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Knightskye
04-07-2009, 01:15 PM
http://www.reason.com/blog/show/132761.html


[W]e find that for every renewable energy job that the State manages to finance, Spain’s experience cited by President Obama as a model reveals with high confidence, by two different methods, that the U.S. should expect a loss of at least 2.2 jobs on average, or about 9 jobs lost for every 4 created, to which we have to add those jobs that non-subsidized investments with the same resources would have created...

"Create or save". :p

RonPaulFanInGA
04-07-2009, 01:29 PM
Spain Green Jobs Study: "US would lose 2.2 jobs for every 1 'green job' created."

It also takes 2.2 kilograms to make one pound I believe.

Knightskye
04-07-2009, 09:35 PM
It also takes 2.2 kilograms to make one pound I believe.

1 pound = 0.45359237 kilograms, according to Google.

Might take $2.2 to make one pound, though. ;)

RSLudlum
04-07-2009, 09:48 PM
Good analysis of Obama's "Broken Window Initiative" ;)

Bman
04-07-2009, 09:51 PM
My question is are the job loses a direct attribute to taxation. Or are they a direct attribute to the change in man power needed.


I just can't tell by what I read. We may want to expect these loses anyway if the market decides to head green.

Knightskye
04-07-2009, 10:21 PM
Good analysis of Obama's "Broken Window Initiative" ;)

"Broken Window Initiative"?


My question is are the job loses a direct attribute to taxation. Or are they a direct attribute to the change in man power needed.

Peter Schiff talks about it a little:
http://www.businessinsider.com/2009/1/peter-schiff-obama-stimulus-will-destroy-jobs

Basically, the government can only give something if it takes it first. So they take money from people by taxing them - and invest it somewhere else. Obama wants to pay for his programs by letting the "Bush tax cuts" expire and raise taxes on people making over $250,000 a year. So he takes their money, and has bureaucrats divvy up the money to nonproductive industries.

Bman
04-07-2009, 10:34 PM
"Broken Window Initiative"?



Peter Schiff talks about it a little:
http://www.businessinsider.com/2009/1/peter-schiff-obama-stimulus-will-destroy-jobs

Basically, the government can only give something if it takes it first. So they take money from people by taxing them - and invest it somewhere else. Obama wants to pay for his programs by letting the "Bush tax cuts" expire and raise taxes on people making over $250,000 a year. So he takes their money, and has bureaucrats divvy up the money to nonproductive industries.

I know all of that. That's not what i was implying.

I was implying whether or not the research support the loss of jobs due to taxes or due to the effects on the job market within energy. Such as were jobs lost because less coal was needed for energy.

RSLudlum
04-08-2009, 06:44 PM
"Broken Window Initiative"?





Frederic Bastiat's "Broken Window Fallacy"...

"What Is Seen and What Is Not Seen" (http://www.econlib.org/library/Bastiat/basEss1.html)

brandon
04-08-2009, 07:57 PM
Obama's "Green Job" fanatics were out in force on my campus today...

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=187859

Wish I saw this thread first, but I still did a good job "debating" one of them.

awake
04-08-2009, 08:08 PM
There are already starting to refer to the Green era as a war to save the earth and with that war we need a war economy....etc.

Knightskye
04-08-2009, 09:40 PM
Frederic Bastiat's "Broken Window Fallacy"...

"What Is Seen and What Is Not Seen" (http://www.econlib.org/library/Bastiat/basEss1.html)

I read something similar to that. It was about someone who threw a rock through a window, and the man paid $250 to a glazier to have the window repaired, instead of buying a new suit from the tailor.

Zera
04-08-2009, 10:12 PM
I still have no idea what defines a green job.

Knightskye
04-09-2009, 02:02 PM
I still have no idea what defines a green job.

Basically one dealing with renewable energy.