Newsweek Taunts God

[InterestedParticipant]

Do these psychopaths know no bounds?

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Newsweek: "The End of Christian America (http://www.newsweek.com/id/192583)"

[Theocrat]

It then becomes no wonder why our country is becoming more and more socialist. The federal government steadily seeks to usurp the place of God, and its will becomes law. Why do you think so many secular humanists support Democrats?

[Spike]

Their not taunting God.

God and christian America are two totally different things.

What good did Christian America do? Look at their leaders - pat robertson, jerry falwell, a bunch of psychopaths.

And America is not becoming socialist because of the decline of Christianity. It's becoming fascist, not socialist, and its because of public ignorance, not the decline of Christianity

[Kludge]

It then becomes no wonder why our country is becoming more and more socialist. The federal government steadily seeks to usurp the place of God, and its will becomes law. Why do you think so many secular humanists support Democrats?

Interestingly, RPFs has an abnormal amount of A/As.

[Theocrat]

Their not taunting God.

God and christian America are two totally different things.

What good did Christian America do? Look at their leaders - pat robertson, jerry falwell, a bunch of psychopaths.

And America is not becoming socialist because of the decline of Christianity. It's becoming fascist, not socialist, and its because of public ignorance, not the decline of Christianity

If you want to know what good did Christian America do, then I suggest you click on the link in my signature. Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell are not the only leaders for Christians in America. You're being extremely simplistic to have stated that.

Though I agree with you that fascism is a characteristic of our federal government, it, nonetheless, spends hundreds of billions of dollars on social programs and welfare entitlements towards its citizens. In that case, I would say that makes it socialist. Instead of relying upon God for material blessings through hard work, citizens are now afforded the opportunity to rely on the federal government for both material wealth and work itself. A usurpation of divine power is in progress, whether you believe it or not.

[Theocrat]

Interestingly, RPFs has an abnormal amount of A/As.

Interestingly enough, those "atheists" and agnostics come to the Liberty Forest because of their continual support for a Christian politician, just as many non-Christians fled to America to enjoy the blessings of liberty and prosperity which were founded upon the principles of Christianity. ;)

[InterestedParticipant]

What good did Christian America do? Look at their leaders - pat robertson, jerry falwell, a bunch of psychopaths.
I knew this post would evoke these sorts of uneducated responses, which are so terribly difficult to read.

First, Pat Robertson & Jerry Falwell are THEIR creations. They were inserted to infiltrate existing beliefs and distort them. Pat, for example, was supposed to be a politician. He was groomed for that role. He was push through law school, but he was unable to pass the Bar exam, so his elite lineage made him a "religious" televangelist instead.

Second, our country's framework is based upon a moral population. The entire framework the founders developed breaks down when the public disowns the moral framework set forth by God. This is precisely why the elite have worked so hard and for so long to break-down the American publics belief in God and the framework that comes with that belief structure.

As the elite succeed in their goals, they create openings for relativism. Once relativism is in-play, then their culture creation industry can make the public believe and do anything.... and I mean ANYTHING!

[Kludge]

Interestingly enough, those "atheists" and agnostics come to the Liberty Forest because of their continual support for a Christian politician, just as many non-Christians fled to America to enjoy the blessings of liberty and prosperity which were founded upon the principles of Christianity. ;)

Then if Christianity is truly dying, perhaps it would be more politically expedient for us to focus on utilitarian arguments to appeal to their selfishness.



Or we could just tell them to read Nietzsche. :p

[TonySutton]

I am curious how many people actually read the article before they started raising a fuss here. It is actually a pretty good read.

[Working Poor]

I lost my "religion" when so many of the people that I went to church with believed Bush to be a righteous man with a righteous agenda.

The good thing is my faith grew. I don't attend church on a regular basis anymore but I do feel closer to God. I still work with musicians in churches and do other volunteer work in churches. I just don't go to church every Sunday like I used to.

When the surveyors came around to my house asking about my religion I told them it was none of their business. I know several other liberty minded people who also gave the same type answer. Is this one the reasons that the results are changed? I am not sure. I do know that even if church and state do not stay separate I will in my own life keep them separate.

[Josh_LA]

nobody's forcing you to read it

[Josh_LA]

I lost my "religion" when so many of the people that I went to church with believed Bush to be a righteous man with a righteous agenda.


I'm glad I didn't wait that long




The good thing is my faith grew. I don't attend church on a regular basis anymore but I do feel closer to God. I still work with musicians in churches and do other volunteer work in churches. I just don't go to church every Sunday like I used to.

When the surveyors came around to my house asking about my religion I told them it was none of their business. I know several other liberty minded people who also gave the same type answer. Is this one the reasons that the results are changed? I am not sure. I do know that even if church and state do not stay separate I will in my own life keep them separate.

[Josh_LA]

Their not taunting God.

God and christian America are two totally different things.


No they are not, there is only one God, Christian America are the people who believe in the real thing!


What good did Christian America do? Look at their leaders - pat robertson, jerry falwell, a bunch of psychopaths.


What bad have they done? Abort babies? Forced **** marriage? Beg for taxes? Import Mexicans? They're not psychopaths just because you don't believe in Almighty God!



And America is not becoming socialist because of the decline of Christianity. It's becoming fascist, not socialist, and its because of public ignorance, not the decline of Christianity

Anything other than Christian is Satanic, call it whatever you want!

[InterestedParticipant]

http://www.crossroad.to/images/americas-slide.jpg

America's Spiritual Slide (http://www.crossroad.to/charts/spiritual-slide.htm)

[micahnelson]

This just in: Controversial Magazine article written to sell Magazines.

Christianity is in Decline because Christians stopped doing charity, loving each other, building hospitals, etc and started getting into politics.

People aren't Rejecting Christ, they are rejecting Christians. Jesus is very popular, liked, and admired- even by people who question his deity.

[LATruth]

I'd hate to talk about lines from Zeitgeist I, but the whole part about moving into a "new age", from Pisces to the age of Aquarius made a shit load of sense. Given that early civilization did get a lot of their beliefs from the heavens(sky not "heaven").

So, this being the end of the era of which jesus and the holy trinity is worshiped is quite plausible.

This was touched on in the movie the matrix, although shrouded in symbolism, in the Matrix films Trinity (Neo's girlfriend) dies. The doctrine of Trinity is central to the christian faith (Protestants and Chatholics alike). The death of Trinity in the Matrix films signifies the end of trinitarian christianity. Check out Part 2 . Pay attention to the dialog between Neo and the Oracle when they both sitting on the park bench AND TALKING ABOUT TRINITY AND THE DECISION THAT SHE DIES.

[InterestedParticipant]

I'd hate to talk about lines from Zeitgeist I, but the whole part about moving into a "new age", from Pisces to the age of Aquarius made a shit load of sense. Given that early civilization did get a lot of their beliefs from the heavens(sky not "heaven").

So, this being the end of the era of which jesus and the holy trinity is worshiped is quite plausible.

This was touched on in the movie the matrix, although shrouded in symbolism, in the Matrix films Trinity (Neo's girlfriend) dies. The doctrine of Trinity is central to the christian faith (Protestants and Chatholics alike). The death of Trinity in the Matrix films signifies the end of trinitarian christianity. Check out Part 2 . Pay attention to the dialog between Neo and the Oracle when they both sitting on the park bench AND TALKING ABOUT TRINITY AND THE DECISION THAT SHE DIES.
Zeitgeist and Matrix movies are propaganda.

Here's where they are taking us and the path....

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Each provides a mental lens or filter through which we view or interpret reality

[LATruth]

Riiight, because Christianity isn't propaganda...

Before we begin an argument know that I am an atheist. And also know that no organization has caused more pain and stryfe around the world than the church.

:cool:

[talkingpointes]

Religion suffers from a major leadership deficit. I grew up going to a Methodist church, attending till I was 14. But this is the leadership problem. You guys act like without religion we're going to just slip into some heathen like state. The more you push the more people will push back. People are tired of religion, it is in no way a force for change any more.

On a personal note... I work construction, and churches are notorious for being extremely cheap and/or expect work to be done for god. ( For free so I don' t have to feel guilty) What's odd is a lot of the time congregations don't even help in the creation other then through hiring contractors. One church down the street (Christ Church Of The Valley) had a alter built by my friends dad, done in custom marble from Brazil. Took him a month and a half, now they owe him 60,000.00 for it and they are not even returning his calls. The construction of this church without the altar probably wouldn't exceed 1,000,000. tops and they thought it was fitting to build the most opulent treasure for the house of the lord. My friends dad feels to guilty to put a lien on the place it's a fucking joke.

[LATruth]

Now don't take this the wrong way, I dislike Bill Maher, but Religulous was funny as hell. Anyone seen it?

[heavenlyboy34]

Riiight, because Christianity isn't propaganda...

Before we begin an argument know that I am an atheist. And also know that no organization has caused more pain and stryfe around the world than the church.

:cool:

Fail. The State is infinitely worse, for it is institutionalized violence. Religion is voluntary (unless the State hijacks it, like has happened in this country :().

[fedup100]

Their not taunting God.

God and christian America are two totally different things.

What good did Christian America do? Look at their leaders - pat robertson, jerry falwell, a bunch of psychopaths.

And America is not becoming socialist because of the decline of Christianity. It's becoming fascist, not socialist, and its because of public ignorance, not the decline of Christianity

And these people are not christians and neither are most of those that claim to be.

The person that thinks the christian has done nothing for America is a fool. There would never had been an America without the christian.

[LATruth]

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Fail. The State is infinitely worse, for it is institutionalized violence. Religion is voluntary (unless the State hijacks it, like has happened in this country :().

Fail? Tell that to the ones who died in the crusades and inquisitions...

Although I am no friend to the "state" either. I would say the state doesn't practice in witchhunts, but then again, that's what we do when we label someone a terrorist.

[Kludge]

I would say the state doesn't practice in witchhunts, but then again, that's what we do when we label someone a terrorist.

... Or a Communist. :D :p

[heavenlyboy34]

Fail? Tell that to the ones who died in the crusades and inquisitions...

Although I am no friend to the "state" either. I would say the state doesn't practice in witchhunts, but then again, that's what we do when we label someone a terrorist.

The Crusades (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades) had more to do with expansion/preservation of Empire than "evangelism by the sword" (as it has been called by some contemporary "critics"), says I. I am not fond of institutional/organized religion myself, but religion shouldn't be considered the singular cause of the Crusades (IMHO)-it was simply a part of the Matrix due to corruption of men in the church and in governments (as it is now). Some things don't change. :p

I would argue that the State DOES engage in witch hunts. Notice how just recently they go after heads of private corporations to divert attention away from their own evil, ineptitude, and corruption. :mad::p

[nate895]

If any of you think that Christianity and Judaism are anti-liberty, one needs to read the Bible. Much of it reads like a libertarian manifesto from a religious standpoint.

[nate895]

Before we begin an argument know that I am an atheist. And also know that no organization has caused more pain and stryfe around the world than the church.



Yes, 300,000 deaths over 2,000 years justified mostly by a false centralized church that is not biblical in the least compared to 150,000,000 from atheistic communists over the past 100 years or so means that the one that killed 300,000 has caused more pain and strife than anything else.

[heavenlyboy34]

If any of you think that Christianity and Judaism are anti-liberty, one needs to read the Bible. Much of it reads like a libertarian manifesto from a religious standpoint.

+1 But, keep in mind that when we discuss "Christianity" and "Judaism" here, we are (at least, I am) discussing the institutionalized versions, which have little to do with the respective underlying philosophies-for the institutions are of the world, not of any spiritual plane (unless otherwise specified).

[nate895]

Fail? Tell that to the ones who died in the crusades and inquisitions...

Although I am no friend to the "state" either. I would say the state doesn't practice in witchhunts, but then again, that's what we do when we label someone a terrorist.

Witchhunts were sponsored BY THE STATE in the name of religion. There is nothing about how witchhunts should happen in the Bible, and especially not in the New Testament.

[LATruth]

Witchhunts were sponsored BY THE STATE in the name of religion. There is nothing about how witchhunts should happen in the Bible, and especially not in the New Testament.

Church basically was the "state"...

[nate895]

+1 But, keep in mind that when we discuss "Christianity" and "Judaism" here, we are (at least, I am) discussing the institutionalized versions, which have little to do with the respective underlying philosophies-for the institutions are of the world, not of any spiritual plane (unless otherwise specified).

There is actually a part in the Bible where Israel starts its slide towards conquest by the Babylonian and Assyrian Empires. God warns the Israelites that if they adopt a King (which could be read as any authoritarian government, from my interpretation) that they will have to start to pay taxes and that they will slowly leave the Lord and the Pagans will conquer them. They demanded one anyway...thousands of years of strife have occurred for the Jews since.

[LATruth]

There is actually a part in the Bible where Israel starts its slide towards conquest by the Babylonian and Assyrian Empires. God warns the Israelites that if they adopt a King (which could be read as any authoritarian government, from my interpretation) that they will have to start to pay taxes and that they will slowly leave the Lord and the Pagans will conquer them. They demanded one anyway...thousands of years of strife have occurred for the Jews since.

agreed

[nate895]

Church basically was the "state"...

How did this happen? Let's go on a historical journey. For the first ~300 years of Christianity, it was a minority religion in the Roman Empire persecuted because of its anti-Imperial message. All of a sudden, Constantine has a vision that Jesus will lead him to victory. He does. Now Christianity slowly starts being hijacked by the state, to the point that its message becomes one of war and Empire. The Christians became their enemy. It was never Christ's goal that Christianity rule the world with the iron fist of government, but that is the road that we sinners have taken. That is why I am a non-denominational Protestant. I reject all church authority, and believe in the personal God and savior Jesus Christ, and believe in fellowship with my fellow Christians. Fellowship implies a voluntary arrangement. Christianity must return to its foundation, not its state-within-a-state status.

[Working Poor]

I became very disillusioned with "the church" when they started telling me from the pulpit that Bush was a righteous man and was fighting for Christians.

I knew he did not care about abortion or gay marriage and was just using it as an emotional chain with which to pull Christians into voting for him. I was amazed at how deceived my church seemed to be. I could not believe that none of them seemed to see thru him. When he got elected for the 2nd time I almost blew a gasket.

I am very thankful that I found out about Ron Paul he did give me hope. But it really did disturb me when Christians again over looked Ron Paul a righteous man in favor of John McCain.