What Part of Propaganda Don't You Understand

[pcosmar]

What is wrong with folks? Has critical thinking gone away? Have we been infiltrated to the point that we are outnumbered?
The forum is filled with Love Fests for our enemies.
People have forgotten who the media is working for.

Take the time to watch. Then research For Yourself.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6632255652046262625&ei=NEXnSc29B5Cu-QGAiOjBAw&q=CFR+media&hl=en

For those that miss the concept,
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Propaganda

Propaganda is a specific type of message presentation, aimed at serving an agenda. Even if the message conveys true information, it may be partisan and fail to paint a complete picture. The book Propaganda And Persuasion defines propaganda as "the deliberate, systematic attempt to shape perceptions, manipulate cognitions, and direct behavior to achieve a response that furthers the desired intent of the propagandist."

Read through the page. You will see what is going on.
The MSM is not our friend, Never have been , never will be. :mad:

[AuH20]

Thats exactly why the MSM has summarily dismissed the protests.

[slacker921]

also read this (http://warofillusions.wordpress.com/2009/01/16/techniques-for-dilution-misdirection-and-control-of-a-internet-forum/).. it's not just the MSM..

[pcosmar]

also read this (http://warofillusions.wordpress.com/2009/01/16/techniques-for-dilution-misdirection-and-control-of-a-internet-forum/).. it's not just the MSM..

Yup.
Have seen that here. I have to keep telling myself, There are no trolls, There are no trolls, There are no trolls, There are no trolls.
but generally I hunt them and wait for them to reveal themselves. ;)

[Cowlesy]

Kind of like the NYC tea party with the retarded chants (at one point, FOX NEWS! FOX NEWS!), some people you can just never reach. And the messages were pure propaganda. I heard "Strong Foreign Policy" 2x, "We demand our rights back from government".

Sheep speaking to sheep.

There were friends of liberty in the audience. One can separate the wheat from the chaff pretty easily.

[Conza88]

Correctomundo!

What you will now see from the Media (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=177088)

[angelatc]

The MSM is not our friend, Never have been , never will be. :mad:

Libertarians never have any friends.

[pcosmar]

Sheep speaking to sheep.

There were friends of liberty in the audience. One can separate the wheat from the chaff pretty easily.

From the coverage I have seen any that have solid views, the interview is on the cutting room floor, while some stuttering idiot is paraded before the camera.
There is obvious spin from all outlets.

[AuH20]

Kind of like the NYC tea party with the retarded chants (at one point, FOX NEWS! FOX NEWS!), some people you can just never reach. And the messages were pure propaganda. I heard "Strong Foreign Policy" 2x, "We demand our rights back from government".

Sheep speaking to sheep.

There were friends of liberty in the audience. One can separate the wheat from the chaff pretty easily.

NYC tea party wasn't too bad overall. Of all the speakers, there was that one neocon speaker who kept screaming about victory abroad.

[Cowlesy]

NYC tea party wasn't too bad overall. Of all the speakers, there was that one neocon speaker who kept screaming about victory abroad.

Yeah, the "Less Taxes, Please" sign was almost too much for me.

Also someone had an upside down American flag up for a while, and then it mysteriously went away.

[Deborah K]

What is wrong with folks? Has critical thinking gone away? Have we been infiltrated to the point that we are outnumbered?
The forum is filled with Love Fests for our enemies.
People have forgotten who the media is working for.

Take the time to watch. Then research For Yourself.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6632255652046262625&ei=NEXnSc29B5Cu-QGAiOjBAw&q=CFR+media&hl=en

For those that miss the concept,
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Propaganda


Read through the page. You will see what is going on.
The MSM is not our friend, Never have been , never will be. :mad:

Some of us just don't see it the way you do. That doesn't make us trolls. :rolleyes:

[Deborah K]

Pocsmar, if you don't like what's going on with the media, instead of regarding them as the enemy, why don't you take measures to gain back control of them.

[angelatc]

Some of us just don't see it the way you do. That doesn't make us trolls. :rolleyes:

There comes a point where you have to do what you do and not worry about what people will say about it or now they twist it.

Stayong home because the media is going to mock us doesn't make sense to me.

[pcosmar]

Pocsmar, if you don't like what's going on with the media, instead of regarding them as the enemy, why don't you take measures to gain back control of them.

Perhaps if I had the Millions to purchase infrastructure and the ability to purchase the FCC regulators I could have a chance of providing an alternative.
As it is I will continue to educate those that I can. I will search for the truth through alternative sources.
I will help to prepare the resistance by whatever means present themselves. I will preach to the remnant. ;)

[Deborah K]

There comes a point where you have to do what you do and not worry about what people will say about it or now they twist it.

Stayong home because the media is going to mock us doesn't make sense to me.

Nor me. I saw it as a perfect opportunity to spread the message of freedom. I don't think the media haters are thinking strategically enough. Ron Paul uses the media to his advantage. We should be doing the same. We should be infiltrating, boycotting stations and advertisers, mass emailing, calling - holding them accountable. There is a lot we can do.

I don't know about you, but I don't think relying on forums and blogs is the best way to get the news. Anyway, where do you think they get their news from? We need the MSM for information. And if we don't like their agenda, then we need to do something about it. Ignoring the problem, and just pissing and moaning isn't gonna accomplish anything.

[Deborah K]

Perhaps if I had the Millions to purchase infrastructure and the ability to purchase the FCC regulators I could have a chance of providing an alternative.
As it is I will continue to educate those that I can. I will search for the truth through alternative sources.
I will help to prepare the resistance by whatever means present themselves. I will preach to the remnant. ;)

My previous post speaks to this:


Nor me. I saw it as a perfect opportunity to spread the message of freedom. I don't think the media haters are thinking strategically enough. Ron Paul uses the media to his advantage. We should be doing the same. We should be infiltrating, boycotting stations and advertisers, mass emailing, calling - holding them accountable. There is a lot we can do.

I don't know about you, but I don't think relying on forums and blogs is the best way to get the news. Anyway, where do you think they get their news from? We need the MSM for information. And if we don't like their agenda, then we need to do something about it. Ignoring the problem, and just pissing and moaning isn't gonna accomplish anything.

[donnay]

Nor me. I saw it as a perfect opportunity to spread the message of freedom. I don't think the media haters are thinking strategically enough. Ron Paul uses the media to his advantage. We should be doing the same. We should be infiltrating, boycotting stations and advertisers, mass emailing, calling - holding them accountable. There is a lot we can do.

I don't know about you, but I don't think relying on forums and blogs is the best way to get the news. Anyway, where do you think they get their news from? We need the MSM for information. And if we don't like their agenda, then we need to do something about it. Ignoring the problem, and just pissing and moaning isn't gonna accomplish anything.


I would just like to point out that Ron Paul didn't have the media when he was running for President. Ron Paul has been a congressmen for a very long time and it wasn't until after the Presidential Race was he getting air time.

You need to understand how controlled the media really is. You need to research Operation Mockingbird (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird) to understand the underlying agenda. Pcosmar is right because I believe he understands what we are up against. The media is not our friend--they have been infiltrated just like the Tea Parties right NOW by the GOP (Neocons) to continue the false left/right paradigm. That's why so many of us have turn to alternative media and certain international sources, anymore.

Here is more information about media infiltration:

http://www.geocities.com/cpa_blacktown/20000318mediaoverb.htm
http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/MOCK/mockingbird.html
http://nationalexpositor.com/News/215.html

[Deborah K]

I would just like to point out that Ron Paul didn't have the media when he was running for President. Ron Paul has been a congressmen for a very long time and it wasn't until after the Presidential Race was he getting air time.

You need to understand how controlled the media really is. You need to research Operation Mockingbird (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird) to understand the underlying agenda. Pcosmar is right because I believe he understands what we are up against. The media is not our friend--they have been infiltrated just like the Tea Parties right NOW by the GOP (Neocons) to continue the false left/right paradigm. That's why so many of us have turn to alternative media and certain international sources, anymore.

Here is more information about media infiltration:

http://www.geocities.com/cpa_blacktown/20000318mediaoverb.htm
http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/MOCK/mockingbird.html
http://nationalexpositor.com/News/215.html


Okay, but I'm not sure how that changes anything I've said. If the media is this evil entity that you proclaim, then what do you propose to do about it?

[AuH20]

I would just like to point out that Ron Paul didn't have the media when he was running for President. Ron Paul has been a congressmen for a very long time and it wasn't until after the Presidential Race was he getting air time.

You need to understand how controlled the media really is. You need to research Operation Mockingbird (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird) to understand the underlying agenda. Pcosmar is right because I believe he understands what we are up against. The media is not our friend--they have been infiltrated just like the Tea Parties right NOW by the GOP (Neocons) to continue the false left/right paradigm. That's why so many of us have turn to alternative media and certain international sources, anymore.

Here is more information about media infiltration:

http://www.geocities.com/cpa_blacktown/20000318mediaoverb.htm
http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/MOCK/mockingbird.html
http://nationalexpositor.com/News/215.html

We all know about Mockingbird. I don't think thats the point. Civic responsibility ulitmately lies with the people who must decipher and differentiate the information they receive from the media.

[yoshimaroka]

Alternative media like No Agenda!
http://www.noagendastream.com

The show is going live anytime now.

Listeners queue up music and leave messages which are broadcast live on the stream.

The actual show is coming up real soon, check it out

[donnay]

Okay, but I'm not sure how that changes anything I've said. If the media is this evil entity that you proclaim, then what do you propose to do about it?


People can start up an internet radio program. Write newsletters to expose these bastards. Go to your town hall meetings and speak out! Exposing them is key! Support the 10th amendment movements. Get completely active talking to people everyday! Planting seeds is critical.

We need to stand together with those who are trying to expose this...People like Alex Jones! Why do you think the MSM is always attacking him as a Conspiracy Theorist? They try very hard to discredit Jones with impunity but not with much substance. Calling someone a conspiracy theorist doesn't mean we should not research the claims that Alex Jones makes.

He has an internet radio program that is growing by leaps and bounds. He is currently looking into XM/Sirrus radio and satellite television. His documentaries are waking people up because they expose the people who are behind the curtain.

That's a start...

[donnay]

We all know about Mockingbird. I don't think thats the point. Civic responsibility ulitmately lies with the people who must decipher and differentiate the information they receive from the media.

I would respectfully disagree. I do not think a lot of people know enough about Operation Mockingbird and other operations where they have literally infiltrated to keep us dumbed down.

Whether we want to believe it or not, there really is a war on for your mind---from the food we eat, to the water we drink and the news/commercials we see and hear. Exposure helps us break through the matrix.

[Kraig]

What is wrong with folks? Has critical thinking gone away? Have we been infiltrated to the point that we are outnumbered?
The forum is filled with Love Fests for our enemies.
People have forgotten who the media is working for.

Take the time to watch. Then research For Yourself.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6632255652046262625&ei=NEXnSc29B5Cu-QGAiOjBAw&q=CFR+media&hl=en

For those that miss the concept,
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Propaganda


Read through the page. You will see what is going on.
The MSM is not our friend, Never have been , never will be. :mad:

I agree completely man.

[dannno]

donnay, imagine you're one of the many elitist evil scumbags and/or a useful idiots of an elitist scumbag who actively is at least partially responsible for controlling the content of the MSM. Imagine how much of a pain in the ass we have been for them so far.

I mean, you're completely right about the MSM being controlled, but it is being controlled mostly through ideological channels. Don't get me wrong, there are intelligence operations targeted against what we're doing.. But for the most part, how it works is people whose ideologies jive with those of the people above them ultimately progress and become more powerful. So the fact is that most of them actually believe what they are doing. That means that it is worth fighting, we have the power of persuasion and being right.

It's a tricky tight rope to walk, getting the MSM to work for us, because they can so easily turn it against us.. but there are also a lot of inroads that can be made by fighting them. Neil Cavuto has said a few good things as a result of Paul and Schiff helping him understand certain things. To me, Beck is an enigma, and ultimately he may do more damage than harm but we'll have to see.

Maybe we can get the Judge on the air.

[donnay]

donnay, imagine you're one of the many elitist evil scumbags and/or a useful idiots of an elitist scumbag who actively is at least partially responsible for controlling the content of the MSM. Imagine how much of a pain in the ass we have been for them so far.

I mean, you're completely right about the MSM being controlled, but it is being controlled mostly through ideological channels. Don't get me wrong, there are intelligence operations targeted against what we're doing.. But for the most part, how it works is people whose ideologies jive with those of the people above them ultimately progress and become more powerful. So the fact is that most of them actually believe what they are doing. That means that it is worth fighting, we have the power of persuasion and being right.

It's a tricky tight rope to walk, getting the MSM to work for us, because they can so easily turn it against us.. but there are also a lot of inroads that can be made by fighting them. Neil Cavuto has said a few good things as a result of Paul and Schiff helping him understand certain things. To me, Beck is an enigma, and ultimately he may do more damage than harm but we'll have to see.

Maybe we can get the Judge on the air.

I would love to see Judge Napolitano on the air with his own show, but the cynical side of me says it will never happen--if so, he will not be as flamboyant and as direct as he is on his internet show that is for sure. We have seen and heard the Judge on many shows like O'Reilly, Hannity and Beck and his talk is definitely controlled from what he says on his Internet show. That's kind of the point I was making.

Pat Buchanan writes books that are spot-on and he is definitely right about much of it and the history of it all but, you rarely hear him say these things on air---why? Because it is controlled.

It would be nice to see a real life Howard Beale but it is so controlled with delayed timing in the broadcasts it would be censored within the first 3 minutes of the airing and he would be out of a job and castigated so quick that people probably would not get much out of it, unfortunely.