How was Ronald Reagan?

[Captain Bryan]

I was born in 1985, so I don't remember him much.
I recently listened to his inauguration speech, and a speech he made on behalf of Barry Goldwater and he sounded good. Was he actually fiscally responsible?

[jmag]

Another traditional conservative sounding prez gone neocon.

[MRoCkEd]

Bad.

Ronald Reagan: An Autopsy (http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard60.html)
By Murray Rothbard

[NMCB3]

Reagan sounded real good as do many republicans. Unfortunately in typical republican fashion his words and actions were two different things. You can research for yourself but bottom line is he grew the government and the debt, just like they all do.

[Acala]

Reagan was elected with a huge mandate to cut the size of government across the board. Congress was in awe. He could have taken a meat axe to the beast. But either he was a sell-out from the beginning, was "influenced" once he was in office, or was mentally incompetent from his Alzheimer's disease, because instead of cutting government across the board, he decided to cut only domestic spending and increase military spending. This broke his mandate and scattered his Congressional support resulting in no significant change to the ever-growing Federal Monster. And that was the last chance we had to reduce the size of government.

He also breathed new life into drug prohibition. During the Carter administration, there was serious talk in DC about at least legalizing pot. That all went by the wayside with Reagan's war on drugs.

And remember who his VP was: Skull and Bones Senior. I'm not a big conspiracy theorist, but I think anytime the party gets stuck with a president that might not be fully on board with the NWO program, they put someone in as backup. And there is no evil or treachery that I would put past George Bush Senior.

[pcosmar]

Once again.
You need to separate Ronald Reagan from the Reagan administration.
It was Reagan the man that spoke of the right Ideals, However the GOP saddled him with the Ex-CIA Chief G.Bush. and the Neo-cons co-opted the administration.
Ron Paul supported him in the beginning, But ran as a Libertarian in 88 due to the message being lost in the GOP.

[Objectivist]

I'm biased in too many ways so here's some light reading for a comparison, note that Carter had a Democrat controlled Congress, he was a Democrat as well. Reagan had to deal with that Democrat controlled Congress and while his numbers went up in the area of revenues coming into the government, spending went way up. But what happened because of the spending? I'll let you decide.
By the way Milton Friedman was against government spending but if you understand the Filibuster or Congress maybe you'll see where spending happens.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/39th_President_of_the_United_States

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan
I listed the elections or 80/84 so you can judge for yourself how the country felt about re-electing Reagan, no President ever received as many Electoral votes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_presidential_election
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_presidential_election

[123tim]

Once again.


Snip - However the GOP saddled him with the Ex-CIA Chief G.Bush - Snip


Interesting that you bring this up......I was watching something on TV which said that Regan stated that he would never choose George Bush (Senior) as a running mate. A couple of weeks later he did.

I never knew this when it was happening.

[Objectivist]

Interesting that you bring this up......I was watching something on TV which said that Regan stated that he would never choose George Bush (Senior) as a running mate. A couple of weeks later he did.

I never knew this when it was happening.

Reagan was about to pick Gerald Ford.
http://blog.reagansgop.com/?p=201

[LibertyEagle]

once again.
You need to separate ronald reagan from the reagan administration.
It was reagan the man that spoke of the right ideals, however the gop saddled him with the ex-cia chief g.bush. And the neo-cons co-opted the administration.
Ron paul supported him in the beginning, but ran as a libertarian in 88 due to the message being lost in the gop.

this.


I'm biased in too many ways so here's some light reading for a comparison, note that Carter had a Democrat controlled Congress, he was a Democrat as well. Reagan had to deal with that Democrat controlled Congress and while his numbers went up in the area of revenues coming into the government, spending went way up. But what happened because of the spending? I'll let you decide.
By the way Milton Friedman was against government spending but if you understand the Filibuster or Congress maybe you'll see where spending happens.

And this.

[pcosmar]

2 things stood out for me at the Reagan Library Debate.
First was all the other Candidates that were trying to ride on Reagan's name and the one person that had his message was ignored. Dr. Paul did not brag on being Ron Reagan's earliest supporter.
The second, was the question of a foreign born President being floated. Almost as if they knew something. ;)

[paulitics]

Let's not forget Reagan's roots: Liberal actor.

[anaconda]

I like how he used to go on T.V. live and encourage Americans to contact their Congressional Representatives to vote for various legislation. I don't recall other presidents doing that. Kind of like an activist president. If RP had been elected president he would probably have a weekly infomercial.

Reagan was probably completely duped and controlled by neocon thugs. I wouldn't be surprised if he was somewhat naive about it.

[donnay]

Reagan went in with his heart in the right place and the VP pick was always very suspicious to me. Then shortly after his winning by a landslide, barely two months into his presidency there was the attempted assassination.

One of my favorite quotes:

"These things I believe: That government should butt out. That freedom is our most precious commodity and if we are not eternally vigilant, government will take it all away. That individual freedom demands individual responsibility. That government is not a necessary good but an unavoidable evil. That the executive branch has grown too strong, the judicial branch too arrogant and the legislative branch too stupid. That political parties have become close to meaningless. That government should work to insure the rights of the individual, not plot to take them away. That government should provide for the national defense and work to insure domestic tranquillity. That foreign trade should be fair rather than free. That America should be wary of foreign entanglements. That the tree of liberty needs to be watered from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. That guns do more than protect us from criminals; more importantly, they protect us from the ongoing threat of government. That states are the bulwark of our freedom. That states should have the right to secede from the Union. That once a year we should hang someone in government as an example to his fellows."
Lyn Nofziger, Assistant to the President [Reagan] for Political Affairs.

Here's an interest bit of information thrown into the mix:

http://www.hereinreality.com/hinckley.html

http://www.projectcensored.org/static/1984/1984-story24.htm

Coincidence?

[Objectivist]

Reagan duped? You forget he was the Governor of California and President of the Screen Actors Guild before he became POTUS. Now if that's not a place for partisanship.

Some facts about Reagan
16 million new jobs
Domestic oil increased and price dropped by half over Carter, $18 per barrel from $36 per barrel and it stayed below $24 eight years later.
Interest rates dropped from the double digit rates of Carter.
Taxes cut and revenues to the government increased.
Inflation rate was down from 10.8% during Carter...

then most of this is listed in the wiki link I provided.

Then with Obama/Congress(Fascism) taking control over 40% of our nations economy, none of this matters anymore.

[Meatwasp]

Let's not forget Reagan's roots: Liberal actor.

That is not so !! He fought the commies all the time that is why they hated him. You must be a youngster

[DamianTV]

Reagan wasnt one of the Federal Reserves' lackeys. Remember there was an assassination attempt on him. I think that is why we had a recession when he was president. His solution of "Trickle Down Economics" didnt really do very much for us.

Then there was George Bush senior. A piece of shit.

Then we got Clinton, who I think most people liked. And we are pretty sure that he was a Federal Reserve lackey, and the economy "did well". Then he got impeached for getting a blowjob.

Conclusion: They all suck ass!

[Meatwasp]

[QUOTE=Objectivist;2064932]Reagan duped? You forget he was the Governor of California and President of the Screen Actors Guild before he became POTUS. Now if that's not a place for partisanship.

Some facts about Reagan
16 million new jobs
Domestic oil increased and price dropped by half over Carter, $18 per barrel from $36 per barrel and it stayed below $24 eight years later.
Interest rates dropped from the double digit rates of Carter.
Taxes cut and revenues to the government increased.
Inflation rate was down from 10.8% during Carter...

then most of this is listed in the wiki link I provided.

James Watt was going to open Alaska for homesteading and he helped a lot of small miners get patents. He was great, but boy the eco freaks ran him out of office.
Reagan was a good man and president.You are all too young to remember.

[driller80545]

I remember Reagan as a good man, but obsessed to distraction with communism. And like all good Republicans at the time, he catered to the rich. He was a true believer in America and a very inspiring speaker. I always have thought of him as the last of the "Leave It To Beaver" generation.

[LATruth]

Reagan, damn near forced IMO to bring on Bush as a running mate, he also paved the way for the corporate fascism we now have today. "Keep government off of Big Business' Back!", deregulation, dealing with Iran and creating the modern terrorist that we identify with today... yeah, what a great guy.

[paulitics]

That is not so !! He fought the commies all the time that is why they hated him. You must be a youngster


Are you denying that Reagan was a New Deal Democrat and an actor during his younger days?

He had a funny way of fighting commies (neocons) by letting them take control his presidency and greatly expanding the size and power of government.

Lets see we have; war on drugs, increased military spending, skyrocketing budget defecits, increase in fica taxes, increase in entitlement programs (showing off his New Deal loving roots). This is just a few of his atrocious big daddy govt loving habits. How is someone conservative when the budget skyrockets in 8 years?

[dgr]

When Reagan got to DC I'm sure he was stuned to learn, that the goverment did not control the goverment, the adgenda, or the outcome of votes. But in comparison to Bush I and II he was at least saying what he believed.
In the GOP presidential debates last year you would have thought we had all been time traveled back to the '80's and Regan was still president. Why, Reagan had one thing most of the others lacked, honor.

As for Bush I Cheeney was his Secterary of Defense He complied the base closing done under Clinton and the new privitized army plan. NAFTA was concieved during the Bush I administration. Rumsfield was Bush I's mortal enemy, all facts I found to be alarming in the W Years.

[Meatwasp]

Lets say he saw the light and fought the commies in Hollywood. At that time they were infiltrating everything.
He picked James Watt as Secretary of interior and he stopped a bunch of the abuses of the Forest Service. Regardless I still loved him. Inflation was so high under Jimmy Catar we almost starved down here. After he became president the prices stabialized.
He was a good president regardless. No one is perfect.

[Alawn]

Reagan said all of the right things but never did anything to actually reduce the size of government. It actually got bigger. Why? One of these options:
1. He lied to get support
2. He was stopped by socialists in congress
3. When his VP Bush's family friend attempted his assassination (this is a fact that the shooter was a friend of Bush) he got the hint and got in line

You decide which one you believe. Its probably a combination of all 3.

[Meatwasp]

When Reagan got to DC I'm sure he was stuned to learn, that the goverment did not control the goverment, the adgenda, or the outcome of votes. But in comparison to Bush I and II he was at least saying what he believed.
In the GOP presidential debates last year you would have thought we had all been time traveled back to the '80's and Regan was still president. Why, Reagan had one thing most of the others lacked, honor.

As for Bush I Cheeney was his Secterary of Defense He complied the base closing done under Clinton and the new privitized army plan. NAFTA was concieved during the Bush I administration. Rumsfield was Bush I's mortal enemy, all facts I found to be alarming in the W Years.

I agree

[Zippyjuan]

Reagan duped? You forget he was the Governor of California and President of the Screen Actors Guild before he became POTUS. Now if that's not a place for partisanship.

Some facts about Reagan
16 million new jobs
Domestic oil increased and price dropped by half over Carter, $18 per barrel from $36 per barrel and it stayed below $24 eight years later.
Interest rates dropped from the double digit rates of Carter.
Taxes cut and revenues to the government increased.
Inflation rate was down from 10.8% during Carter...

then most of this is listed in the wiki link I provided.

Then with Obama/Congress(Fascism) taking control over 40% of our nations economy, none of this matters anymore.


Reagan cut taxes but he also later raised them- the largest tax increase until that time. As for oil prices they underwent a large spike under Carter because OPEC instituted an oil embargo- people had to wait in line for hours to get gas so naturally prices went down after the crisis passed. It was a major factor in Carter not being re-elected. It was also a big factor in the rises in inflation. He actually increased social spending on top of his defense spending increases.

Clinton actually turned out to be more conservative than Reagan if you compare their budgets and policies. Reagan was not afraid of compromise if it meant helping get his programs through. He was not a hardline conservative but more of a realist and pragmantist. There is a lot of mythology surrounding Reagan. Clinton added the least of any modern president to spending and also to the debt. He cut Welfare (although Congress opened up other social programs to the people Clinton cut from the welfare rolls).
http://hnn.us/roundup/comments/5562.html

Roundup: Talking About History
Paul Krugman: About Reagan's Tax Cuts

Paul Krugman, in the NYT (June 8, 2004):

Over the course of this week we'll be hearing a lot about Ronald Reagan, much of it false. A number of news sources have already proclaimed Mr. Reagan the most popular president of modern times. In fact, though Mr. Reagan was very popular in 1984 and 1985, he spent the latter part of his presidency under the shadow of the Iran-Contra scandal. Bill Clinton had a slightly higher average Gallup approval rating, and a much higher rating during his last two years in office.

We're also sure to hear that Mr. Reagan presided over an unmatched economic boom. Again, not true: the economy grew slightly faster under President Clinton, and, according to Congressional Budget Office estimates, the after-tax income of a typical family, adjusted for inflation, rose more than twice as much from 1992 to 2000 as it did from 1980 to 1988.

But Ronald Reagan does hold a special place in the annals of tax policy, and not just as the patron saint of tax cuts. To his credit, he was more pragmatic and responsible than that; he followed his huge 1981 tax cut with two large tax increases. In fact, no peacetime president has raised taxes so much on so many people. This is not a criticism: the tale of those increases tells you a lot about what was right with President Reagan's leadership, and what's wrong with the leadership of George W. Bush.

The first Reagan tax increase came in 1982. By then it was clear that the budget projections used to justify the 1981 tax cut were wildly optimistic. In response, Mr. Reagan agreed to a sharp rollback of corporate tax cuts, and a smaller rollback of individual income tax cuts. Over all, the 1982 tax increase undid about a third of the 1981 cut; as a share of G.D.P., the increase was substantially larger than Mr. Clinton's 1993 tax increase.

The contrast with President Bush is obvious. President Reagan, confronted with evidence that his tax cuts were fiscally irresponsible, changed course. President Bush, confronted with similar evidence, has pushed for even more tax cuts.

Mr. Reagan's second tax increase was also motivated by a sense of responsibility — or at least that's the way it seemed at the time. I'm referring to the Social Security Reform Act of 1983, which followed the recommendations of a commission led by Alan Greenspan. Its key provision was an increase in the payroll tax that pays for Social Security and Medicare hospital insurance.

For many middle- and low-income families, this tax increase more than undid any gains from Mr. Reagan's income tax cuts. In 1980, according to Congressional Budget Office estimates, middle-income families with children paid 8.2 percent of their income in income taxes, and 9.5 percent in payroll taxes. By 1988 the income tax share was down to 6.6 percent — but the payroll tax share was up to 11.8 percent, and the combined burden was up, not down.

[robert4rp08]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5noTUw9xtgU#t=3m40s

[TastyWheat]

Was he actually fiscally responsible?
Ha! Ha ha ha ha ha! OMG! OMG! I can't breathe! Oh, goodness. Whew. My sides.

No, he wasn't fiscally responsible.

[LittleLightShining]

Reagan went in with his heart in the right place and the VP pick was always very suspicious to me. Then shortly after his winning by a landslide, barely two months into his presidency there was the attempted assassination.

One of my favorite quotes:

"These things I believe: That government should butt out. That freedom is our most precious commodity and if we are not eternally vigilant, government will take it all away. That individual freedom demands individual responsibility. That government is not a necessary good but an unavoidable evil. That the executive branch has grown too strong, the judicial branch too arrogant and the legislative branch too stupid. That political parties have become close to meaningless. That government should work to insure the rights of the individual, not plot to take them away. That government should provide for the national defense and work to insure domestic tranquillity. That foreign trade should be fair rather than free. That America should be wary of foreign entanglements. That the tree of liberty needs to be watered from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. That guns do more than protect us from criminals; more importantly, they protect us from the ongoing threat of government. That states are the bulwark of our freedom. That states should have the right to secede from the Union. That once a year we should hang someone in government as an example to his fellows."
Lyn Nofziger, Assistant to the President [Reagan] for Political Affairs.

Here's an interest bit of information thrown into the mix:

http://www.hereinreality.com/hinckley.html

http://www.projectcensored.org/static/1984/1984-story24.htm

Coincidence?I haven't studied Reagan nearly enough but something had to have happened that made him change.


http://www.libertarian-international.org/mcclaughry-reagan.jpg
(Photo) President Ronald Reagan greets Senator John McClaughry, one of the first Libertarians he appointed to Federal office. LIO worked behind the scenes with both Reagan and Yeltsin in bringing about the fall of the Iron Curtain, and many African and Latin dictators. Said Reagan expanding on comments to startled conservatives at a talk after a Conservative PAC (CPAC) meeting, "We must rally behind the Libertarian campaign against the Cult of the Omnipotent State, whether justifying anything from harsh fascism to simple rackets, and so bring choices at personal or local levels.I applaud their leadership and championship of human rights."From here: http://www.libertarian-international.org/mainblog.htm
(http://www.libertarian-international.org/mainblog.htm)

By the way, John is speaking at the Tea Party in Montpelier.

[AuH20]

Lets say he saw the light and fought the commies in Hollywood. At that time they were infiltrating everything.


Yup. Venona Intercepts proved this. Communists had breached high levels of government and media.

http://www.espionageinfo.com/Ul-Vo/Venona.html

Breaking the Soviet espionage network in the United States. Information from Venona intercepts led to the arrest of several Soviet spies in the United States. Since Venona documents were not analyzed as they were received, however, most of those identified foreign agents had given secrets to the Soviets during World War II. Though the Soviet Union was a military ally of the United States during the war, sharing secret information remained illegal. Immediately following the war, relations between the two counties deteriorated. Thus most of the Venona intercepts were translated and analyzed in the light of Cold War tensions.

Among the Soviet agents first identified by Venona communications were State Department officers Alger Hiss and Laurence Duggan who gave the Soviets wartime intelligence. Lauchlin Currie, a friend and aide to President Franklin D. Roosevelt, notified Soviet intelligence when agents operating in the United States were dubbed suspicious by U.S. intelligence and law enforcement. Duncan Lee, an assistant to OSS Chief William Donovan, divulged a plethora of intelligence secrets to Moscow. Three members of the Treasury Department sold the Soviets weapons designs, economic assessments, and other classified information. An NSA linguist, William Weisband, who briefly contributed to Venona by translating intercepts, notified Soviet intelligence of the project's existence.

After this early wave of arrests in the 1950s, several more agents were discovered and taken into custody in the following decades. However, the most notorious, and perhaps the most threatening to national security, of the agents identified by Venona intercepts was the network of Soviet atomic spies. Venona intercepts proved that Soviet agents had infiltrated most areas of the Manhattan Project, and had obtained secrets from ultra-secure sites such as the Oak Ridge and Los Alamos. In 1947, Gardner discovered that the Soviets had placed several intelligence sources in the War Department. While Gardner uncovered several dozen codenames in communications regarding atomic secrets, Venona intercepts added to the cases against spies Klaus Fuchs, Theodore Hall, and Julius Rosenberg.

The team first cracked Rosenberg's codenames, Liberal and Antenna, because of a carelessly coded intercept that used both of his cryptonym and also discussed his wife, Ethel, using her real name. The trial of Julius and Ethel Rosenberg drew a mixed public reaction. Federal prosecutors relied on other evidence, most of which was not as compelling, to convict most Soviet informants rather than expose Venona to the public. Historians and journalists who later investigated anomalies in the Rosenberg case similarly did not have access to Venona documents. Several cases, including that of the Rosenbergs, remained contentious within the general public until Venona documents began to be declassified in the mid-1990s.

Venona intercepts not only provided American and British intelligence with the identities of Soviet spies, they also provided information regarding Soviet intelligence tradecraft. Through Venona communications, the U.S. intelligence community learned how the Soviet network functioned. Venona documents illustrate how agents were recruited. The messages detailed the use of dead letter drops and the process for arranging meetings between agents. Venona intercepts provided information on Soviet counterintelligence operations and efforts to locate defectors in the United States.

[Bruno]

Reagan was elected with a huge mandate to cut the size of government across the board. Congress was in awe. He could have taken a meat axe to the beast. But either he was a sell-out from the beginning, was "influenced" once he was in office, or was mentally incompetent from his Alzheimer's disease, because instead of cutting government across the board, he decided to cut only domestic spending and increase military spending. This broke his mandate and scattered his Congressional support resulting in no significant change to the ever-growing Federal Monster. And that was the last chance we had to reduce the size of government.

He also breathed new life into drug prohibition. During the Carter administration, there was serious talk in DC about at least legalizing pot. That all went by the wayside with Reagan's war on drugs.

And remember who his VP was: Skull and Bones Senior. I'm not a big conspiracy theorist, but I think anytime the party gets stuck with a president that might not be fully on board with the NWO program, they put someone in as backup. And there is no evil or treachery that I would put past George Bush Senior.

Well said.

His role in the Drug War escalation made me hate him from the moment I took my first puff. The Drug War became a top priority from Day 1 to pay back the religious right that helped him get into office.

He also apparently spoke often AGAINST the CFR-laden cabinet of Carter. That is, up until midnight on the night before the Republican Party nomination, when he was offered up Bush and never spoke of them since. Rumor has it, anyway.

Then there's always this: "Bush Son Had Dinner Plans With Hinckley Brother Before Shooting"

http://killtown.911review.org/assassinations/reagan.html

[Meatwasp]

Some of you hated him but people like Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan WHO KNEW HIM and worked with him liked him and I trust them. They are the source.

[Bruno]

Some of you hated him but people like Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan WHO KNEW HIM and worked with him liked him and I trust them. They are the source.

And then they also disagreed with what he eventually did, did they not? At least RP did. I doubt he stood behind much of what Reagan did once he was in office. In fact, he spoke out against it.

[Meatwasp]

And then they also disagreed with what he eventually did, did they not? At least RP did. I doubt he stood behind much of what Reagan did once he was in office. In fact, he spoke out against it.

source

[Imperial]

Ronald Reagan is similar to how Thomas Jefferson was as president in many ways- except Jefferson had the benefit of having to pioneer the transition between parties while maintaining stability. By our time, that is old game.

[Brian4Liberty]

Once again.
You need to separate Ronald Reagan from the Reagan administration.
It was Reagan the man that spoke of the right Ideals, However the GOP saddled him with the Ex-CIA Chief G.Bush. and the Neo-cons co-opted the administration.
Ron Paul supported him in the beginning, But ran as a Libertarian in 88 due to the message being lost in the GOP.

Yep. And he was saddled with more than that. A bunch of Republican Senators also worked against him. And who can forget the traitor Stockman? And his sidekick Kudlow? They all worked to expand government and raise taxes. And of course the crazies were mostly in the basement back then, until W put them in charge...

[Meatwasp]

Yep. And he was saddled with more than that. A bunch of Republican Senators also worked against him. And who can forget the traitor Stockman? And his sidekick Kudlow? They all worked to expand government and raise taxes. And of course the crazies were mostly in the basement back then, until W put them in charge...

I agree on this. I was shocked when he picked Bush as V. P. But he was still a decent ethical human being. I just get sad when I hear people pointing out all the flaws instead of the good he did. There are some here that hate everyone,no matter what.
Over and out!

[Bruno]

source

I'm sure there's more. I don't have the references, but he did speak against the troops in Lebanon, which Reagan eventually pulled, but only after the attack on the Marines which Ron Paul hard warned against.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul
In the 1988 presidential election, Paul defeated American Indian activist Russell Means to win the Libertarian Party nomination for president.[5] Paul criticized Ronald Reagan as a failure and cited high deficits as exhibit A.[14]


http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig8/huff1.html
It was comical when Reagan was running and the other side kept making comments like, "How can an actor be a good president?" We now know that most politicians are just lousy actors.

Ronald Reagan tickled our ears so artfully. He pushed all the right buttons. Perhaps he even fooled Ron Paul for a brief moment. But he was still an example of symbolism over substance. Under Reagan government grew and liberty shrunk.

Ron Paul is the opposite in that respect – he is all substance – Constitutional substance. In his career performance we have witnessed a practically flawless example of the public servant who obeys his Oath. He hasn't been bought yet – and it would appear he's not for sale.


I agree on this. I was shocked when he picked Bush as V. P. But he was still a decent ethical human being. I just get sad when I hear people pointing out all the flaws instead of the good he did. There are some here that hate everyone,no matter what.
Over and out!

Read my previous post about why he picked Bush. I'm believe there is a conspiracy around every politician, but he reported stopped speaking against the CFR when "I see a thousand points of light...New World Order" Bush Sr. was picked for him (don't think he picked Bush)

I'll tell you why I personally hated him - I took a puff of marijuana when I was 15 and my mind awoke to a huge lie. From that moment on I was awake more than some people who have never tried it can relate to. And through the next many years, I watched Reagan call Marijuana scourge and escalate a War on Drugs. A War on People. A War on People like me. A War that has imprisoned tens of millions of consenting Americans, more than any country on Earth. And that pissed me off. I knew it was a sham, and he knew it, too. And he reversed what society might have done had he not intervened- legalize or decriminalize marijuana. It was very personal to me.

His "ethics" and his wife's ridiculous Just Say No campaign full of lies and propaganda caused hundreds of millions of hours of human beings lives to rot in a prison cell for doing nothing more than smoking cannabis. That's shameful to me.

[revolutionisnow]

Gave Amnesty to millions of illegals, swole the government to huge proportions via the war on drugs.

[specsaregood]

I haven't studied Reagan nearly enough but something had to have happened that made him change.


I'm inclined to agree, although I was a bit young at the time, it does appear that "they" got him under control...



“From page 421 of Robert Novak’s autobiography The Prince of Darkness:

I asked Reagan: “What ever happened to the gold standard? I thought you supported it.”

“Well,” the president began and then paused (a ploy he frequently used to collect his thoughts), “I still do support the gold standard, but–”

At that point, Reagan was interrupted by his chief of staff. “Now, Mr. President,” said Don Regan, “we don’t want to get bogged down talking about the gold standard.”

“You see?” the president said to me, with palms uplifted in mock futility. “They just won’t let me have my way.”

[robert4rp08]

source

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5noTUw9xtgU#t=3m40s

[Meatwasp]

I concede on some of your points Bruno.
He did take the Marines out of Lebanon and never went back. Also "Mr Gorbechic SP tear down this wall " He did not go in there bombing , The so call Star Wars helped defeat the Soviet Union. That was Reagan's baby
As far as the pot thing, at that time most people were against it. I have always been one of the first people to say legalize it. It wasn't hurting anyone but the person that smoked it.
Well our small town this year has decided to open up to pot growers. Every pot head has moved here , even some from New York. The crime rate has gone way up. They are pooping in our rivers and breaking into thrift shops . Jewelry stores , robbing businesses. Tacking up shacks all over. Also breaking into summer homes and wrecking them. The town people are mad. I really can't blame them.
I have changed my mind on them not hurting anyone. I think they are. But i still wish they would legalise it so all the riff raff would move back out and the jails would empty
Now you pot smokers go ahead and flame me. Ha ha

[Bruno]

I concede on some of your points Bruno.
He did take the Marines out of Lebanon and never went back. Also "Mr Gorbechic SP tear down this wall " He did not go in there bombing , The so call Star Wars helped defeat the Soviet Union. That was Reagan's baby
As far as the pot thing, at that time most people were against it. I have always been one of the first people to say legalize it. It wasn't hurting anyone but the person that smoked it.
Well our small town this year has decided to open up to pot growers. Every pot head has moved here , even some from New York. The crime rate has gone way up. They are pooping in our rivers and breaking into thrift shops . Jewelry stores , robbing businesses. Tacking up shacks all over. Also breaking into summer homes and wrecking them. The town people are mad. I really can't blame them.
I have changed my mind on them not hurting anyone. I think they are. But i still wish they would legalise it so all the riff raff would move back out and the jails would empty
Now you pot smokers go ahead and flame me. Ha ha

I have known a lot of pot smokers, none of which poop in rivers, rob jewlery stores, and break into thrift shops.

[schiffstudent]

I have known a lot of pot smokers, none of which poop in rivers, rob jewlery stores, and break into thrift shops.

All of our poop goes to one river or another, whether we're high or not.
;)

[Meatwasp]

I have known a lot of pot smokers, none of which poop in rivers, rob jewlery stores, and break into thrift shops.

Maybe we just have the dregs, I am not saying all pot smokers do this but the ones we have are sure awful, They are coming from all over the States. If they legalise it every gardner can raise their own at their own place. DO YOU AGREE???

[LATruth]

Maybe we just have the dregs, I am not saying all pot smokers do this but the ones we have are sure awful, They are coming from all over the States. If they legalise it every gardner can raise their own at their own place. DO YOU AGREE???

You have to admit though, pot is better than alcohol... and alcohol is legal.

[LATruth]

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