"Am I being detained?" DHS Checkpoint Blog Entry 14: Obedience Training

[purplechoe]

YouTube - DHS Checkpoint Blog Entry 14: Obedience Training (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDLlEh0x2XA)

"Am I being detained officer?" :cool: priceless

[newbitech]

what the fuck is this shit, god damn i hate fucking dhs

mother fuckers

have a nice life, you fuck

[strapko]

Haha this mad me laugh so hard. Am I being detained Am I free to go officer

[He Who Pawns]

this guy is a national hero.

[MyLibertyStuff]

I love this. I would like to see more stuff like this if you have it.

[purplechoe]

this is the pastor whose video I posted earlier "Wake up America" doing the same thing a few months earlier.

YouTube - Abusive Border Patrol Agents w/ Nun Chucks at NM Checkpoint (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFS7oZtE8Ks)

[BuddyRey]

this guy is a national hero.

qft!

[Athan]

Seems like the supervisor knows the law and the field agents do not.

[newbitech]

Seems like the supervisor knows the law and the field agents do not.

no the supervisor is the PR guy.

All corps run the same way, including the cops. this is how corp america is run. ask a question that shatters the policy and procedure and the morons have no fucking clue what to do. damn the law damn the responsibilities of the office, if it doesn't fit procedure the immediate response is to send the "subject" into escalation mode which includes a quasi arrest detainment that breaks constitutional law.

The only reason ONLY reason the supervisor gets it right is because he is allowed to use an ounce of judgment based on those god damned profiles. I can guarantee if this guy "looked threatening" this incident would have went to the next level, and the next, and next, until every single douchbag up to the president was satisfied that the man in the car was no threat based on some idiot profile.

[Time for Change]

This guy is an idiot.
He instantly assumes the role of antagonist because he was asked if he was a US citizen?
That is a little extreme if you ask me.
You cannot jump immediately into "Am I free to go" especially after never simply stating that "yes I am an american citizen"

Knowing your rights and being an asshole are not this close together, this guy is just being an asshole.

Everyone seems to be pissed about immigration, but when it comes to checking for illegals the guys trying to enforce the law are screwed with?
Come on...this is not right.
You cannot have it both ways here.
You either have agents looking for illegals or you don't.
It is not unconstitutional to answer a simple fucking question like this and show proof of residency.

[acptulsa]

It is not unconstitutional to answer a simple f*** question like this and show proof of residency.

It isn't unconstitutional to show or answer anything. It isn't unconstitutional to be asked a question. It is unconstitutional to be forced to show i.d. just because you're walking down the street, or to be detained without probable cause.

Check out Lawson v. Kolender.

I don't want to live in a totalitarian state.

[GBurr]

This guy is an idiot.
He instantly assumes the role of antagonist because he was asked if he was a US citizen?
That is a little extreme if you ask me.
You cannot jump immediately into "Am I free to go" especially after never simply stating that "yes I am an american citizen"

Knowing your rights and being an asshole are not this close together, this guy is just being an asshole.

Everyone seems to be pissed about immigration, but when it comes to checking for illegals the guys trying to enforce the law are screwed with?
Come on...this is not right.
You cannot have it both ways here.
You either have agents looking for illegals or you don't.
It is not unconstitutional to answer a simple fucking question like this and show proof of residency.


These are not border checkpoints. These are suspicion less checkpoints located 40 miles north of the border on a road that never intersects the border. The officers stop the vehicles and run a dog around the vehicle while they ask "Are you an American Citizen".

Check the 4th amendment. Suspicion less stops are illegal. The officers must have a warrant. The only time that they don't need a warrant is when they have reasonable suspicion that you have committed a crime or that you are in the process of committing a crime. These officers have no suspicion.



You either have agents looking for illegals or you don't.
It is not unconstitutional to answer a simple fucking question like this and show proof of residency.

He can ask whatever he wants. You do not have to answer. The stop is an illegal seizure. Illegal seizure is the equivalent of kidnapping.

This guy responds just like any patriot should. If you give them an inch they will take a mile. Next you'll have cops going door to door to conduct searches for illegals.

[acptulsa]

We violate the Fourth Amendment rights of American citizens in the search for illegal immigrants, and then we provide them with food stamps, emergency room services, and mortgages. So, what's our real motivation here?

[RohanT]

Officers are nothing more than pawns. They do as they are told from higher ups.

If I feel the need to act like a jackass, I'll ask for the supervisor and tell him off.

[angelatc]

Haha this mad me laugh so hard. Am I being detained Am I free to go officer

It isn't funny. It made me cry.

When I was a kid in school, we used to learn about the evils of communism and socialism. Stories about checkpoints and roadblocks were used as teaching instruments as why those things were bad.

They think I forgot what it was like to be able to drive down the street and not need to produce my papers?

[angelatc]

It is not unconstitutional to answer a simple fucking question like this and show proof of residency.

Incrementalism is how we lost all the rights we've lost so far. Wake the fuck up.

[ProBlue33]

I am all for the law of the constitution and all it's rights, but if the border patrol asks a obviously white guy who has no accent if he is an American Citizen, don't you think if he just says, "yes" the border patrol guard will just send him on his way?

I was just trying to put myself in the border guards boots who is just trying to do his job.

The cops & border patrol have way to much power and it does get abused that much is sure.

But people need to be reasonable, the checkpoints are there to stop illegals that's there function, it is an aggravated invasion of our right's for sure. But they are trying to stop a serious problem in the southern states.

So do you think the importance of the inconvenience of a stop should be eliminated, just let the illegals have free reign then. To me it's a bit of a catch 22.

The example's are very much polar opposites, the beating and Tazzering of an American Citizen verses just saying "Yes" to a simple question and then to be sent on your way. It's not the same, not even close

[Mortikhi]

I am all for the law of the constitution and all it's rights, but if the border patrol asks a obviously white guy who has no accent if he is an American Citizen, don't you think if he just says, "yes" the border patrol guard will just send him on his way?

I was just trying to put myself in the border guards boots who is just trying to do his job.

The cops & border patrol have way to much power and it does get abused that much is sure.

But people need to be reasonable, the checkpoints are there to stop illegals that's there function, it is an aggravated invasion of our right's for sure. But they are trying to stop a serious problem in the southern states.

So do you think the importance of the inconvenience of a stop should be eliminated, just let the illegals have free reign then. To me it's a bit of a catch 22.

The example's are very much polar opposites, the beating and Tazzering of an American Citizen verses just saying "Yes" to a simple question and then to be sent on your way. It's not the same, not even close

So do you think the importance of the inconvenience of a stop on a sidewalk should be eliminated, just let the criminals have free reign then.

So do you think the importance of the inconvenience of a stop in a mall should be eliminated, just let the possible shoplifters have free reign then.

Where does it stop?

think man!

[mport1]

This dude is the best. Make sure to check out his website - https://www.checkpointusa.org/

[angelatc]

I am all for the law of the constitution and all it's rights, but if the border patrol asks a obviously white guy who has no accent if he is an American Citizen, don't you think if he just says, "yes" the border patrol guard will just send him on his way?

You really think they have any interest in enforcing the borders against immigrants?

Wake the fuck up.

[ProBlue33]

So do you think the importance of the inconvenience of a stop on a sidewalk should be eliminated, just let the criminals have free reign then.

So do you think the importance of the inconvenience of a stop in a mall should be eliminated, just let the possible shoplifters have free reign then.

Where does it stop?

think man!

I get it, freedom and liberty are effected because of other people's screw ups, laws are always made because of that. It is one of the great problems that faces a free society. Self-regulation with no laws, verses governance with laws, yes you have way more liberty, but it would interesting to see if such a society could produce consistency, in law in order without favoritism or prejudice.

Like Ron Paul always says with freedom you take the good with the bad, and you have to put up with more nonsense, because freedom and liberty allows it.

[angelatc]

I get it, freedom and liberty are effected because of other people's screw ups, laws are always made because of that. It is one of the great problems that faces a free society. Self-regulation with no laws, verses governance with laws, yes you have way more liberty, but it would interesting to see if such a society could produce consistency, in law in order without favoritism or prejudice.

Like Ron Paul always says with freedom you take the good with the bad, and you have to put up with more nonsense, because freedom and liberty allows it.

NOw you're moving from the specific to the abstract. This country made it just fine for almost 250 years without the need to interrogate random pedestrians.

[agitator]

This guy is an idiot.


Look in the mirror.

[Time for Change]

Look in the mirror.

Uh...what?
Why?
For expressing my opinion?

I believe your name says it all.

Trolling is not appropriate on this site.

[Revolution0918]

does this work with DUI checkpoints also?

[ItsTime]

does this work with DUI checkpoints also?

Sure why not? Your civil rights are your civil rights.*


*This is not legal advice and should not be followed.

[Revolution0918]

i mean, the same premise would follow wouldnt it? They have no right to stop you at all so you can just ask to leave rite?

[He Who Pawns]

well they could claim that if you're driving on a street full of bars on new year's eve that they have "probable cause" i suppose.

[Revolution0918]

And if the same guy that does all these videos is the same 1 that got his ass beat, y doesnt he have a video of that?

[He Who Pawns]

it's a different guy.

BTW, i would really like to try this myself at a checkpoint, but it seems like every time i hit one, i've got some weed or something in the car. :)

[Revolution0918]

lol....and if they posted up on a street with bars, it would b entrapment

[Reason]

In reference to the drug dog question

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=2010326&postcount=14

[angelatc]

i mean, the same premise would follow wouldnt it? They have no right to stop you at all so you can just ask to leave rite?

I don't think so. The SCOTUS has ruled that DUI checkpoints are permissible even though they violate our constitutional rights. Their words.

[ProBlue33]

I've been stopped by the is police numerous time for no probable cause. These are the simple questions they asked me different stops and issues.

"Just doing a seat belt check" Move along

"Have you had anything to drink tonight?"

As to which 3 times I answered no, and once yes with an explanation
"4 hours ago 1/2 a glass of wine with a meal" (which was the truth)
His response "that's fine move along"

I have never had any problems with the police, I treat them like I would treat the border guards.

Actually I have more of an issue with airport security, when they say your on the list for a more intense search, for no other reason, and everybody is looking at you like your some sort of problem. That's what I would really like to say no to, and make an issue of, but I know if I do that, I won't be flying that day.
I find that to be a way more intrusive violation of my personal rights than a police check stop. Not to mention the times I had take off my belt and open my pant button in front of everybody, I really hated that, by pants almost fell down:o

[Zera]

I feel proud of this guy and what he stands up for.

But if it was me, I'd just show ID and leave. I honestly don't feel like wasting my time for these small things, especially if it can escalate.

[silverhandorder]

This is not going to stop any illegals or drug dealers. Waste of government money. Infringement on our liberties.

[JK/SEA]

Wouldn't it be easier to just go door to door and ask if we are an American citizen?

[UtahApocalypse]

I feel proud of this guy and what he stands up for.

But if it was me, I'd just show ID and leave. I honestly don't feel like wasting my time for these small things, especially if it can escalate.

So you rather wait until it escalates to "papers please!"

[puppetmaster]

Great job! knowledge is king. Just choose your battles carefully

[sratiug]

I am all for the law of the constitution and all it's rights, but if the border patrol asks a obviously white guy who has no accent if he is an American Citizen, don't you think if he just says, "yes" the border patrol guard will just send him on his way?

I was just trying to put myself in the border guards boots who is just trying to do his job.

The cops & border patrol have way to much power and it does get abused that much is sure.

But people need to be reasonable, the checkpoints are there to stop illegals that's there function, it is an aggravated invasion of our right's for sure. But they are trying to stop a serious problem in the southern states.

So do you think the importance of the inconvenience of a stop should be eliminated, just let the illegals have free reign then. To me it's a bit of a catch 22.

The example's are very much polar opposites, the beating and Tazzering of an American Citizen verses just saying "Yes" to a simple question and then to be sent on your way. It's not the same, not even close

The Southwest US was Spanish before it was American, so being white would be no reason, imo, for being less suspicious than being hispanic. What the hell is the point of stopping people miles from the border while letting multiple lane interstates drive right into the US from Mexico without stopping?

[AggieforPaul]

I don't think this really helps our movement. This guy was just looking to pick a fight.

[0zzy]

I don't think this really helps our movement. This guy was just looking to pick a fight.

There is a video (I think on his YouTube) that shows him at his church proclaiming "OBAMA IS THE DEVIL!" and someone was arguing with him and he got mad at him and told him to leave and...ya, kinda radical anti-abortionist. I hate using the term radical but, ya...

and Jews are the antichrist? something like that. which, i guess...isn't, untruthful? They are not Christ, and they don't practice his teachings, so...in a sense, sure... i guess they are.

but ya. ima shut up now.

[purplechoe]

bump

[libertarian4321]

But people need to be reasonable, the checkpoints are there to stop illegals that's there function, it is an aggravated invasion of our right's for sure. But they are trying to stop a serious problem in the southern states.



Illegals are nowhere near as big a problem as losing our freedom.

I'd rather live free and have to deal with "illegals" than live in a police state free of "illegals."

BTW, these clowns are fishing for far more than "illegals"- if you watch some of the other videos that guy has on Youtube, you will see that they frequently bring out the drug dogs, too. They have check points at all the border crossings. Why the heck do they need a "border patrol" checkpoint 40 miles inland, on an EAST WEST (Mexico is south) road that never goes near the border?

[Objectivist]

I have to ask if Agent Soto is a US Citizen?He doesn't sound like one.

Then my mother wasn't a "Citizen" for a number of years so what would they do to her? She's a citizen now and she has always been here lawfully.

I love this guy, I hope he makes a great documentary on this bullshit!

[satchelmcqueen]

lol. good stuff. the 27 minute one was worth watching just for the abrupt ending.

[eduardo89]

I have to ask if Agent Soto is a US Citizen?He doesn't sound like one.



Yeah it seems about half the DHS agents aren't even american...

[Theocrat]

This guy is an idiot.
He instantly assumes the role of antagonist because he was asked if he was a US citizen?
That is a little extreme if you ask me.
You cannot jump immediately into "Am I free to go" especially after never simply stating that "yes I am an american citizen"

Knowing your rights and being an asshole are not this close together, this guy is just being an asshole.

Everyone seems to be pissed about immigration, but when it comes to checking for illegals the guys trying to enforce the law are screwed with?
Come on...this is not right.
You cannot have it both ways here.
You either have agents looking for illegals or you don't.
It is not unconstitutional to answer a simple fucking question like this and show proof of residency.

After watching the video, I have to agree with what I've quoted above. All the driver had to do was just answer a simple question, but he chose to make things difficult by challenging the border patrols. If he wanted to be such a "freedom fighter," why didn't he just drive off after the border patrol stopped him, instead of just asking the same questions over and over again? It was annoying.

[roho76]

I have to ask if Agent Soto is a US Citizen?He doesn't sound like one.

Then my mother wasn't a "Citizen" for a number of years so what would they do to her? She's a citizen now and she has always been here lawfully.

I love this guy, I hope he makes a great documentary on this bullshit!

Of all the videos I have watched about these border stops one thing has caught my attention. The fact that most of the agents watching the southern border are of Hispanic origins and they are trying to stop Hispanics from entering the US illegally. Now I am not spewing racist filth here just making an observation. Where is their loyalty? Why should I trust that they are not harassing me while letting their buddies in? I would also be just as skeptical of an 80% majority of middle eastern airport screeners, pilots, and flight attendants. It's to much of a majority to be coincidence IMHO. Especially with all the pro amnesty bullshit that is going on in this country.

[satchelmcqueen]

After watching the video, I have to agree with what I've quoted above. All the driver had to do was just answer a simple question, but he chose to make things difficult by challenging the border patrols. If he wanted to be such a "freedom fighter," why didn't he just drive off after the border patrol stopped him, instead of just asking the same questions over and over again? It was annoying.

yeah its annoying, but his point is, that they really cant do much to you. :cool:

[UtahApocalypse]

After watching the video, I have to agree with what I've quoted above. All the driver had to do was just answer a simple question, but he chose to make things difficult by challenging the border patrols. If he wanted to be such a "freedom fighter," why didn't he just drive off after the border patrol stopped him, instead of just asking the same questions over and over again? It was annoying.

So you would rather give up your rights slowly answering ONE question now, and presenting papers later?

[reduen]

Agent Soto was a great guy here. I think that he did a very good job. Why not just say yes I am a United States Citizen and be done with it...?

[Theocrat]

So you would rather give up your rights slowly answering ONE question now, and presenting papers later?

To me, that seems to be arguing on a slippery slope to suggest we'll have to "present our papers" later just by answering a simple question to the authorities right now. I see no harm in the guy responding "Yes" to an easy question about his U.S. citizenship. We do that every time we apply for employment somewhere.

I know many people on here are "trigger happy" to start a revolution by any means possible, but making a big deal out of simple questions is not how you do it, in my opinion. If the border patrol asked him where he was going, then I suppose that would be grounds for silence because the officer doesn't have a "need to know" about those specifics. However, a general question about one's citizenship is hardly a breach of personal rights.

[Danke]

I think on random stops inside the boarders they should also have to answer questions about their sexual preferences. And Internet activities.

[Ozwest]

I think on random stops inside the boarders they should also have to answer questions about their sexual preferences. And Internet activities.

You are an idiot.

[mello]

If I get stopped at one of these checkpoints, under the law do I have to show my I.D. to
the cop that asks for it? At first I thought that was a yes but someone posting in a
different thread mentioning that a cop needs the suspicion that you violated a law or
committed a crime in order to ask for your I.D.

Instead of a random car checkpoint, say I was walking down the sidewalk minding my
own business & a cop walks up to me and asks for my identification. What can I say to
him that protects me legally for saying no?

[Danke]

You are an idiot.

You're terrorist. obviously. Either you are with us or you are against us. Being from OZ, we know where you stand.

[Danke]

If I get stopped at one of these checkpoints, under the law do I have to show my I.D. to
the cop that asks for it? At first I thought that was a yes but someone posting in a
different thread mentioning that a cop needs the suspicion that you violated a law or
committed a crime in order to ask for your I.D.

Instead of a random car checkpoint, say I was walking down the sidewalk minding my
own business & a cop walks up to me and asks for my identification. What can I say to
him that protects me legally for saying no?

You do not have to produce any form of ID. Just give them your name.

[Ozwest]

You're terrorist. obviously. Either you are with us or you are against us. Being from OZ, we know where you stand.

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