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ronpaulhawaii
04-14-2009, 03:31 PM
Considering the source, at least we can start to see how they will try to counter our effective efforts

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/notion/426413/what_the_paulites_have_right


(1) There is nothing sacred about the Fed

(2) Power is overly centralized in the Executive branch and the federal government

(3) Power is overly concentrated in agencies that are not designed to be responsive


We ought not get rid of the Fed--I would fight hard to keep it--but it's a critical point, because once people realize the flexibility of our federal government, they can open up their imaginations about what is possible in response to this, or any other, crisis. We need not put all our trust in Bernanke, let alone Geithner or his replacement (if he gets replaced); Congress actually can lead on nationalizing the banks and reorganizing them.


My own hope is that we first shift power away from the executive to the Congressional branch--this only requires that we speak differently, collectively. Instead of "what should Obama do...?" or "what should Geithner do...?" about the banking crisis, we ought always be asking, "what should Pelosi do...?" and "what should my Congressmember do...?" If we talk differently, we will start holding different people accountable. We will, and can, demand more imagination and leadership from our Congressional representatives.
Second, I hope that we increasingly shift power to local governments. Collective decisions about health care and education are best answered on a local level. A government should not become too big to fulfill one of its most basic functions: representation.


I am very far away from libertarianism in other areas; I would like to see more investment in education, more investment in health care, more collective choices made about our collective societies. The only way I see it functioning (without nonresponsive agencies) is if we distribute all of these public goods via smaller state governments. More government, not less--but more of it local. The libertarian argument and the G20-protesters arguments share a common, and common-sense thread: we cannot design systems that are inherently non-responsive, either because of scale or by design, and then expect them to be responsive to our collective needs and wisdom during a time of crisis.


The writer seems to like the word, "collective" :p

heavenlyboy34
04-14-2009, 03:35 PM
It's a (flawed) attempt at point-taking. Nice try, but fail (on the writer's part). ;) Thanx for the post, RPH.

gb13
04-14-2009, 06:03 PM
Actually I think this guy is more of our persuasion that even he realizes....

If he wants states and local communities to be able to make their own way of their world, then he is for decentralization. If decentralization actually happens, 90% of our work is done.

I personally don't care, if "city/county A" wants to socialize their healthcare system or their schools for their citizens, and "city/county B" wants a private system. I suppose the same goes for state-level affairs. Is it unconstitutional for a state to want to socialize medicine in their own state?

Besides, what this guy thinks (or hopes) would happen at the state/local level is just his own wishful thinking, and I'm sure it would happen in some places; just as our ideal privatized systems would emerge in other places.

Decentralization is key. Break the federal monster, and let the states/counties/cities decide whats works best for them.

If I understand him correctly, I'm all for it... I just wouldn't want to live in his smelly commune :D

Andrew-Austin
04-14-2009, 06:08 PM
The writer seems to like the word, "collective".

Hes a member of the Borg in my opinion.

RSLudlum
04-14-2009, 06:38 PM
Considering the source, at least we can start to see how they will try to counter our effective efforts

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/notion/426413/what_the_paulites_have_right



The writer seems to like the word, "collective" :p

LOL..Doesn't hold a candle to Henry Hazlitt's years at the The Nation. ;)
This is exactly the reason Hazlitt resigned from "The Nation" in the 30's; the magazine was pimping 'collectivism'.



Hazlitt might have been spared his job had his attack on the emerging consensus not been so complete and so devastating. If he had made a few more concessions, or possibly not totally smashed Fischer, he might have lasted. But it was not in Hazlitt's nature to withhold the truth for the sake of expediency. He must have sensed the end was near for his prestigious job at The Nation, and decided to go out with a bang.

The dramatic debate between Fischer and Hazlitt ended with an ominous note from the editor: "The discussion... will be commented upon editorially in a forthcoming issue." Indeed, it was the next issue in which The Nation announced its devotion to the socialist cause. "Mr. Roosevelt is attempting to preserve capitalism," said the editorial, echoing conventional wisdom of the day, "to save it from itself by robbing it temporarily of several of its most fundamentally capitalistic prerogatives."

If the New Deal passes, said the editors with rare insight, "he will have the power to tell industry what and how much it may produce, what it may charge for its products, how much it shall pay to labor, what hours labor shall work."

But this was not enough for The Nation. "We tend to agree" with Fischer, said the editors, "that a collective society offers the best hope for this desirable end." They favored a "move toward collectivism" as rapidly as possible. Criticizing Roosevelt's alleged timidity, they said the "country's steps toward an integrated, socialized industrial society should be deliberate and purposeful."

The pages of a magazine devoted largely to pushing progressive cultural reform had swung fully in favor of collectivism. The esoteric doctrine had been made explicit for the first time, and Hazlitt was pushed out and forced to find other outlets for his work.

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angelatc
04-14-2009, 06:54 PM
I tend to agree with gb13 - if these things are done at a state level, I am ok with it. The states have the right....plus I have confidence in free markets. Socialist states would struggle economically, while people would follow the jobs.

It's a pipe dream, I am afraid. I want it more than just about anything in the world, but with the masses cheering Rick Perry's entrance into the ring...Ii just don't have any hope.

But it was a good article.