"Wake up America" Baptist pastor beaten + tazed by Border patrol - 11 stitches

[purplechoe]

YouTube - Baptist pastor beaten + tazed by Border patrol - 11 stitches (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUzd7G875Hc)

"Wake up America" is what he says at the end of the video.

added new videos:

Sermon Excerpt 1 - Story of Pastor Beaten and Tazed by Feds

YouTube - Sermon Excerpt 1 - Story of Pastor Beaten and Tazed by Feds (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCe0zYqBQ3g)

this is his encounter with the patrol over 2 months ago videotaped

Abusive Border Patrol Agents w/ Nun Chucks at NM Checkpoint

YouTube - Abusive Border Patrol Agents w/ Nun Chucks at NM Checkpoint (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFS7oZtE8Ks)


I first stumbled across this pastor over a year ago. He and fellow church members went to the March in DC.

I just made a blog about it over at CFL. Hopefully they will put it on the front page so this gets more attention.
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=16153


Sacramento news (video):
http://cbs13.com/video/?id=52184@kovr.dayport.com

Phoenix news (video):
http://www.azfamily.com/video/localnews-index.html?nvid=352728&shu=1

Phoenix news (print):
http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2009/04/phoenix_pastor_claims_abuse_at.php

Here is a sermon he did in February called "How to Handle Abusive Government." He gets into the Constitution and talks about prior run-ins with the Border Patrol.
http://www.faithfulwordbaptist.org/020809p.mp3

[0zzy]

oh, wow.

[awake]

sadly we know why it is happening...

[rpfan2008]

:eek:

That was shocking!!!

But sadly many people who don't give a f about the rights and constitution are going to blame him for not 'co-operating'

[FindLiberty]

Interesting sermon planned for next Sunday....?

I also expect government "visitors"

[Deborah K]

If this is true - he needs to sue!!! This needs exposure.

[jrskblx125]

that is fuckin pathetic. the dogs bark when they sense something dont they??? or do they sit and lick their balls? fuckin pathetic.

[JoshLowry]

If this is true - he needs to sue!!! This needs exposure.

Yea I am trying to get him to hook up with Ernie in Phoenix.

I'm not even surprised anymore at these types of accounts. Anytime someone sticks up for their rights they get smothered. :(

I wish our technology was so advanced that everyone had privately owned video cameras everywhere on their persons and property(vehicles).

[Deborah K]

Check out this video from the same guy, he's obviously on a mission: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFS7oZtE8Ks&feature=channel

Let me just say, as a Minuteman who patrols the border and works with the border patrol, this is upsetting. I've passed through border checks hundreds of times and have never been stopped. I don't know why they stop some people and not others. This is a question I'd like answered.

[Zolah]

that is fuckin pathetic. the dogs bark when they sense something dont they??? or do they sit and lick their balls? fuckin pathetic.

Actually, dogs can be trained to sit still and wag their tails when they smell something that they're trained to find, as opposed to barking when finding something - but it sounds like the border agents were unloading bullshit anyway.

[Deborah K]

Actually, dogs can be trained to sit still and wag their tails when they smell something that they're trained to find, as opposed to barking when finding something - but it sounds like the border agents were unloading bullshit anyway.


Obviously they were. They didn't find anything.

[JoshLowry]

Check out this video from the same guy, he's obviously on a mission: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFS7oZtE8Ks&feature=channel

Let me just say, as a Minuteman who patrols the border and works with the border patrol, this is upsetting. I've passed through border checks hundreds of times and have never been stopped. I don't know why they stop some people and not others. This is a question I'd like answered.

VE NEED TO ZE ZA PAPERZ PLEASE!

That's the only upsetting part...

I think you get stopped if you show any signs of having constitutional principles.

[qh4dotcom]

Sorry about what happened but the video is not going to get much views because he didn't record what happened like Steve from CFL did.

[Deborah K]

VE NEED TO ZE ZA PAPERZ PLEASE!

That's the only upsetting part...


What I am saying is that I've never been stopped. Period. Nothing. Just slow down, and then speed up. Nothing else.

[JoshLowry]

Still a new video. I'll post it to reddit.

[JoshLowry]

What I am saying is that I've never been stopped. Period. Nothing. Just slow down, and then speed up. Nothing else.

No idea.

I imagine the guy has been through many checkpoints as well. It may be because he doesn't roll his window down the few times he is stopped.

[Jeremy]

This is so crazy it's almost unbelievable

[ewizacft]

Actually, dogs can be trained to sit still and wag their tails when they smell something that they're trained to find, as opposed to barking when finding something - but it sounds like the border agents were unloading bullshit anyway.

I really do not like how they can be trained to alert the officer with any number of things. Doing things that dogs normally do does not indicate anything. He barked/panted/scratched/walked in a circle; big deal. When a dog says, "dude, there is a dead body in the car" then I may listen.

[FindLiberty]

Maybe he won't be able to speak on Sunday after all, as I hoped he would, 'cause of the lack of sleep (all those nightmares of the event replaying in his dreams) and those awful re-occurring headaches from the head injury he sustained in the beating(s) by government agents...

Got lawyers?

[rpfan2008]

Is there any Digg???

[Reason]

if this is true - he needs to sue!!! This needs exposure.

qft!

[Revolution0918]

is it legal to carry a videocamera in ur car and videotape cops>?

[rpfan2008]

is it legal to carry a videocamera in ur car and videotape cops>?

Are you sure it's legal to ASK this question? :rolleyes:

[He Who Pawns]

This is complete bullshit. This guy probably has a good lawsuit on his hands. Maybe the ACLU or someone can help him with that?

See, I raised this issue about the dogs a couple of months ago, when I was traveling and working in southern AZ. There are "border" checkpoints all over the freekin highways, and often they have dogs present. To me, the dogs are BS. If it's a border check, then why have drug-sniffing dogs at a suspicionless checkpoint? If the dogs are for sniffing humans, then they should only be brought out to sniff vehicles under suspicion of having humans in hard to search areas. But even that is BS.

When I was in AZ, these guys would let the dogs come up and sniff my tires or whatever. What on earth does that have to do with border patrol or immigration??

The dogs provide them cover to trample your rights. I advise using cell phones to record video of these stops, to prove whether the dog "alerted" or not.

[AdamT]

This shit is seriously getting out of control!!!!!!

I hope the guy sues the hell out of these thugs.

[purplechoe]

bump

[JoshLowry]

This video is getting exposed!

It is currently at the number 5 spot on reddit!

[0zzy]

give it to the Judge to report! :D

[Dripping Rain]

pastor Steven Anderson is a huge Ron Paul supporter. just incase you didnt know. he supporterd the good doc during the primary.
now this is sickening. wow. time to write him. i cant believe this is how it looks after being cleaned. what a group of thugs thoe bpas

[GBurr]

The scariest part of this whole thing is the comments on Youtube. People actually believe that you should do whatever a cop tells you even if it violates the constitution. We really need to educate people about this. People act as if police are flawless. They act as if police should be above the law. In some ways the massive respect and gratitude that cops received after 9/11 is actually a bad thing.

No one wants to hear anyone talk bad about police.

[Dark_Horse_Rider]

Originally posted by Truth Warrior

The Martial Law Mind-Set

by William Norman Grigg




Immortal scholar, noteworthy victim of lethal police brutality: The heroic Archimedes (left) and the armed goon who murdered him, as depicted in this 16th century mosaic
.
While Archimedes is rightly revered for his many imperishable contributions to science, he could also be considered the first recorded victim of lethal police brutality.

A native of Syracuse, Archimedes did his considerable best in the doomed but worthy effort to repel Roman invaders. Following the conquest, Roman soldiers were dispatched to "pacify" the restive streets of the newly conquered city.

One afternoon, so the story goes, Archimedes was sitting inoffensively at the side of a street drawing geometric equations in the sand when some mouth-breather in Roman military garb trod heedlessly on the improvised tablet, ruining the elderly scientist's calculations.

By this time, the venerable physicist was in his ninth decade, and he saw no point in enduring this act of thoughtless vandalism by an armored imbecile to pass without protest.

"Please don't disturb my circles," Archimedes insisted in what was probably a direct but polite tone of voice.

Like law enforcement officers who would follow in his footsteps – albeit in jackboots rather than sandals – the Roman soldier took offense that a mere civilian, and an elderly one at that, would demand deference from someone wearing the uniform and insignia of authority.

If the technology had been available, the Roman quite likely would have given Archimedes a "ride on the Taser." Instead, the thug withdrew his sword and summarily killed him.

Some might object that this crime was committed by a soldier in an occupying army, not by a civilian police officer. That objection has merit, if only to underscore what should be an obvious fact: Our militarized government police forceis an army of occupation.

It makes little difference whether law enforcement personnel are of the federal or "local" variety, or whether they are dressed in quasi-civilian attire or kitted out in full paramilitary drag. American civilians are generally expected to render to law enforcement personnel the kind of docile submission that Archimedes – at the price of his life – refused to offer the Roman soldier who was patrolling his neighborhood in Syracuse.

Under the martial law mind-set, civilians are to give instant and unqualified obedience to any armed individual in a state-issued costume. I had plenty of experience with this attitude while living in Guatemala under martial law following the 1983 military coup that ousted CIA-installed President Efrain Rios Montt.

Anybody who has spent any time in airports since 9-11 will likewise recognize that mentality. And Portuguese-born Canadian citizen Desiderio Fortunato can testify about the treatment one can expect if he insists on rudimentary courtesy from the anencephalic knuckle-draggers who act as border guards for the Department of Homeland Tyranny.

Mr. Fortunato resides in British Columbia and maintains a part-time home in Washington State. He regularly crosses the border separating quasi-socialist Canada into the quasi-fascist U.S.A.

Like many people, he resents being treated like a criminal or a domesticated animal; unlike most, he actually does something about it – specifically, he insists that border guards display a particle of courtesy when issuing instructions to people driving through the border crossing.

This takes a certain admirable temerity of the sort one wouldn't expect in a 54-year-old professional jazz dancer, but such is Fortunato's honest profession, and such is his disposition.

According to Fortunato, he has often chided Canadian border guards by asking them to say "please" when telling him to shut off his motor or perform other tasks. This request is generally honored, often with a sheepish grin – on the Canadian side of the border, that is.

Last week, during a crossing into the United States, Fortunato was gruffly instructed to turn off his engine by a tax-fattened time-server.

"Excuse me sir – `please,'" Fortunato replied. It would have taken a tiny fraction of a single second to honor that reasonable request. But had the border guard done so he would have been deferring to a mere mundane, someone not clad in the sacred vestments of the Most High and Holy State. So the ill-tempered drudge escalated his demands, finally threatening to assault Fortunato with pepper spray.

Fortunato – showing that, in the language of Louis L'Amour, he had more "sand" than an entire concert hall full of Republican Chickenhawks – stood his ground. So the thug pepper-sprayed him, and, with the help of several of his fellow trough-swillers, gang-tackled and handcuffed the middle-aged professional dancer. Fortunato was held for three hours before being released – without apology – into Canada.

Let's be clear about something: This had absolutely nothing to do with protecting the borders of the United States from terrorists or any other threat. An actual terrorist would go out of his way to be inconspicuous. The assault on Fortunato was intended to punish him for failing to display proper submissiveness to the Man In The Uniform.

"Our officers will give direct orders or commands to passengers," explained Mike Milne, a spokesdrone for the Customs and Border Protection (CPB) agency. "It is the obligation of the passenger to be compliant with those." (Emphasis added.) The same point was made by Tom Schreiber, CPBStaffelführer in Blaine, Washington: "This is not a situation where we're asking; this is a situation where we're ordering you to do that." (Emphasis added.)

Once again: Whenever a civilian is told that he is subject to the "orders" of someone in uniform, martial law exists.

A few weeks before Fortunato was treated to a chemical-weapon assault by the heroic guardians of our sacred northern frontier, a photographer named Robert Taylor (no, not that Robert Taylor) was accosted by a police officer while attempting to take a photo of a train.

"The cop wanted my ID, and I showed it to him," Taylor told the New York Times. "He told me I couldn't take the pictures. I told him that's not true, that the rules permitted it. He said I was wrong. I said, `I'm willing to bet your paycheck.'"

Of course, Taylor was right and the tax-gobbler was wrong: The photographer was able to call up the relevant transit authority rule on his BlackBerry. But that didn't end the matter, of course.

A police sergeant materialized and immediately began lying on behalf of his subordinate: The sergeant insisted that their rules were different from those of the transit authority, a claim intended – once again – to get Taylor to yield to those garbed in the accoutrements of the State's priestly caste.

Taylor wasn't having any of it. "I [told the sergeant], `If you feel I'm wrong, give me a summons and I'll see everyone in court.' The sergeant told them to arrest me." The photographer was handcuffed and given a batch of summonses, all of them spurious and most of them quickly dismissed.

The one significant charge the police insist on pressing is "disorderly conduct," which supposedly took the form of speaking to the officers in an "unreasonable voice." "Unreasonable" in this instance refers to a tone of voice other than one associated with timid, cringing submission.

This is the same supposed offense that got Archimedes killed, and led to the assault on Desiderio Fortunato: Mr. Taylor refused to behave like a whipped dog when confronted by an armed bureaucrat. In fact, he insisted on treating the officers as equals before the law, rather than the incarnation of The Law.

Martial law exists anywhere an individual can find himself arrested, assaulted, or murdered simply for insisting on being treated as a free man. The 2006 murder of Michael Kreca in San Diego provides the most compelling example I've seen that such a condition exists – albeit in a latent form – wherever government police are found.

Kreca, a gentle and unassuming man and accomplished writer specializing in freedom-related issues, was walking in Sorrento Mesa one morning in when he was accosted by two police officers – Officer Samantha Fleming and Sgt. Elmer Edwards – who claimed they had heard gunshots. Kreca replied that he had not been shooting and hadn't heard gunfire.

He consented to a body search (during which his arms were physically restrained by the officers) that turned up, in the waistband of his baggy casual clothes, a 9mm pistol the Navy veteran carried for personal protection.

According to the official police account, Officer Fleming told Kreca that she was going to handcuff him "for her safety."
"No, you're not going to do that," replied Kreca. "Let me go; I want to leave."

Bear in mind that Kreca had consented to a pat-down search, something he wouldn't have done if he harbored violent intentions toward the officers. They had no reason to treat Kreca as a threat, much less to arrest him – apart from the arrogant assumption, typical of their professional tribe, that a civilian in possession of a firearm is a "threat."

As Kreca tried to leave, a needless and pointless scuffle ensued. It ended when Sergeant Elmer Edwards valiantly placed his gun against Kreca's chest and fired twice, killing him.

Predictably, an official inquiry found that Sgt. Edwards "acted within the law," since California statutes permit police "to use deadly force to protect themselves and members of the public from serious injury or death...." The same report by the District Attorney acknowledged that "Irrespective of any laws applicable to situations where peace officers use deadly force in accomplishing their duties, the law of self-defense is available to any person" and that homicide is justifiable "when resisting an attempt by a person to commit grave bodily injury or to kill any person."

This observation was intended as a supplemental defense for the officers who murdered Kreca, since Sgt. Edwards insisted that he was afraid Kreca was reaching for his gun. This made no sense, given that Kreca was confronting two armed individuals and hadn't resisted at all until the police threatened to shackle him.

And it shouldn't be forgotten that the kill-shots were executed with the gun in the victim's chest, not by an officer diving for cover in fear for his or her life.

Furthermore, after the police murdered Kreca they found that his gun wasn't loaded – which means that he couldn't have shot them even if he had wanted to. So the "justifiable homicide" defense here is based on the subjective impression on the part of Sgt. Edwards that Kreca was going to shoot him and his partner with an empty gun. That assumes, of course, that Edwards' account of the shooting itself wasn't perjury, which is never a safe assumption in incidents of this kind.

Kreca had much more to fear from the police than they had to fear from him. The proof of this proposition resides in the simple fact that he is dead, and his murderers continue to pollute the earth.

"The truth is told by whoever is left standing," explained Tom Zarek, Battlestar Galactica's resident arch-Machiavel, after he presided over the massacre of his political opponents. Kreca is dead, his murderers agree on a cover story, and those with the authority to prosecute the crime have accepted that account as the "truth."

In practically every jurisdiction in this once-free land, it is a "criminal offense" – and often a felony – to disarm a "peace officer." Why isn't it a crime to disarm a law-abiding citizen?

Michael Kreca's only "crime" in this affair was his failure to display the docility of an ancient Spartan helot – that is, a member of class not protected by law, and subject to summary execution at the whim of the Krypteia(ancient Sparta's militarized secret police).

Every encounter between civilians and the state's armed enforcers has the potential to escalate into an episode of state-inflicted lethal violence. If we permit them – and only our principled resistance, peaceful where possible, but forceful where necessary, is the only thing that will stop them – those who presume to rule us intend to reduce us to abject helotry. And the question is not whether this will happen, since it's already taking place.

March 12, 2009

William Norman Grigg [send him mail] writes the Pro Libertate blog.

[RevolutionSD]

Check out this video from the same guy, he's obviously on a mission: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFS7oZtE8Ks&feature=channel

Let me just say, as a Minuteman who patrols the border and works with the border patrol, this is upsetting. I've passed through border checks hundreds of times and have never been stopped. I don't know why they stop some people and not others. This is a question I'd like answered.

The whole idea of "border patrol" is nazi-style fascism. Shame on you for being in the liberty movement and believing that we need this madness.

[Dripping Rain]

HE JUST ADDED THE SERMON TALKING ABOUT THE INCIDENT.
even added a "Ron Paul" tag to the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCe0zYqBQ3g
im listening

[Anti Federalist]

http://www.aclu.org/privacy/spying/cfz_map/Image-Map.gif

[Athan]

Can we sue the boarder patrol out of existence now? Pleeeeeeeeeeeeease?

[purplechoe]

bump

[PeterSchiffVideos]

I first stumbled across this pastor over a year ago. He and fellow church members went to the March in DC.

I just made a blog about it over at CFL. Hopefully they will put it on the front page so this gets more attention.
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=16153


Sacramento news (video):
http://cbs13.com/video/?id=52184@kovr.dayport.com

Phoenix news (video):
http://www.azfamily.com/video/localnews-index.html?nvid=352728&shu=1

Phoenix news (print):
http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2009/04/phoenix_pastor_claims_abuse_at.php

[Epic]

Must have had a ron paul bumper sticker...

these are the youtube comments we're dealing with:

"I wish they would have kicked your ass harder.
You suck!"

[PeterSchiffVideos]

Bump. Hey Purplechoice, maybe you can edit your OP to include the links in my previous post and also the other video that previous posters put up.

[0zzy]

HE JUST ADDED THE SERMON TALKING ABOUT THE INCIDENT.
even added a "Ron Paul" tag to the video
YouTube - Sermon Excerpt 1 - Story of Pastor Beaten and Tazed by Feds (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCe0zYqBQ3g)
im listening

I think I found a church to go to.

[PeterSchiffVideos]

"I think I found a church to go to."

Here is a sermon he did in February called "How to Handle Abusive Government." He gets into the Constitution and talks about prior run-ins with the Border Patrol.
http://www.faithfulwordbaptist.org/020809p.mp3

[Epic]

Wow:

"This pastor is a real douche, taking up everyone's time and placing law enforcement in harm's way so he can film this crap and claim abuse. Comply with the law and don't be an IDIOT dude!!!

YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM.

He's beaten and bloody because he was NON-Compliant with the officer's legal commands. They don't know if he's a wanted criminal and he LEGALLY must make a citizenship declaration... which he didn't. Taze him, drag him out, and put him in jail.

Grow up or just die and save us all the trouble."

[purplechoe]

I think I found a church to go to.

Amen

[purplechoe]

Bump. Hey Purplechoice, maybe you can edit your OP to include the links in my previous post and also the other video that previous posters put up.

done

[donnay]

What happened to this man is absolutely disgusting. By going straight to a Youtube with his story was his best defense! This video should be go viral.

In New Hampshire there is an emergency number where citizens (Free Staters) can call immediately when they are being harassed by law enforcement, maybe there should be a nationwide emergency hot line for all citizens.

[Deborah K]

The whole idea of "border patrol" is nazi-style fascism. Shame on you for being in the liberty movement and believing that we need this madness.

Excuse me????? WTF are you talking about? I am against what happened to this man! I can be for border patrol and against civil rights infringement! Shame on YOU for jumping to conclusions about me! :mad:

[Deborah K]

Must have had a ron paul bumper sticker...

these are the youtube comments we're dealing with:

"I wish they would have kicked your ass harder.
You suck!"


Nope, I don't think that's it. I have one on my car, and as I said, I've never been stopped - EVER!

[schiffstudent]

If there was nothing to hide why not just let them quickly do their search and be done with it? Car inspection just takes takes minutes to do, after that he would have been on his way.

[sratiug]

If there was nothing to hide why not just let them quickly do their search and be done with it? Car inspection just takes takes minutes to do, after that he would have been on his way.

Because he's American, and this is supposed to be a free country.

[schiffstudent]

Because he's American, and this is supposed to be a free country.

If you get pulled over by a cop and he wants to search your car do you think he's not going to get what he wants? In the end you save your self so much time and trouble just by letting him do it. If someones got a chip on their shoulder and is eager to provoke and piss off the police then they're just asking for trouble. I kiss cops asses and it's gotten me out of tickets and a lot of other legal issues. Sadly that's how the world works, and how it works everywhere else in the world when it comes to the police. That's probably the biggest reason dick heads become cops too, so they can have an element of control over other people.

[PeterSchiffVideos]

If you get pulled over by a cop and he wants to search your car do you think he's not going to get what he wants? In the end you save your self so much time and trouble just by letting him do it. If someones got a chip on their shoulder and is eager to provoke and piss off the police then they're just asking for trouble. I kiss cops asses and it's gotten me out of tickets and a lot of other legal issues. Sadly that's how the world works, and how it works everywhere else in the world when it comes to the police. That's probably the biggest reason dick heads become cops too, so they can have an element of control over other people.

The reason this thread was even created is because past Americans didn't stand up for our rights. If we all take your approach today, then in 2 decades people will be makings posts/videos because cops are holding people down on the side of the road while they draw blood out of their arm.

Look at these new airport scanners. You want some scumbag TSA agents looking at your wife practically butt-naked? Right now walking through the naked-scanner is optional. But if we all take your approach and not fight it, it will become mandatory.

[rpfan2008]

I kiss cops asses and it's gotten me out of tickets and a lot of other legal issues. Sadly that's how the world works,

If you keep appeasing them with such behavior, soon they will ask for your girlfriend. Seriously, this has happened throughout history, everywhere.:(

[Bern]

Must have had a ron paul bumper sticker...

I was just going to ask if he had one.

[Deborah K]

I was just going to ask if he had one.

I have one - never been stopped by BP because of it.

[schiffstudent]

The reason this thread was even created is because past Americans didn't stand up for our rights. If we all take your approach today, then in 2 decades people will be makings posts/videos because cops are holding people down on the side of the road while they draw blood out of their arm.

Look at these new airport scanners. You want some scumbag TSA agents looking at your wife practically butt-naked? Right now walking through the naked-scanner is optional. But if we all take your approach and not fight it, it will become mandatory.

This is kind of one of the reasons I don't really post here a whole lot anymore, common sense has been replaced with this paranoia.

No one is going to look at me wife naked and no one is going to lay hands on me because I have a enough common sense to respect law enforcement and not provoke them.

Then again, in 3 minutes this guy's car could have been inspected and that would have been the end of it.

[schiffstudent]

If you keep appeasing them with such behavior, soon they will ask for your girlfriend. Seriously, this has happened throughout history, everywhere.:(

wow

[Deborah K]

This is kind of one of the reasons I don't really post here a whole lot anymore, common sense has been replaced with this paranoia.

No one is going to look at me wife naked and no one is going to lay hands on me because I have a enough common sense to respect law enforcement and not provoke them.

Then again, in 3 minutes this guy's car could have been inspected and that would have been the end of it.

Don't let other people's opinions put you off. You are entitled to your own perspective and way of dealing with law enforcement. I have a lot of unpopular opinions as well. I've been attacked on this thread for advocating for the BP.

This was posted on another thread by WorkingGirl: http://www.scolister.co.cc/2008/11/how-to-tell-if-your-position-on.html
It's a good way to help you gauge whether your position is right for you, and whether you are willing to learn from others who disagree with you.

[rpfan2008]

wow


What is this 'wow'?

Go do a simple google research on this subject.

From days of Romans to modern Korea, Japan, Vietnam and (occupied) China it has happened everywhere. When there is a totalitarian govt. in power with a military/police type governance women have been the worst sufferers.

[PeterSchiffVideos]

This is kind of one of the reasons I don't really post here a whole lot anymore, common sense has been replaced with this paranoia.

No one is going to look at me wife naked and no one is going to lay hands on me because I have a enough common sense to respect law enforcement and not provoke them.

Then again, in 3 minutes this guy's car could have been inspected and that would have been the end of it.

Well, one of us lacks common sense, and it's not me. Type in "airport scanner" into Google Images. I typed in "airport scanner" just now into Google News. The very first link that came up is of a Utah Congressman introducing a bill to ban these scanners. He labeled them "TSA Porn."

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=6178177

You may be fine with TSA jerks looking at your wife practically naked, but I'm not flying anymore to protest this crap.

- some people are left alone, some take off shoes.
then
- everyone takes off shoes, some get a pat down.
then
- all take off shoes, some get a pat down, some go through naked-scanner.
now
- all take off shoes, and all either get a pat down OR go through naked scanner.
next
- everyone goes through naked scanner.
then
- naked scanner technology improves.


Fight for our rights or lose them dude. Choice is yours. Myself, there is no way that some TSA thugs are going to look at my woman practically naked OR pat us down like we're criminals.

[Call Me V]

You guys have no idea how angry this makes me.

[RohanT]

Abusive Border Patrol Agents w/ Nun Chucks at NM Checkpoint

YouTube - Abusive Border Patrol Agents w/ Nun Chucks at NM Checkpoint (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFS7oZtE8Ks)

If this is the general consensus of 'fighting for your rights', then we're in much bigger trouble than I originally thought.

Oh well, we have start from somewhere. Baby steps :D

[JoshLowry]

Excuse me????? WTF are you talking about? I am against what happened to this man! I can be for border patrol and against civil rights infringement! Shame on YOU for jumping to conclusions about me! :mad:

When I first saw your post I too misread it at you being "upset" about the guy's action of being a thorn for these BP agents.


What is this 'wow'?

Go do a simple google research on this subject.

From days of Romans to modern Korea, Japan, Vietnam and (occupied) China it has happened everywhere. When there is a totalitarian govt. in power with a military/police type governance women have been the worst sufferers.

He was saying wow to the comment in quotes. He didn't write out that statement that says he should comply with the agents.

[Deborah K]

When I first saw your post I too misread it at you being "upset" about the guy's action of being a thorn for these BP agents.
.


I think he's just pissed because I said I was a Minuteman and collaborated with the BP. His beef is that the BP is Nazi-fascist. My posts seem pretty clear to me:


If this is true - he needs to sue!!! This needs exposure.


and:



Check out this video from the same guy, he's obviously on a mission:
Let me just say, as a Minuteman who patrols the border and works with the border patrol, this is upsetting. I've passed through border checks hundreds of times and have never been stopped. I don't know why they stop some people and not others. This is a question I'd like answered.

[jdmyprez_deo_vindice]

Personally I think we should all start carrying cameras with us at all times just for this type of crap. Start recording everything! They insist on recording everything we do so we should do it right back to them.

[agitator]

This is kind of one of the reasons I don't really post here a whole lot anymore...


Please stick to your habits.

[rpfan2008]

Police breaking arm of peaceful protesters with nunchucks (2007):

YouTube - police with nunchucks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O55v2DgKY8w)

[StonewallJacksonJenkins]

Stonewall is going on a road trip this summer.....

This is more important than most realize.

[Reason]

Followup Video

YouTube - Tazer wires I found in my Car!!! DHS blames DPS on CBS!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu3WVkdZcNY)

[OptionsTrader]

I find it interesting that "Baptist pastor" makes a story of abuse newsworthy.

And death tolls of 100s of thousands of "Iraqis" merely sounds like the Orkin man's stats for the week to most people.

[Reason]

I find it interesting that "Baptist pastor" makes a story of abuse newsworthy.

And death tolls of 100s of thousands of "Iraqis" merely sounds like the Orkin man's stats for the week to most people.

agreed.

[amy31416]

http://www.aclu.org/privacy/spying/cfz_map/Image-Map.gif

Yeah. I happen to be "fortunate" enough to be living in a constitution-free zone that hasn't yet started enforcing the Canadian border (at least where I am.)

No fucking way I'll comply.

[devil21]

This is kind of one of the reasons I don't really post here a whole lot anymore, common sense has been replaced with this paranoia.

No one is going to look at me wife naked and no one is going to lay hands on me because I have a enough common sense to respect law enforcement and not provoke them.

Then again, in 3 minutes this guy's car could have been inspected and that would have been the end of it.

It also would have been the end of his self-respect, his principles, and his support for the Constitution. Your solution of just taking it up the ass from Ofc. Bubba is the PROBLEM. You advocate not only submitting to unlawful authority but also just plain laziness. Its easier to just do what the JBT tells you to do than stand up for yourself (and your country!) and risk being inconvenienced.

[PeterSchiffVideos]

Anderson's video almost has 6,000 on discussed. It will make page #1 of the most discussed Nonprofits/Activism of All Time tomorrow or the next day. This sucker went viral quick. It's on World Net Daily now.

[Cap]

If there was nothing to hide why not just let them quickly do their search and be done with it? Car inspection just takes takes minutes to do, after that he would have been on his way.

WTF are you doing in the Liberty movement then? Or are you just slumming?

[Deborah K]

WTF are you doing in the Liberty movement then? Or are you just slumming?

I get so tired of high and mighty people deciding who can and can't be in the liberty movement. Half the people in this forum would pussy out and comply and not do what the Pastor did.

You people who stand in judgement need to do a better job of explaining why your position is the right one instead of running people off! That is the dumbest f'kn thing you can do. You need to do a self-check if you think you are the better person to be in this movement. Geezus.

[He Who Pawns]

This is kind of one of the reasons I don't really post here a whole lot anymore, common sense has been replaced with this paranoia.

No one is going to look at me wife naked and no one is going to lay hands on me because I have a enough common sense to respect law enforcement and not provoke them.

Then again, in 3 minutes this guy's car could have been inspected and that would have been the end of it.

schiff still has much to teach you. you do realize that peter's dad is in the slammer for refusing to kiss the boots of federal thugs, right?

[mport1]

Wow, spread this video everywhere!

[jake]

saw this on another forum, seems this pastor is a preacher of hate :confused:

from somethingawful.com


Zsuzanna posted:

My kids had the following conversation at the store yesterday, very loudly, and within ear shot of several other customers:

John (4 years old): Barack Obama, and the devil, and the government are worser than anything else in the world.

Isaac (5 years old): Mom, John actually told me that he thinks Barack Obama is worse than the ******s.

Ah, precious moments!

Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it. - Proverbs 22:6


I've been meaning to make this thread for a long time now, but haven't had the time or the will. But now I can't hold it any longer; I have to introduce a very special fundamental Baptist family to the wider audiences of the Internet.

Meet the Andersons. The father, Steven L. Anderson, is a Baptist pastor who runs his own church in Tempe, Arizona. Founded in 2005, it's called the Faithful Word Baptist Church. Here is a nice photo of Steven:



Before we delve into the site's contents, let me introduce the pastor's good wife Zsuzanna. She is a Hungarian expatriate with her own frequently updated blog.

http://stevenandersonfamily.blogspot.com/

This blog features posts ranging from cute pictures of her children taken on family trips to tips for other mothers on various child-related problems to condemning ******s and Obama to hellfire and explaining why it's A-OK for Christians to openly hate and judge their fellow men. If I didn't know any better I'd think the author of this blog had serious mental issues. But Zsuzanna is a sweet lady. Just don't be gay or Muslim or liberal or belong to 98% of the world's remaining population and you're good. And what's more important, saved.

The quote I began this post with comes from her blog. She's already deleted the original post, but traces of it can still be found all over the Internet. The now deleted blog post was titled "Out of the mouths of babes."

Steven and Zsuzanna have five children: Solomon (7), Isaac (6), John (4), Miriam (2), and Rebecca (0). The older ones are homeschooled. I feel bad for them.

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Meanwhile, the Faithful Word Baptist website offers a very clear view on what pastor Steven Anderson thinks about certain matters, such as:

Homosexuality

Gay expert posted:

A common misconception is that homosexuals are only attracted to and only prey on men. It is clearly seen in the Bible that homosexuals are perverted in other ways and are always bisexual.

Just because a man is married and has children does not rule out the fact that he is a sodomite pervert. This is one reason why small children should not be left alone with a man that is outside their immediate family. Little girls should also not be left alone with a man outside their immediate family because they are not immune to being victimized by a Sodomite. Molestation can irreparably damage young children, so it is our responsibility to keep our children safe from such danger.

It is time that preachers and Baptist people take a stand against the Sodomite freaks and turn off the television that tries to shove their perversion down our throat. God help a generation of Christians that does not think that homosexuality is “that bad.” We need a revival of old-fashioned righteous indignation and hatred for sin and perverts.


According to Steven, becoming involves an intricate process that is outlined in the Bible (Romans 1:21-28):

Gay expert posted:

1) They knew God (they were exposed to the knowledge of God).
2) They glorified him not as God.
3) Neither were they thankful.
4) They became vain in their imaginations.
5) Their foolish heart was darkened.
6) Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.
7) They changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man.
8) God gave them up to uncleanness.
9) They changed the truth of God into a lie.
10) They worshipped and served the creature more than the creator.
11) God gave them up unto vile affections.
12) Their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature.
13) The men burned in lust one toward another.
14) Men with men working that which is unseemly.
15) They did not like to retain God in their knowledge.
16) God gave them over to a reprobate mind to do those things which are not convenient.


Music

Christian hymn listener posted:

If music without drums, syncopation, or a rock beat is acceptable music, then “Yesterday” by the Beatles would be suitable for a Christian. This song has no drums, syncopation, or rock n roll beat – so what’s wrong with it? It doesn’t talk about drugs, illicit behavior, or violence – so what’s wrong with it? What’s wrong with it is the source. It was written by God-hating communist devils. Rock n roll music was pioneered by ungodly sinners like Little Richard, a sodomite filthy animal, and Ray Charles, a heroin addict. The source of rock n roll music is ungodly.

According to God, there are only two sources of music – the Father and the world. “For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.” – I John 2:16. God says that all that is in the world is not of the Father and falls under one of these three sinful categories – the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life. Therefore all music from the world is wrong because the source is wrong. Therefore not only rock n roll music is wrong, but pop, rap, country, rock, jazz, classical, and easy listening are all wrong as well because they are of the world.


Why the King James Bible is the Word of God without error

White Protestant posted:

In the 17th and 18th centuries, the nation God was using the most was the nation of England. Over time, the United States of America picked up the torch of the gospel and has been used by God unlike any other nation. The United States has mightily been used by God to take the gospel to the world. English has also become the universal second language of the world. In God’s foresight, he supplied the English-speaking people with a perfect preservation of his word, the King James Bible. Since then, the King James Bible has been translated directly into hundreds of languages and has been the standard for numerous other foreign language translations.


Male Gynecologists

Uncomfortable with own sexuality posted:

Because of years and years of looking at and touching scores of women inappropriately, the male gynecologist no doubt has a seared conscience and a perverted mind (I will not go into detail of what goes on in the doctor’s office for decency’s sake, but any woman who has been there knows what I am referring to.). His view of women and the marital bed has certainly been warped by his indecent involvement with countless women.


Television

a.k.a. The Leaven of the Pharisees

The Brady Bunch is out to get you posted:

From the beginning, the producers of television have had an agenda. Even in the most “harmless” of shows, alternative lifestyles are being promoted. Consider, for example, “The Andy Griffith Show.” The show centers around a single parent who lives with his aunt. Admittedly, his wife supposedly died, and he is not divorced. However, we are still being desensitized to the idea of a single parent which is neither the norm nor God’s plan. The show also features a character, Gomer Pile, who is played by a man who is a homosexual in real life.

Consider “The Brady Bunch.” The show is about a widowed man and a widowed woman who have three children each. Now they are married and have six children collectively. This is an extremely rare scenario but mirrors the very common scenario of divorce and remarriage. We are subliminally being exposed to the idea of stepparents and stepchildren which is far more common in divorced situations than in the rare circumstance of young widows.


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The good pastor also has an active Youtube channel:

http://www.youtube.com/user/sanderson1611

Where we learn, among other things:
- That Jesus wore pants (and NOT a dress)!
- How to go soul-winning... in Norwegian!
- How to BURN the corrupt NIV (per)version of the Bible on a BBQ grill! (at 1:30)
- That birth control pills cause silent abortions!
- That Judaism is the religion of the Antichrist!
- That Martin Luther's 95 theses are heresy! (That coming from a Protestant... )
- That the Baby Boomer generation is godless for not being as overtly batshit insane as people like Mr. Anderson are! Also that all other Protestants are half Catholics and Baptists are the real deal!

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The reason I decided to bring our good pastor up now is this incident, which happened around the night of April 14/15, as reported by Phoenix News Times. There are many Youtube videos relating to the incident. Check out Zsuzanna's blog for them.

News Times posted:

Pastor Claims Abuse at Border Patrol Checkpoint on Interstate 8

A local Baptist pastor who was left bloodied and indignant Tuesday night after a stop at the Border Patrol's checkpoint on eastbound Interstate 8 wonders in a recent video, "Why is this happening in the United States of America?"

New Times readers who remember our February 2008 article on the infamous checkpoint know the answer: Because of a disputed -- but still potent -- U.S. Supreme Court ruling.

As the article states, the Border Patrol was granted an exception to normal Fourth Amendment procedures, allowing the agency to set up checkpoints with trained dogs on any road within 100 miles of the international border. Funding for drug-and-human-sniffing dogs increased after the 9/11 attacks, resulting in thousands of recreational pot users -- and few criminals or illegal immigrants -- getting busted at the Interstate 8 checkpoint.

Pastor Steven Anderson of the Faithful Word Baptist Church, 2707 West Southern Avenue in Tempe, presumably doesn't use drugs or smuggle undocumented workers into the country. His offense was to demand a Constitutional right that doesn't apply near the border.

In a YouTube video Anderson made and posted yesterday, the pastor narrates a tale that should send chills down the spine of any American.

While driving through the checkpoint, located about 70 miles east of Yuma, a Border Patrol dog "alerted" to the pastor's vehicle, and agents instructed him to pull his car over to an inspection area. Anderson refused, claiming the dog had seemed mellow and that the agents had no right to search him. Agents blocked his path for an hour until an officer from the Arizona Department of Public Safety showed up, Anderson says.

The lawmen broke his vehicle's windows with hammers, shot him with a Taser and threw him to the ground, he says.

"He's got his foot on my head," Anderson says of one officer. "I'm shot by more Tasers again... They're just torturing me with these Tasers again and again."

Anderson doesn't make it clear who's doing the brutalizing, whether Border Patrol agents or state troopers or both. His vehicle was searched, but no contraband was found, he says.

His forehead bleeding from cuts, Anderson was arrested and driven to an urgent care facility in Yuma. A DPS trooper ignored his desperate pleas to be allowed to urinate until Anderson was in pain, he says.

The pastor received 11 stitches and spent the night in jail. He has an arraignment tomorrow at 10 a.m. in Yuma, at which he'll plead not guilty to whatever charge they try to throw at him.

Perhaps God will be on his side, even if the Supreme Court isn't.


Karma is a bitch.

[rpfan2008]

http://widget.chipin.com/widget/id/e10c74e96b4e1644
ChipIn for his legal fees.

[Deborah K]

saw this on another forum, seems this pastor is a preacher of hate :confused:

from somethingawful.com

Wow. I don't know what to make of this. I need more proof. I went to her site and didn't see anything that indicated they hate gays, jews, and blacks.

[Dark_Horse_Rider]

http://widget.chipin.com/widget/id/e10c74e96b4e1644
ChipIn for his legal fees.

Hey not everyone appreciated TW, but I think some of the articles he posted were excellent.

The Truth is an offense, but not a sin

[rpfan2008]

Hey not everyone appreciated TW, but I think some of the articles he posted were excellent.

The Truth is an offense, but not a sin

I agree.

My sig says, he couldn't care less about the ban.

[purplechoe]

Wow. I can't believe just how viral this thing became, over 160,000 views and over 7,000 comments. When I posted it here and a couple of other sites, it only had about 100 views. Glad I could help in making this thing go viral.

[torchbearer]

I agree.

My sig says, he couldn't care less about the ban.

He couldn't care less about anything. That is why he is a waste of oxygen.
A rock couldn't care less about anything either.

[rpfan2008]

Wow. I can't believe just how viral this thing became, over 160,000 views and over 7,000 comments. When I posted it here and a couple of other sites, it only had about 100 views. Glad I could help in making this thing go viral.

That didn't come for free, early in the day we invested more than an hour debating/fighting off some trolls. They sounded very much like cops, with procedure level knowledge on checkpoints, then came some who attacked him of being racist, some would call him dump/subscriber-whore etc...and we (3-4 of us) fought them for hrs.

I am sure some of them were cops, one even PMed me about some 'discrepancies' in his version (about the dog) and why I should be sided with a potential felon. But they didn't know that more comments or refresh of the page means more honors the flick(new users?).

[Bern]

saw this on another forum, seems this pastor is a preacher of hate :confused:

from somethingawful.com

Doesn't change the fact that his rights were violated and the DHS is out of control. This is a deflection from the truly important issue. The guy could be a complete scumbag, but he still has rights. Anyone could have been in his shoes. He's not a scumbag because he chose, in that instant, to exercise his rights.

Do yourself a favor and check out this YouTube playlist:

YouTube - Homeland Security Checkpoint: Video Blog - Day 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6uw7506xMw&playnext=1&p=7BC956C2E15751BE&index=1&feature=PlayList&playnext_from=PL)

Read the comments on his multiple and progressive trips through a DHS checkpoint. What happened to the pastor is going to become commonplace to anyone who challenges the non-authority of low level federal authorities. It's no different than what happened to Steve Beerfelt and the TSA:

YouTube - Man detained and harassed at airport for carrying CASH! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMB6L487LHM)

[PeterSchiffVideos]

saw this on another forum, seems this pastor is a preacher of hate :confused:

from somethingawful.com

This isn't about his religious views. This is about the police state that is violating our rights.

Listen to this interview he did today. He told the host that he didn't state that he was a Baptist, or a pastor, because "I don't get my rights for being a Baptist or a pastor. These rights are for ALL Americans." All includes gays, jews, and anything else you want to bring up.

I also thought it was cool when he said "standing for what you believe in is more important than personal safety."

http://ktar.net/blogs/crummey/archives/2029

[jake]

believe me, I understand that his rights shouldn't be violated just because he (might be) a dick. however, I am warning people might want to be careful when promoting this video. :)

[Bruno]

Actually, dogs can be trained to sit still and wag their tails when they smell something that they're trained to find, as opposed to barking when finding something - but it sounds like the border agents were unloading bullshit anyway.

That's true. Dogs can also be trained to signal false positives.

This whole thing is utter bullshit.

Funny how they told him he had the right to remain silent after they arrested him, but apparently he didn't have the right to remain silent before they arrested him, stating that if he had just answered their questions they wouldn't have tazed him and bloodied his face.

[Bruno]

Doesn't change the fact that his rights were violated and the DHS is out of control. This is a deflection from the truly important issue. The guy could be a complete scumbag, but he still has rights. Anyone could have been in his shoes. He's not a scumbag because he chose, in that instant, to exercise his rights.

Do yourself a favor and check out this YouTube playlist:

YouTube - Homeland Security Checkpoint: Video Blog - Day 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6uw7506xMw&playnext=1&p=7BC956C2E15751BE&index=1&feature=PlayList&playnext_from=PL)

Read the comments on his multiple and progressive trips through a DHS checkpoint. What happened to the pastor is going to become commonplace to anyone who challenges the non-authority of low level federal authorities. It's no different than what happened to Steve Beerfelt and the TSA:

YouTube - Man detained and harassed at airport for carrying CASH! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMB6L487LHM)

I remember that one from last year.

[Athan]

believe me, I understand that his rights shouldn't be violated just because he (might be) a dick. however, I am warning people might want to be careful when promoting this video. :)

What are they going to do? Call us terrorists? Oh wait, I forgot they already consider you one.

[jake]

What are they going to do? Call us terrorists? Oh wait, I forgot they already consider you one.

i'm not referring to police/government etc. just potential supporters who might see this video

[Reason]

YouTube - ACTUAL FOOTAGE Pastor Beaten & Tased by Border Patrol & DPS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJF5cUWXA_A)

[UtahApocalypse]

YouTube - ACTUAL FOOTAGE Pastor Beaten & Tased by Border Patrol & DPS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJF5cUWXA_A)

So now we know the truth. He was NOT pulled out, tazed, and beaten for refusing to give his citizenship. He had be placed under arrest and failed to comply. He is lucky that is all that he had happen.

If an officer of the law places you under arrest you don't challenge that then and now. You take it to court, plead not-guilty and have a trial. If you are found not-guilty then you may also be able to file civilly for wrongful arrest

[devil21]

So now we know the truth. He was NOT pulled out, tazed, and beaten for refusing to give his citizenship. He had be placed under arrest and failed to comply. He is lucky that is all that he had happen.

If an officer of the law places you under arrest you don't challenge that then and now. You take it to court, plead not-guilty and have a trial. If you are found not-guilty then you may also be able to file civilly for wrongful arrest

He was absolutely arrested for not giving his citizenship! That's the only reason he was detained in the first place and was the only reason that episode dragged on to that point. Then throw in the lying cops (dog alerted on your car which is bs) and every bit of that arrest was illegal as hell. Of course they had no reason to arrest him. They just wanted to violate his 4th amendment right to refuse a search. Then throw in the false arrest, use of a tazer and destruction of his property for refusing to "cooperate" with a bullshit fishing expedition by a bunch of pigs that think they can do what they want. I hope he sues the shit out of those fat fucks.

[UtahApocalypse]

He was absolutely arrested for not giving his citizenship! That's the only reason he was detained in the first place and was the only reason that episode dragged on to that point. Then throw in the lying cops (dog alerted on your car which is bs) and every bit of that arrest was illegal as hell. Of course they had no reason to arrest him. They just wanted to violate his 4th amendment right to refuse a search. Then throw in the false arrest, use of a tazer and destruction of his property for refusing to "cooperate" with a bullshit fishing expedition by a bunch of pigs that think they can do what they want. I hope he sues the shit out of those fat fucks.

That is my point. Had he complied with the UNLAWFUL orders and arrest then he would have all right to sue to the ends of earth. Right or Wrong when a Law Enforcement Officer places you under arrest you MUST comply at that point.

[sratiug]

That is my point. Had he complied with the UNLAWFUL orders and arrest then he would have all right to sue to the ends of earth. Right or Wrong when a Law Enforcement Officer places you under arrest you MUST comply at that point.

Comply or be beaten. We've got that part. That's what we are trying to change. How is anybody ever going to stop this shit if everybody complies with illegal orders? He could sue if he had complied but he'd just get laughed at. Now he has something worth going to court over.

[UtahApocalypse]

Comply or be beaten. We've got that part. That's what we are trying to change. How is anybody ever going to stop this shit if everybody complies with illegal orders? He could sue if he had complied but he'd just get laughed at. Now he has something worth going to court over.


Let me try this one more time: IF YOU COMPLY THEN YOU FIGHT THE CHARGES IN COURT!!!!!!
When you are placed Under Arrest you don't get to decide "Fuck you officer, I don't agree and will do whatever the hell I want" that is what gets the living shit beaten out of you.

IF YOU COMPLY THEN YOU FIGHT THE CHARGES IN COURT!!!!!!
IF YOU COMPLY THEN YOU FIGHT THE CHARGES IN COURT!!!!!!
IF YOU COMPLY THEN YOU FIGHT THE CHARGES IN COURT!!!!!!

[devil21]

^^^^^^^^^
That would be ideal if we weren't already dealing with a kangaroo court system where the police lie with impunity and the judges nearly always side with them. Sooner or later people have to start standing up for themselves or the cops will continue to disregard your rights. I applaud the Rev for standing his ground and forcing them act in an illegal manner.

[haaaylee]

"Yes Sir"


No Thanks.


I'd rather be beaten.

[KoldKut]

I kinda think all baptist preachers should be beaten and tazed just on general principles. Shame this is connected to border enforcement though.

[rockandrollsouls]

That is my point. Had he complied with the UNLAWFUL orders and arrest then he would have all right to sue to the ends of earth. Right or Wrong when a Law Enforcement Officer places you under arrest you MUST comply at that point.

Not exactly...then it could be said he willfully complied and consented.

[Reason]

So now we know the truth. He was NOT pulled out, tazed, and beaten for refusing to give his citizenship. He had be placed under arrest and failed to comply. He is lucky that is all that he had happen.

If an officer of the law places you under arrest you don't challenge that then and now. You take it to court, plead not-guilty and have a trial. If you are found not-guilty then you may also be able to file civilly for wrongful arrest

exactly

[mport1]

So now we know the truth. He was NOT pulled out, tazed, and beaten for refusing to give his citizenship. He had be placed under arrest and failed to comply. He is lucky that is all that he had happen.

If an officer of the law places you under arrest you don't challenge that then and now. You take it to court, plead not-guilty and have a trial. If you are found not-guilty then you may also be able to file civilly for wrongful arrest

Continuing to obey every whim of state officials will only lead us further down the path to tyranny. We need more brave men like this pastor to refuse to obey. The courts are part of the same state apparatus and all the cards are stacked against you. Good luck trying to use the state system to fight the state. Civil disobedience and non-compliance is a much better path to eventually taking back our freedoms.

[speciallyblend]

I kinda think all baptist preachers should be beaten and tazed just on general principles. Shame this is connected to border enforcement though.

actually i side with the baptist preachers, they should beat and taz folks with ids named koldkut!! hopefully you were being sarcastic;)

[speciallyblend]

exactly

???? after your arrested . the only thing you have to comply to is a sit, stand or move order. you have the right to remain silent!! you do not have to comply to a dam thing after being arrested. other then saying your name showing an id and asking for a lawyer or moving to a location to be processed no??

i cannot watch the video,it will only make my blood pressure rise:)

[KoldKut]

...

[devil21]

You sound like a cop.

[Todd]

I kinda think all baptist preachers should be beaten and tazed just on general principles. Shame this is connected to border enforcement though.

:rolleyes:

[timosman]

bump