nayjevin
04-16-2009, 03:12 PM
How do you have a truly fair vote?
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As close as I can come is:
- Each resident on any given street gathers in a central location.
- Each person, one at a time, moves to the front of the room and drops his or her marble in the jar of a favorite candidate. that marble has the voter's identification on it, and each voter is responsible to provide their own marble(more on this later)
- the jars are hidden from those who have not yet voted, but after voting the voter can see the jars. the jars could be opaque, but after voting, a set of glasses that can see through the opacity could be provided so that those who have already voted are the only ones able to oversee future votes (or some other suitable method wherein voter is not influenced by previous votes)
- Perhaps one person randomly drawn from a hat from another street can oversee the first vote.
- when all have voted, a naked person who does not have any sleight of hand abilities pulls out the marbles one at a time to verify one person = one vote
- results are reported to a neighborhood committee and published in media outlets for verification. neighborhood results are reported to state committee and published, etc
* Problems *
- One must have a name to do this. :eek: This in and of itself is a labeling of the individual for identification purposes = loss of liberty. one should be able to do whatever is wanted with his or her name, change it at will, or have none at all.
- a person could go to the street next to them and claim they live there and vote again. :eek: again, there is no stopping this without identifying individuals = loss of liberty. Even worse, people sometimes have the same names, so perhaps numbers would have to be used :eek::eek:
- the jars cost money, the marbles cost money. one might not be able to afford their own marble. in this case, some might be gifted marbles for political interests, whereas others might not be able to come up with one based strictly on their resources / connections.
* potential solutions *
- tax folks for the purpose of supplying the marbles and jars :eek:
- ask for donations to fund purchase of enough marbles and jars <-- what if the money just isn't there?
- have a different identification number for each person, but discard it after every election. :cool: not bad.
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Ultimately, I see no way to have a fair vote without compromising individual liberty to some extent.
Thoughts?
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As close as I can come is:
- Each resident on any given street gathers in a central location.
- Each person, one at a time, moves to the front of the room and drops his or her marble in the jar of a favorite candidate. that marble has the voter's identification on it, and each voter is responsible to provide their own marble(more on this later)
- the jars are hidden from those who have not yet voted, but after voting the voter can see the jars. the jars could be opaque, but after voting, a set of glasses that can see through the opacity could be provided so that those who have already voted are the only ones able to oversee future votes (or some other suitable method wherein voter is not influenced by previous votes)
- Perhaps one person randomly drawn from a hat from another street can oversee the first vote.
- when all have voted, a naked person who does not have any sleight of hand abilities pulls out the marbles one at a time to verify one person = one vote
- results are reported to a neighborhood committee and published in media outlets for verification. neighborhood results are reported to state committee and published, etc
* Problems *
- One must have a name to do this. :eek: This in and of itself is a labeling of the individual for identification purposes = loss of liberty. one should be able to do whatever is wanted with his or her name, change it at will, or have none at all.
- a person could go to the street next to them and claim they live there and vote again. :eek: again, there is no stopping this without identifying individuals = loss of liberty. Even worse, people sometimes have the same names, so perhaps numbers would have to be used :eek::eek:
- the jars cost money, the marbles cost money. one might not be able to afford their own marble. in this case, some might be gifted marbles for political interests, whereas others might not be able to come up with one based strictly on their resources / connections.
* potential solutions *
- tax folks for the purpose of supplying the marbles and jars :eek:
- ask for donations to fund purchase of enough marbles and jars <-- what if the money just isn't there?
- have a different identification number for each person, but discard it after every election. :cool: not bad.
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Ultimately, I see no way to have a fair vote without compromising individual liberty to some extent.
Thoughts?