Using Glenn Beck to Advance Liberty

[nate895]

Glenn Beck has caused quite a bit of controversy within the pro-liberty movement about whether he is truly pro-liberty, just another media pundit looking for ratings, or, more sinisterly, an attempt to co-opt the movement and lead it into the abyss. Whatever your opinion on Glenn Beck himself, his groundswell of popularity is quite remarkable and can be quite useful for the liberty movement. If you believe he is true to liberty, just misguided on certain issues, the results are still not significantly pro-liberty enough. If you are of the opposite persuasion, we can still take his followers and make them pro-liberty.

Accomplishing the task of making them pro-liberty will take a lot of resources in time, money, and intellectual advancement. The quickest, best way to do this is to setup an advertisement campaign focusing on Glenn Beck’s audience first, and then expanding into other directions if successful, that directs people to a website that archives all sorts of pro-liberty writings from throughout the ages, and today. What I am looking to include is:

• Statement of Principles
• Governing Documents
• Primary Sources from the Founding
• Liberty-promoting Books/Essays (Such as Locke’s Treatises, On Democracy In America, etc.)
• Forums for discussion*
• Links to other websites
• Politicians who legitimately support liberty
• Anything else that might be appropriate

*This will be an essential part of the website, if we get these people to join. We open the website before we advertise outside the movement, and have established pro-liberty “scholars” already there. I would simply link them here, but another forum will have the appearance of being biased only towards liberty, and not just Ron Paul.

We can join the 9/12 project, sure, but this will, at best, take forever to convert people and many places we will be outnumbered, therefore limiting our impact at their events. Also, conversions, political or otherwise, tend to be more powerful and sincere when done through self-realization rather than persuasion by peers. This would be a massive project, but I feel we already have much of the infrastructure in place, we need only put it in one place (if that place doesn’t already exist, it might) and spread the message to a whole new group millions strong. Beck’s audience is apx. 3,000,000 regularly (so his audience probably expands farther), and even if we assume that every Ron Paul voter in the primaries watches him, that would still be 2,000,000 potential new people, and probably more. We could then expand to conservative talk radio as a whole, and take the tens of millions there and make a group that would win the Republican primaries, and would probably absolutely rout any opposition in any caucus because you know how liberty motivates an individual.

No matter your opinion on Beck himself, it sure can be said that Beck presents an opportunity to massively expand the liberty base, maybe even enough to become the majority in the GOP.

[Joe3113]

I was the one who made the anti-Beck video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6C6E6ayh4U

and yet I think this is a very good idea.

We create a counter-gang to his counter-gang.

But I think there are problems such as people who will follow him when he changes his tune.

[Oyate]

Hmmmm......PMing you.

[nate895]

I was the one who made the anti-Beck video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6C6E6ayh4U

and yet I think this is a very good idea.

We create a counter-gang to his counter-gang.

But I think there are problems such as people who will follow him when he changes his tune.

The last problem is the one I am trying to address here. Right now, if most of Beck's followers were sent back in time to cast their vote again in the GOP primary, I'd bet they'd vote for Ron Paul. However, even though I am not as skeptical of Beck as others, I am still too skeptical to trust him with the future. If we get these people into real liberty, not Beck's near-liberty, we have them. I used to be like Beck is now, but as soon as I made the venture to these forums, there was no going back.

[george4title]

Glenn Beck is a tool - any focus you give this clown is a mistake - shun him like you do former members

[nate895]

Glenn Beck is a tool - any focus you give this clown is a mistake - shun him like you do former members

Look, his movement represents an opportunity. I am skeptical too, that is why I want to co-opt his movement, if he is sincere in his conversion and makes the full circle eventually, he won't care if he is not the leader. If he isn't, his followers still are very vulnerable to conversion. If we don't give it a shot, the battle will certainly be longer and harder. This is like a moment in a battle where an entire section of the line is weak, if we don't send in our cavalry, expect them to put up reinforcements to make the battle longer and harder, and leave victory in doubt.

[nate895]

bump

[Joe3113]

I think the best way to do this is to make a really top-notch website that claims to be a Glenn Beck fan club and just put alot of anti-war and Austrian School material on it.

[paulitics]

I think the best way to do this is to make a really top-notch website that claims to be a Glenn Beck fan club and just put alot of anti-war and Austrian School material on it.

That's actually a smart idea, except we don't have to claim it...it will be a legitamite Glenn Beck fan site. Afterall, if he is sincere, he wants to slowly dismantle our empire. The thing with Glenn beck, is he is all over the place. Maybe we can just clean him up a little, so his fans are left less confused about what he says he is for. It is also a damn good way to know for sure if Glenn Beck is a propaganda machine by reading what his fans may parrot. It's not so much the words that come out of his mouth, but what people thinks he says or what they remember.

[evilfunnystuff]

Glenn Beck is a tool - any focus you give this clown is a mistake - shun him like you do former members

your missin the point hemi

we want to take the focus he has away from us

or in internet speak

we want all his base are belong to us
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a big hurdle i can see is his people already know of this almost guaranteed you know they watch us

will we be able to advertise on his tv show im thinkin its a long shot

his radio show would be pretty easy just go to affiliates as he doesnt control the commercials they play

if all goes well after we get that sorted can he convice his people to ignore us

ps i think we ought to get this thread down and to somewhere more private another site just in case they havent picked up on it yet cause if we blidsided em the first roadblock i mentioned wont be as difficult to overcome

[nate895]

I think the best way to do this is to make a really top-notch website that claims to be a Glenn Beck fan club and just put alot of anti-war and Austrian School material on it.

Good idea, I think we should slowly introduce them though. First on our reading list should be pro-liberty documents/books from the founding, and then you can slowly introduce them into Austrian School economics, and finally non-interventionist foreign policy stuff. It's a sort of the "foot in the door" strategy whereby we basically get them saying "Yeah, yeah, yeah!!! Wait, what? Anti-war, anti-PATRIOT Act? Wait, that makes sense to me now."

[evilfunnystuff]

after thinkin for a minute we should probly just do it openly i mean they probly already know and it would be easier to raise money and volunteers

[Real_CaGeD]

That is like trying to suckle a Cougars tit.


You are mentally ill.

[nate895]

That is like trying to suckle a Cougars tit.


You are mentally ill.

You are mentally ill for thinking you have any shot at attaining liberty without trying to go after these people.

[slacker921]

Here's something for you to ponder.. the Obama supporters who have bought the socialist thing hook line and sinker are REALLY pissed about Beck's recent show on how the US is heading towards fascism... read over some of these comments (http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/8brop/yesterdays_glenn_beck_show_on_fox_news_will/) (notice people aren't in there defending him.. and it's almost better just leaving them to their little circle jerk I think)...

They see him only attacking Obama ... would they accept what he says more if they heard him attacking Bush for the fascist steps he took in The Patriot Act and FISA? Who created the Dept. of Homeland Security?

[nate895]

They see him only attacking Obama ... would they accept what he says more if they heard him attacking Bush for the fascist steps he took in The Patriot Act and FISA? Who created the Dept. of Homeland Security?

Of course they wouldn't, Obama has control over those now and he is obviously the savior and can do no wrong.

[hotbrownsauce]

Who can make a nice website? I can only do HTML and I'm much to busy to try anything myself.

I like the idea of a Glenn Beck fan club website with a lot of (small L) libertarian material.

[Conza88]

2nd page of "What you will now see from the Media" has the answer. Near the bottom.

[Objectivist]

I remember using the Soviets to beat Hitler.

[Objectivist]

I think the best way to do this is to make a really top-notch website that claims to be a Glenn Beck fan club and just put alot of anti-war and Austrian School material on it.

Nothing like getting your message across by lying. LPDs have mastered this skill.

[Conza88]

I remember using the Soviets to beat Hitler.

I remember the propaganda too. I remember that if we didn't fight Hitler he'd conquer the world. Yeah, rofl.... :rolleyes:

I also remember not needing to fight the Soviet's in the Cold War because their system would collapse anyway. As socialism inherently does. Because it can't calculate.

Fail.

[evilfunnystuff]

Nothing like getting your message across by lying. LPDs have mastered this skill.

whats the d in lpd?

is it really a lie

it would be a site FOR glen beck fans it just wouldnt have been created by beck fans

do we really have an obligation to come out and say it was created by people who dont agree with him on everything and distrust him

[evilfunnystuff]

They see him only attacking Obama ... would they accept what he says more if they heard him attacking Bush for the fascist steps he took in The Patriot Act and FISA? Who created the Dept. of Homeland Security?

i think some would
some others would be easier to get through
then there are some who would still hate him for not bein a dem

[Objectivist]

whats the d in lpd?

is it really a lie

it would be a site FOR glen beck fans it just wouldnt have been created by beck fans

do we really have an obligation to come out and say it was created by people who dont agree with him on everything and distrust him

LPD= Liberal Progressive Democrat. I cover the bases phrasing that way.

Do you have a list of media outlets available when you're done demonizing Beck?

[evilfunnystuff]

available for what