Was MLK a Socialist?

[Dripping Rain]

few months old but an interesting blog with interesting links
http://blog.yaliberty.org/2009/01/mlk-socialist/

[LibertyEagle]

At least. He associated with Communists.

[Dripping Rain]

At least. He associated with Communists.

yeah i realized that. it was only last year that i found out. this is for those who proudly say "he was a great Republican"

[ItsTime]

At least. He associated with Communists.

Ron Paul associates with socialists

[Objectivist]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkv76GZlQpc&feature=related

He was a Fascist and racial quotas are a Fascist ideal. He was also a Republican.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_e9lCE3q6U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkUJEDYBnBQ
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=16500
http://www.nationalblackrepublicans.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=pages.DYK-Why%20MLK%20was%20a%20Republican

[Objectivist]

I have friends that have killed other human beings, does that make me a killer? No.

[Dripping Rain]

Ron Paul associates with socialists
he never embraced or promoted their ideals. he was always critical of their ideals openly

[Dripping Rain]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkv76GZlQpc&feature=related

He was a Fascist and racial quotas are a Fascist ideal. He was also a Republican.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_e9lCE3q6U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkUJEDYBnBQ
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=16500
http://www.nationalblackrepublicans.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=pages.DYK-Why%20MLK%20was%20a%20Republican

listening to the first video. good find objectivist

[nayjevin]

ATTENTION ATTENTION Ron Paul has YET TO DENY EATING BABIES! DO NOT SUPPORT THIS BABY EATER

lol what tha hell man

[literatim]

He was a Fascist and racial quotas are a Fascist ideal. He was also a Republican.

No it isn't. Fascism is an economic system in which a large central government controls and regulates the economy.

What MLK is preaching is cultural Marxism that arose from the Frankfurt School in Germany. The influence of cultural Marxism is heavy in America because those of the Frankfurt School fled to America when Hitler rose to power and then established themselves in American universities.

[literatim]

Here is a movie on the Frankfurt School and their 'Critical Theory'.

The History of Political Correctness Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyu-9-OhHog)
The History of Political Correctness Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hh2DdJLycPM)
The History of Political Correctness Part 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mk6C3s1ol1A)

[Objectivist]

No it isn't. Fascism is an economic system in which a large central government controls and regulates the economy.

What MLK is preaching is cultural Marxism that arose from the Frankfurt School in Germany. The influence of cultural Marxism is heavy in America because those of the Frankfurt School fled to America when Hitler rose to power and then established themselves in American universities.

In the first audio he rejects communism and Marxism.

Now go find a copy of "Planned Chaos" and have a read thru.

[literatim]

In the first audio he rejects communism and Marxism.

Now go find a copy of "Planned Chaos" and have a read thru.

I listened to it. The only reasons he "rejects" it is because what he is going to advocate afterwords is obviously cultural Marxism and he knows it. He stated what cultural Marxists have taught, that Marxism as an economic policy was a failure by itself. 'Critical Theory' was created at the Frankfurt School to revise Marx's teachings.

[tonesforjonesbones]

MLK was on the FBI watchlist for a long time for communist activity....the black panthers was created by the communist party....tones

[nayjevin]

by all means keep this one bumped. lol great opening topic for the noobs here. very responsible.

I have an idea. let's win converts by tearing down America's most revered icons. That's got to be the most productive use of time.

[Objectivist]

I listened to it. The only reasons he "rejects" it is because what he is going to advocate afterwords is obviously cultural Marxism and he knows it. He stated what cultural Marxists have taught, that Marxism as an economic policy was a failure by itself. 'Critical Theory' was created at the Frankfurt School to revise Marx's teachings.

ANything other than Capitalism is immoral and like Marx I too make no distinction between Communism and Socialism. ANything that takes away from Capitalism is a socialistic ideal at it's root. Fascism under Mussolini or National Socialism fall under the same guise. MLK seems to be talking about something other than Capitalism wouldn't you agree? As if there needed to be a change in the system to benefit certain peoples for past transgressions.

Even Marx claimed there were ascending levels of Socialism and most people use this as a justification for more Socialism.

I'm sick and tired of the word games played as to this is different than that by the slightest degree, they are all evil except Capitalism.

[Objectivist]

MLK was on the FBI watchlist for a long time for communist activity....the black panthers was created by the communist party....tones

COnsider the source of the wiretaps... J. Edgar Hoover the cross dressing lunatic.

[tonesforjonesbones]

Mr. 170 posts, you can learn about the communist party by going to G. Edward Griffin's website Freedom Force International...and watching his lectures about the communist party activities in the usa. He is an expert on the subject..and you can watch the KGB defector who explains the motivation of the communists. TOnes

[tonesforjonesbones]

The Beast as Saint:
The Truth About "Martin Luther King, Jr."

WHEN THE COMMUNISTS TOOK OVER a country, one of the first things that they did was to confiscate all the privately-held weapons, to deny the people the physical ability to resist tyranny. But even more insidious than the theft of the people's weapons was the theft of their history. Official Communist "historians" rewrote history to fit the current party line. In many countries, revered national heroes were excised from the history books, or their real deeds were distorted to fit Communist ideology, and Communist killers and criminals were converted into official "saints." Holidays were declared in honor of the beasts who murdered countless nations.

Did you know that much the same process has occurred right here in America?

Every January, the media go into a kind of almost spastic frenzy of adulation for the so-called "Reverend Doctor Martin Luther King, Jr." King has even had a national holiday declared in his honor, an honor accorded to no other American, not Washington, not Jefferson, not Lincoln. (Washington and Lincoln no longer have holidays -- they share the generic-sounding "President's Day.") A liberal judge has sealed the FBI files on King until the year 2027. What are they hiding? Let's take a look at this modern-day plastic god.

Born in 1929, King was the son of a Black preacher known at the time only as "Daddy King." "Daddy King" named his son Michael. In 1935, "Daddy King" had an inspiration to name himself after the Protestant reformer Martin Luther. He declared to his congregation that henceforth they were to refer to him as "Martin Luther King" and to his son as "Martin Luther King, Jr." None of this name changing was ever legalized in court. "Daddy" King's son's real name is to this day Michael King.


Communist Beliefs and Connections

Well friends, he is not a legitimate reverend, he is not a bona fide PhD, and his name isn't really "Martin Luther King, Jr." What's left? Just a sexual degenerate, an America-hating Communist, and a criminal betrayer of even the interests of his own people.


On Labor Day, 1957, a special meeting was attended by Martin Luther King and four others at a strange institution called the Highlander Folk School in Monteagle, Tennessee. The Highlander Folk School was a Communist front, having been founded by Myles Horton (Communist Party organizer for Tennessee) and Don West (Communist Party organizer for North Carolina). The leaders of this meeting with King were the aforementioned Horton and West, along with Abner Berry and James Dumbrowski, all open and acknowledged members of the Communist Party, USA. The agenda of the meeting was a plan to tour the Southern states to initiate demonstrations and riots.

From 1955 to 1960, Martin Luther King's associate, advisor, and personal secretary was one Bayard Rustin. In 1936 Rustin joined the Young Communist League at New York City College. Convicted of draft-dodging, he went to prison for two years in 1944. On January 23, 1953 the "Los Angeles Times" reported his conviction and sentencing to jail for 60 days for lewd vagrancy and homosexual perversion. Rustin attended the 16th Convention of the Communist Party, USA in February, 1957. One month later, he and King founded the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, or SCLC for short. The president of the SCLC was Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. The vice-president of the SCLC was the Reverend Fred Shuttlesworth, who was also the president of an identified Communist front known as the Southern Conference Educational Fund, an organization whose field director, a Mr. Carl Braden, was simultaneously a national sponsor of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, of which you may have heard. The program director of the SCLC was the Reverend Andrew Young, in more recent years Jimmy Carter's ambassador to the UN and mayor of Atlanta. Young, by the way, was trained at the Highlander Folk School, previously mentioned.

Soon after returning from a trip to Moscow in 1958, Rustin organized the first of King's famous marches on Washington. The official organ of the Communist Party, "The Worker,- - openly declared the march to be a Communist project. Although he left King's employ as secretary in 1961, Rustin was called upon by King to be second in command of the much larger march on Washington which took place on August 28, 1963.

Bayard Rustin's replacement in 1961 as secretary and advisor to King was Jack O'Dell, also known as Hunter Pitts O'Dell. According to official records, in 1962 Jack O'Dell was a member of the National Committee of the Communist Party, USA. He had been listed as a Communist Party member as early as 1956. O'Dell was also given the job of acting executive director for SCLC activities for the entire Southeast, according to the St. Louis "Globe-Democrat - -of October 26, 1962. At that time, there were still some patriots in the press corps, and word of O'Dell's party membership became known.

What did King do? Shortly after the negative news reports, King fired O'Dell with much fanfare. And he then, without the fanfare, "immediately hired him again- - as director of the New York office of the SCLC, as confirmed by the "Richmond News-Leader - -of September 27, 1963. In 1963 a Black man from Monroe, North Carolina named Robert Williams made a trip to Peking, China. Exactly 20 days before King's 1963 march on Washington, Williams successfully urged Mao Tse-Tung to speak out on behalf of King's movement. Mr. Williams was also around this time maintaining his primary residence in Cuba, from which he made regular broadcasts to the southern US, three times a week, from high-power AM transmitters in Havana under the title "Radio Free Dixie." In these broadcasts, he urged violent attacks by Blacks against White Americans.

During this period, Williams wrote a book entitled "Negroes With Guns." The writer of the foreword for this book? None other than Martin Luther King, Jr. It is also interesting to note that the editors and publishers of this book were to a man all supporters of the infamous Fair Play for Cuba Committee.

According to King's biographer and sympathizer David J. Garrow, "King privately described himself as a Marxist." In his 1981 book, "The FBI and Martin Luther King, Jr.", Garrow quotes King as saying in SCLC staff meetings, "...we have moved into a new era, which must be an era of revolution.... The whole structure of American life must be changed.... We are engaged in the class struggle."

Jewish Communist Stanley Levison can best be described as King's behind-the-scenes "handler." Levison, who had for years been in charge of the secret funnelling of Soviet funds to the Communist Party, USA, was King's mentor and was actually the brains behind many of King's more successful ploys. It was Levison who edited King's book, "Stride Toward Freedom." It was Levison who arranged for a publisher. Levison even prepared King's income tax returns! It was Levison who really controlled the fund-raising and agitation activities of the SCLC. Levison wrote many of King's speeches. King described Levison as one of his "closest friends."

http://www.martinlutherking.org/thebeast.html

[Dripping Rain]

ATTENTION ATTENTION Ron Paul has YET TO DENY EATING BABIES! DO NOT SUPPORT THIS BABY EATER

lol what tha hell man

what are you talking about?


by all means keep this one bumped. lol great opening topic for the noobs here. very responsible.

thanks for the bump. ofcourse mlk is holy ground no one should question his ideas

[literatim]

ANything other than Capitalism is immoral and like Marx I too make no distinction between Communism and Socialism. ANything that takes away from Capitalism is a socialistic ideal at it's root. Fascism under Mussolini or National Socialism fall under the same guise. MLK seems to be talking about something other than Capitalism wouldn't you agree? As if there needed to be a change in the system to benefit certain peoples for past transgressions.

Even Marx claimed there were ascending levels of Socialism and most people use this as a justification for more Socialism.

I'm sick and tired of the word games played as to this is different than that by the slightest degree, they are all evil except Capitalism.

I think distinctions need to be made because of the fact that Critical Theory uses our own freedoms to destroy our freedoms. They believe that if they can corrupt a culture to its breaking point, the people will accept more and more government control.

It isn't about theories of one form of economic system versus another. It is about them using psychological warfare to break down a society so as to let them become more susceptible to control.

Marxism has transcended economic philosophy and Marx itself with Critical Theory. They believe that first they need to break down Western culture before they could tear down capitalism.

The results of their work can be seen in every aspect of modern culture.

[Imperial]

ANything other than Capitalism is immoral and like Marx I too make no distinction between Communism and Socialism. ANything that takes away from Capitalism is a socialistic ideal at it's root. Fascism under Mussolini or National Socialism fall under the same guise. MLK seems to be talking about something other than Capitalism wouldn't you agree? As if there needed to be a change in the system to benefit certain peoples for past transgressions.

Even Marx claimed there were ascending levels of Socialism and most people use this as a justification for more Socialism.

I'm sick and tired of the word games played as to this is different than that by the slightest degree, they are all evil except Capitalism.

What a fallacy of thought. You have only two options: unadulterated capitalism or socialism.

Who cares if MLK associated with and sympathized with communists? Many communists are far more sympathetic to our cause or open-minded than those that seek the welfare state outright.

Tones, most of the crap you posted right there was a guilt by association argument. Where exactly did MLK espouse communist ideas, except for the 1 and 1/2 lines there?

[LibertyEagle]

Ron Paul associates with socialists

He doesn't have them on his staff, does he? No, I think not. MLK did.

[Mandrik]

Ron Paul associates with socialists

I think people are misunderstanding this comment. He's referring to RP working in Congress, surrounded by socialists. Right? ;)

[LibertyEagle]

Here are a few links I found:
http://www.etherzone.com/2003/stang011703.shtml
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=668760&postcount=154
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/epstein9.html

[jdmyprez_deo_vindice]

I remember when a professor who made his living touring the country impersonating Martin Luther King Jr. came to my campus last year. The big tent was set up and the evil George Wallace character did his thing and then the representation of Dr. King took the stage. At the end of his presentation he began taking questions from the masses assembled which of course consisted of dribble like: "why are you so great?" and "My Grandfather marched with you, did you know him?" and other crap like that. When I stood up and politely informed him that I had a two part question.

1.) Can you please explain to the audience why you blatantly associated with communists by attending communist meetings and hiring outed communists as your personal advisors?

2.) Can you explain to the audience why you plagarized your thesis and why many of your speeches including the infamous "I have a dream" speech were taken almost verbatim from other orators?

Well he looked like a deer caught in the headlights and a bead of sweat appeared on his brow. He stammered and stuttered for a bit and then gave the following answers in character

1.) We have to deal with communists because they are the only ones who will listen to our concerns.

2.) I am a preacher, we steal everything

He then quickly ignored me when I put my hand back up for follow up questions.

So a man considered the top King scholar in the United States today sat right there and admitted to communist ties with the character he had devoted his life to portraying.