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max
04-06-2009, 08:20 AM
None of our business if North Korea want to launch satellites.

Sanford will turn out to be just another neo-con who will try to sound like Ron paul

http://www.prisonplanet.com/gingrich-attack-north-korea-with-electromagnetic-pulse.html

IPSecure
04-06-2009, 08:30 AM
So, we have electromagnetic weapons?

MRoCkEd
04-06-2009, 08:38 AM
He just lost a lot of points in my book...

Mitt Romneys sideburns
04-06-2009, 09:35 AM
hold on, what kind of electromagnetic weapons do we have?

SWATH
04-06-2009, 09:51 AM
hold on, what kind of electromagnetic weapons do we have?

This kind:
http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/4433/vandegraffkimjongil.jpg

tonesforjonesbones
04-06-2009, 10:16 AM
well sanford went to the bilderberg meeting...eh..the GOP has no one really because the NWO people wont' allow that to happen. I think building up the LP is the best..but, if the LP gains much ground , the NWO will infiltrate and compromise it if they haven't already because I don't trust the Cato crowd either. tones

silverhawks
04-06-2009, 10:34 AM
Wow. Talk about "Libertarian In Name Only".

So you advocate fiscal responsibility, but pre-emptively attacking a nation with an EMP pulse is ok?


hold on, what kind of electromagnetic weapons do we have?

A high-altitude nuclear detonation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_altitude_nuclear_explosion)...effectively, it would put North Korea into the stone age as every non-shielded electrical device shuts down or circuits fuse; though I wouldn't be surprised if the same happened to South Korea at the same time... Also see Program 437 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Program_437).

And Newt, your neo-con is definitely showing:


“One morning, just like 9/11, there’s gonna be a disaster,” the former Georgia congressman said. “And people are going to look around and say ‘Gosh, why didn’t anyone think of that?’ Well I’m telling you, the time to think about it is before the disaster, and not after.”

Let me summarise that:


Fear, Fear, Terrorism, 9/11, Fear.

Also, what this little stunt is saying to me is that we should expect a new LINO third party to materialise soon, with Gingrich and Sanford as the 2012 presidential ticket. (http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2009/04/03/gingrich-says-disillusioned-conservatives-could-form-third-party/) Thank you, Fox News and Glenn Beck, for starting to push people towards this... It's so bloody obvious, since it falls right into line with Beck's "real libertarians believe in pre-emptive war!" routine. And it would also fall into line with Gingrich's grandstanding against continuation of Bush policies - while he obviously is still pushing the Bush Doctrine.

youngbuck
04-06-2009, 10:35 AM
well sanford went to the bilderberg meeting...eh..the GOP has no one really because the NWO people wont' allow that to happen. I think building up the LP is the best..but, if the LP gains much ground , the NWO will infiltrate and compromise it if they haven't already because I don't trust the Cato crowd either. tones

Good calls.

LibertyEagle
04-06-2009, 10:36 AM
well sanford went to the bilderberg meeting...eh..the GOP has no one really because the NWO people wont' allow that to happen. I think building up the LP is the best..but, if the LP gains much ground , the NWO will infiltrate and compromise it if they haven't already because I don't trust the Cato crowd either. tones

Which is one of the reasons we have to do this from the local level on up. The way I look at it, when and if our federal government falls or sells our country to world government, it will only be a good thing to have infiltrated and sown the seeds of liberty at the local and state levels. But, that's just my opinion.

Cowlesy
04-06-2009, 10:42 AM
Absolutely assinine thing for Sanford to say if he did (I am not clicking on a PP link from work).

Just from a purely tactical standpoint, aren't there compare/contrasts of North korea/South Korea at night --- and North Korea is almost completely dark because they hardly have electricity to begin with?

I fail to understand the world's fascination with that stupid country.

FindLiberty
04-06-2009, 10:43 AM
well sanford went to the bilderberg meeting...eh..the GOP has no one really because the NWO people wont' allow that to happen. I think building up the LP is the best..but, if the LP gains much ground , the NWO will infiltrate and compromise it if they haven't already because I don't trust the Cato crowd either. tones

+1 ...Liberty Forest too

George Washington warned us about standing armies possessing these types of electro-mag weapons.

Don't forget that Ben Franklin is mostly to blame for this latest fracas. It originated with his early, risky "key and a kite" weapons development experiments.

A. Havnes
04-06-2009, 10:45 AM
No, Mark Sanford! Crap, I thought he was on our side!

Howard_Roark
04-06-2009, 10:51 AM
I don't understand the hype around Sanford. He doesn't seem like the most charismatic person, he comes off as very dry in interviews.

silverhawks
04-06-2009, 10:55 AM
Which is one of the reasons we have to do this from the local level on up. The way I look at it, when and if our federal government falls or sells our country to world government, it will only be a good thing to have infiltrated and sown the seeds of liberty at the local and state levels. But, that's just my opinion.

I'm right with you, but I have the horrible feeling that no-one is doing anything; everyone is waiting for everyone else to go first.

FindLiberty
04-06-2009, 11:01 AM
...we have to do this from the local level on up. The way I look at it, when and if our federal government falls or sells our country to world government, it will only be a good thing to have infiltrated and sown the seeds of liberty at the local and state levels...


...North Korea is almost completely dark because they hardly have electricity to begin with?

I fail to understand the world's fascination with that stupid country.

Excellent points +1776

tonesforjonesbones
04-06-2009, 11:05 AM
well sanford says some very good things...but it seems to be lip service. that's what the neo cons do these days...give the liberty philosophy lip service and their actions speak differently.

I agree..all politics is local. Our GOP is pretty good locally..they never rejected the RP folk...the RP folks just quit. smh. I think there are 2 left in there who have positions within the ranks. Our LP locally is growing and my county has never had a LP before. I wanted to help them so we can hit from both sides. We now have 4 libertarians committed to run for office, 2 for county commissioner and 2 for school board. This is great because there has never been any libertarians on the ballots here before. Tones

max
04-06-2009, 11:19 AM
I fail to understand the world's fascination with that stupid country.

North Korea exports technology to Syria and Iran and the zionists have a bug up their ass about that.

TastyWheat
04-06-2009, 03:14 PM
North Korea exports technology to Syria and Iran and the zionists have a bug up their ass about that.
That's good to know that Iran and Syria's weapons will land in the ocean too.

torchbearer
04-06-2009, 03:17 PM
That's good to know that Iran and Syria's weapons will land in the ocean too.

thread winner. :D

weslinder
04-06-2009, 03:21 PM
Just from a purely tactical standpoint, aren't there compare/contrasts of North korea/South Korea at night --- and North Korea is almost completely dark because they hardly have electricity to begin with?

Almost as dark as Siberia.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/dprk/images/dprk-dmsp-dark.jpg

dgr
04-06-2009, 03:42 PM
Sanford and Newt had both be more concerned about China's ability to hack into pentagon computers and to use EMP weapons of low grade force that just disrupts transmission and reception. The new digital age makes that more possible. A land line phone like the old rotary phones would still work without electricty. Now powers out everything is out. Cell phones, thats what a dropped call or out of range is, no ability to communicate. and that new digital tv broadcast signal get read for "low signal Strength" no picture or sound
and Sanford is a priviate public partnership public pays -priviate profits), RHINO, neo con, globalizationist

Brooklyn Red Leg
04-06-2009, 03:45 PM
I say let South Korea and Japan deal with Kim Jong Squeal. If he's dumb enough to provoke a nuclear response from them, sucks to be him. Either that or authorize Letters of Marque and Reprisal and have his ass blown to kingdom come by a Blackwater merc so that the poor North Koreans don't have to suffer. This pre-emptive shit has to stop. Fucker threatened us, lets respond in kind the way the Constitution says (I favour the Letters myself).

Mandrik
04-06-2009, 04:08 PM
Here is the YT:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_JWBfh2ciE&feature=channel_page

Lovecraftian4Paul
04-06-2009, 04:42 PM
Sanford is an idiot. North Korea is already almost in the stone age. There's no need to preemptively shoot them with an EMP pulse. Their Stalinist regime can't even successfully get a satellite into orbit--something the real Soviet Union was able to do in the late 1950s--and we're worried why? I think one answer to is endorse Japan and South Korea developing nuclear weapons or better rockets, if they so choose. We don't need to give them any assistance--these are both technically advanced countries that could probably do it in a year's time if we backed off and they acquired the public will to follow through with it. Getting these countries equipped with their own superweapons would also make eliminating our own presence in Asia more appealing to the masses here.

Why defend countries perfectly capable of defending themselves with troops, fleets, and military bases? This is already a rock solid argument regards to Europe. A little more responsibility on the part of our "allies" in Asia would make it equally palatable there too.

misterx
04-06-2009, 04:57 PM
Sigh. Why can't we just let the Koreans be. Everyone shouldn't have to conform to our vision of how society should be. Let them do their thing and we can do ours. If we are right, we can prove it by enduring longer than them. Somehow I doubt we will outlast them the way things are going.

JoshLowry
04-06-2009, 05:00 PM
None of our business if North Korea want to launch satellites.

Sanford will turn out to be just another neo-con who will try to sound like Ron paul

http://www.prisonplanet.com/gingrich-attack-north-korea-with-electromagnetic-pulse.html


Good post Max. Thanks for pointing it out!

RP would never even suggest something so ludicrous.





well sanford went to the bilderberg meeting...eh..the GOP has no one really because the NWO people wont' allow that to happen. I think building up the LP is the best..but, if the LP gains much ground , the NWO will infiltrate and compromise it if they haven't already because I don't trust the Cato crowd either. tones

+1 ...Liberty Forest too

Kindly leave instead of taking cheap shots at the forum that you post on.

silverhawks
04-06-2009, 05:33 PM
Here is the YT:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_JWBfh2ciE&feature=channel_page

What would President Gingrich do?

Mark my words - this is laying the groundwork for Gingrich and Sanford to run as a third party "neo-libertarian" ticket in 2012, and Glenn Beck is instrumental in the process of creating a base for this new group.

JoshLowry
04-06-2009, 05:38 PM
What would President Gingrich do?

Mark my words - this is laying the groundwork for Gingrich and Sanford to run as a third party "neo-libertarian" ticket in 2012, and Glenn Beck is instrumental in the process of creating a base for this new group.

Haven't thought of that, good assessment however.

Beck was bitching the other day about not having to be 100% in agreement with libertarians in order to be libertarian.

RSLudlum
04-06-2009, 05:49 PM
:mad: WTF happened to Sanford's claim that he was against pre-emption? He just lost any support he had from me.

GunnyFreedom
04-06-2009, 05:56 PM
He just lost a lot of points in my book...

"a lot"? try all :mad:

WTF has NK done to us that we should attack them?

NK is the last place on earth that any rational person would want to go to war. I KNOW! When I was active in the Marines, I was an Intelligence Analyst with a specific focus on North Korea.

Anybody proposing actually attacking them first while having certainly been read in as Gov Sanford MUST have been...quite aside from the Constitutional and politico-philosophic questions...IS FRIGGIN INSANE!!

GunnyFreedom
04-06-2009, 05:59 PM
Which is one of the reasons we have to do this from the local level on up. The way I look at it, when and if our federal government falls or sells our country to world government, it will only be a good thing to have infiltrated and sown the seeds of liberty at the local and state levels. But, that's just my opinion.

S T A T E

S O V E R E l G N T Y


ETA - There is a very real reason I have been pushing this so hard lately....

american.swan
04-06-2009, 06:29 PM
Which is one of the reasons we have to do this from the local level on up. The way I look at it, when and if our federal government falls or sells our country to world government, it will only be a good thing to have infiltrated and sown the seeds of liberty at the local and state levels. But, that's just my opinion.

RIGHT ON!!!! No party created by the elites will EVER BE CORRECT.

MCockerill08
04-06-2009, 06:41 PM
Haven't thought of that, good assessment however.

Beck was bitching the other day about not having to be 100% in agreement with libertarians in order to be libertarian.

You can welch a bit and still be libertarian. But "a bit" doesn't mean you can support the state and its military committing wars of aggression. Sanford is dead to me as of now.

Newt is really into this whole "lose a city thing" as his latest justification for the bombing of countries (as well as the inevitable mass death of innocent human beings) that would follow) that have not attacked us. I volunteered at CPAC with CFL and his speech made me want to stick my head in a bag and make rude, violent noises.

Bman
04-06-2009, 06:44 PM
So, we have electromagnetic weapons?

YUP!

http://www.wiiwii.tv/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/nuclear-bomb-badger.jpg

OptionsTrader
04-06-2009, 07:17 PM
Bah, I never delved deep into Sanford but I assumed he agreed with me on most things based upon a small sample of what I have seen him say in the news.

Fucking hell.

Why does nearly everyone with a fucking voice that can be heard and listened too with credibility by the fucking sheep-people seem bought off or bent on socialism or both besides Ron Paul............wait, don't answer that.

When asked what the number one problem in America was in one of the first primary debates, Ron Pau said "The fact that we now condone pre-emptive undeclared war."

I hate my damn government.

But, I love my damn country.

Fucking hell..........

GunnyFreedom
04-06-2009, 10:20 PM
Anybody who advocates for a preemptive NUCLEAR strike on ANYBODY does not deserve to hold ANY office of public trust. Not even dog-catcher. :mad:

RonPaulR3VOLUTION
04-06-2009, 11:20 PM
E-Bombs And Terrorists: September 2001 Cover Story

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1281421.html

In the blink of an eye, electromagnetic bombs could throw civilization back 200 years. And terrorists can build them for $400.

The next Pearl Harbor will not announce itself with a searing flash of nuclear light or with the plaintive wails of those dying of Ebola or its genetically engineered twin. You will hear a sharp crack in the distance. By the time you mistakenly identify this sound as an innocent clap of thunder, the civilized world will have become unhinged. Fluorescent lights and television sets will glow eerily bright, despite being turned off. The aroma of ozone mixed with smoldering plastic will seep from outlet covers as electric wires arc and telephone lines melt. Your Palm Pilot and MP3 player will feel warm to the touch, their batteries overloaded. Your computer, and every bit of data on it, will be toast. And then you will notice that the world sounds different too. The background music of civilization, the whirl of internal-combustion engines, will have stopped. Save a few diesels, engines will never start again. You, however, will remain unharmed, as you find yourself thrust backward 200 years, to a time when electricity meant a lightning bolt fracturing the night sky. This is not a hypothetical, son-of-Y2K scenario. It is a realistic assessment of the damage the Pentagon believes could be inflicted by a new generation of weapons--E-bombs.

The first major test of an American electromagnetic bomb is scheduled for next year. Ultimately, the Army hopes to use E-bomb technology to explode artillery shells in midflight. The Navy wants to use the E-bomb's high-power microwave pulses to neutralize antiship missiles. And, the Air Force plans to equip its bombers, strike fighters, cruise missiles and unmanned aerial vehicles with E-bomb capabilities. When fielded, these will be among the most technologically sophisticated weapons the U.S. military establishment has ever built.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1281421.html

cindy25
04-07-2009, 04:10 AM
how would an electromagnet hurt North Korea? they have no computers or cars.

this is almost as dumb as some guy on c-span that wanted to ban Kia and Samsung products

Kludge
04-07-2009, 04:16 AM
Uh, wait.

So what are our 2012 options, again?

:(

scattass
04-07-2009, 06:06 AM
Electromagnetic pulse weapons can only damage unprotected integrated circuitry without Faraday cages. It seems the North Koreans aren't well versed in rocketry but I'm sure they know how to protect their electronic boards somehow though.

silverhawks
04-07-2009, 06:26 AM
You can welch a bit and still be libertarian. But "a bit" doesn't mean you can support the state and its military committing wars of aggression. Sanford is dead to me as of now.

A bit? (http://www.ontheissues.org/Mark_Sanford.htm)

# No civil unions; define one-man-one-woman marriage. (Nov 2002)
# Affirmative action in state contracts, but not colleges. (Nov 2002)
# Voted YES on banning gay adoptions in DC. (Jul 1999)
# Voted NO on ending preferential treatment by race in college admissions. (May 1998)
# Voted NO on maintaining right of habeas corpus in Death Penalty Appeals. (Mar 1996)
# Voted YES on making federal death penalty appeals harder. (Feb 1995)
# More prisons, more enforcement, effective death penalty. (Sep 1994)
# Voted YES on prohibiting needle exchange & medical marijuana in DC. (Oct 1999)
# Use tax code to reinforce families. (Sep 1994)
# Voted NO on withdrawing from the WTO. (Jun 2000)
# Voted YES on $266 billion Defense Appropriations bill. (Jul 1999)
# Voted YES on deploying SDI. (Mar 1999)
# Voted NO on decreasing gun waiting period from 3 days to 1. (Jun 1999)
# Endorses teacher-led prayer & displaying Ten Commandments. (Nov 2002)

LINO, anyone?


Newt is really into this whole "lose a city thing" as his latest justification for the bombing of countries (as well as the inevitable mass death of innocent human beings) that would follow) that have not attacked us.

Well of course he is. He's just lining up to grab neo-con votes. Betting there's a few neo-cons out there that want NK "dealt with" just because Bush didn't get around to it, and Obama is too busy destroying this country to bother with many others.

tangent4ronpaul
04-07-2009, 06:31 AM
So, we have electromagnetic weapons?

YEP!

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/1996/apjemp.htm

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/1996/coaxfcg.gif

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/1996/vircator.gif

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/1996/empbomb.gif

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/1996/helixvco.gif

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/1996/hpmbomb.gif

-t

tangent4ronpaul
04-07-2009, 06:41 AM
Electromagnetic pulse weapons can only damage unprotected integrated circuitry without Faraday cages. It seems the North Koreans aren't well versed in rocketry but I'm sure they know how to protect their electronic boards somehow though.

The ElectroMagnetic Pulse (EMP) effect [1] was first observed during the early testing of high altitude airburst nuclear weapons [GLASSTONE64]. The effect is characterised by the production of a very short (hundreds of nanoseconds) but intense electromagnetic pulse, which propagates away from its source with ever diminishing intensity, governed by the theory of electromagnetism. The ElectroMagnetic Pulse is in effect an electromagnetic shock wave.

This pulse of energy produces a powerful electromagnetic field, particularly within the vicinity of the weapon burst. The field can be sufficiently strong to produce short lived transient voltages of thousands of Volts (ie kiloVolts) on exposed electrical conductors, such as wires, or conductive tracks on printed circuit boards, where exposed.

It is this aspect of the EMP effect which is of military significance, as it can result in irreversible damage to a wide range of electrical and electronic equipment, particularly computers and radio or radar receivers. Subject to the electromagnetic hardness of the electronics, a measure of the equipment's resilience to this effect, and the intensity of the field produced by the weapon, the equipment can be irreversibly damaged or in effect electrically destroyed. The damage inflicted is not unlike that experienced through exposure to close proximity lightning strikes, and may require complete replacement of the equipment, or at least substantial portions thereof.

Commercial computer equipment is particularly vulnerable to EMP effects, as it is largely built up of high density Metal Oxide Semiconductor (MOS) devices, which are very sensitive to exposure to high voltage transients. What is significant about MOS devices is that very little energy is required to permanently wound or destroy them, any voltage in typically in excess of tens of Volts can produce an effect termed gate breakdown which effectively destroys the device. Even if the pulse is not powerful enough to produce thermal damage, the power supply in the equipment will readily supply enough energy to complete the destructive process. Wounded devices may still function, but their reliability will be seriously impaired. Shielding electronics by equipment chassis provides only limited protection, as any cables running in and out of the equipment will behave very much like antennae, in effect guiding the high voltage transients into the equipment.

Computers used in data processing systems, communications systems, displays, industrial control applications, including road and rail signalling, and those embedded in military equipment, such as signal processors, electronic flight controls and digital engine control systems, are all potentially vulnerable to the EMP effect.

Other electronic devices and electrical equipment may also be destroyed by the EMP effect. Telecommunications equipment can be highly vulnerable, due to the presence of lengthy copper cables between devices. Receivers of all varieties are particularly sensitive to EMP, as the highly sensitive miniature high frequency transistors and diodes in such equipment are easily destroyed by exposure to high voltage electrical transients. Therefore radar and electronic warfare equipment, satellite, microwave, UHF, VHF, HF and low band communications equipment and television equipment are all potentially vulnerable to the EMP effect.

It is significant that modern military platforms are densely packed with electronic equipment, and unless these platforms are well hardened, an EMP device can substantially reduce their function or render them unusable.

-t

ps: our subs use tubes instead of more modern electronic components for some things because of this.