Another Glenn Beck Poll

[TastyWheat]

Glenn Beck has a new poll out, down to top 20 of the previous 50 solutions/suggestions. Oh, and coincidentally 4 out of Glenn's top 5 are in the lead. I don't like the FairTax, I don't like term limits, and illegal immigration is a red herring. Sounds like Newt's "Contract with America" all over again.

http://theglennbeck912project.com/2009/04/06/take-our-poll/

[acptulsa]

He calls himself a libertarian? I couldn't barely find five I wanted to vote for, and little of my own top five was in there. Like states' rights, for example...

[werdd]

End the fed?

[TastyWheat]

End the fed?
Sound money? Balanced budgets? Non-interventionism? Out of the UN? These weren't even in the original list!

[werdd]

Sound money? Balanced budgets? Non-interventionism? Out of the UN? These weren't even in the original list!

There was liberate the UN from the US :rolleyes:

kind of orwellian

[AuH20]

List isn't horrible but needs to be improved.

[Bill M DC]

Glenn Beck is trying to brand his own watered down style of Libertarianism.:mad:

[AuH20]

Was the "termination of the Fed" on the orginal top 50 list? IF you want to carve up the bloated welfare state, you take aim at the Fed. I wish this would be communicated better to the general public.

[Deborah K]

Sound money? Balanced budgets? Non-interventionism? Out of the UN? These weren't even in the original list!

Out of the UN was on the original list. Only it stated: Liberate the UN from the US - which is backwards.

This top twenty list sucks. And no, illegal immigration is NOT a red herring! That's BS!

[AuH20]

This top twenty list sucks. And no, illegal immigration is NOT a red herring! That's BS!

I agree wholeheartedly. Illegal immigation is one of the main planks of the globalist movement.

[acptulsa]

I notice there's nothing about ending government handouts to illegals, though. I think that wording would have made a difference.

[TastyWheat]

I agree wholeheartedly. Illegal immigation is one of the main planks of the globalist movement.
In that case, how is illegal immigration any different than legal immigration?

[Cowlesy]

Fair Tax is such a joke.....

[sluggo]

Send Beck a copy of the "Read the Bills" Act.

[tribute_13]

Glenn Beck is a tool, he's using a guise to confuse all of us. He's not a libertarian, never has been, never will be. He's playing mind games. He's the same puppet with a different master only now he can spew his bullshit because Fox knows its causing discord within our movements and others like it. You people need to wake up.

[AuH20]

In that case, how is illegal immigration any different than legal immigration?

Quotas and backlogs within the CIS. Its completely controlled.

[SimpleName]

Definitely needs to be a stronger list. Ending the Fed (and all other central banking systems) should be the top priority besides outright returning to the Constitution. The Fair Tax is NOT the most important thing here. Getting rid of the income tax should be the actual goal. At least Glenn got a lot of them in there.

Beck still needs to waddle over our way quite a bit.

[jrich4rpaul]

Everyone who says End the Fed is not on the list were not around for round one on this poll I guess. End the Fed and Return to the Gold Standard were both choices in the first part of this poll, and did not get enough votes to last.

That was a poll we should have taken over. The 912ers mean good but they aren't getting the whole truth, and right now have no one to give it to them.

[Nathan Hale]

He calls himself a libertarian? I couldn't barely find five I wanted to vote for, and little of my own top five was in there. Like states' rights, for example...

Unless you're an ancap radical who demands a $10 billion federal government tomorrow and will accept nothing short of that, there are plenty of libertarian options on the list:

- Let failing companies fail, no bailouts
- end the death tax and all double taxation
- drill here, drill now, drill often
- no lifetime benefits for elected officials
- rebalance education system, remove socialism
- lower corporate taxes to bring business back
- no govt healthcare
- fair tax
- welfare reform - limits to the time and amount of benefits

And of those that remain, most are procedural issues such as forcing legislators to show up in order to receive pay and forcing legislators to read bills. I don't factor stuff like this into the libertarian/authoritarian continuum because it's not to be imposed on the population at large, but rather an internal mechanism for creating a less predatory and ineffective government.

[akihabro]

Today was the second day he sounded like a war monger.

[pcosmar]

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Propaganda

Propaganda is a specific type of message presentation, aimed at serving an agenda. Even if the message conveys true information, it may be partisan and fail to paint a complete picture. The book Propaganda And Persuasion defines propaganda as "the deliberate, systematic attempt to shape perceptions, manipulate cognitions, and direct behavior to achieve a response that furthers the desired intent of the propagandist."

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6632255652046262625&ei=t6jaSbqrFI6m-QGrppHACQ&q=CFR+media&hl=en
1 hour, and worth the watch.

[dr. hfn]

Beck needs to be educated by us. Someone on this damn site needs to take the lead and start a project to send him books!!!

Fuk!

[AuH20]

Beck needs to be educated by us. Someone on this damn site needs to take the lead and start a project to send him books!!!

Fuk!

somebody get his address and start sending him stuff!:
http://gawker.com/5187225/paranoid-faux-populist-glenn-beck-walls-himself-off-from-humanity (they blacked out number part of address but it shouldn't be too hard to decipher)

[ChickenHawk]

Glenn Beck is trying to brand his own watered down style of Libertarianism.:mad:

The fact is that watered down libertarianism is the best we can ever hope for. I really doubt we will even get that much so I'll take it if I can get it.

America will never support privatizing all the streets and sidewalks. America never has and never will support a completely non-interventionist foreign policy. I'll support anyone who seriously pushes for a smaller federal government and a less interventionist foreign policy even if they want more government than I want and more intervention than I want because the chances that this country will ever even head in that direction is so small that we need all the help we can get.

[Nathan Hale]

The fact is that watered down libertarianism is the best we can ever hope for. I really doubt we will even get that much so I'll take it if I can get it.

America will never support privatizing all the streets and sidewalks. America never has and never will support a completely non-interventionist foreign policy. I'll support anyone who seriously pushes for a smaller federal government and a less interventionist foreign policy even if they want more government than I want and more intervention than I want because the chances that this country will ever even head in that direction is so small that we need all the help we can get.

Hear hear! Politics IS compromise. Our 80% friend should not be seen as our 20% enemy, or we're lost. Thank you for your post.

[NMCB3]

Glenn Beck is trying to brand his own watered down style of Libertarianism.:mad:Yea, his libertarianism is so watered down its called neo-conservatism. :)

[NMCB3]

Today was the second day he sounded like a war monger.Thats because he is a war monger.

[NMCB3]

The fact is that watered down libertarianism is the best we can ever hope for. I really doubt we will even get that much so I'll take it if I can get it.

America will never support privatizing all the streets and sidewalks. America never has and never will support a completely non-interventionist foreign policy. I'll support anyone who seriously pushes for a smaller federal government and a less interventionist foreign policy even if they want more government than I want and more intervention than I want because the chances that this country will ever even head in that direction is so small that we need all the help we can get.Well that leaves Beck out. He`s not serious about anything, he`s not here to help, he`s a tool of the establishment. If the elites cannot control a reform movement they will squelch it (sometimes they do both simultaneously) Becks mission, if he is even aware of it, he could just be a "useful idiot" (along with other government sycophants) is to control the direction of the movement, it will be controlled and then marginalized or broken up before any meaningful reforms are made. Its easy for them as there are always plenty of dupes available to play along. :)

[mellamojuana]

My "take" is that Beck has bosses in the double figures. He has to be popular for ratings; he must not offend too much, or gov't forces will surely see that he goes down the tubes; he has to be somewhat understood, or advertisers won't be interested in his time slot.

War, unfortunately, is popular. People who go to shoot other people because the gov't says they should are called "heroes." Morality is out of the question. After all, heroes need jobs too, so to receive pay to do the bidding of a POTUS is a responsible thing. They must feed their families; they must meet quotas for recruiting people to kill people; they must rid our pure, little world of people who are different, or who fight back when their soil is invaded.

I feel sick just to have written the aforesaid.

Could someone explain how on earth a Congressperson can be compelled to read an entire bill/scamulus pkg, etc.? Who is going to look over her/his shoulder to be sure the reading is done? Who will prevent lying when a representative or senator signs his/her name, asserting that a plethora of words, words, words were read? I can hardly believe that such an unenforceable suggestion was on a list of Top 50/Top 20 desires of the American people.

Even now, relatively small numbers of people have as much as a clue about the Federal Reserve Bank and its role in the coming Greater Depression, etc. I have had to learn from kindergarten level, and am far from being an expert; but I'm light years ahead of almost everyone I come in contact with--except thru the net. "End the Fed" is a basically meaningless imperative to most of the country, I'd say.

I'm certainly interested in being able to get in touch with G. Beck, & will check back for address, etc. I'm extremely limited in research, dialup, etc. time. Thanks.

Fully agree that God-given rights ought not to be usurped by gov'ts.