Anti-Paul Piece Needs Blowback

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http://www.poligazette.com/2009/04/15/its-not-the-barbary-pirates-rep-paul/

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The author has posted a rather crude response to us:


tonto — so your suggestion is that we change from the military fighting the pirates to having the military fight BOTH the pirates AND the rogue privateers empowered by Congress? Seems like a guaranteed way to step backward.

Eric — the presumption that international law is some kind of anti-American leftist plot is common among the more ignorant segments of the hyper-nationalist right (i.e. Paulbots), but it is fundamentally ignorant of how international law actually works. International law was championed after WWII by the United States precisely because it was a check on the sorts of things that you apparently agree with the Nazis about: a Darwinian system controlled by amoral strength motivated by unrestrained nationalism. Perhaps your image of American values is coherent with the Nazis’ visions about making sure that the “right people” get killed. But some of us prefer a more civilized vision.

Also, rejecting a multilateral world may appear all macho and cool from the faux-tough-guy world of the militia encampment filled with right-thinking Paulbots that drool about other esoteric 18th and 19th Century romanticizations that are non-responsive to how the modern world actually works (e.g. gold standard, agrarian isolationism, private roads), but it won’t appear so when the United States runs out of its already rapidly depleting resources and finds itself set upon by a coalition of enemies more powerful than us — enemies who might have been allies if we had not unwisely and short-sightedly blown them off when the option for a multilateral world was available to us. The bottom line is that whenever a power appears that seems to be overwhelming and outside of any set of rules, a coalition ALWAYS rises to counter it. Right now, if we choose to follow your emotional hyper-nationalism and xenophobia, then WE are going to be that self-destructive power.

I don’t support international law as a framework because I am an anti-American lefty. (The accusation alone proves that you haven’t read ANY of my posts on the subject of actual anti-American lefties before throwing around wild emotional language.) I support international law because I think it serves long term U.S. interests even though it may frustrate short-term nationalist emotional giddiness.

Perhaps you ranting Paulbots ought to take a step back and look at some history more recent than the gauzy tracts about 18th and 19th Century agrarian republicanism. Who sponsored the United Nations? The United States. Why? No, it wasn’t a plot by the international conspiracy of the Bilderbergs or the CFR or whatever else you heard around the fire at the militia encampment. It was as a tool for helping to organize coalitions against the Soviet Union. Human rights treaties like Helinski were not plots to undermine U.S. sovereignty, they were very successful tools to delegitimize anti-Western enemies. And the annoying process of constructing and using a modern legal framework for anti-piracy efforts is not an attempt to hamstring the United States, it is a way of maximizing the EFFICIENCY of U.S. efforts by gaining allies instead of trying to do the whole damn thing by ourselves.

http://www.poligazette.com/2009/04/15/its-not-the-barbary-pirates-rep-paul/

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looked at his older posts. seems like an AIPAC blogger with an old lasting grudge on the good Doc
wishing you good hunting boys

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I'm tempted but my general philosophy is not to engage with those who have lower ranking than RPF. Mainly because it encourages trolling Ron Paul for hits.

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I know it's elitist and if no one else was engaging them I might give in to my temptation.

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John in FL April 16th, 2009 at 08:50

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LOL why are you attacking Ron Paul? He lost remember? His ideas are kooky remember? There are only a few people who support him remember? Sounds to me like you don’t have a problem so much with Ron Paul as you do with the Constitution. Ron Paul if we are lucky will be with us another 10-15 years. How long do you propose the Constitution be with us mister I can’t get traffic cause my oppinions suck so I’ll just dip into the Ron Paul “emotional response” crowd?
Sounds to me like you’d like to see our Founding Documents recyled to the waistbin of history. Sounds to me like you think we are somehow better or smarter than the people who lived 200 years ago, our ancestors. What makes you think that? Don’t you think the men and women who seperated themselves from the world’s greatest empire ever at the time might have an idea of how to handle FUCKING PIRATES?
Get a dam clue.

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