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Chosen
04-08-2009, 09:19 PM
A Dose of Reality Turns DREAMs into Nightmares



By Rosemary Jenks, Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 9:58 AM

EDITOR's NOTE: A line-by-line analysis of the DREAM Act (as introduced in the U.S. Senate) reveals no end to the nightmares. (1) The amnesty applies to illegal-alien "kids" up to age 35; (2) aliens merely need to make a "claim" that they are qualified for the amnesty -- they don't have to provide any proof that the claims are true; (3) but the feds have to perform costly, time-consuming investigations to prove the claims are false in order to deny an amnesty to anybody; (4) the parents who broke the law to bring these "kids" here can get U.S. citizenship; (5) DREAM would remove the federal ban on in-state tuition for future illegal aliens.

Proponents of the DREAM Act insist that the purpose of the bill is to ensure that the children of illegal aliens—who were brought here illegally through no fault of their own and shouldn't be penalized for the sins of their parents—have an opportunity to go to college. After all, shouldn’t every child have a chance to better himself by getting a good education?

The Development, Relief, and Education for Alien Minors, or DREAM, Act was introduced on March 26, 2009, as S. 729 by Senators Durbin (D-IL.) and Lugar (R-IN) and as H.R. 1751 by Rep. Berman (D-CA). As of April 6, 2009, the Senate bill has 19 cosponsors and the House bill has 20 cosponsors.

What its supporters don't tell you, though, is that the DREAM Act would award amnesty to virtually any illegal alien under the age of 35 who first entered the United States before the age of 16, has been in the country for at least the last five years, and has earned a high school diploma or GED in the United States. While the age limit of 35 seems excessive, at least it sounds like a relatively well-defined population, right? Here's the kicker: Illegal aliens only have to submit a petition in which they claim to meet these requirements. There is not a single provision in the DREAM Act that requires the aliens to provide proof that the claims are true. In fact, once an illegal alien submits this required petition, the only way the alien can be denied amnesty is if DHS proves that the claims are false.

Think what would happen if, say, half a million amnesty applications (an extremely conservative estimate) are dumped on an agency—US Citizenship and Immigration Services—that already has over three million applications pending. How many amnesty applications are likely to be denied when every denial involves additional time to track down proof that the statements on the application are false, versus an approval that takes only the stroke of a pen? Past experience shows that the answer is frighteningly close to none, so the potential for fraud is virtually unlimited.

On top of this, the incentives created by the bill make massive fraud a certainty. For example, once an illegal alien files a petition for amnesty, regardless of whether the alien actually meets the requirements or not, DHS is prohibited from deporting that individual for any reason until the petition is granted or until DHS has found proof that the alien does not qualify and so denies the petition. There are no exceptions to this. So, as long as an illegal alien files an amnesty petition before he flies a plane into the World Trade Center or goes on a killing spree in the local shopping mall, we are stuck with him for as long as it takes an already backlogged agency to consider his application for amnesty.

Rest assured, though, that no illegal alien with a criminal record can qualify for amnesty – unless the criminal record only involves one or two misdemeanor convictions like DUIs or domestic violence, or it only involves violations of immigration laws or crimes committed to achieve an immigration-related goal like document fraud. Terrorists don’t qualify for the DREAM amnesty either—at least not those we have listed on a watch list and who use their real names to apply for amnesty.

The fact that there is no deadline by which all DREAM-amnesty applications must be filed means there is plenty of time for illegal aliens (those already here and those planning to come) who don’t actually qualify to fabricate or purchase their eligibility. No doubt the Mexican drug cartels and other criminal enterprises already are developing the “DREAM Set”—a prepackaged set of documents, utility bills, high school diplomas, and so on to ensure that every illegal alien gets a slice of the American DREAM, for the right price.

Of course, the bill specifically requires DHS to move all amnesty petitions to the front of the line—ahead of the millions of people who have been waiting for years to come to the United States legally—so it shouldn't take more than six months or so to decide any one application--unless amnesty is denied, in which case the illegal alien could extend the process for several years by appealing the denial. And what will happen in the rare instance when an illegal alien is denied amnesty? The illegal alien “shall return to the immigration status the alien had immediately prior” to applying for amnesty. Well, of course! We will simply ignore the fact that the alien had to admit to being in the country illegally on his amnesty petition and pretend we do not have his address, occupation, or any other information about him! We can’t let pesky details like the fact that, in order to deny amnesty, DHS has to prove that the alien committed fraud on his petition, is not “of good moral character,” has been convicted of a deportable offense, or is a terrorist, human smuggler, or international child abductor, to get in the way.

Let’s get back to the purported purpose of the bill, though: higher education for the children of illegal aliens. Obviously, the amnesty is limited to children (up to age 35) intending to pursue a higher education, right? Well, not quite. In order to be rewarded with a green card with no strings attached, an alien must complete one of the following:

1. A degree from a U.S. institution of higher education, or at least two years toward such a degree;

2. At least two years of military service and, if discharged, was honorably discharged; or

3. A list of each high school the alien attended in the United States. That’s right: instead of going to college, an alien can submit a list of the U.S. high schools he or she attended! Wow! What a country! Such lofty goals for the folks Speaker Pelosi recently suggested are “tak[ing] responsibility for our country’s future.”

The DREAM Act sets no numerical limits on how many illegal aliens may be granted amnesty, and they cannot be counted against the current...CONT

"DREAM ACT" fact sheet:
http://www.numbersusa.com/content/files/pdf/The%20DREAM%20Act%20in%20the%20111th%20Congress.pd f

Chosen
04-08-2009, 09:26 PM
http://www.numbersusa.com/content/nusablog/jenksr/april-7-2009/a-dose-reality-turns-dreams-nightmares.html

JoshLowry
04-08-2009, 09:28 PM
Illegal immigrants are not the problem.

It is our government handing out free food stamps, free housing, free education, and free health care to so many that apply for it. That's your real battle.

AuH20
04-08-2009, 09:32 PM
It is our government handing out free food stamps, free housing, free education, and free health care to so many that apply for it. That's your real battle.

Both you know and I know that this will never stop.

JoshLowry
04-08-2009, 09:34 PM
Both you know and I know that this will never stop.

So we should just resort to blaming Mexicans for our government problems?

:confused:

Chosen
04-08-2009, 09:35 PM
Both you know and I know that this will never stop.He knows. And yes people who commit FELONIES and violate the rule of law are a problem.

Chosen
04-08-2009, 09:35 PM
So we should just resort to blaming Mexicans for our government problems?

:confused:Will you resort to using multiple logins to try and slander the debate>?

AuH20
04-08-2009, 09:42 PM
So we should just resort to blaming Mexicans for our government problems?

:confused:

No, because they're trying to escape the hellhole they originate from. I have nothing against Mexicans but there's a long backlog at the CIS. You can't blatantly allow one group to exclusively exploit the porous Southern border, while expecting other foreigners to wait 10+ years for a chance at citizenship.

Chosen
04-08-2009, 09:50 PM
Just to help yall out. The illegal alien debate has to do with the rule of law, not Mexicans as Josh stated.

Liberty Eagle is simply race baiting to slander the issue. Soon he will bring in his other logins...

LibertyEagle
04-08-2009, 11:25 PM
Just to help yall out. The illegal alien debate has to do with the rule of law, not Mexicans as Josh stated.

Liberty Eagle is simply race baiting to slander the issue. Soon he will bring in his other logins...

WHAT?!! :eek:

EDIT: Oh, I see. After reviewing Chosen's last posts, I see he believes that JoshLowry, Bryan and LibertyEagle are all the same person.

Totally ludicrous and incorrect, but I think I'll take that as a compliment. :)

torchbearer
04-08-2009, 11:32 PM
looks like i missed an interesting evening.
Chosen will have to go back to his day job of shooting mexicans as they cross the border.

dgr
04-08-2009, 11:37 PM
The intention to count all immigrants legal and illegal in the 2010 census will have a diasterous result on redistirecting and house seats and increasing funds to those that benefit
obama was on Telemundo last month assuring immigrants that no information would be sharred with any other federal agency. In Orange County California the have been saying for years that non citizen have been voteing for years. In NC this year, we had determined we had 225,000 drivers licienes that were issued to non legal state resident, so they used Social Security numbers to verify new voter ID's, over 400,000 were rejected and we got charged with voter suppresion. NON CITIZENS SHOULD NOT VOTE PERIOD. This is all about making 12 to 20 million people able to vote. Almost one third of the population of the nation will be from Mexico overnight

Zolah
04-09-2009, 01:51 AM
looks like i missed an interesting evening.
Chosen will have to go back to his day job of shooting mexicans as they cross the border.

From Seattle? Must be one hell of a rifle ;)

idiom
04-09-2009, 02:07 AM
Wow.

Someone was listening to Ron Paul grill Geithner.

This puts the burden of proof on the government. yay?

Objectivist
04-09-2009, 02:16 AM
Illegal immigrants are not the problem.

It is our government handing out free food stamps, free housing, free education, and free health care to so many that apply for it. That's your real battle.

They keep wages lower by working for less and for cash.

With things like this going on why do people continue to pay taxes?