03:34 PM

Just to clarify I don't think everything's perfect but to say we're all slaves (or becoming slaves) is over the top and is disrespectful to all the people who really were slaves.

Do you know what it was like to be a slave? It means you were picking cotton 16 hours a day and sleeping in a barn. If you got out of hand or were caught reading a book you got whipped and if they caught you looking at a white woman they hung you from a tree. That's slavery. Maybe your life sucks but I guarantee you it's not as bad as what I described.

As for me my life is pretty good. I'm definitely not a slave, I'm free. I can go anywhere I want, do whatever I want and get any job I want (as long as I work hard and have the skills to do it). I can watch any movie I want or read any book I want or go to any website I want. This past weekend I went to Coachella and banged a really hot blonde chick.

Life isn't perfect. I think we're way overtaxed, I think government gets involved in things they shouldn't and spends their (our) money on a lot of stupid shit. I also think drugs should be legal. These are some of the reasons that I like Ron Paul (I also like that he's an honorable, humble, and honest person - which seems to be rare in DC).

Things could be better but to compare us to slaves is hyperbole and over the top. As a black person I owe a lot of that to people like MLK, government, and media. That's why I always perk up when I hear people bashing such institutions. I'm sure there are exceptions but whenever in the past I've heard people railing against government, "the MLK deception", or "the Jews in the media", it's almost always followed by an attach on blacks. At least from my personal experience.

Objectivist

04-23-2009, 03:38 PM

The better question is why is anyone profiting off Public Land? Did you get a check for your portion of the proceeds?

He Who Pawns

04-23-2009, 03:40 PM

That family is fucking shameless. Why don't they get jobs?

So Congress gave 10 million to the foundation, which in turn gives 800K to these bums? So I guess all of us just paid the King family for the right to erect a monument in their honor? What a disgrace.

Icymudpuppy

04-23-2009, 03:43 PM

BlackTerrel

04-25-2009, 05:57 PM

Hey BT.

My family may be white, but we were slaves too. Russian and East German Serfs under the Czars and the Kaisers.

Don't think only black people have been enslaved.

The difference is that my family doesn't whine about the slavery our grandparents endured over 100 years ago.

Well I would argue that whites in general aren't worse off today due to the legacy of slavery, blacks are. This also wasn't in the US.

But that's another discussion, that really wasn't my point. I was responding to someone who said that we are as bad off today as we were under slavery. I think that's idiotic. As I said things aren't perfect but to compare us to slaves is insulting to actual slaves.

torchbearer

04-25-2009, 06:01 PM

NOt being completely free is slavery.
You may want to argue degrees of slavery, but I think they are all equally bad.
Either give me total freedom or give me death.
A prison with no walls is still a prison...
And a master I can't see or point out is still a master.

We got Uncle Tom representing the federal plantation.

satchelmcqueen

04-25-2009, 08:33 PM

Just had this emailed to me. Shameless stuff from the man's family. Trying to profit off his legacy...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090417/ap_on_re_us/king_memorial

ha! correct me if im wrong, but thats all his family has ever done isnt it?

AutoDas

04-25-2009, 09:11 PM

Well I would argue that whites in general aren't worse off today due to the legacy of slavery, blacks are. This also wasn't in the US.

um does the gulag ring a bell? Fourteen million of Kulaks and and Serbians were enslaved by the USSR. Compare that to 600,000 to 650,000 that were actually transported to America while 9 million more went to Europe and blacks in America today seem by and large cry about slavery the most.

Brooklyn Red Leg

04-25-2009, 11:13 PM

It means you were picking cotton 16 hours a day and sleeping in a barn.

Uh, no it doesn't. Slavery in the South where Cotton was King was not 16 hours a day and then sleeping in a barn. A more brutal and often (sadly) overlooked slave trade was the North African/Barbary Slavers. Most of the slaves they grabbed ended up either oarsmen on a Galley or a worker in an iron mine. Both types lead incredibly short and brutal existences (usually no more than a year) before they were dead. Only the luckiest got to be house slaves. The Berbers were indiscrimate in their slave gatherings, not only Sub-Saharan Africans but also lots of white Europeans and even some Americans. And it went on for at least as long as the Atlantic Slave trade, circa 250+ years.

Now, before anyone gets their panties in a wad, I'm not saying the Atlantic Slave Trade was all sweetness & light. However, it was far less brutal than that of the North African trade. Also, if you really want to know something about the Southern Slaves, read about Mary Chestnut Boykin and the fact there were not only Black Slaves, but also Mulatto and White Slaves. Slavery was an 'inherited' caste from the mother and there were numerous children of the white slave masters and black and mulatto slave women. Despite the idiotic rantings of jackasses that don't know history, slavery in the US was not exclusively limited to blacks.

BlackTerrel

04-26-2009, 04:15 PM

NOt being completely free is slavery.
You may want to argue degrees of slavery, but I think they are all equally bad.

No they're not equally bad. My guess is your life is better than it would be if you were forced to pick cotton all day, sleep in a barn, and be hung from a tree if you looked at a white woman the wrong way - is your life that bad? What are you prevented from doing?

BlackTerrel

04-26-2009, 04:19 PM

um does the gulag ring a bell? Fourteen million of Kulaks and and Serbians were enslaved by the USSR. Compare that to 600,000 to 650,000 that were actually transported to America while 9 million more went to Europe and blacks in America today seem by and large cry about slavery the most.

Look I'm not going to get into an argument about this. Slavery is bad. End of. Doesn't matter the race of the slaves or the slave owners. My argument was with the poster who said that life is as bad now as it was under slavery. Hopefully you can agree with me that it's not.

nate895

04-26-2009, 04:24 PM

Look I'm not going to get into an argument about this. Slavery is bad. End of. Doesn't matter the race of the slaves or the slave owners. My argument was with the poster who said that life is as bad now as it was under slavery. Hopefully you can agree with me that it's not.

I don't. I say we are slaves today, but we sadly live under the delusion we are free. When the government can, and has exercised, through sheer force of arms, the power to tax some citizens at 90% of their total incomes, that is slavery. Most slave owners weren't even that bad with their slaves, but the mere threat of it still violates our rights.

BlackTerrel

04-27-2009, 05:48 PM

I don't. I say we are slaves today, but we sadly live under the delusion we are free. When the government can, and has exercised, through sheer force of arms, the power to tax some citizens at 90% of their total incomes, that is slavery.

Who is taxed at 90%? BTW I think we are way overtaxed and it sucks. But I don't think I'm a slave. For one - I can move to Canada. Slaves couldn't.

Most slave owners weren't even that bad with their slaves, but the mere threat of it still violates our rights.

I'm going to avoid getting annoyed here because I'm just getting tired of it. But seriously? "Most slave owners weren't even that bad with their slaves"? Come on dude...can we just acknowledge that being a slave is a miserable existence. I don't care if some slave owners were "nice to their slaves". They were still fucking slaves.

Freedom 4 all

04-27-2009, 08:39 PM

AuH20

04-27-2009, 09:23 PM

Just to clear things up, I'm pretty sure that all the bullshit about King being a Communist or racist agitator comes from a certain WELL KNOWN white supremacist run site. I'm not going to link to it, but I'm pretty sure most of us know what it is. It ends in .org.

Its not white supremacist bullshit. Hoover's FBI files on King are frozen for a long time for a reason. Like I said before, Malcolm X should have been the guy with the holiday instead of King.

max

04-27-2009, 09:33 PM

Proof of King's communist ties...

http://www.martinlutherking.org/commie-school.html

torchbearer

04-27-2009, 09:34 PM

No they're not equally bad. My guess is your life is better than it would be if you were forced to pick cotton all day, sleep in a barn, and be hung from a tree if you looked at a white woman the wrong way - is your life that bad? What are you prevented from doing?

they are equally bad in the same sense that dying by an accident and dying by murder is both equally death.
I am forced to work for others most of the days of my life. fuck that. I'm not your slave. Whether it be cotton or fixing computers. If I don't keep my pay, it is slavery.
Even then slaves were given everything they needed to live. Housing, food, religion.
Same as today. Not a lick of fucking difference.
If I don't get up tomorrow and don't go back to the federal plantation. I have nothing, not even food. And the moment I try to earn money to get what I need to survive, I'm back on the federal plantation. Not a lick of difference.
Money(FRNs) is Debt. Debt is slavery. Money(FRNs) is slavery.

AuH20

04-27-2009, 09:38 PM

X sounds like a conservative. Listen to him. Self-determination. He never wanted handouts and he deeply distrusted the state:

YouTube - MALCOLM X: My Political Philosophy is Black Nationalism (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ix2-m1gDX8s)

YouTube - MALCOLM X: If They Give it to You, They Can Take it Away (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfiOOm2MK-o)

YouTube - MALCOLM X: The Price of Freedom is Death (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2S3ShBexMs)

He was so ahead of his time. He's be embarrassed by the likes of Obama and the other hustlers.

BlackTerrel

04-28-2009, 12:13 AM

Its not white supremacist bullshit. Hoover's FBI files on King are frozen for a long time for a reason. Like I said before, Malcolm X should have been the guy with the holiday instead of King.

Look I didn't know MLK so everything we know is from second hand sources. At the end of the day does it really matter? Why would anyone, other than a racist spend time and resources trying to discredit MLK? For what purpose?

I see it the same way as I see holocaust denial. Did 6 million Jews die or 5 million? I don't know and it doesn't matter. The point is people were killed for their religion and it's wrong.

In the end, as much as they deny it, the anti-MLK or holocaust denial stuff is almost always linked to white supremacists.

BlackTerrel

04-28-2009, 12:14 AM

Proof of King's communist ties...

http://www.martinlutherking.org/commie-school.html

Dude you are either a jackass or simply ignorant of your source. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. That website is run by just about the most notorious white supremacist in the country.

idiom

04-28-2009, 12:19 AM

At least we are all free now to look at women the wrong way, whether they are black or white.

LATruth

04-28-2009, 02:15 AM

Just had this emailed to me. Shameless stuff from the man's family. Trying to profit off his legacy...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090417/ap_on_re_us/king_memorial

Shameless? God forbid they get money from the people that killed him, lets call it life insurance. I wish they would have gotten more, much more. Good for the King family.

And how dare TPTB erect a monument to the man they killed. Talk about fucking shady, underhanded bullshit. The irony in this thread runs deep.

Kludge

04-28-2009, 03:23 AM

If King saw hookers, that is his own business. The FBI shouldn't release anything about his personal life, nor should they have gathered that kind of info in the first place.

Of course...

Information gathered by the government regarding personal life cannot be released as it violates privacy.

However, the Media has a duty to release all information, and were the government to withhold it, it'd cause public outrage.

... As if the source of information has any impact on the committed deeds and Society's entitlement to the most "objective" news possible. It is the goal of historians to paint as accurate a picture of a person's life as possible. It is a great disservice (so much so that I consider it aggression) to future generations to withhold significant information gathered on such a significant person.

Ignorance is piss.

apropos

04-28-2009, 06:19 AM

At the end of the day does it really matter? Why would anyone, other than a racist spend time and resources trying to discredit MLK? For what purpose?

I don't know....some people are just interested in the truth, perhaps?

The plagiarism in his doctoral thesis, for example, was conclusively shown by a 1991 investigatory committee at Boston University. Interestingly, Boston U. did not feel plagiarism was enough to revoke his degree, even though it contradicted the honor code and all acceptable academic standards.

If we are to judge one by the content of his character, then this isn't a sterling example of his.

Freedom 4 all

04-28-2009, 09:16 AM

Proof of King's communist ties...

http://www.martinlutherking.org/commie-school.html

That by the way was EXACTLY the white supremacist site I was referring to.

max

04-28-2009, 09:20 AM

That by the way was EXACTLY the white supremacist site I was referring to.

So, if a white supremacist website says 2 + 2 = 4, does that make it false??? I fail to see your logic here.

All the dirt on King originally came from wiretaps, black undercover FBI agents, and even some of his close associates like Ralph Abernathy..The fact that a white racist website posted what is already known doesn't nullify its veracity.

White supremacists also oppose the income tax....does that mean Ron Paul is a bigot????

Facts are facts..."Reverend" King was a plagiarizing, communist degenerate who got his jollies from beating up white prostitutes during sex as he shouted..."I'm fucking for the Lord"

LATruth

04-28-2009, 09:38 AM

Facts are facts..."Reverend" King was a plagiarizing, communist degenerate who got his jollies from beating up white prostitutes during sex as he shouted..."I'm fucking for the Lord"

wow, I'm stunned. I still lol'd. :D

amonasro

04-28-2009, 10:53 AM

max

04-28-2009, 10:57 AM

Wow. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone, right? Those are strong words my friend...

I dont claim to be without sin....but trust me......my vices don't include passing myself off as a man of God while beating up prostitutes, cheating on my wife night and day, stealing the writings of others, and hanging around with Communist party members...

AuH20

04-28-2009, 01:52 PM

So, if a white supremacist website says 2 + 2 = 4, does that make it false??? I fail to see your logic here.

All the dirt on King originally came from wiretaps, black undercover FBI agents, and even some of his close associates like Ralph Abernathy..The fact that a white racist website posted what is already known doesn't nullify its veracity.

White supremacists also oppose the income tax....does that mean Ron Paul is a bigot????

Facts are facts..."Reverend" King was a plagiarizing, communist degenerate who got his jollies from beating up white prostitutes during sex as he shouted..."I'm fucking for the Lord"

You should stop. People don't like to see their falsely proclaimed icons torn down. ;):D

Freedom 4 all

04-28-2009, 02:48 PM

I dont claim to be without sin....but trust me......my vices don't include passing myself off as a man of God while beating up prostitutes, cheating on my wife night and day, stealing the writings of others, and hanging around with Communist party members...

...and can you find any proof of that that does not come from white supremacists? You see I can find a lot of non-Nazis who believe 2 + 2 is 4 and yet a surprising dirth of non-Nazis who believe King was a communist wife beater.

ChaosControl

04-28-2009, 02:54 PM

If you can't get the funds privately to provide a memorial, then the individual isn't worth memorializing. $10 million from the taxpayer for this is more offensive than the greedy sack of crap family members.

BlackTerrel

04-28-2009, 04:25 PM

I don't know....some people are just interested in the truth, perhaps?

Why? Why would anyone waste time and resources to try and defame a man who has been dead for a long time and stands as a beacon of hope for Americans of all races? What could possibly be gained by tearing this man down? I would question anyone who would considerable amount of time for these purposes.

BlackTerrel

04-28-2009, 04:27 PM

So, if a white supremacist website says 2 + 2 = 4, does that make it false??? I fail to see your logic here.

If you don't get why it's wrong to post a link to a white supremacist website on here then I don't even know what to say to you. It's not exactly a shock that a white supremacist website doesn't like MLK is it?

All the dirt on King originally came from wiretaps, black undercover FBI agents, and even some of his close associates like Ralph Abernathy..The fact that a white racist website posted what is already known doesn't nullify its veracity.

Great then. Couldn't you have found a non-white supremacist source to post instead?

White supremacists also oppose the income tax....does that mean Ron Paul is a bigot????

If you were making an argument against the income tax would you use David Duke as a source? I'd hope you wouldn't.

BlackTerrel

04-28-2009, 04:29 PM

apropos

04-28-2009, 05:37 PM

Great then. Couldn't you have found a non-white supremacist source to post instead?

I referenced Boston University and their findings on MLK's doctoral thesis. BU is hardly a white supremacist organization.

If we can say as a society that our founders were morally wrong for owning slaves and the like, I don't see why we can't observe that MLK also had moral failings. But we can't say that without committing thought crime. Why?

Revolution9

04-28-2009, 06:56 PM

Thanks... if I had known this would turn into MLK bashing I wouldn't have posted it.

And the media that transformed a country where blacks couldn't even vote to one where a black man could be elected president. We've come a long way baby.

No we ain't .. he ain't "black. There is no "change". He is a slave to banksters.. He is a thief forced to return 52 billion in guarantees to the Queen of England after the investigative reporter Christopher Story spread the news..making them unable to trade the same platforms the Carlyle boys and Kissinger and their ilk use for terror funding and money washing. He is even after the farms settlements monies and thinks those who rightfully deserve it do not and he knows better how to spend it.. Even the one trillion of Bush Crime family money disgorged in Brazil and set to fund IMF/White House progs doesn't belong to the people it was stolen from. Obama thinks his regime and the banksters know much better what to do with that money. It will be used to grease the NWO wheels. So..we had the DVD Black Nazi Continuum from 2000-2008 and now we got the world revolutionary troika in charge.. Yeah.. America has come a long way...downhill

HTH
Rev9

RSLudlum

04-28-2009, 07:57 PM

I have no problem with the family trying to profit off their ancestry privately, but not through confiscated property; taxes.

I say demolish all the statues in DC. There was a very good reason why presidents weren't struck on the money up until Lincoln appeared on the 1909 penny; the US isn't suppose to have a 'king'. If a monument/memorial is to be erected, it should be done privately on private property. Government celebrating the grandeur of itself is a fist in the face of freedom.

Liberty truely died when she stopped appearing on our money. Maybe she shouldn't anyway, since it is paper fiat, it would be an insult to Lady Liberty herself.

BlackTerrel

04-30-2009, 03:32 PM

Ron Paul "Martin Luther King Is My Hero"

YouTube - Ron Paul accused of racism by CNN's Wolf Blitzer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u39z38xjraw)

Dieseler

04-30-2009, 03:56 PM

Ron Paul "Martin Luther King Is My Hero"

YouTube - Ron Paul accused of racism by CNN's Wolf Blitzer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u39z38xjraw)

Yup, that was the first and only time I have ever seen Dr. Paul kiss someones ass.
I bet he wishes he could take it back but when you get ambushed by Wolf Blitzer on live TV its sort of hard to make a sound point.
What ya gonna do when the National media is trying to destroy you through any means?

Edit: A very bad attempt at damage control.

Imperial

04-30-2009, 04:24 PM

King was part of a subversive communist movement. FBI has every right to investigate people who would seek to overthrow the republic and install a Marxist slave state....

Freedom of speech and conscience is one thing....to actively conspire against the nation is treason

THE ENDS JUSTIFY THE MEANS!!! We must eliminate this threat, rather than fight the idea. Yes, if it threatens our system it must be destroyed- while ignoring the principle of repricipocrity. Of course, when we get the Patriot Act and DHS reports WE ARE IN A FRENZY. What's next, an endorsement of McCarthyism and the Red Scare of the 20s? Or how about the Haymarket Square fiasco which led to an anarchist witch hunt?

Why don't you cringe at it when people call somebody "subversive?" We are subversives after all, trying to undermine the status quo of statism. It is just like the word "reform" which is often actually negative in effect and is assumed to be positive. Subversive behavior can be positive just as reform can be negative.

You also made a two-choice fallacy- either we have a pure republic OR a Marxist slave state.

Just because somebody sympathizes with communists does not mean they are immoral. Communists have much in common with us in many respects, moreso than the current emphasis on pragmatism, consensus, and bipartisanship. I wonder if you would hate Gandhi too. He was a subversive, he sympathized with certain communist ideas...Maybe Thoreau too for that matter. After all, Thoreau thought Daniel Webster was the greatest senator, and he didn't line up with our views totally. Get past your intellectual and moral hubris. Just because somebody doesn't agree with you doesn't mean you are superior.

apropos

04-30-2009, 06:01 PM

I referenced Boston University and their findings on MLK's doctoral thesis. BU is hardly a white supremacist organization.

If we can say as a society that our founders were morally wrong for owning slaves and the like, I don't see why we can't observe that MLK also had moral failings. But we can't say that without committing thought crime. Why?

I would still be interested in hearing thoughts on my original question above.

Why is it we are encouraged to seek out and disparage people like Jefferson and Madison because of their moral and personal failings but when it comes to examining the carefully controlled official version of MLK we better just keep our mouths shut?

max

04-30-2009, 07:55 PM

What's next, an endorsement of McCarthyism and the Red Scare of the 20s? Or how about the Haymarket Square fiasco which led to an anarchist witch hunt?

Why don't you cringe at it when people call somebody "subversive?" We are subversives after all, trying to undermine the status quo of statism.
Get past your intellectual and moral hubris. Just because somebody doesn't agree with you doesn't mean you are superior.

You are drawing a moral equivalency between libertarians and communists/anarchists!...Are you kidding me?

A free society has every right to destroy and imprison those who would destroy us.

Libertarian "subversives", if left unchecked, would bring about peace and prosperity.

Marxist "subversives", if left unchecked, would bring about war, misery, perpetual debt, poverty, social strife, and slavery..

See the difference?

satchelmcqueen

04-30-2009, 08:16 PM

Ron Paul "Martin Luther King Is My Hero"

YouTube - Ron Paul accused of racism by CNN's Wolf Blitzer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u39z38xjraw)

at least paul had the guts to answer this accusation up front and not dance around the questions. one of my favorite clips. up front and honest in his words.

BlackTerrel

05-01-2009, 06:12 PM

Dieseler

05-01-2009, 08:04 PM

And you're saying that based on what? I prefer to take Ron Paul at his word. "Martin Luther King is my hero".

I believe him when he said he didn't write the newsletters but I was aghast when he said that MLK was a hero though.
Rosa Parks yeah.
MLK, Hell no.
He lost more than a few votes that day and I knew it was over when I heard him say it.
Piss poor damage control over an issue that could only really be an issue in an upside down world. Most of the stuff I read in those newsletters was true anyway so wtf.
Why must someone be called a racist just for pointing out the truth?
The race card works wonders.
You can get it in the new and improved POTUS industrial strength now.

BlackTerrel

05-02-2009, 04:07 PM

I believe him when he said he didn't write the newsletters but I was aghast when he said that MLK was a hero though.
Rosa Parks yeah.
MLK, Hell no.
He lost more than a few votes that day and I knew it was over when I heard him say it.

What votes did he lose? Who was going to vote for him and then decided not to based on the fact that he likes MLK. And again I say I take him at his word. He said it, and I believe him.

Piss poor damage control over an issue that could only really be an issue in an upside down world. Most of the stuff I read in those newsletters was true anyway so wtf.
Why must someone be called a racist just for pointing out the truth?

Well probably because the newsletters WERE racist. At least some of the commentary in them.

Andrew-Austin

05-02-2009, 04:08 PM

Stop bumping this thread, go make a post that isn't race related for once.

Dieseler

05-02-2009, 04:16 PM

Stop bumping this thread, go make a post that isn't race related for once.

Yeah, what he said you buckin' race faiter.

BlackTerrel

05-02-2009, 08:06 PM

Stop bumping this thread, go make a post that isn't race related for once.

Bump

idiom

05-03-2009, 01:49 AM

Yup, that was the first and only time I have ever seen Dr. Paul kiss someones ass.
I bet he wishes he could take it back but when you get ambushed by Wolf Blitzer on live TV its sort of hard to make a sound point.
What ya gonna do when the National media is trying to destroy you through any means?

Edit: A very bad attempt at damage control.

MLK got things done through reason and non-violence. In a time when people were giving up hope he kept them from going for their guns and brought a lot of correction to the country.

Ron Paul knows that a lot of people, even around here, think that Civil war or a secession of some kind holds the only real solution. He is maintaining hope and co-ordination of a peaceful change to the system.

Dieseler

05-03-2009, 08:41 AM

MLK got things done through reason and non-violence. In a time when people were giving up hope he kept them from going for their guns and brought a lot of correction to the country.

Ron Paul knows that a lot of people, even around here, think that Civil war or a secession of some kind holds the only real solution. He is maintaining hope and co-ordination of a peaceful change to the system.

MLK was a terrorist.
He terrorized the countryside wherever he went with his merry band, pissing and shitting all over everything in sight.
He made things worse, not better.
Anything he caused would of happened anyway as things were already changing dramatically with race relations among regular people, Black and White.
I remember the stories told by my Grandparents.
These were not good times for Whites or Blacks in Alabama.
Fear prevailed.
Believe the MSM propaganda all you want.
MLK was a terrorist to common citizens, both Black and White who had nothing to do with the laws on the books.

Now look where we are today.

We have a Black City Councilman for Auburn Alabama traipsing into a cemetery for Confederate soldiers, desecrating graves by removing flags placed there by there ancestors for the celebration of Confederate Memorial Day, which is a State holiday in Alabama.
There is a law already on the books covering this crime of desecrating graves or stealing from the dead...
Is it not a hate crime what Arthur Dowdell has done?

Of course its not, because he's fucking Black.

He then calls himself a Civil Rights Leader as he poses for the cameras.
He can do whatever he wants just short of murder.

Whats wrong with this picture?

Let a white man do some shit like that to MLK's grave and watch what happens. All of Hell will come down upon him if he were to even suggest doing such a thing much less actually do it.

Hate crime laws are the story of the day, not Hate crimes.
The Race card trumps all others.
No sense makes sense.

Whats next?
Public Executions?

People are beginning to tire of this stupid double standard.
People are beginning to see it for what it is.
Some of those people are using it to their advantage at every opportunity and others are becoming increasingly angered by it.

Now I suppose I am guilty of a hate crime as I have given my opinion of Communist Agitator MLK.
Whatever.
Fuck him.
Its sad enough that American citizens have been forcefully indoctrinated to worship a communist in itself without even going into the terrorist acts that communist caused all around him.

Oh, and by the way,
Ron is from Penn State.
He don't know shit about it anyway.