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Nate K
04-02-2009, 09:07 AM
http://www.newscorpse.com/ncWP/?p=1229

I think we can agree the author is an ignoramus.. but saw it on another site.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/24/fox-news-ratings-crazy-hi_n_178615.html

That's the real story however!


"I have become more and more libertarian every day -- more and more against both of these parties. As every day goes by I have just become much more like the Founding Fathers. I just wanted to be in a place that understood that, and I think Roger does. I know Roger does."

Rival or ally?

My opinion.. no need to get sucked in by them, we can steer Fox if we work intelligently and realistically. Set ourselves in a position that if we're betrayed it won't even matter.

acptulsa
04-02-2009, 09:12 AM
Let me rephrase your question: Is this guy

http://www.nataliesaid.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/rupert-murdoch1.jpg

a friend of yours?

heavenlyboy34
04-02-2009, 09:13 AM
nemesis.

Nate K
04-02-2009, 09:17 AM
I think we should test them by getting certain personalities to say certain things that TPTB wouldn't want said on air. Like the Federal Reserve, Obama's birth certificate..

fedup100
04-02-2009, 09:35 AM
There is no test. They are lying cheaters and haters of Liberty. They have hijacked this movement and they are now in the planning stages of changing it to fit their needs.

Rangeley
04-02-2009, 09:50 AM
Its a little condescending to say that we can be hijacked. If "TPTB" are using libertarian, small government arguments against both parties - and even pushing for a sort of re-analysis of the so called political spectrum we have today, they are setting into motion things they couldn't control even if they wanted.

fedup100
04-02-2009, 09:52 AM
Its a little condescending to say that we can be hijacked.

It's a little naive to not be able to see it happening in real time and in living color.

Nate K
04-02-2009, 09:53 AM
There is no test. They are lying cheaters and haters of Liberty. They have hijacked this movement and they are now in the planning stages of changing it to fit their needs.

So what about Freedom Watch, Cavuto, and Beck?

Rangeley
04-02-2009, 09:55 AM
It's a little naive to not be able to see it happening in real time and in living color.
I agree it would be, if it were. But the problem here is it isn't. I haven't been hijacked, have you? And as I said in an edit of my post, even if some secret cabal is giving exposure to anti-authoritarian ideas, these ideas can't possibly be controlled by their very nature... and they would be doing nothing more than planting the seeds of their own downfall.

Slist
04-02-2009, 09:58 AM
Well, if we are cynical enough, we can see FOX as both ally and rival.
Right now it is an ally spreading some liberal ideas and opposing obama's financial policies... but as soon as presidential elections get nearer or there is a neocon president they will again be a rival.

In my opinion it is not important wether they are rivals or allies, we should "use" their platform to get out our ideas as often as we can.

Conza88
04-02-2009, 10:07 AM
So what about Freedom Watch, Cavuto, and Beck?

First one isn't on tv. Napolitano just passes the test. He got tripped up with Beck the other week.

Cavuto, no. Beck, no.

constituent
04-02-2009, 10:10 AM
And as I said in an edit of my post, even if some secret cabal is giving exposure to anti-authoritarian ideas, these ideas can't possibly be controlled by their very nature...

http://media.ft.com/cms/81283f9c-1481-11de-8cd1-0000779fd2ac.jpg

Tell that to the french.

Nate K
04-02-2009, 10:10 AM
So noone has been effected by what Cavuto and Beck have said? No influence whatsoever?

A. Havnes
04-02-2009, 10:14 AM
They're neither. I don't think that they are specifically out to get us, but I'd hardly say that they're our allies, either. So long as they are spewing liberty messages, let them be.

Rangeley
04-02-2009, 10:14 AM
I don't think people are realizing the value of having other people agree with certain aspects of our message. When Ron Paul was in the debates, he was the lone guy talking about the fed, the lone guy talking about printing money out of thin air, the lone guy talking about the gold standard, the lone guy talking about just about everything he talked about. And even beyond that, it was different from what just about every "conservative commentator" was saying. When everything he was saying was something different, it doesn't help anything.

Now we have other politicians agreeing with him openly on certain areas (international currency, auditing the fed) and people like Beck talking about the gold standard, talking about debt, and talking about liberty. Even though they don't have it all right, the fact there are much larger areas agreement make our job so much easier.

Things arent black and white - we should view it as a good thing to see aspects of what Ron Paul was saying become adopted by others, even as other aspects aren't. And in the now smaller areas where theres still disagreement, well, thats where we focus our effort. Its better to be able to play a position, then having to play the whole field.

Nate K
04-02-2009, 10:16 AM
I don't think people are realizing the value of having other people agree with certain aspects of our message. When Ron Paul was in the debates, he was the lone guy talking about the fed, the lone guy talking about printing money out of thin air, the lone guy talking about the gold standard, the lone guy talking about just about everything he talked about. And even beyond that, it was different from what just about every "conservative commentator" was saying. When everything he was saying was something different, it doesn't help anything.

Now we have other politicians agreeing with him openly on certain areas (international currency, auditing the fed) and people like Beck talking about the gold standard, talking about debt, and talking about liberty. Even though they don't have it all right, the fact there are much larger areas agreement make our job so much easier.

Things arent black and white - we should view it as a good thing to see aspects of what Ron Paul was saying become adopted by others, even as other aspects aren't. And in the now smaller areas where theres still disagreement, well, thats where we focus our effort. Its better to be able to play a position, then having to play the whole field.

Thank god there's someone else in this forum that doesn't see things in black and white all the time.

Xenophage
04-02-2009, 10:24 AM
Rangeley has been 100% right in each of his posts here. I've never felt this sense of "being hijacked." In fact, I've always thought, "YES! I hope they try to hijack us!"

Only someone who was weakly informed of the libertarian philosophy could think it was possible to hijack it. Nobody is hijacking ME. I know where I stand. Is someone hijacking YOU? Is Fox News going to agree with you for a while, then BAM! turn you into a Socialist? Or, are you going to turn Fox News a little more libertarian than it used to be?

If Fox News is going to espouse our ideology, then it will only benefit both us AND Fox News. It benefits Fox News because they are exposed to powerful arguments for liberty, and a powerful philosophy. It benefits us because our ideas are disseminated nationally and it makes it nigh impossible for any news network to ignore or denigrate us.

What's that old quote?

First they ignore you, next they mock you, finally they agree with you?

sluggo
04-02-2009, 10:25 AM
Fox is trying to co-opt the Freedom movement, or whatever you call it.

Keep them on a short leash.

Conza88
04-02-2009, 10:35 AM
So noone has been effected by what Cavuto and Beck have said? No influence whatsoever?

Not if they are still watching Tv. No. Their still plugged into the matrix.

Nate K
04-02-2009, 10:39 AM
Not if they are still watching Tv. No. Their still plugged into the matrix.

You know you're pretty wise in ideology but you could surely improve in realism.

Conza88
04-02-2009, 10:42 AM
You know you're pretty wise in ideology but you could surely improve in realism.

What you will now see from the Media (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=177088)

Is that real enough for you? :rolleyes:

The premise of this whole thread has been addressed countless times, about a month ago.



Ummm, yeaaah this is exactly what I've said. Point people to it, but also acknowledge it for the message, and SHOW THEM OTHER MATERIAL: show them it is being discussed on the mainstream news, then point them to LEWROCKWELL.COM and MISES.ORG - use the mainstream media, to help give credibility.

But if we start going, WATCH fox News, watch Glen Beck - all that happens is, they eventually change their tune. AS THEY WILL. Then all the work goes wasted, the drones you were telling to watch Glen Beck, are now going to get confused when you say - "Don't watch Glen Beck, we really aren't terrorists!"

Bern
04-02-2009, 10:45 AM
Not everything is black and white.

Join The Paul Side
04-02-2009, 10:56 AM
FOX: Past nemesis, temporary ally.

As Ron Paul would say, talk with them, trade with them.

But keep your heart in your pocket.

StilesBC
04-02-2009, 11:01 AM
Why don't WE hijack THEM?

Or perhaps that has already happened? Media outlets around the world are falling over. In order to save themselves perhaps they HAD to give in. And who cares if they betray us months or years from now. They're doing the dirty work of waking up the sheep. Once they're awake they will figure out the rest on their own. Any bait and switch tactic would be blatantly obvious to those that have awoken - just like it would be obvious to us.

Use them. Watch them. Link their videos when they do something good. Force them to see how profitable it is to promote liberty. Make them addicted to liberty. Positive reinforcement. To the point they fear having to give it up.

And if they do...pull the plug.

Nate K
04-02-2009, 11:02 AM
What it all boils down to with Fox and some conservatives is the war.. this issue is disproportionally responsible for their labeling "fascist".

So they're wrong on one major issue, foreign policy. Big f#ckin deal. Most all of us had it on wrong on foreign policy one time or another too. Does everyone have to be 100% libertarian to get some change around here or can we for once come down from the clouds to reality and work with people in ways that are not so black and white?

And no I'm not a government agent.

Nate K
04-02-2009, 11:04 AM
Also if anyone listens to Glenn Beck he reminds his listeners to read our founding documents for themselves and understand what it all really means before they spread it.. this isn't about THEM just like it wasn't about Ron, don't you guys get it?!

AdamT
04-02-2009, 11:11 AM
Faux News is all about ratings and advertiser dollars. They could really give a crap about the country or what government we have in power as long as it's fascist and they can serve as it's mouthpiece. During the election they pulled every trick to demonize RP and make him look like a fool. I will never forget that. Now that the Dems are in control, they have lost all legitimacy. So no wonder they are "libertarian" all of a sudden. They are pandering to their viewer base (what's left of them) and pretending to care about all these bad things Obomber is doing. They want people to tune in thinking they represent conservatives and are fighting the bad Obama. LOL.

If RP does run in 2012 they will show their true colors once again by making him look like a fool as opposed to some hack like Romney or another neocon criminal - just wait.

Nate K
04-02-2009, 11:16 AM
Faux News is all about ratings and advertiser dollars. They could really give a crap about the country or what government we have in power as long as it's fascist and they can serve as it's mouthpiece. During the election they pulled every trick to demonize RP and make him look like a fool. I will never forget that. Now that the Dems are in control, they have lost all legitimacy. So no wonder they are "libertarian" all of a sudden. They are pandering to their viewer base (what's left of them) and pretending to care about all these bad things Obomber is doing. They want people to tune in thinking they represent conservatives and are fighting the bad Obama. LOL.

If RP does run in 2012 they will show their true colors once again by making him look like a fool as opposed to some hack like Romney or another neocon criminal - just wait.

Too wrapped up in the messenger, what happened to the message?

dr. hfn
04-02-2009, 12:12 PM
nemesis, they will try to destroy our movement by hijacking it!

donnay
04-02-2009, 12:32 PM
nemesis, they will try to destroy our movement by hijacking it!

+1776

Bern wrote:
Not everything is black and white.


That's right---it's in living color now!:p

Zera
04-02-2009, 02:26 PM
Nemesis, duh. The only person on there I trust is the Judge, because he isn't a lunatic, hateful man.